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[hotdogPi]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.

[J N Winkler]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I have seen studies use definitions of lifelong nonsmoker that include people who have smoked a fairly small number of cigarettes (say 100 total) over their lives.  It is somewhat similar to how Toyota allows a drive belt to be considered "never used" if the vehicle has been run for 10 minutes or less with it installed (separate deflection measurements are quoted for used and never-used belts).

This said, I have personally never smoked, not even once, and I don't think that is uncommon, especially for lifelong nonsmokers from smoking households.  There is an aversion that builds up from the negatives of living with secondhand smoke (stinky clothes, endless colds, etc.) that takes decades to get over.  Even now I cannot stand to be downwind of a cigarette smoker when I am walking down the street.

[Mr_Northside]

John Denver liked WV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo

Or, at least, he liked western Virginia.

[jakeroot]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.

No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".

I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.

[NWI_Irish96]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.

No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".

I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.

I don't have a moral issue with pot, but smoking it is horrible for your lungs. Not as bad as cigarettes, but still bad. Stick with edibles, folks.

[SectorZ]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.

Same here. My parents did and I thought it was disgusting. Not that I was going to take it up at age 36, but my father dying of bladder cancer 7 years ago (the lead cause of it being smoking) confirmed I was smart to never start.

[hbelkins]

I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco...  Just because of the smell.

I can't stand the smell of either. But while tobacco smoke is merely an irritant, marijuana smoke gives me a headache if I'm around it.

[NWI_Irish96]

I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco...  Just because of the smell.

I can't stand the smell of either. But while tobacco smoke is merely an irritant, marijuana smoke gives me a headache if I'm around it.

I'm the exact opposite. I don't enjoy the smell of marijuana smoke but cigarette smoke makes me sick.

[JayhawkCO]

I don't have a moral issue with pot, but smoking it is horrible for your lungs. Not as bad as cigarettes, but still bad. Stick with edibles, folks.

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.  If I drink a 7.0% IPA, I know in general what kind of buzz (or not) I'll get.  If I have an edible, different ones from the same container will affect you massively differently.  A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work.  About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there.  I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.  I had previously taken some from the same package and didn't feel a thing.  Smoking isn't great for you, so I go for the mini-pens which seem to do the trick for me.

Chris

[jeffandnicole]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.

No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".

I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.

I term myself a 2 pack-per life smoker.  Just wasn't my thing.  I have other vices instead.

My dad was a smoker, but he smoked thin cigars because they were cheaper, or pipes.  When he had appendicitis, while recovering told my mom to throw out his tobacco stuff.  Quit cold turkey, and never smoked again, except for 1 cigar when he was around his brothers one holiday.

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

[JayhawkCO]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.

No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".

I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.

I term myself a 2 pack-per life smoker.  Just wasn't my thing.  I have other vices instead.

My dad was a smoker, but he smoked thin cigars because they were cheaper, or pipes.  When he had appendicitis, while recovering told my mom to throw out his tobacco stuff.  Quit cold turkey, and never smoked again, except for 1 cigar when he was around his brothers one holiday.

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly.  The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.  Smelling my work uniform at the end of the night was cringe worthy.

Chris

[kphoger]

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.

From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to.  I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?

At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly.  The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.

Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.

[JayhawkCO]

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.

From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to.  I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?

I managed arguably the highest end steakhouse in Denver when I moved back here and Colorado was one of the few states with recreational.  We had business people who would take one, not feel anything after twenty minutes, and then take another.  Then they'd come into the restaurant for a business dinner and indulge in a martini then maybe a glass of wine and then the edible would hit them and they'd go catatonic.  We had one woman urinate on herself because she got so messed up.  Do some research people. 

Chris

[jakeroot]

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.

[CoreySamson]

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.

From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to.  I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?

I managed arguably the highest end steakhouse in Denver when I moved back here and Colorado was one of the few states with recreational.  We had business people who would take one, not feel anything after twenty minutes, and then take another.  Then they'd come into the restaurant for a business dinner and indulge in a martini then maybe a glass of wine and then the edible would hit them and they'd go catatonic.  We had one woman urinate on herself because she got so messed up.  Do some research people. 

Chris

That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.

[kphoger]

That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.

But ...

A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work.  About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there.  I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.

... doesn't sound like a good idea if it had happened while driving.

[1995hoo]

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.

Back in 1996 I went into a Hardee's in eastern North Carolina, I think in Kenansville because I was in that area on business, and I found there was a single table designated as the non-smoking "section." I, of course, sat at that table. You would have thought I was a toad rapist or something the way the other people in the restaurant were giving me the stink eye for sitting there.

[JayhawkCO]

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.

At least at the restaurants I worked with a smoking section, we either had a separate room (which had a door that was obviously open to the non-smoking area) or an air curtain between the spaces. 

Chris

[jeffandnicole]

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.

From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to.  I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?

At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly.  The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.

Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.

NJ & NV carved out a big exception for casinos, because people that like to gamble like to drink and smoke.  NJ originally included the casinos in the smoking ban, but all those do-gooders that didn't want smoking in casinos, claiming they don't like the smoke, apparently also aren't gamblers because they didn't show up.  The state then said casinos could have smoking 'rooms' that were mainly large closets so people didn't have to go outside, but then backed off the smoking ban and allowed smoking on up to 25% of the casino floor.

In NJ casinos, one of the last Covid restrictions was a continued ban on smoking thru July 3, 2021, and some had hoped a permanent ban on indoor smoking would occur, but it didn't happen.

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.

Yep...that was definitely one of the (obviously true) claims people used to encourage lawmakers to ban smoking indoors.

I still remember when a McDonalds near me first instituted a smoking/non-smoking section in the 1980's.  The "non-smoking" section was two booths...among all the other booths where parents could smoke while their kids munched on their happy meals.

My office building opened in 1992, and had small ashtrays in the bathrooms.  Smoking was banned inside a year or two later.  Those ashtrays, part of the toilet paper assembly, remained until last decade when they remodeled.

[JayhawkCO]

That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.

But ...

A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work.  About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there.  I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.

... doesn't sound like a good idea if it had happened while driving.

I don't think Corey was saying that smoking and driving should be legal.  Just the weed in general.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Weed for me is definitely a "do at home when your brain is racing because of stress and you want to relax" kind of drug.  I don't understand people who can do it socially because it does not affect me that way.  More than one hit and I'm a mute.

Chris

[kphoger]

The state then said casinos could have smoking 'rooms' that were mainly large closets so people didn't have to go outside ...

I remember when Amtrak had smoking rooms on the bottom level of its Superliner cars.  Good grief, you'd have to pay me to even go in there!

[CoreySamson]

That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.

But ...

A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work.  About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there.  I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.

... doesn't sound like a good idea if it had happened while driving.

I don't think Corey was saying that smoking and driving should be legal.  Just the weed in general.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Weed for me is definitely a "do at home when your brain is racing because of stress and you want to relax kind of drug".  I don't understand people who can do it socially because it does not affect me that way.  More than one hit and I'm a mute.

Chris

Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).

[kphoger]

Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).

Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.

|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I'm just old enough to remember the final few years of Minnesota permitting smoking in restaurants. The Perkins near my house had the smoking section on the far side from the entrance, separated by windows and doors. I thought about it recently when I went to an older Chinese restaurant near my work; they never removed their "SMOKING" section sign, just pasted a "NO" next to it.

[CoreySamson]

Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).

Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.

|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.

Eh, I think if you have any alcohol in your system, you shouldn't be driving. Ditto for marijuana or any other psychoactive drug. That may not be the law, but I think that's what we should strive for. Speaking of that, is there some sort of test for psychoactive drugs that police officers could use to keep people safe on the road?