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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3575 on: October 05, 2021, 11:26:18 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/fYWStBJeUiXcJ5Ux9

Why does Route 440 cross under the NJ Turnpike and then cross back?
Because that's what they built. How much more are you spending on a connection that functions well enough?

Yeah but the shortest way is in a straight line.  It is odd that it’s built that way, I’m not saying bulldoze the thing and start over. I’m just wondering why it wasn’t built right at first.

Like I haven’t heard you complaining about shit done already on here.   It’s a valid question like any others on here.
OK, so the history there is that 440 used to end at the trumpet interchange just north of I-78 and went to JFK Blvd. It was signed TEMP 440 from there south along 501 to the Bayonne Bridge. They then opened 440 under I-78 to the next interchange upon construction of NJ 169, which went east parallel to I-78 and then south along the east side of Bayonne. That became 440 upon extension back around to the Bayonne Bridge approach when they realized they were never going to build 440 as intended. For awhile, 440 exited itself at that trumpet interchange onto 169, but then NJDOT smoothed it out so that the entire roadway stays together as it follows the path of the interchange. They never bought additional ROW, so that's the way it is.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3576 on: October 06, 2021, 04:26:30 PM »

From the (film!) archives the day of the transition. May 15th 2001.







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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3577 on: October 07, 2021, 10:04:45 PM »

Had occasion to go to Newark Airport today (had to return a car I rented for a work trip), so I was able to grab some pictures of some of the new blue signage:







In addition to RIP the original EWR logo (way better than the Lady Liberty torch they're trying to associate with this, and I won't back down from that opinion), looks like RIP Frutiger for signage. Can't tell if that's actual Helvetica, or Standard Medium, or some other derivative font, but it looks like Frutiger has had its day after 21-22 years. Also going away apparently are the egg shaped terminal identifiers. Still using the same colors, but now just plain squares. Also, the legends for the rental car facilities leads you kind of astray right now. You still should take that first left exit that leads to P4 and P6, but it's there now because the roadways to the new Terminal A (which they very quietly changed the name of the under construction Terminal One to recently) will have a more direct connection to the new rental car facility that's also under construction, but for now it loops you all the way around the airport to take the ramp down to that last area which does lead you to where the current car rental lots are. Will be curious if this is a prelude to a larger signage refresh within the airport itself. I've always thought the wayfinding system within the airport is actually pretty good, but they may be moving to change it, for better or worse.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3578 on: October 07, 2021, 10:14:37 PM »

The new signage definitely seems like a downgrade to me. It's lost a lot of information with the lack of color-coding. And I really don't like the "Newark Liberty" banner on top of all the signage. It's just clutter.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3579 on: October 07, 2021, 10:16:00 PM »

I agree; no reason for that banner to be there and it does create clutter and distraction.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3580 on: October 07, 2021, 11:31:05 PM »

I like how they really highlight the Cell Phone Lot, but dislike the abbreviation Pkg for parking, which at quick glance looks like an abbreviation for package.  I would think the sign could just say "Parking", then get more specific as you get closer to the exits for the individual lots.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3581 on: October 08, 2021, 11:03:51 AM »

They've been pretty good about highlighting the turns to the Cell Phone lot for a while, so that is just basically a replace in kind thing. The wording for those last signs to the longer term parking options is not really great for sure, especially since a big part of this is that you have to separate between those that are to the one direction and the super short term in front of the terminal parking that you would go the other way to reach. I don't really know what the "right" answer is on signing this without overloading the sign with too much legend.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3582 on: October 08, 2021, 12:26:14 PM »

They've been pretty good about highlighting the turns to the Cell Phone lot for a while, so that is just basically a replace in kind thing. The wording for those last signs to the longer term parking options is not really great for sure, especially since a big part of this is that you have to separate between those that are to the one direction and the super short term in front of the terminal parking that you would go the other way to reach. I don't really know what the "right" answer is on signing this without overloading the sign with too much legend.

The color coding was certainly a big help to separate the destinations, and they got rid of that. Plus the extra “Newark Liberty” legend which is completely useless. Clearly there was no care put into making the signs legible.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3583 on: October 08, 2021, 12:49:19 PM »

They've been pretty good about highlighting the turns to the Cell Phone lot for a while, so that is just basically a replace in kind thing. The wording for those last signs to the longer term parking options is not really great for sure, especially since a big part of this is that you have to separate between those that are to the one direction and the super short term in front of the terminal parking that you would go the other way to reach. I don't really know what the "right" answer is on signing this without overloading the sign with too much legend.

The color coding was certainly a big help to separate the destinations, and they got rid of that. Plus the extra “Newark Liberty” legend which is completely useless. Clearly there was no care put into making the signs legible.

Most of the signs are absolutely legible. What's wrong with reading anything on the blue background?  It's just the extra yellow stripe that needs to go.

Also, people on the group should be in love with the smaller APL arrows.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3584 on: October 08, 2021, 03:34:28 PM »

I don't like where Parking A-B-C is on that APL sign. Couldn't tell if there's a blue out there because some other piece of info is going above it, but it looks poorly placed. There is clearly a piece of blued out info between the part for Terminals and Rental Car Return on the right half.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3585 on: October 08, 2021, 04:14:07 PM »

I don't like where Parking A-B-C is on that APL sign. Couldn't tell if there's a blue out there because some other piece of info is going above it, but it looks poorly placed. There is clearly a piece of blued out info between the part for Terminals and Rental Car Return on the right half.
Yep, that's a blue out.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3586 on: October 08, 2021, 04:14:26 PM »

They've been pretty good about highlighting the turns to the Cell Phone lot for a while, so that is just basically a replace in kind thing. The wording for those last signs to the longer term parking options is not really great for sure, especially since a big part of this is that you have to separate between those that are to the one direction and the super short term in front of the terminal parking that you would go the other way to reach. I don't really know what the "right" answer is on signing this without overloading the sign with too much legend.

The color coding was certainly a big help to separate the destinations, and they got rid of that. Plus the extra “Newark Liberty” legend which is completely useless. Clearly there was no care put into making the signs legible.
Color coding is not MUTCD compliant. Clearly there was no care put into making this comment.

See what I did there?

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3587 on: October 08, 2021, 07:14:29 PM »

They've been pretty good about highlighting the turns to the Cell Phone lot for a while, so that is just basically a replace in kind thing. The wording for those last signs to the longer term parking options is not really great for sure, especially since a big part of this is that you have to separate between those that are to the one direction and the super short term in front of the terminal parking that you would go the other way to reach. I don't really know what the "right" answer is on signing this without overloading the sign with too much legend.

The color coding was certainly a big help to separate the destinations, and they got rid of that. Plus the extra “Newark Liberty” legend which is completely useless. Clearly there was no care put into making the signs legible.
Color coding is not MUTCD compliant. Clearly there was no care put into making this comment.

See what I did there?
Blue backgrounds for guide signs and helvetica or whatever that font is aren’t MUTCD compliant either.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3588 on: October 08, 2021, 07:15:16 PM »

They've been pretty good about highlighting the turns to the Cell Phone lot for a while, so that is just basically a replace in kind thing. The wording for those last signs to the longer term parking options is not really great for sure, especially since a big part of this is that you have to separate between those that are to the one direction and the super short term in front of the terminal parking that you would go the other way to reach. I don't really know what the "right" answer is on signing this without overloading the sign with too much legend.

The color coding was certainly a big help to separate the destinations, and they got rid of that. Plus the extra “Newark Liberty” legend which is completely useless. Clearly there was no care put into making the signs legible.
Color coding is not MUTCD compliant. Clearly there was no care put into making this comment.

See what I did there?
Blue backgrounds for guide signs and helvetica or whatever that font is aren’t MUTCD compliant either.

You didn't see what he did there.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3589 on: October 09, 2021, 10:50:40 AM »

I took a virtual drive EB on NJ 49 from Pennsville to Salem and noticed that there are no mileage signs along the route. The first sign I saw was east of Salem just past the Quinton Township line for Bridgetown at 12 miles, Millville at 20, and ultimately Tuckahoe at 40 miles.

Did I zip past a sign as the Goog has the tendency to do it occasionally? Or is the sign at Quinton the first log of communities along the route.

Also I noticed a few other things as well such as the bridge over Salem River that seems like it was built in the 21st Century, and a guide sign in Pennsville at CR 551 for the Delaware Memorial Bridge and NJ Turnpike along with Routes 295 & 40 to use Hook Road instead of continuing on Route 49. I am guessing Route 551 is a de facto bypass of the Pennsville Business District and of course somewhat shorter.
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« Reply #3590 on: October 09, 2021, 10:10:48 PM »

I took a virtual drive EB on NJ 49 from Pennsville to Salem and noticed that there are no mileage signs along the route. The first sign I saw was east of Salem just past the Quinton Township line for Bridgetown at 12 miles, Millville at 20, and ultimately Tuckahoe at 40 miles.

Did I zip past a sign as the Goog has the tendency to do it occasionally? Or is the sign at Quinton the first log of communities along the route.

Also I noticed a few other things as well such as the bridge over Salem River that seems like it was built in the 21st Century, and a guide sign in Pennsville at CR 551 for the Delaware Memorial Bridge and NJ Turnpike along with Routes 295 & 40 to use Hook Road instead of continuing on Route 49. I am guessing Route 551 is a de facto bypass of the Pennsville Business District and of course somewhat shorter.
Mileage signs are generally sparse in NJ.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3591 on: October 11, 2021, 02:12:02 PM »

I am interested in learning more about the Valet Package at the airport
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3592 on: October 11, 2021, 02:27:09 PM »

I am interested in learning more about the Valet Package at the airport

Not currently on offer. They stopped it when Covid became a thing. I'm guessing they plan on starting it again, but it's currently not available, but it's in the P4 garage.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3593 on: October 11, 2021, 10:48:41 PM »

I am interested in learning more about the Valet Package at the airport

Not currently on offer. They stopped it when Covid became a thing. I'm guessing they plan on starting it again, but it's currently not available, but it's in the P4 garage.

Yet every casino in AC offers it again.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3594 on: October 12, 2021, 01:55:58 PM »

Well I see Passaic County signs it’s 600 series routes like this one on River Road in Clifton near the Famous Ruts Hut restaurant.
https://goo.gl/maps/F8xhUvR1sh9PwsCW6

When I lived there Bergen, Hudson, and Passaic Counties were bad at signing 600 series routes as well as some 500 series too. So this is welcome to see for sure.  Oh wait, Bergen don’t have 600 series, but two digit numbers. However the same treatment.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3595 on: October 12, 2021, 02:22:56 PM »

Well I see Passaic County signs it’s 600 series routes like this one on River Road in Clifton near the Famous Ruts Hut restaurant.
https://goo.gl/maps/F8xhUvR1sh9PwsCW6

When I lived there Bergen, Hudson, and Passaic Counties were bad at signing 600 series routes as well as some 500 series too. So this is welcome to see for sure.  Oh wait, Bergen don’t have 600 series, but two digit numbers. However the same treatment.

Hudson and Bergen remain very limited with 600 level signage. Most Bergen ones are very old, the old black on white squares. Hudson is mainly nonexistent, though I think NJDOT posted some EMMs along Paterson Plank Road near 3 and the Eastern Spur in Secaucus/North Bergen area. Hudson mostly doesn’t sign 500s either, but Bergen does sign them fairly well. Passaic seems to sign all its CRs pretty well.
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« Reply #3596 on: October 12, 2021, 07:36:15 PM »

Well I see Passaic County signs it’s 600 series routes like this one on River Road in Clifton near the Famous Ruts Hut restaurant.
https://goo.gl/maps/F8xhUvR1sh9PwsCW6

When I lived there Bergen, Hudson, and Passaic Counties were bad at signing 600 series routes as well as some 500 series too. So this is welcome to see for sure.  Oh wait, Bergen don’t have 600 series, but two digit numbers. However the same treatment.

Hudson and Bergen remain very limited with 600 level signage. Most Bergen ones are very old, the old black on white squares. Hudson is mainly nonexistent, though I think NJDOT posted some EMMs along Paterson Plank Road near 3 and the Eastern Spur in Secaucus/North Bergen area. Hudson mostly doesn’t sign 500s either, but Bergen does sign them fairly well. Passaic seems to sign all its CRs pretty well.
NJDOT is the only one signing the county level systems in Hudson and Bergen.

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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3597 on: October 12, 2021, 09:39:41 PM »

Did they ever sign CR 507 on NJ 17 near Ramsey?  From my research and what AARoads posted its not signed on the large overheads and at the northern terminus of CR 507, there is none from both directions of US 202.  However, US 202 is poorly signed in Bergen as well as the US designation is county maintained like other Bergen roads. 
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3598 on: October 13, 2021, 12:02:13 AM »

Well I see Passaic County signs it’s 600 series routes like this one on River Road in Clifton near the Famous Ruts Hut restaurant.
https://goo.gl/maps/F8xhUvR1sh9PwsCW6

When I lived there Bergen, Hudson, and Passaic Counties were bad at signing 600 series routes as well as some 500 series too. So this is welcome to see for sure.  Oh wait, Bergen don’t have 600 series, but two digit numbers. However the same treatment.

Hudson and Bergen remain very limited with 600 level signage. Most Bergen ones are very old, the old black on white squares. Hudson is mainly nonexistent, though I think NJDOT posted some EMMs along Paterson Plank Road near 3 and the Eastern Spur in Secaucus/North Bergen area. Hudson mostly doesn’t sign 500s either, but Bergen does sign them fairly well. Passaic seems to sign all its CRs pretty well.
NJDOT is the only one signing the county level systems in Hudson and Bergen.

Hudson I believe. But Bergen? There are quite a lot of 500 roads signed well away from NJDOT maintained areas. So… not so sure about that.
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Re: New Jersey
« Reply #3599 on: October 13, 2021, 12:06:07 AM »

Did they ever sign CR 507 on NJ 17 near Ramsey?  From my research and what AARoads posted its not signed on the large overheads and at the northern terminus of CR 507, there is none from both directions of US 202.  However, US 202 is poorly signed in Bergen as well as the US designation is county maintained like other Bergen roads.

I think it may be signed partly now, at least along 7 in spots, but not at 17.

I’ve taken a lot of pics of the roads in Bergen, including many reassurance signs.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Roads_in_Bergen_County,_New_Jersey
I didn’t take every photo here, but if the file name starts with the date and time, then it’s >99% likely mine.
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