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Author Topic: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly  (Read 1387574 times)

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6675 on: October 09, 2021, 05:59:13 PM »

Seen in Culver City, CA (a suburb of Los Angeles).
Do you pay at the Pay Station or at this meter?
If the valet parks someone's car here between 6-9pm on a Tuesday, will it be towed?
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6676 on: October 09, 2021, 10:38:28 PM »

This one as it's longer than most state's longest freeway, but not the longest in this state.


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6677 on: October 10, 2021, 10:22:26 AM »

Seen in Culver City, CA (a suburb of Los Angeles).
Do you pay at the Pay Station or at this meter?
If the valet parks someone's car here between 6-9pm on a Tuesday, will it be towed?
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it seems like a lot of the signs are mutually exclusive. i can't seem to calculate when one can park there.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6678 on: October 10, 2021, 12:32:10 PM »

Seen in Culver City, CA (a suburb of Los Angeles).
Do you pay at the Pay Station or at this meter?
If the valet parks someone's car here between 6-9pm on a Tuesday, will it be towed?
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it seems like a lot of the signs are mutually exclusive. i can't seem to calculate when one can park there.

Safest thing is to follow the most restrictive sign in that situation.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6679 on: October 10, 2021, 12:34:39 PM »

Seen in Culver City, CA (a suburb of Los Angeles).
Do you pay at the Pay Station or at this meter?
If the valet parks someone's car here between 6-9pm on a Tuesday, will it be towed?
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it seems like a lot of the signs are mutually exclusive. i can't seem to calculate when one can park there.

Safest thing is to follow the most restrictive sign in that situation.

But if you're elsewhere and get a valet, and they park it there during the Tuesday restriction...
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6680 on: October 10, 2021, 06:47:04 PM »

A side road off US-522 in Virginia.  You'd think this was obvious, but maybe not.


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6681 on: October 10, 2021, 10:52:54 PM »

A side road off US-522 in Virginia.  You'd think this was obvious, but maybe not.




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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6684 on: October 11, 2021, 03:06:21 AM »

wtf! A warning sign in the middle!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5920952,-82.5718385,3a,44.8y,339.87h,89.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7mkA-UMv82LGFyW2k-u3Iw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

They have it on the other side as well...

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.592915,-82.5718569,3a,75y,188.31h,81.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHO5J0qtdHDlK6n6xLxuouQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Now you CAN say that is unique!


Similar idea, but wrong sign. It’s supposed to be a “Keep right” sign in this case.
That sign is normally used if the road divides to 4 lanes with a median...really. :banghead:
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6685 on: October 11, 2021, 09:39:01 AM »

That sign is used on 2-lane roads that have a median for a brief time.

Here is US 17 in Vanceboro NC - https://goo.gl/maps/d2J6y3e7WDij4cKx7

Here is VA 311 approaching a 'tunnel' under a RR where each side has its own tube - https://goo.gl/maps/zin6JopEA2V64zEK8

Here is SC 64 approaching US 17 ini Jacksonboro SC.  In this case, at no point is there ever a multilane - https://goo.gl/maps/4XucLxFYHKxu5H2R7; https://goo.gl/maps/vcc7sZcDtbSFKrGy5  This sign remains even though they redid this intersection to have no median.

It is even used on a 4 lane undivided road becoming divided for a time.  Here is US 1 near Doswell VA - https://goo.gl/maps/9gPQetTdmst47LQz9
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6686 on: October 11, 2021, 10:09:06 AM »

<snipped> A warning sign in the middle!


Similar idea, but wrong sign. It’s supposed to be a “Keep right” sign in this case.

That sign is normally used if the road divides to 4 lanes with a median...really. :banghead:

You are correct that the Divided Highway warning sign (W6-1) should be on the right side approaching the median.  SkyPesos is also correct that there should be a "Keep Right" sign (R4-7) in the median and also at the railroad bridge support column in the median.  But the Divided Highway sign (W6-1) doesn't necessarily mean multi-lane divided, and should still be used in this situation.

By the way, MUTCD specifically bans this application: "The Divided Highway (W6-1) sign shall not be used instead of a Keep Right (R4-7 series) sign on the approach end of a median island".
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6687 on: October 12, 2021, 08:04:49 AM »

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6688 on: October 12, 2021, 10:31:17 PM »

So you're saying this installation is wrong?

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6689 on: October 12, 2021, 10:38:40 PM »

So you're saying this installation is wrong?


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6690 on: October 12, 2021, 11:49:09 PM »

So you're saying this installation is wrong?


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That would be wrong on even another count, as the sign implies the median island ends when in fact it begins.

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« Reply #6691 on: October 14, 2021, 06:49:02 AM »

So you're saying this installation is wrong?


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That would be wrong on even another count, as the sign implies the median island ends when in fact it begins.
But with a KEEP RIGHT sign like SkyPesos mentioned, I think it will be fine.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6692 on: October 14, 2021, 03:03:52 PM »

So you're saying this installation is wrong?



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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6693 on: October 14, 2021, 04:13:31 PM »

^^^

Why wouldn't turning that "Divided Highway Ends" sign upside down and making it into a "Divided Highway Begins" sign not be appropriate? True, it's not a white "Keep Right" sign but it would be functionally appropriate if it was mounted correctly.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6694 on: October 14, 2021, 04:24:18 PM »

Why wouldn't turning that "Divided Highway Ends" sign upside down and making it into a "Divided Highway Begins" sign not be appropriate? True, it's not a white "Keep Right" sign but it would be functionally appropriate if it was mounted correctly.

In order to be correct, it has to be mounted before the upstream nose of the island so that it warns of the divided-highway condition.  "Keep right" is used on the nose itself because that is where a regulation (keep on your side of the divider) begins.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6695 on: October 14, 2021, 10:12:48 PM »

Also, doesn't divided highway have a clear definition? It may not be legal, but a divided highway has to at least have a median (and multilane from my experiences). That just looks like the road divides (splits into one way couplets) instead of a true divided highway.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6696 on: October 14, 2021, 10:20:29 PM »

Why wouldn't turning that "Divided Highway Ends" sign upside down and making it into a "Divided Highway Begins" sign not be appropriate? True, it's not a white "Keep Right" sign but it would be functionally appropriate if it was mounted correctly.

It's the legal semantics surrounding MUTCD.  A railroad crossing crossbuck sign must be preceded by a railroad crossing warning sign.  Back in my first years of railroading, accidents occurring at a grade crossing with deficient signage could be proven as negligent.  When my railroad decided to quit rolling over in lawsuits, we were constantly reminded to get deficient or incorrect signage replaced.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6697 on: October 14, 2021, 11:43:28 PM »

Why wouldn't turning that "Divided Highway Ends" sign upside down and making it into a "Divided Highway Begins" sign not be appropriate? True, it's not a white "Keep Right" sign but it would be functionally appropriate if it was mounted correctly.

It's the legal semantics surrounding MUTCD.  A railroad crossing crossbuck sign must be preceded by a railroad crossing warning sign.  Back in my first years of railroading, accidents occurring at a grade crossing with deficient signage could be proven as negligent.  When my railroad decided to quit rolling over in lawsuits, we were constantly reminded to get deficient or incorrect signage replaced.
Heh.  One of the difficulties NYSDOT has found in dealing with CSX is their mentality is that accidents are what lawyers are for, rather than taking cheap measures to prevent such (e.g., flaggers and the like).
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6698 on: October 15, 2021, 11:34:33 AM »

Why wouldn't turning that "Divided Highway Ends" sign upside down and making it into a "Divided Highway Begins" sign not be appropriate? True, it's not a white "Keep Right" sign but it would be functionally appropriate if it was mounted correctly.

It's the legal semantics surrounding MUTCD.  A railroad crossing crossbuck sign must be preceded by a railroad crossing warning sign.  Back in my first years of railroading, accidents occurring at a grade crossing with deficient signage could be proven as negligent.  When my railroad decided to quit rolling over in lawsuits, we were constantly reminded to get deficient or incorrect signage replaced.
Heh.  One of the difficulties NYSDOT has found in dealing with CSX is their mentality is that accidents are what lawyers are for, rather than taking cheap measures to prevent such (e.g., flaggers and the like).

KYTC has issues with CSX, too. It's very frustrating.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6699 on: October 15, 2021, 03:44:51 PM »

So you're saying this installation is wrong?



This also looks like an example of excessive signage for something so minor. Do we really need a sign saying 15% grade on a road like this?
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