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Author Topic: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly  (Read 1387488 times)

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6800 on: November 19, 2021, 01:56:37 PM »

Doesn't even look like a speed limit to me. Could just be advisory.
In America, a white rectangle signifies that it is a regulatory sign.

Regulatory color scheme, but that's not really a regulatory message...
Sure it is.  If you fail to go 25 and a kid dies as a result, expect a citation and a point on your driving record.

Just a citation, for KILLING a kid?? In Russia the driver would've gotten prison time, regardless if it's the kid's fault or not.

The American system usually tries to determine fault in an accident and proceeds with guilt or innocence of any crimes, and whose insurance is responsible for paying any claims, accordingly. If you're doing under the speed limit and a kid steps into the street 10 feet ahead of you, there is nothing any driver on Earth could have done to actually react and avoid the collision. That person would probably not even get a citation. If you're doing 70 mph (110 km/h) on a residential street and run over a kid, then you can expect jail time.

American trials usually have a jury determining innocence or guilt, not a judge (who only referees the trial and determines the sentence if the jury finds the defendant guilty). If a reasonable person is likely to think that the driver was not at fault, the state is unlikely to even charge the driver with a crime because it would be a huge waste of time and money to go through the process of taking the matter to court just to get an inevitable not-guilty finding.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6801 on: November 20, 2021, 03:24:24 AM »

Doesn't even look like a speed limit to me. Could just be advisory.
In America, a white rectangle signifies that it is a regulatory sign.

Regulatory color scheme, but that's not really a regulatory message...
Sure it is.  If you fail to go 25 and a kid dies as a result, expect a citation and a point on your driving record.

Just a citation, for KILLING a kid?? In Russia the driver would've gotten prison time, regardless if it's the kid's fault or not.
If you're doing 70 mph (110 km/h) on a residential street and run over a kid, then you can expect jail time.

That's exactly what I was saying would happen in that case, which is the most common out of all the situations in that case. No matter if the kid jumped out in front of the speeder, or if the speeder ran over him.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6802 on: November 21, 2021, 07:27:01 PM »

Doesn't even look like a speed limit to me. Could just be advisory.
In America, a white rectangle signifies that it is a regulatory sign.

Regulatory color scheme, but that's not really a regulatory message...

It should have to be correctly formatted to be valid.  Other than the number, SPEED LIMIT is not designable when it comes to adornments, omitting words, etc. 

Locally, I remember asking about this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/tGndYJt9RoXuP6uG8) over 10 years ago which was put up by the university on what may be a road owned by the university now or still owned by Akron--who knows.  It's tiny, non-reflective, and nonstandard, and therefore not really enforceable.  But they have doubled down with a "Your Speed" sign ahead of that which frowns if you are above 25 and flashes "slow down" if you are above 30.  Still, there is no actual speed limit sign. 

The missing streetlight at a busy crosswalk, which is pitch black when outside of daytime hours, ought to have been fixed but instead we have these crazy signs.

It's worth noting they are capable of fixing inappropriate signs.  This one (https://goo.gl/maps/3sSBFF6kfpacZV6T6) had forever been "15 MPH" in red Helvetica on white until August 2019 when small but correct signs replaced it (facing both ways).  They should have ordered a 25 one for the other location while they were at it.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6803 on: November 22, 2021, 12:48:23 AM »

This one to denote a right lane must turn right is not MUTCD compliant.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6804 on: November 22, 2021, 03:32:52 AM »

The weirdest sign I've ever seen in real life is this one:

It's an "advisory speed limit", but for some reason has a "Your speed" display. Every time we drove past it, it was disabled.
It would make sense if it was an actual maximum speed limit, but I don't understand why it is here.
It's located here: https://www.google.ru/maps/@55.9718966,92.7872783,3a,66.5y,254.58h,91.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRaKsICzdKAuMZE9PJ5Qu3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6805 on: November 22, 2021, 05:16:00 PM »

The weirdest sign I've ever seen in real life is this one:

It's an "advisory speed limit", but for some reason has a "Your speed" display. Every time we drove past it, it was disabled.
It would make sense if it was an actual maximum speed limit, but I don't understand why it is here.
It's located here: https://www.google.ru/maps/@55.9718966,92.7872783,3a,66.5y,254.58h,91.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRaKsICzdKAuMZE9PJ5Qu3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There is a similar type of sign that was installed along Waller Rd in Tacoma, WA for a couple years. Gone now;


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6806 on: November 22, 2021, 05:47:18 PM »

↑ Was that for sure a "your speed" sign? The way it's below a curve sign and having a yellow background, I'd assume it was a variable advisory speed if I never saw it on.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6807 on: November 22, 2021, 06:40:19 PM »

This one to denote a right lane must turn right is not MUTCD compliant.


Where is this? Judging by the sign on the far left (can't see what's on it) it looks like the end of some kind of freeway or something
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6808 on: November 22, 2021, 10:59:13 PM »

A Québec-standard three-way stop plate, but with "ARRÊT STOP" instead of just "ARRÊT" or "STOP":



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Also worth noting is the fact that this ARRÊT STOP is newer than 2001, which is the year where the classic bilingual sign was changed to ARRÊT or STOP. But since this is federal property (Port de Québec), they can do whatever they want.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6809 on: November 22, 2021, 11:38:08 PM »

Also worth noting is the fact that this ARRÊT STOP is newer than 2001, which is the year where the classic bilingual sign was changed to ARRÊT or STOP. But since this is federal property (Port de Québec), they can do whatever they want.

I'm surprised the bilingual signs stuck around that long.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6810 on: November 23, 2021, 03:41:12 AM »

↑ Was that for sure a "your speed" sign? The way it's below a curve sign and having a yellow background, I'd assume it was a variable advisory speed if I never saw it on.
It says "ВАША СКОРОСТЬ" which means "YOUR SPEED".
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6813 on: November 23, 2021, 08:14:03 PM »

↑ Was that for sure a "your speed" sign? The way it's below a curve sign and having a yellow background, I'd assume it was a variable advisory speed if I never saw it on.

In case you were referring to my photo, it was definitely a "your speed" sign as it showing my speed and it was often blinking. The limit is 35 along that road, and the corner has no specific advisory limit because of that. But because traffic along that road frequently exceeds the posted limit (50+ is not uncommon), they installed that sign to, apparently, alert traffic that they may be going a bit quick for the corner.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6814 on: November 23, 2021, 08:37:20 PM »

I thought the sign on the right was pretty ugly. For some reason, despite having less information than the sign on the left, it's slightly taller. And then everything is on one line, making it cramped, despite all of that extra green space.

In reality, the sign on the left is a bit newer, and was made only as tall as necessary. The old sign for that exit, an exit-only sign, was the same height as the sign on the right. Still, the cramping. Yuck.

https://goo.gl/maps/NcvMYDQ71qSowcd2A


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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6815 on: November 23, 2021, 08:45:49 PM »

Elkhart, IN
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6807832,-85.9696134,3a,40.4y,18.72h,89.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAuO_63O1_GCPA1VTJC72kQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Sounds like a way to cause even more traffic than usual when a train crosses.

Makes me think the trains are moving pretty slow through here. Given the length of most freight trains, that could be a pretty long wait.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6817 on: November 23, 2021, 10:27:53 PM »

Not actual signs yet, but they'll be coming in the next couple years with the reconstruction of I-96 in western Oakland County, MI:  SIGNAL AHEAD paired with exit-only arrows.  This is a SPUI interchange.  Similar planned for Beck Road, also a SPUI interchange.

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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6818 on: November 24, 2021, 01:27:23 AM »

https://goo.gl/maps/B9owPfyh7tTzM8Sv6

Still to this day Essex County won’t correct the route error here. It’s supposed to be I-280 not I-287 on this truck guide sign here.

Trucks are banned on Livingston Avenue north of JFK parkway which exchanges with I-280 not I-287.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6820 on: November 27, 2021, 06:44:59 PM »

Flashing yellow lights on a green Entering City and yellow traffic warning sign.  I know you're not supposed to combine regulatory signs with anything else, but there are no rules against warning sign combos.  At night having flashing lights on top of yellow at the bottom looked like it was going to be a Highway Advisory Radio sign.
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« Reply #6821 on: November 27, 2021, 10:34:10 PM »

Flashing yellow lights on a green Entering City and yellow traffic warning sign.  I know you're not supposed to combine regulatory signs with anything else, but there are no rules against warning sign combos.  At night having flashing lights on top of yellow at the bottom looked like it was going to be a Highway Advisory Radio sign.

That might actually be a good example of why this kind of sign may need to exist: an almost totally rural highway that suddenly becomes a narrow suburban four lane expressway with tons of cross and turning traffic.
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Re: Unique, Odd, or Interesting Signs aka The good, the bad, and the ugly
« Reply #6823 on: November 29, 2021, 03:51:09 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/B9owPfyh7tTzM8Sv6

Still to this day Essex County won’t correct the route error here. It’s supposed to be I-280 not I-287 on this truck guide sign here.

Trucks are banned on Livingston Avenue north of JFK parkway which exchanges with I-280 not I-287.

it's not a signage error; you're interpreting it incorrectly.

the sign states that trucks heading towards I-287 must turn left here (prohibiting them from continuing straight to use I-280 for that purpose).
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