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E.G. the gas, food, lodging, etc. signs. As a question to prompt discussion, do the hotels/gas stations/restaurants featured on the signs have to pay to be featured, or are the DOT's obligated to put them on the signs? How often do they update them? (Sometimes one still sees, for example the old Super 8 logo, old logos. How I miss that sign...  :-( )

MassDOT policy is that each business listed on a LOGO sign pays a $1,200 annual fee for each interchange they are posted at.  Because the inital business that provided the original signs pays the full cost for fabrication and installation of the signs and supports, MassDOT allows a pro-rated waiver of the annual fee until they recoup their costs (i.e., if a sign installation costs $12,000, the inital business can have their annual fee waived for ten years).

Unlike other states that employ outside companies like Interstate Logo to manage theri services signing programs, MassDOT reviews and processes all applications and agreements, and collection of the annual fees, in-house.

Here in Arizona, for signs in rural areas, pricing is a flat monthly fee ($120/month for mainline freeway signage, $44/month for non-freeway signage, and $18/month for ramp and trailblazer signage). 

For urban areas, the lease is annual with a variable price based on AADT of the interchange (the higher the AADT the higher the lease rate), and includes mainline, ramp, and trailblazer signage.  On a case by case basis, logo sign placement at select interchanges may be determined by a competitive bid if demand is expected to exceed the available sign space.

ADOT's logo sign program has been entirely state operated since 2012, taking over the program from Arizona Logo Sign Group.

Michigan charges businesses $850 per year for each direction ($1700 to sign both directions of a freeway) plus the cost to make the sign.  MDOT contracts a company called Michigan Logos, Inc. to make and install the signs.

http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9625-53460--,00.html

In Wisconsin, a company called Interstate Logos maintains the business signs.  They are a subsidiary of Lamar Advertising.  They pay $30/month for signs on the freeways and $10/month for signs on off ramps.   

Illinois loves to put up blue signs but never fill them. Numerous blanks are all over I-80 in random spots

In Washington, WSDOT puts them up, but it is up to the business to contact WSDOT, pay a fee, and provide the specs for the sign to be created.  Most of the 90s and 00s, no one knew what to do, so they weren't updated. 

Quote from: TEG24601 on August 07, 2015, 05:21:21 PM
In Washington, WSDOT puts them up, but it is up to the business to contact WSDOT, pay a fee, and provide the specs for the sign to be created.  Most of the 90s and 00s, no one knew what to do, so they weren't updated. 

In Massachusetts, the initial signs are put up by the business (through one of MassDOT's approved sign contractors).  "Add-on" LOGOs for existing signs are provided by the business, but are installed by District forces.

I noticed in New Hampshire they sometimes will put the logo signs at the ramps but not on the highway before you get there, only the little blue pictogram Food, Gas, Lodging, etc. Then you take the exit and the ramp logo signs are there telling you which way to turn at the end of the ramp.

I notice in Ohio the logo panels are all about a 4:3 aspect ratio, while in Indiana they are wider, more like 3:2 or 5:3.

Also, another think I have noticed is how different states use different layouts for logo signs. 

Ever since Arizona started their urban logo sign program, all new installations (even in rural areas) now have exit tabs instead of having the exit number in the body of the sign, even on logo signs with only one service type.  I presume this is to save money on future modifications to existing signs should another service type be added to an existing sign in the future.

Also, on the ramp signs, Arizona only expresses distances in whole numbers, and omits the distance for any business located less than one mile from the interchange.

Also, in New Mexico, on signs with only one service type, the service type is left aligned while the exit number is right aligned, rather than both being centered and separated by a dash like in most states.

North Carolina has a brochure here:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Signing%20and%20Delineation%20Library/Logo%20Program%20Informational%20Brochure.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Signing%20and%20Delineation%20Library/Logo%20Program%20Informational%20Brochure.pdf)

In short, it's $300 annual per sign, typically $1200 total for four signs per interchange.

South Carolina, on the other hand, charges by interchange traffic, thus can be from $1000 to $2,500 a year.  Here is their link:  http://www.scdot.org/getting/logoProgram.aspx (http://www.scdot.org/getting/logoProgram.aspx)

I have been looking at Interstate Logos' websites for the logo sign programs that it operates in different states, and they claim that 98% of motorists use logo signs while traveling.

I wonder if there is any truth to this statement or if there is any data that they have that backs up their claim.  Online I see a lot of opposition to logo signs by those who think they are unnecessary due to smartphones (even though you shouldn't be searching for nearby services on a smartphone while driving at freeway speeds).

I would be curious to know the answer to this for NY.

Louisiana's information is a dead end (or NO OUTLET if you prefer):  :sombrero:

http://wwwapps.dotd.la.gov/administration/dotdaz/definition.aspx?termID=193

I've noticed that when Hess switched to Speedway, and when Sovereign changed to Santander, everything switched almost immediately – there are no remaining Sovereign logos, no matter how hard you look. This applies on the buildings themselves, on road signs, and on Google and Apple Maps. However, Exit 46 on I-495 (MA) northbound has "Gas: Gulf (6 AM - 10 PM), Sunoco (24 hours)". The former is an independent station now, and it has been that way for years.

Note to anyone living in the area or active on GasBuddy: This gas station is temporarily closed, but this is not the first time that this has happened.

Quote from: mariethefoxy on August 07, 2015, 11:25:02 PM
I noticed in New Hampshire they sometimes will put the logo signs at the ramps but not on the highway before you get there, only the little blue pictogram Food, Gas, Lodging, etc. Then you take the exit and the ramp logo signs are there telling you which way to turn at the end of the ramp.

It is NHDOT policy - see https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/operations/traffic/documents/logo-sign-rules.pdf to not provide LOGO service panels on the mainline in any circumstance - the rationale behind this is apparently to preserve the scenic character of the highways by minimizing the number of signs on the mainline.  As such, only the generic service pictographs are normally provided as part of the advance sign (usually the 1 mile sign) for an exit.  However, in instances where the 1 mile sign is overhead mounted, and spacing allows, the pictographs are provided on a separate blue background sign somewhere within the advance sign sequence.

Ironically, about a year or so ago, NHDOT started installing separate Attractions LOGO signs on highway mainlines.  Have not yet been able to find any written policy regarding these signs - which installation of was apparently the result of Legislative action - but most of the "Attractions" I've seen placed on the background panels (such as State Liquor Stores and Urgent Care facilities) have no cultural, historical, or recreational value.  I'm also half expecting that, now that Attractions LOGO signs are in place, somebody like McDonald's will eventually challenge the prohibition on other mainline service LOGO signs as being an unreasonable restriction (after all, as a necessary 'service', Attractions could be considered the lowest tier in importance to drivers).

Quote from: ET21 on August 07, 2015, 05:09:44 PM
Illinois loves to put up blue signs but never fill them. Numerous blanks are all over I-80 in random spots

I've noted that as well on my trips through Illinois, and other states as well.  There's a part of me that would love to go out and place "This sign intentionally left blank" on one of these panels.

Just some information to share, ADOT actually saw an increase in participation from 2016 to 2017 in their logo sign program, particularly at select urban interchanges where a competitive bid is conducted where potential demand exceeds available capacity, with more businesses competing for a space.  In fact, ADOT has transitioned more exits to the competitive bid model due to increased demand. So much for logo signs becoming obsolete due to smartphones and GPS.

Quote from: Pink Jazz on November 15, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Just some information to share, ADOT actually saw an increase in participation from 2016 to 2017 in their logo sign program, particularly at select urban interchanges where a competitive bid is conducted where potential demand exceeds available capacity, with more businesses competing for a space.  So much for logo signs becoming obsolete due to smartphones and GPS.

I've always thought this group overly-believes that everyone uses phones and GPSs.  If I'm going along knowing where I'm heading and I decide I'm hungry, I'm looking at those blue signs for guidance.

Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 15, 2017, 01:48:27 PM

Quote from: Pink Jazz on November 15, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Just some information to share, ADOT actually saw an increase in participation from 2016 to 2017 in their logo sign program, particularly at select urban interchanges where a competitive bid is conducted where potential demand exceeds available capacity, with more businesses competing for a space.  So much for logo signs becoming obsolete due to smartphones and GPS.

I've always thought this group overly-believes that everyone uses phones and GPSs.  If I'm going along knowing where I'm heading and I decide I'm hungry, I'm looking at those blue signs for guidance.

I absolutely agree. We've found that the blue signs are generally more efficient than GPS, which often misleads with results that are out of the way and sometimes even behind our current location.

Just something interesting from Arizona to share, Grand Canyon State Logo Signs just announced the 2018 bid winners for the Loop 101 and McDowell exit in west Phoenix, and it looks like the surprising top bidder was Main Event Entertainment.  I presume they will be under the Food category, since I don't think they are eligible to be placed under Attractions.

What happens when a business goes bust, but they had some logo signs? The contractor keeps them (just in case). What happens when it's been 2 years since the signs have been used? They sell them for scrap. What happens if you go on a tour of said contractor, and the logo of a now defunct, really good restaurant that you like is just sitting there?

OK OK, this is just a long way of saying I have one... yup. That's what the point of this post is...

To be fair though, getting a tour of the main contractor for... well anything, is really cool. Should've gotten a picture standing in a Big Sandy barrel... that would have been a cool pic!

Edit: so, actually, if you look on WB Kilpatric Tpike just before you go over Pennsylvania Ave, you will se the sign I have. The Poblano Grill sign. That sign in GSV is the one I have!

Quote from: MCRoads on May 09, 2018, 12:10:36 AM
What happens when a business goes bust, but they had some logo signs? The contractor keeps them (just in case). What happens when it’s been 2 years since the signs have been used? They sell them for scrap. What happens if you go on a tour of said contractor, and the logo of a now defunct, really good restaurant that you like is just sitting there?

OK OK, this is just a long way of saying I have one... yup. That’s what the point of this post is...

To be fair though, getting a tour of the main contractor for... well anything, is really cool. Should’ve gotten a picture standing in a Big Sandy barrel... that would have been a cool pic!

Edit: so, actually, if you look on WB Kilpatric Tpike just before you go over Pennsylvania Ave, you will se the sign I have. The Poblano Grill sign. That sign in GSV is the one I have!

Usually, the LOGOs of the defunct restaurant are removed and go to scrap (typically DOT forces would remove the LOGOs).  However, there have been cases where the restaurant would request the LOGOs back.

Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 09, 2015, 07:30:43 AM
North Carolina has a brochure here:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Signing%20and%20Delineation%20Library/Logo%20Program%20Informational%20Brochure.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Signing%20and%20Delineation%20Library/Logo%20Program%20Informational%20Brochure.pdf)

In short, it's $300 annual per sign, typically $1200 total for four signs per interchange.

South Carolina, on the other hand, charges by interchange traffic, thus can be from $1000 to $2,500 a year.  Here is their link:  http://www.scdot.org/getting/logoProgram.aspx (http://www.scdot.org/getting/logoProgram.aspx)

But if you ever pass a sign for a winery that's white with a cluster of grapes, those signs cost over $50,000 believe it or not. That's what NCDOT says it costs for their (high) standards that include concrete footings, sign fabrication,etc.

I couldn't believe it but I read official documents. I'll add a link if I can find it.

In Arizona, for rural areas, the price for a freeway sign is $126/month per mainline sign and $19/month per ramp sign and trailblazer signs.  For rural arterials, the price is $46/month.

Urban areas (defined as Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma, Flagstaff, and Casa Grande), on the other hand, use bidirectional annual pricing based on traffic with mainline, ramp, and trailblazers all included ranging from $1680/year to $6540/year.  At select exits with a high concentration of businesses where sign space is limited, GCSLS may elect to do a competitive bid, where sign placement is awarded to the highest bidders.  If an exit can only fit signs in one direction, businesses who get unidirectional signs pay half price.

Winery signage is getting to be more and more popular in more and more states. Wonder when the microbrewery industry will demand similar treatment?

Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
Winery signage is getting to be more and more popular in more and more states. Wonder when the microbrewery industry will demand similar treatment?

Winery signage seems to be mainly in rural areas. How common are micro-breweries in rural areas, where logo signs are more prevalent, and the brew places aren't competing for logo sign space with many other attractions?

Not the same, but the Route 11 potato chip factory off I-81 in rural Virginia got space on a logo sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7286147,-78.6555398,3a,41.2y,233.15h,83.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX1dR1LfHn60Ji3qEtbYTjw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (along with a flea market, and some other kind of place). It's on a sign for "attractions", even though you can buy potato chips there.

Quote from: oscar on May 12, 2018, 03:41:42 PM

Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
Winery signage is getting to be more and more popular in more and more states. Wonder when the microbrewery industry will demand similar treatment?

Winery signage seems to be mainly in rural areas. How common are micro-breweries in rural areas, where logo signs are more prevalent, and the brew places aren't competing for logo sign space with many other attractions?

Not the same, but the Route 11 potato chip factory off I-81 in rural Virginia got space on a logo sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7286147,-78.6555398,3a,41.2y,233.15h,83.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX1dR1LfHn60Ji3qEtbYTjw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (along with a flea market, and some other kind of place). It's on a sign for "attractions", even though you can buy potato chips there.

Yep, and some states still don't allow logo signs in urban areas.  Even in states that do allow them in urban areas, there must be enough space between exits in order not to conflict with other signs.  This is particularly an issue near some dense downtown areas which is why often you won't see logo signs in those areas even in states that allow logo signs in urban areas.

I plan to compile a list of states that allow logo signs in urban areas or rural areas only, or no logo signs at all.  I would like to create a map for Wikipedia.

Here is what I know:

Urban and Rural:

• Arizona
• Colorado
• Florida
• Georgia
• Iowa
• Louisiana
• Massachusetts
• Minnesota
• Nevada
• New Jersey
• North Carolina
• Oregon
• Tennessee
• Texas
• Utah
• Virginia
• Washington
• Wisconsin

Rural Only:

• California
• Illinois
• Maine
• Maryland
• New Mexico (legally allows them in urban areas, but has none installed)
• New York
• South Carolina
• Wyoming

Freeway Ramps Only:

• Vermont

No Logo Signs:

• Alaska
• Hawaii
• North Dakota
• Puerto Rico

Unknown:

• Alabama
• Arkansas
• Connecticut
• Delaware
• Idaho
• Indiana
• Kansas
• Kentucky
• Michigan
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• Montana
• Nebraska
• New Hampshire
• Ohio
• Oklahoma
• Pennsylvania
• Rhode Island
• South Dakota
• West Virginia

Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 16, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
I plan to compile a list of states that allow logo signs in urban areas or rural areas only, or no logo signs at all.  I would like to create a map for Wikipedia.

Here is what I know:

Urban and Rural:

• Arizona
• Colorado
• Florida
• Georgia
• Iowa
• Louisiana
• Massachusetts
• Minnesota
• Nevada
• New Jersey
• North Carolina
• Oregon
• Tennessee
• Texas
• Utah
• Virginia
• Washington
• Wisconsin

Rural Only:

• California
• Illinois
• Maine
• Maryland
• New Mexico (legally allows them in urban areas, but has none installed)
• New York
• South Carolina
• Wyoming

Freeway Ramps Only:

• Vermont

No Logo Signs:

• Alaska
• Hawaii
• North Dakota
• Puerto Rico

Unknown:

• Alabama
• Arkansas
• Connecticut
• Delaware
• Idaho
• Indiana
• Kansas
• Kentucky
• Michigan
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• Montana
• Nebraska
• New Hampshire
• Ohio
• Oklahoma
• Pennsylvania
• Rhode Island
• South Dakota
• West Virginia

Add Indiana into the Urban and Rural list...

Here is a website that might help you with some states that we don't know yet (not all states are on that website)...
https://www.interstatelogos.com/

Quote from: architect77 on May 11, 2018, 04:57:50 PM

Quote from: WashuOtaku on August 09, 2015, 07:30:43 AM
North Carolina has a brochure here:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Signing%20and%20Delineation%20Library/Logo%20Program%20Informational%20Brochure.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Signing%20and%20Delineation%20Library/Logo%20Program%20Informational%20Brochure.pdf)

In short, it's $300 annual per sign, typically $1200 total for four signs per interchange.

South Carolina, on the other hand, charges by interchange traffic, thus can be from $1000 to $2,500 a year.  Here is their link:  http://www.scdot.org/getting/logoProgram.aspx (http://www.scdot.org/getting/logoProgram.aspx)

But if you ever pass a sign for a winery that's white with a cluster of grapes, those signs cost over $50,000 believe it or not. That's what NCDOT says it costs for their (high) standards that include concrete footings, sign fabrication,etc.

I couldn't believe it but I read official documents. I'll add a link if I can find it.

$50K per sign installation?  I find that price incredibly hard to believe, even if it is "per interchange" instead of "per sign."  Typical costs in Massachusetts for a "per interchange" installation (2 mainline signs and 2 ramp signs) range between $9K and $13K - the variability is due to slope conditions and panel size.

Update:  Google search found this 2015 study of NC's Agricultural Sign Program (which includes the winery signs).  Average ten year cost for a freeway sign installation (per sign) is just under $15K (including annual fees).  This is reasonable for extruded panel signs on steel beam posts.  https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/J_Bhadury_NC_2015.pdf

Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 16, 2018, 05:39:48 PM
I plan to compile a list of states that allow logo signs in urban areas or rural areas only, or no logo signs at all.  I would like to create a map for Wikipedia.

Unknown:

• Delaware

I'd put Delaware in the Urban/Rural category, as they have them on 95 and 495 in Wilmington. (ie, 95 South approaching Rt. 202: https://goo.gl/maps/uYvMXPAP1qS2 )

Tennessee does not make the fee for posting your business on the sign public.  All I can guess is that it's a lot, since there are many blue signs in the state with just 1 or 2 entries.  There are even several near me that are totally empty, and I live in a very populated area.

Quote from: mrcmc888 on August 17, 2018, 02:17:11 PM
Tennessee does not make the fee for posting your business on the sign public.  All I can guess is that it's a lot, since there are many blue signs in the state with just 1 or 2 entries.  There are even several near me that are totally empty, and I live in a very populated area.

Tennessee switched contractors in 2016 from Law Signs Inc. to Tennessee Logos Inc., and I have read that they did increase their prices with the contractor switch.  However, I think TDOT's share of the total revenue was increased under this new contract.  Also, Tennessee is the most recent state to launch an urban logo sign program, and the urban program was launched alongside the contractor switch.  Tennessee's urban program requires an opt-in by cities.  Note that there are no logo signs installed within the actual city limits of Nashville or Memphis (however Knoxville has them), but most of the suburbs have them installed.

For the longest time, GA wouldn't put Chick-fil-A on their signs because they were closed on Sundays. Eventually they relented, but included CLOSED SUNDAYS above the logo.

Quote from: abefroman329 on August 17, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
For the longest time, GA wouldn’t put Chick-fil-A on their signs because they were closed on Sundays. Eventually they relented, but included CLOSED SUNDAYS above the logo.

This was actually changed in the 2000 MUTCD, along with the reduction from three meals per day to two.  However, some states may have stricter rules than what the MUTCD prescribes; I know NYSDOT still gives priority to restaurants that serve three meals per day.  Also, one state I know (Minnesota) specifically bans ice cream shops from the program.

Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 17, 2018, 03:00:11 PM

Quote from: abefroman329 on August 17, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
For the longest time, GA wouldn't put Chick-fil-A on their signs because they were closed on Sundays. Eventually they relented, but included CLOSED SUNDAYS above the logo.

This was actually changed in the 2000 MUTCD, along with the reduction from three meals per day to two.  However, some states may have stricter rules than what the MUTCD prescribes; I know NYSDOT still gives priority to restaurants that serve three meals per day.  Also, one state I know (Minnesota) specifically bans ice cream shops from the program.

Ah, I see. I don't rely on the blue signs as much as I used to, now that I have the iExit app.

Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 17, 2018, 02:25:25 PM

Quote from: mrcmc888 on August 17, 2018, 02:17:11 PM
Tennessee does not make the fee for posting your business on the sign public.  All I can guess is that it's a lot, since there are many blue signs in the state with just 1 or 2 entries.  There are even several near me that are totally empty, and I live in a very populated area.

Tennessee switched contractors in 2016 from Law Signs Inc. to Tennessee Logos Inc., and I have read that they did increase their prices with the contractor switch.  However, I think TDOT's share of the total revenue was increased under this new contract.  Also, Tennessee is the most recent state to launch an urban logo sign program, and the urban program was launched alongside the contractor switch.  Tennessee's urban program requires an opt-in by cities.  Note that there are no logo signs installed within the actual city limits of Nashville or Memphis (however Knoxville has them), but most of the suburbs have them installed.

Knoxville has had the logo signs for years, but its local businesses don't really want to put themselves on the signs.  I don't really think it has much to do with the urban logo signs being recently approved or anything.  I-75 from Knoxville to Chattanooga is a wasteland of empty Big Blue Signs.

I wonder why Tennessee is having such a poor retention rate with its logo sign program.  Here in Arizona the logo sign program continues to be strong, with very few empty signs except in some really far flung areas with only one business at the exit.  In fact, the switch from an outside vendor to in-house operation I think increased participation of the program, since ADOT gets 100% of the revenue.

Ok so I brought this up in a different thread but it belongs here as well...

Anybody know why Florida's logo signs are the only signs the state posts that are extruded panel?  All of FL's other big freeway signs are flat or segmental panel with z-bars for attaching to posts.  Could this be because of them subbing out their logo sign program?

Quote from: wriddle082 on August 17, 2018, 04:52:46 PM
Ok so I brought this up in a different thread but it belongs here as well...

Anybody know why Florida's logo signs are the only signs the state posts that are extruded panel?  All of FL's other big freeway signs are flat or segmental panel with z-bars for attaching to posts.  Could this be because of them subbing out their logo sign program?

Virginia's contractor is owned by the same parent company (Interstate Logos) yet uses incremental panels.  My guess is that FDOT requested the use of extruded panels due to their easier and quicker sign expandability compared to incremental panels, since if a logo sign needs to be expanded to fit another row of logos more extruded panels can easily be added to an existing sign.

Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 17, 2018, 06:40:38 PM

Quote from: wriddle082 on August 17, 2018, 04:52:46 PM
Ok so I brought this up in a different thread but it belongs here as well...

Anybody know why Florida’s logo signs are the only signs the state posts that are extruded panel?  All of FL’s other big freeway signs are flat or segmental panel with z-bars for attaching to posts.  Could this be because of them subbing out their logo sign program?

Virginia's contractor is owned by the same parent company (Interstate Logos) yet uses incremental panels.  My guess is that FDOT requested the use of extruded panels due to their easier and quicker sign expandability compared to incremental panels, since if a logo sign needs to be expanded to fit another row of logos more extruded panels can easily be added to an existing sign.

Interstate Logos is simply a management company for the applications and annual fees.  Sign fabrication and installation is still left up to local DOT approved contractors.

http://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?A=1394&Q=259522

http://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?a=3199&Q=514660&PM=1

IDK if CT differentiates between urban and rural but they do it by interchange spacing.
Also a $2000 application fee..nonrefundable.  yikes!

I guess a business as to find their own contractor to make the sign (if they're the first one) (it has to follow CT standards) I thought the business just paid the DOT and the DOT erected it.

Note that one part of Arizona where there seems to be a reduction of participation is Yuma.  Perhaps the shift from rural to urban pricing might be hurting participation there, since Yuma has long been part of the rural program prior to the launch of Arizona's urban program.  Yuma, Flagstaff, and Casa Grande have been shifted to the urban program.

Note that GCSLS used to have logo signs for Exit 122 on I-15 in Mesquite, Nevada on the Arizona side of the border, however, apparently, it looks like they have been removed.  Nevada's logo sign contractor Nevada Logos shows their logo signs on the ramps, but none on the mainline in the southbound direction.

In CT for the logo services, a business has to find their own contractor to make the sign (if they're the first one) (it has to follow CT standards) and pay for it. The DOT only says where it should go. If a 2nd business wants to get their logo they pay the business a portion or something like that.

However for ATTRACTIONS the DOT covers all unless an attraction wants their specific logo. Then the attraction just pays for that one logo panel.

The restrictions on the placement of services logo signs  are much more stringent than the ATTRACTIONS signs.

Also there aren't signs at every interchange only when a business wants one at an allowable interchange. NY they're up at everyone almost even with nothing on it.

Are most states the same?

Going back to this topic, with the COVID-19 pandemic, I wonder if this could potentially influence some states into changing their rules on what areas logo signs can be installed, lifting the pre-2000 MUTCD restrictions that only allowed them in rural areas.  Some of these businesses need help, and allowing logo signs in urban areas can bring in business during this pandemic.  In addition, states can also potentially give special discounts to locally-owned restaurants.

An interesting occurrence is on I-275 for the US-12 Michigan Avenue exit in Canton, MI.  There is a McDonald's 0.3 mile to the east and another 2.5 miles to the west, and there are two McDonald's logos on the same mainline sign in each direction of I-275.  I guess Interstate Logos wasn't willing to offer them a discount for only one mainline logo with two ramp logos.

Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 19, 2020, 06:55:37 PM
An interesting occurrence is on I-275 for the US-12 Michigan Avenue exit in Canton, MI.  There is a McDonald's 0.3 mile to the east and another 2.5 miles to the west, and there are two McDonald's logos on the same mainline sign in each direction of I-275.  I guess Interstate Logos wasn't willing to offer them a discount for only one mainline logo with two ramp logos.

I've seen this several places in Ohio; most often it's that there's a Speedway on either side of the exit. It does look funny to see two of the same logo on the mainline. Sometimes they're not even adjacent on the sign.

This is perhaps not completely on topic, but holy moly, are these signs big.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/whujg3byg0gc7ietsxzu.jpg)

The past year threw us some curveballs.  One oddity for logo signs was for the restaurant associated with the Petro truck stop at the Buckhorn Road exit for I-85/I-40 between Efland and Mebane, North Carolina (Exit 157).  The Iron Skillet restaurant didn't make it through the early stage of the shutdown.  By mid-April, a billboard proclaimed the coming of a new IHOP at Exit 157 with no information.  As construction on the restaurant commenced in May 2020, the old Iron Skillet logo signs were replaced with IHOP signs.  But alas, everything is still boarded up and the IHOP logo signs have been removed.

Wonder if there have been any other logo signs for places that never existed?

Apparently Metropistas in Puerto Rico is launching Puerto Rico's first logo sign program on PR-22 and PR-5.  Metropistas is the private partner that operates and maintains those two toll roads.

This weekend, IHOP finally opened at the Petro Truck Stop at the Buckhorn exit of I-85/I-40 in North Carolina (Exit 157).

The old restaurant was an Iron Skillet cafeteria which didn't survive long after our local COVID restrictions.  Only 53 of these restaurants remain, with 5 of those temporarily closed.  The new logo signs for IHOP were installed about April 2020.  After several months, it became obvious that the IHOP was not going to be ready for the public and NCDOT placed blank aluminum cards over the IHOP logos.  Those covers were finally removed sometime in the past week.

A different kind of logo sign on I-182, advertising the TRAC in Pacso, WA:

(https://i.imgur.com/cOupGfS.png)

I suppose that they're just using the TRAC logo on the sign, but it doesn't work because the design of the logo makes it appear to say TKAC from any distance. That's what I see when I look at it.  So, less effective than it could be.

I was in Puerto Rico, and they just started implementing the logo sign program on PR-22. Right now they are installed at two exits, one of them being the Plaza Rio Hondo exit in Bayamon, and I think the other was in Manati.