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Started by MisterSG1, January 23, 2018, 09:32:04 PM

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MNHighwayMan

Quote from: english si on January 25, 2018, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 07:22:28 AMIt's called "culture" for everyone else who does something "different", but if you're an American, it's "foolish behavior".
Where did I say that?

Sure, I said month-day-year is illogical, but this was talking about month-day vs day-month where both are equally logical, but there's ambiguity as to which different system is being used.

I really don't get why you are being so huffy about this.

Some people just don't understand dry humor.


formulanone

#51
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 25, 2018, 07:43:51 AM
Quote from: english si on January 25, 2018, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 07:22:28 AMIt's called "culture" for everyone else who does something "different", but if you're an American, it's "foolish behavior".
Where did I say that?

Sure, I said month-day-year is illogical, but this was talking about month-day vs day-month where both are equally logical, but there's ambiguity as to which different system is being used.

I really don't get why you are being so huffy about this.

Some people just don't understand dry humor.

Nonsense. I even wrote "programme" out of the cultural sensitivities of my audience. :)

I think due to confusion it could cause, the numerical date format won't easily change in America. There's not even a consensus on how to pronounce February.


Takumi

Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 07:22:28 AM
It's called "culture" for everyone else who does something "different", but if you're an American, it's "foolish behaviour" .
Fixed ;) But +1.
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As long as we are talking about dates of terrorist attacks, I'd comment that "11-M" (the usual Spanish contraction for "11 de marzo de 2004") is nicely unambiguous.  Searches on "7-J" and "11-S" (using browser plugin) also go directly to the appropriate articles in Spanish Wikipedia.
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kphoger

Quote from: english si on January 24, 2018, 01:47:49 PM
Indeed, what weirdos say "January the twenty-third" rather than "the twenty-third of January"? Is it like Richard the third, where it's the third Richard?  :-D

Verbalizing the "and" between month and date, to us, sounds like verbalizing the "and" between hundreds and tens when saying a number.  You probably say 320 as "three hundred and twenty," whereas a good many Americans say it as "three hundred twenty," and sticking the "and" in there sounds a little weird.

"January the twenty-third" is only like Richard the Third (being the third Richard) insofar as "Third February" is like him as well.
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1995hoo

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Quote from: kphoger on January 25, 2018, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: english si on January 24, 2018, 01:47:49 PM
Indeed, what weirdos say "January the twenty-third" rather than "the twenty-third of January"? Is it like Richard the third, where it's the third Richard?  :-D

Verbalizing the "and" between month and date, to us, sounds like verbalizing the "and" between hundreds and tens when saying a number.  You probably say 320 as "three hundred and twenty," whereas a good many Americans say it as "three hundred twenty," and sticking the "and" in there sounds a little weird.

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I think you mean "verbalizing the 'the' between month and date," don't you?

Regarding "and" between hundreds and tens, this thread is making me vaguely recall a grammar-school teacher who was adamant that we not use the "and" because she insisted the "and" is correct only when referring to a decimal point or, more likely, a fraction, such as if you wanted one and a half pounds of fish or whatever. Her position never made any sense to me, but I certainly wasn't going to suffer a lower grade over something stupid like that, and the habit has just stuck with me for all these years. It sounds weird to me when my wife's Garmin says to "take Exit One Hundred and Seventy-Three on the right." I would say it as "Exit One Seventy-Three." If I were writing a check for $173, I would write "One Hundred Seventy-Three" (and whatever cents, of course, usually "and no cents" because most checks I write are to move money between our own bank accounts).

Edited to add: The thing that teacher was right about is that if a number is a decimal, you state each digit after the decimal point individually: 173.35 is "one hundred seventy-three point three five," not "one hundred seventy-three point thirty-five." But this made her idea that "one hundred and seventy-three" allegedly means 100.73 all the more illogical: If you have to state each digit after the decimal separately, then it makes no sense whatsoever to interpret the "and seventy-three" as referring to a ".73," does it?
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The Fourth Henry, The Part of the First... :D
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Eth

Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2018, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 25, 2018, 01:48:09 PM

Verbalizing the "and" between month and date, to us, sounds like verbalizing the "and" between hundreds and tens when saying a number.  You probably say 320 as "three hundred and twenty," whereas a good many Americans say it as "three hundred twenty," and sticking the "and" in there sounds a little weird.

....

I think you mean "verbalizing the 'the' between month and date," don't you?

Regarding "and" between hundreds and tens, this thread is making me vaguely recall a grammar-school teacher who was adamant that we not use the "and" because she insisted the "and" is correct only when referring to a decimal point or, more likely, a fraction, such as if you wanted one and a half pounds of fish or whatever. Her position never made any sense to me, but I certainly wasn't going to suffer a lower grade over something stupid like that, and the habit has just stuck with me for all these years. It sounds weird to me when my wife's Garmin says to "take Exit One Hundred and Seventy-Three on the right." I would say it as "Exit One Seventy-Three." If I were writing a check for $173, I would write "One Hundred Seventy-Three" (and whatever cents, of course, usually "and no cents" because most checks I write are to move money between our own bank accounts).

Edited to add: The thing that teacher was right about is that if a number is a decimal, you state each digit after the decimal point individually: 173.35 is "one hundred seventy-three point three five," not "one hundred seventy-three point thirty-five." But this made her idea that "one hundred and seventy-three" allegedly means 100.73 all the more illogical: If you have to state each digit after the decimal separately, then it makes no sense whatsoever to interpret the "and seventy-three" as referring to a ".73," does it?

I'd say it's a difference in usage between number as identifier ("take exit one-seventy-three...") and number as quantity ("...and drive for two hundred and twenty-nine miles").

For numbers as quantities, I generally omit the "and" in written form, but use it when speaking. Dropping the "and" in speech sounds overly formal to me.

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Quote from: SSOWorld on January 25, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
With a pen or a pencil, otherwise with a keyboard.


There, It has been said.

You forgot to add crayon and magic marker, too.  :bigass:
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Quote from: slorydn1 on January 25, 2018, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 25, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
With a pen or a pencil, otherwise with a keyboard.


There, It has been said.

You forgot to add crayon and magic marker, too.  :bigass:

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Beltway

#61
I use MM-DD-CCYY.

Note the dashes (not slashes) for better readability, and the full year to avoid any confusion with the years 01 thru 31.

Today is 01-26-2018 or 1-26-2018. 

Leading zero can be suppressed, while they are stored in computer data files, usually they would be suppressed on a generated report.


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Quote from: DaBigE on January 25, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 25, 2018, 08:20:03 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 25, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
With a pen or a pencil, otherwise with a keyboard.


There, It has been said.

You forgot to add crayon and magic marker, too.  :bigass:

Chalk, paint brush, stamps, spray can, quill, appendage  :sombrero:
Laser cutter, 3d printer? Ink. They all print dates   :bigass:
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formulanone

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Quote from: Takumi on January 25, 2018, 09:35:53 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 07:22:28 AM
It's called "culture" for everyone else who does something "different", but if you're an American, it's "foolish behaviour”.
Fixed ;) But +1.

I can never remember if the u goes before the o; I'm terrible at remembering multiple-vowel spellings, except for "beautiful".

Worst case example is asking me to spell that piece of furniture / government department that begins with B and I'll mentally spell it buryirow if there's no spell-checker*.

* foolish behaviour

1995hoo

Quote from: Beltway on January 26, 2018, 01:20:02 AM
I use MM-DD-YYCC.

....

What does "CC" indicate in this notation ("notation" meaning as quoted above, not the actual numbers themselves)? If you'd written "MM-DD-CCYY," I'd understand "CC" to denote "century," but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

mgk920

Me?  Unless requested otherwise, I always do the 'ISO 8601' thing (YYYY-MM-DD).  It's the least ambiguous format that I know of.

Mike

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Well, that's just like your opinion man...

Otto Yamamoto

Quote from: english si on January 25, 2018, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 25, 2018, 07:22:28 AMIt's called "culture" for everyone else who does something "different", but if you're an American, it's "foolish behavior".
Where did I say that?

Sure, I said month-day-year is illogical, but this was talking about month-day vs day-month where both are equally logical, but there's ambiguity as to which different system is being used.

I really don't get why you are being so huffy about this.
'Cause you hurt his feelings by dissing America.

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KEK Inc.

The day is the most variable number and the most important.  I would write 26 Jan 2018 or 26.01.18, which is the international standard anyways... 
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Beltway

Quote from: 1995hoo on January 26, 2018, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 26, 2018, 01:20:02 AM
I use MM-DD-YYCC.
....
What does "CC" indicate in this notation ("notation" meaning as quoted above, not the actual numbers themselves)? If you'd written "MM-DD-CCYY," I'd understand "CC" to denote "century," but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Misprint.  Should have been MM-DD-CCYY

[fixed it]
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Scott5114

Quote from: KEK Inc. on January 26, 2018, 11:20:36 PM
The day is the most variable number and the most important.  I would write 26 Jan 2018 or 26.01.18, which is the international standard anyways... 

The day is the most important number?

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J N Winkler

Wikipedia's article on date formats by country references endianness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country

Apropos of the discussion upthread about the UK, it also specifies instances where the date is written month first in Britain (newspaper banner dates and the like).
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By the way, I mentioned earlier my standard is Day/Month. However, with the month spelt out I allow for regional variations, and thus in this forum and also in the Chinese metro threads over at Skyscrapercity I quote dates as Month/Day to reflect local usage.
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1995hoo

Quote from: mgk920 on January 27, 2018, 10:37:10 AM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on January 26, 2018, 12:00:32 PM
I write it 2018 C.E. :) :-D

Hunh?

:confused:

Mike

People who object to "BC"  and "AD"  often use "BCE"  and "CE,"  respectively, to denote "Before Common Era"  and "Common Era."  I suppose you could suggest that since Jesus is generally agreed to have been a real person, regardless of whether you believe he should be assigned any religious significance, it could be appropriate to date the years as before and after his estimated birth (you wouldn't use "Christ"  because that's a title–his parents weren't Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Christ). Problem with that is, "Before Jesus"  would lead to an unfortunate abbreviation:

"Julius Caesar was assassinated on March 15, 44 BJ."  

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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.



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