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Started by Roadgeekteen, April 30, 2021, 05:19:57 PM

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hbelkins

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 30, 2021, 05:19:57 PM
I don't want users to be able to mess up improve conversations by mass editing or deleting posts. Think before you post on the internet.

You mean like this?  :bigass:


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.


CoreySamson

Quote from: CoreySamson on April 30, 2021, 05:46:06 PM
I think editing a title should need mod approval. That way we know what the thread was originally about. Other edits, no.
Maybe I was just overreacting to Angelo, but after thinking about it, I now agree with RoadGeekTeen.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
I no longer think that we should ban users from editing, most people use it correctly.
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Scott5114

Quote from: SectorZ on May 01, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
And be deprived of everlasting threads like "Sine salad"?

"Sine salad" was 100% intentional–intentionally misspelling "sign" as "sine" was a hallmark of MTR regular Otto Yamamoto's posting style. Since he also popularized the term "sine salad" to refer to any large mass of signage, it's arguably an error to not spell it like that.
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 01, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
And be deprived of everlasting threads like "Sine salad"?

"Sine salad" was 100% intentional–intentionally misspelling "sign" as "sine" was a hallmark of MTR regular Otto Yamamoto's posting style. Since he also popularized the term "sine salad" to refer to any large mass of signage, it's arguably an error to not spell it like that.
Is it similar to cosine saled?
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https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

hotdogPi

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 01, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
And be deprived of everlasting threads like "Sine salad"?

"Sine salad" was 100% intentional–intentionally misspelling "sign" as "sine" was a hallmark of MTR regular Otto Yamamoto's posting style. Since he also popularized the term "sine salad" to refer to any large mass of signage, it's arguably an error to not spell it like that.
Is it similar to cosine saled?

Wikipedia has a bot called SineBot. Here is its description:
QuoteSineBot is a bot that is designed to replace HagermanBot, which added {{Unsigned}} and {{UnsignedIP}} tags to unsigned edits made to talk pages as well as a handful of non-talk pages. The bot derives its name from a happy coincidence: "signing" on Wikipedia involves typing four tildes in a row (~~~~). Each tilde resembles the graphical representation of a sine function, and, of course, the very word "sine" is a homophone of "sign." Moreover, the word "sine" means "without" in the Latin language.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Scott5114

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 01, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
And be deprived of everlasting threads like "Sine salad"?

"Sine salad" was 100% intentional–intentionally misspelling "sign" as "sine" was a hallmark of MTR regular Otto Yamamoto's posting style. Since he also popularized the term "sine salad" to refer to any large mass of signage, it's arguably an error to not spell it like that.
Is it similar to cosine saled?

You don't have to ask a question in response to every post every user makes. Sometimes it's better to not post at all.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

dlsterner

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:33:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 01, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
And be deprived of everlasting threads like "Sine salad"?

"Sine salad" was 100% intentional–intentionally misspelling "sign" as "sine" was a hallmark of MTR regular Otto Yamamoto's posting style. Since he also popularized the term "sine salad" to refer to any large mass of signage, it's arguably an error to not spell it like that.
Is it similar to cosine saled?
Tangentially related   :bigass:

JoePCool14

Quote from: 1 on May 01, 2021, 08:23:09 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 08:21:21 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 30, 2021, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: webny99 on April 30, 2021, 07:06:37 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 30, 2021, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 30, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
On the whole, the idea that some people may edit in annoying ways is not a valid reason to remove the option for the rest of us. Dealing with problem users as they arise is exactly the right approach.

"One person used a thing to do something sucky so now we're going to make it a rule that NOBODY can have it!" was a fundamental management axiom at my last job, which was one of the reasons why working there was so obnoxious.

I must say, that's pretty much exactly how I feel about the stats page being canned...
We should bring back the forum stats! It's been four years since all the incidents caused by them. (That thread about sleep patterns was my mistake and wasn't caused by that page)

What kind of stats were even on that page? I don't remember looking at it back when it was thing.

Posts and threads started for every single day, new users for every single day, most posted in threads overall, most viewed threads, forum members with most logged in time, male:female ratio (I'm actually interested in this one), and a few other things that I can't remember.

I support bringing the stats back.

I also agree. Those stats sound amazing.

:) Needs more... :sombrero: Not quite... :bigass: Perfect.
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Scott5114

They're really not that great. Admins still have access to them and I never really bother to look at them because they don't really provide much info that isn't just "huh, neat."

The male:female ratio is listed as 12.1:1. I am not certain how accurate this is because the gender selector is inelegant (doesn't cover nonbinary genders) and I don't believe specifying a gender is mandatory, and males are more likely to self-identify than non-males. Likewise, I'm sure there's at least one person who identifies as female in real life but chose to be categorized as male because she doesn't want to catch anyone's attention.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

Angelo71


JoePCool14

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:30:35 PM
The male:female ratio is listed as 12.1:1.

Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.

:) Needs more... :sombrero: Not quite... :bigass: Perfect.
JDOT: We make the world a better place to drive.
Travel Mapping | 60+ Clinches | 260+ Traveled | 8000+ Miles Logged

Scott5114

Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
I have an idea: A change log where they can restore stuff.

Not possible with the way the forum software is built, unfortunately. On a wiki, each revision is stored separately, and the user is shown the most recent version, which allows easy reversion to an older version. On this forum, whenever you edit a post, it completely replaces whatever version is already stored in the database. Thus why people editing their posts disruptively is a big deal.

Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.

Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

JoePCool14

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

:) Needs more... :sombrero: Not quite... :bigass: Perfect.
JDOT: We make the world a better place to drive.
Travel Mapping | 60+ Clinches | 260+ Traveled | 8000+ Miles Logged

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.

Angelo71

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky

Angelo71

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7


Angelo71

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7
79, and I'm assuming you are from CA since you have hundreds?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7
79, and I'm assuming you are from CA since you have hundreds?

For the moment, just one of many places I've lived. 

Angelo71

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7
79, and I'm assuming you are from CA since you have hundreds?

For the moment, just one of many places I've lived.
Yeah who would want to live in CA anyways?

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7
79, and I'm assuming you are from CA since you have hundreds?

For the moment, just one of many places I've lived.
Yeah who would want to live in CA anyways?

People who want to live within two hours of four National Parks, who want access to some of the best driving roads anywhere and were paid to do so. 

Angelo71

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7
79, and I'm assuming you are from CA since you have hundreds?

For the moment, just one of many places I've lived.
Yeah who would want to live in CA anyways?

People who want to live within two hours of four National Parks, who want access to some of the best driving roads anywhere and were paid to do so.
It's a bunch of vegans in the desert.

tolbs17

Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 01, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 01, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 01, 2021, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 01, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
Dang, that ratio is even worse than the ratio at my university. Ouch.
Tell all your female friends about how awesome road signs are! Then notice how many fewer female friends you have. Whoops.

Ah, the few of them I have already know. I just embrace it at this point. Maybe one day I'll actually be blessed with someone who cares as much about Road Sign UNO as I do.  :nod:

My wife actually was the one who came up with the idea for the Sign Garden:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/151828809@N08/1h0o39

That's how I know she's a keeper, she has infinite tolerance for my assorted list of hobbies.
I'm sorry, but whoever arranged this forgot a lot of interstates (I-71)


Ehhh...not so much:

https://flic.kr/p/T8qHky
76? 79? 73? 31? 7? 81? 89?

I do have a I-81 but I also have:

-  CA 76
-  US 31
-  Several variations on US 89
-  CA 7 and US 7
79, and I'm assuming you are from CA since you have hundreds?

For the moment, just one of many places I've lived.
Yeah who would want to live in CA anyways?

People who want to live within two hours of four National Parks, who want access to some of the best driving roads anywhere and were paid to do so.
It's a bunch of vegans in the desert.
And they don't eat food that comes from animals!

Angelo71

If California was a person they would be an edgy ugly teenager who is in an open realationship.



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