I've always been curious about rivalries between cities. In Mississippi, Biloxi and Gulfport supposedly don't like each other. A lady I used to work with years ago that grew up in Biloxi told me that for years, the high school football teams didn't play each other for many years and the one year they finally did, all hell broke loose.
Other rivalries you hear about are usually between large cities, like New York/Boston, Washington/Baltimore, Philadelphia/Pittsburgh, Los Angeles/Bay Area (Dodgers beating up on Giants fan ring a bell?), etc. Heck, the East Coast/West Coast fued. When I lived in San Diego, there was lots of anti-Los Angeles sentiment there. Why, I don't know.
Out of curiosity, is there hate between Dallas and Fort Worth, Raleigh and Durham, Denver and Colorado Springs, Kansas City and St. Louis, etc.?
I know about rivalries in other states, but I'll speak about my own state since it is the one I am most familiar with. In Nebraska, Lincoln and Omaha have had a long rivalry with each other that goes back to the state's early days when the capital was moved from Omaha to Lincoln. The two cities, despite their relative closeness in geography are different in character. Lincoln has always been dominated by state government and the university while Omaha has always been the business center of the state. While the rivalry still continues today in some form, it has diminished in recent years as outward development brings the two cities ever closer together. The two cities on an official level have begun working together more often for regional planning.
NJ has a rivalry with NY and Philly. People in the metro area for one city look down on those in the other metro area.
Dallas and Ft Worth have always had a rivalry. This is one of the reasons that the I-35E/ I-35W setup still exits. Ft worth is a far less important city than Dallas, but they just can't accept it. This has resulted in alot of issues involving airports that were finally resolved with the construction of DFW Airport. Read about the situation here: http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/TX/Airfields_TX_FtWorth_NE.htm#greaterSW (http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/TX/Airfields_TX_FtWorth_NE.htm#greaterSW)
Tucson and Phoenix hate each other. Tucsonans by and large think Phoenix is a godawful hellhole and Phoenicians think Tucson is just a crime-infested extension of Mexico.
I take both sides in that rivalry.
In Kansas it is Sedgwick County versus Johnson County.
Quote from: Brian556 on July 26, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
Dallas and Ft Worth have always had a rivalry. This is one of the reasons that the I-35E/ I-35W setup still exits. Ft worth is a far less important city than Dallas, but they just can't accept it. This has resulted in alot of issues involving airports that were finally resolved with the construction of DFW Airport. Read about the situation here: http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/TX/Airfields_TX_FtWorth_NE.htm#greaterSW (http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/TX/Airfields_TX_FtWorth_NE.htm#greaterSW)
Considering how long it took for Southwest Airlines to get the Wright Amendment repealed (and how aggressively Braniff and American originally fought to stop the airline from existing), I wouldn't say "resolved" is the correct word...more like long-term detente.
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Despite their proximity, I do know Orange County and LA try to consider themselves as entirely separate, incompatible regions (in comparison to how the Bay Area, while a host of distinct areas, tends to be less discrete).
I think most of Tennessee's major cities don't care for Nashville, since it is the high-and-mighty state capital that's experiencing most of the state's growth.
As for Nashville, it has never cared much for Memphis except for the BBQ, respects Knoxville for having the University of Tennessee, likes Chattanooga for its beauty and riverfront, thinks Jackson is a good place to fill up when driving to Tunica, ditto for Cookeville when driving to UT sporting events, thinks Clarksville will be assimilated in the next few years just like Murfreesboro was, and doesn't really know where the Tri-Cities are.
Not really sure about South Carolina city rivalries, but I would imagine that Greenville and Spartanburg don't get along with one another, and that Columbia, despite being the state capital, is probably jealous of Greenville/Spartanburg, Charleston, and Myrtle Beach for generally having more to offer.
Quote from: corco on July 26, 2011, 07:28:50 PM
Tucson and Phoenix hate each other. Tucsonans by and large think Phoenix is a godawful hellhole and Phoenicians think Tucson is just a crime-infested extension of Mexico.
I take both sides in that rivalry.
Tucson is a shitstain in the desert. Phoenix is a somewhat larger shitstain in the desert.
now Scottsdale, on the other hand, is a shitstain smeared on the side of a shitstain.
Meh, New Yorkers hate everybody. OK, well, maybe not hate...but we definitely believe that our city is supreme to all.
What about Minneapolis and St. Paul? Do they like/hate each other?
Cleveland and Columbus (which is funny because plenty of Clevelanders move to Columbus)
Where it used to be New Orleans vs the rest of Louisiana, there seems a more pronounced rivalry between New Orleans and Baton Rouge since the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 26, 2011, 11:07:05 PM
Cleveland and Columbus (which is funny because plenty of Clevelanders move to Columbus)
For some reason, I'd thought there would be a bigger rivalry between Cleveland and Cincinnati, due to sports.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 26, 2011, 07:41:59 PM
In Kansas it is Sedgwick County versus Johnson County.
Don't forget about the Wyandotte County vs Johnson County rivalry either. Johnson County folk are apt to generalize Kansas City, KS as a crime ridden ghetto while Wyandotte County residents consider Johnson County a bunch of Stepford-esque keep up with the Joneses rich snob types that care about nothing more than their pedicured lawns and SUVs and pay boatloads in property tax just for the privilege of having a Shawnee Mission address.
There's a fair bit of Kansas Side vs Missouri Side in the greater Kansas City metro as well.
In Oklahoma, Oklahoma City and Tulsa. It's usually not outright stated but the two often do not really acknowledge the other exists; major goings-on in Tulsa are generally ignored by the OKC media, etc. Jeremy Lance has said that a lot of Tulsans refuse to support the Thunder because they are the Oklahoma
City Thunder and not just the Oklahoma Thunder.
Well in the world of sports, Milwaukee vs. Chicago is always heated. (Cubs are in town this week.)
Also in sports, Chicago vs. St. Louis
Quote from: golden eagle on July 26, 2011, 10:54:17 PM
What about Minneapolis and St. Paul? Do they like/hate each other?
More like than hate. There's such a strong regional identity; people think of themselves as being from the Twin Cities.
There was definitely more animosity in the pre-major-league-sports era. Minneapolis and St Paul had separate minor-league baseball and hockey teams, and those rivalries were quite intense at times.
Quote from: golden eagle on July 27, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 26, 2011, 11:07:05 PM
Cleveland and Columbus (which is funny because plenty of Clevelanders move to Columbus)
For some reason, I'd thought there would be a bigger rivalry between Cleveland and Cincinnati, due to sports.
Columbus is the pretty younger sister that's getting all the attention. Cleveland's just pissy because it was always the biggest and brawniest. In baseball, Cincy and Cleveland are in different leagues and they both suck at football anyway. I've always gotten a sense that Cincy is off doing its own thing, all flirting with Dayton and just being Cincy.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 27, 2011, 02:04:02 PM
Well in the world of sports, Milwaukee vs. Chicago is always heated. (Cubs are in town this week.)
Quote from: Chicagosuburban on July 27, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
Also in sports, Chicago vs. St. Louis
And, again in sports, Chicago vs. Detroit.
Notice a pattern here?
BTW, Go Tigers! :clap: :cheers:
Quote from: golden eagle on July 27, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
For some reason, I'd thought there would be a bigger rivalry between Cleveland and Cincinnati, due to sports.
"You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!" -- former Bengals coach Sam Wyche, addressing a crowd at the old Riverfront Stadium and asking them to quit throwing snowballs onto the field.
In Kentucky, it's basically the rest of the state vs. Louisville. And that does not necessarily have to do with the UK-U of L sports rivalry.
A lot of the small-town rivalries (my home town, Beattyville, vs. Booneville, for example) are based on high school sports rivalries.
Surprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
You just did :P
What about Baltimore vs DC?
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PMSurprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
I was getting around to it, and add:
Pittsburgh/Philadelphia
Pittsburgh/Baltimore
Both of those more so after the Penguins eliminating the Flyers and the Steelers eliminating the Ravens in the respective league playoffs multiple times in recent years.
Quote from: Brian556 on July 26, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
Dallas and Ft Worth have always had a rivalry. This is one of the reasons that the I-35E/ I-35W setup still exits. Ft worth is a far less important city than Dallas, but they just can't accept it. This has resulted in alot of issues involving airports that were finally resolved with the construction of DFW Airport. Read about the situation here: http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/TX/Airfields_TX_FtWorth_NE.htm#greaterSW (http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/TX/Airfields_TX_FtWorth_NE.htm#greaterSW)
and Minneapolis/Saint Paul. Saint Paul actually likes being more cultural and not so "big city" but Fort Worth & Saint Paul need to be comfortable with having I-135 and thus less traffic.
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Quote from: Coelacanth on July 27, 2011, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on July 26, 2011, 10:54:17 PM
What about Minneapolis and St. Paul? Do they like/hate each other?
More like than hate. There's such a strong regional identity; people think of themselves as being from the Twin Cities.
There was definitely more animosity in the pre-major-league-sports era. Minneapolis and St Paul had separate minor-league baseball and hockey teams, and those rivalries were quite intense at times.
No, I'm not from the Twin Cities, I'm from Saint Paul. People who live close by call them "the Cities" but people who live there identify with one or the other. I grew up in a suburb of Minneapolis and couldn't wait to move to the Saint Paul side, which I finally did at age 19.
Well your state does show "Twin Cities" on some BGSs If I recall.
Wisconsin - at least - shows respect for both cities, alternating between them on distance info signs.
Quote from: Master son on July 28, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
Well your state does show "Twin Cities" on some BGSs If I recall.
Wisconsin - at least - shows respect for both cities, alternating between them on distance info signs.
Minneapolis & Saint Paul are alternately listed on I-35 signs. When people ask me where I came from I say "Minnesnowta" and if they ask what city I say Saint Paul. They are quite a bit different at least in the minds of people who live there. At least with Minneapolis's grid you can figure out where youre going and Saint Paul's streets are generally a mess.
Quote from: Master son on July 28, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
Well your state does show "Twin Cities" on some BGSs If I recall.
Wisconsin - at least - shows respect for both cities, alternating between them on distance info signs.
Oklahoma does no such thing. I-35 south goes to "Dallas", and that's it. :P
Quote from: Brandon on July 27, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 27, 2011, 02:04:02 PM
Well in the world of sports, Milwaukee vs. Chicago is always heated. (Cubs are in town this week.)
Quote from: Chicagosuburban on July 27, 2011, 02:51:55 PM
Also in sports, Chicago vs. St. Louis
And, again in sports, Chicago vs. Detroit.
Notice a pattern here?
BTW, Go Tigers! :clap: :cheers:
Milwaukee? How about Green Bay - How 'bout the whole state of Wisconsin :happy:
Likely one of the biggest within Michigan: Manistee vs. Ludington.
Quote from: PAHighways on July 28, 2011, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PMSurprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
I was getting around to it, and add:
Pittsburgh/Philadelphia
Pittsburgh/Baltimore
Both of those more so after the Penguins eliminating the Flyers and the Steelers eliminating the Ravens in the respective league playoffs multiple times in recent years.
If it's sports rivaleries between cities, then Pittsburgh can take a back seat to Dallas, New York, and Washington as far as Philadelphia is concerned.
Otherwise, most of us in Columbus say "Bomb Ann Arbor now!"
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 28, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: PAHighways on July 28, 2011, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PMSurprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
I was getting around to it, and add:
Pittsburgh/Philadelphia
Pittsburgh/Baltimore
Both of those more so after the Penguins eliminating the Flyers and the Steelers eliminating the Ravens in the respective league playoffs multiple times in recent years.
If it's sports rivaleries between cities, then Pittsburgh can take a back seat to Dallas, New York, and Washington as far as Philadelphia is concerned.
Otherwise, most of us in Columbus say "Bomb Ann Arbor now!"
You can take Ann Arbor (it's on-par with C-bus anyway). We'll keep East Lansing and Houghton. :sombrero:
All three (Ann Arbor, C-Bus and East Lansing will bow down to Madison. :happy:
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
Strangely, one guy writen an idea then Pittsburgh and Cleveland should be a regional metro area titled "Cleveburgh"
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11002/1114678-109.stm
As for Cincy, didn't got a rivalry with Louisville as well?
There was also a economic rivalry between Montreal and Toronto and now Montreal is in rivalry with Quebec City. The only rivalry I heard between Edmonton and Calgary are the sports teams.
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Urban Meyer was on ESPNU yesterday doing a report on Utah's football team and he refused to refer to BYU by name. Remember, he used to coach Utah before heading to Florida.
Quote from: golden eagle on August 01, 2011, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Urban Meyer was on ESPNU yesterday doing a report on Utah's football team and he refused to refer to BYU by name. Remember, he used to coach Utah before heading to Florida.
I can't refer to A & M by their state name. Usually I call them aTm or something far worse.
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Pot calling the kettle black?
Quote from: texaskdog on August 01, 2011, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Pot calling the kettle black?
Yeah, really; a place where Mormons get mad? How intense can a rivalry be in a place where nobody drinks?
Just turn it off; like a light switch!
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 01, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
Strangely, one guy writen an idea then Pittsburgh and Cleveland should be a regional metro area titled "Cleveburgh"
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11002/1114678-109.stm
The first line in the article about sums it up.
This idea is just a section of what has been referred to as the Great Lakes Megalopolis or what French geographer Jean Gottmann called "Chipitts."
Quote from: texaskdog on August 01, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on August 01, 2011, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Urban Meyer was on ESPNU yesterday doing a report on Utah's football team and he refused to refer to BYU by name. Remember, he used to coach Utah before heading to Florida.
I can't refer to A & M by their state name. Usually I call them aTm or something far worse.
Like "University of Texas"?
/Ask anyone from our newest member of the Big Ten, Nebraska. :biggrin:
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 01, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
As for Cincy, didn't got a rivalry with Louisville as well?
Louisville is the (AAA) minor league affiliate for Cincinnati. Rivalry?
Quote from: Brandon on August 01, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on August 01, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on August 01, 2011, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Urban Meyer was on ESPNU yesterday doing a report on Utah's football team and he refused to refer to BYU by name. Remember, he used to coach Utah before heading to Florida.
I can't refer to A & M by their state name. Usually I call them aTm or something far worse.
Like "University of Texas"?
/Ask anyone from our newest member of the Big Ten, Nebraska. :biggrin:
Nebraska ran away while they could. One more team to beat up on the University of Minnesota.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 01, 2011, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 01, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
As for Cincy, didn't got a rivalry with Louisville as well?
Louisville is the (AAA) minor league affiliate for Cincinnati. Rivalry?
College basketball, not pro baseball.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 01, 2011, 10:24:15 PM
Louisville is the (AAA) minor league affiliate for Cincinnati. Rivalry?
The colleges, when both were in the old Metro and ConferenceUSA.
The steamboat rivalry, Belle of Louisville vs. Delta Queen, when they run the steamboat race on the Ohio River during Derby Week.
Given the number of people who moved from rural Kentucky (especially my area) northward for jobs, there are probably more Kentuckians in Cincinnati than there are in Louisville! :-D
Quote from: Master son on August 01, 2011, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 01, 2011, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on August 01, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
As for Cincy, didn't got a rivalry with Louisville as well?
Louisville is the (AAA) minor league affiliate for Cincinnati. Rivalry?
College basketball, not pro baseball.
Yes, pro baseball.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/index.jsp?sid=t416
Quote from: PAHighways on July 28, 2011, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 27, 2011, 10:17:02 PMSurprised no one has mentioned Pittsburgh vs. Cleveland.
I was getting around to it, and add:
Pittsburgh/Philadelphia
Pittsburgh/Baltimore
Both of those more so after the Penguins eliminating the Flyers and the Steelers eliminating the Ravens in the respective league playoffs multiple times in recent years.
The purported Pittsburgh/Philadelphia rivalry is completely one-sided.
And speaking personally, I rather like Pittsburgh, am rooting for the Pirates to win that division, and regret that they haven't yet recovered from our sweeping them last weekend. :-)
Quote from: 6a on July 27, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on July 27, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 26, 2011, 11:07:05 PM
Cleveland and Columbus (which is funny because plenty of Clevelanders move to Columbus)
For some reason, I'd thought there would be a bigger rivalry between Cleveland and Cincinnati, due to sports.
Columbus is the pretty younger sister that's getting all the attention. Cleveland's just pissy because it was always the biggest and brawniest. In baseball, Cincy and Cleveland are in different leagues and they both suck at football anyway. I've always gotten a sense that Cincy is off doing its own thing, all flirting with Dayton and just being Cincy.
Does Cincinnati have as much interest in the rest of Ohio as it does in Kentucky? (And there are probably good historic reasons for the Kentucky orientation, i.e., 19th-century commercial patterns.)
Quote from: yanksfan6129 on July 26, 2011, 10:38:14 PM
Meh, New Yorkers hate everybody. OK, well, maybe not hate...but we definitely believe that our city is supreme to all.
And that's why the rest of the country loves you so. [rolleyes]
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:37:53 PMThe purported Pittsburgh/Philadelphia rivalry is completely one-sided.
Depends on the sport as to the one-sidedness.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:37:53 PMAnd speaking personally, I rather like Pittsburgh, am rooting for the Pirates to win that division, and regret that they haven't yet recovered from our sweeping them last weekend. :-)
Don't pat the Phillies on the back for doing that, their slump began after the ump in Atlanta made that horrendous call. No good ever comes when a team from or team member of a Pittsburgh organization visits Georgia. At least the Pens don't have to worry about that for another 20 years if history is any indication.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: 6a on July 27, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Columbus is the pretty younger sister that's getting all the attention. Cleveland's just pissy because it was always the biggest and brawniest. In baseball, Cincy and Cleveland are in different leagues and they both suck at football anyway. I've always gotten a sense that Cincy is off doing its own thing, all flirting with Dayton and just being Cincy.
Does Cincinnati have as much interest in the rest of Ohio as it does in Kentucky? (And there are probably good historic reasons for the Kentucky orientation, i.e., 19th-century commercial patterns.)
The local AM news/talk just concluded a survey re: football loyalties. I'd expected the results to be like this, but I was surprised at the low Bengals tally. I'd say that lines up with the feelings in general.
Who's your NFL team?
Browns
41.80 %
Bengals
15.16 %
Steelers
27.05 %
Colts
6.15 %
Other
9.84 %
Quote from: PAHighways on August 07, 2011, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:37:53 PMThe purported Pittsburgh/Philadelphia rivalry is completely one-sided.
Depends on the sport as to the one-sidedness.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:37:53 PMAnd speaking personally, I rather like Pittsburgh, am rooting for the Pirates to win that division, and regret that they haven't yet recovered from our sweeping them last weekend. :-)
Don't pat the Phillies on the back for doing that, their slump began after the ump in Atlanta made that horrendous call. No good ever comes when a team from or team member of a Pittsburgh organization visits Georgia. At least the Pens don't have to worry about that for another 20 years if history is any indication.
If you read from the start of the thread, we weren't necessarily talking sports rivalries. I figured it was more economic/cultural stuff, long predating the existence of major sports. I was being tongue-in-cheek about the Philadelphia/Pittsburgh rivalry being one-sided, but on the other hand, we're awfully close to New York and Washington, as close to Boston as to Pittsburgh, and considerably larger than Pittsburgh, so Pittsburgh's sort of easy to ignore, in fields other than state politics. THAT SAID, it's remarkably pushy of the Steelers to have an FM station in Harrisburg carrying their games; there are five NFL teams closer to Harrisburg than the Steelers are, one of them in the same state.
Also, I couldn't care less about the NHL or NBA.
Quote from: 6a on August 07, 2011, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: 6a on July 27, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Columbus is the pretty younger sister that's getting all the attention. Cleveland's just pissy because it was always the biggest and brawniest. In baseball, Cincy and Cleveland are in different leagues and they both suck at football anyway. I've always gotten a sense that Cincy is off doing its own thing, all flirting with Dayton and just being Cincy.
Does Cincinnati have as much interest in the rest of Ohio as it does in Kentucky? (And there are probably good historic reasons for the Kentucky orientation, i.e., 19th-century commercial patterns.)
The local AM news/talk just concluded a survey re: football loyalties. I'd expected the results to be like this, but I was surprised at the low Bengals tally. I'd say that lines up with the feelings in general.
Who's your NFL team?
Browns
41.80 %
Bengals
15.16 %
Steelers
27.05 %
Colts
6.15 %
Other
9.84 %
Local = Columbus?
I once left my parents' in New Jersey one late-fall afternoon, a bit before sunset, and had the radio set to WTAM 1100 in Cleveland (I'd been playing with AM the night before, I guess). Oddly, not only was it coming in 400 miles away before dark, it was carrying a Bengals broadcast.
Quote from: 6a on August 07, 2011, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: 6a on July 27, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Columbus is the pretty younger sister that's getting all the attention. Cleveland's just pissy because it was always the biggest and brawniest. In baseball, Cincy and Cleveland are in different leagues and they both suck at football anyway. I've always gotten a sense that Cincy is off doing its own thing, all flirting with Dayton and just being Cincy.
Does Cincinnati have as much interest in the rest of Ohio as it does in Kentucky? (And there are probably good historic reasons for the Kentucky orientation, i.e., 19th-century commercial patterns.)
The local AM news/talk just concluded a survey re: football loyalties. I'd expected the results to be like this, but I was surprised at the low Bengals tally. I'd say that lines up with the feelings in general.
Who's your NFL team?
Browns
41.80 %
Bengals
15.16 %
Steelers
27.05 %
Colts
6.15 %
Other
9.84 %
It's interesting how these in-between cities break down their sports loyalties.
A couple of years ago I was in a sports-bar type place in Iowa City on an NFL gameday. There were separate, approximately equal-sized groups watching the Bears, Packers, Vikings, Chiefs and Rams. I would guess the Bears group was the largest, and the Packers were obviously the most annoying.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 11:17:10 PMIf you read from the start of the thread, we weren't necessarily talking sports rivalries. I figured it was more economic/cultural stuff, long predating the existence of major sports.
My original reply was addressing sports and non-sports rivalries.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 11:17:10 PMTHAT SAID, it's remarkably pushy of the Steelers to have an FM station in Harrisburg carrying their games; there are five NFL teams closer to Harrisburg than the Steelers are, one of them in the same state.
Why should the Steelers concede the capital of the state they are based in to other teams that aren't in this state? There are people living in the Mid-State region who are Steeler fans, and one of them is in the Governor's Mansion.
Quote from: Coelacanth on August 08, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
A couple of years ago I was in a sports-bar type place in Iowa City on an NFL gameday. There were separate, approximately equal-sized groups watching the Bears, Packers, Vikings, Chiefs and Rams. I would guess the Bears group was the largest, and the Packers were obviously the most annoying.
That's why we have the Punch A Packer Person Polka (http://www.justonebadcentury.com/audio/Punch_Packer_Person_Polka.mp3). :pan:
Quote from: PAHighways on August 08, 2011, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 11:17:10 PMIf you read from the start of the thread, we weren't necessarily talking sports rivalries. I figured it was more economic/cultural stuff, long predating the existence of major sports.
My original reply was addressing sports and non-sports rivalries.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 11:17:10 PMTHAT SAID, it's remarkably pushy of the Steelers to have an FM station in Harrisburg carrying their games; there are five NFL teams closer to Harrisburg than the Steelers are, one of them in the same state.
Why should the Steelers concede the capital of the state they are based in to other teams that aren't in this state? There are people living in the Mid-State region who are Steeler fans, and one of them is in the Governor's Mansion.
As long as they're not expecting the Eagles concede a share of the capital of their state to a team from a far smaller city twice as far away :-P (Um, I mean the Eagles' share. I'm not saying they can't have one.)
Now, here's an interesting map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MLB_Blackout_Areas.png
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
Now, here's an interesting map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MLB_Blackout_Areas.png
Here's a much better version of that map:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wvoLtwni0kc/RhUvZd19-xI/AAAAAAAAHg4/nE8fsbE7hmg/s1600-h/MLBBLACKOUT.jpg
Quote from: Brandon on August 01, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on August 01, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on August 01, 2011, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Urban Meyer was on ESPNU yesterday doing a report on Utah's football team and he refused to refer to BYU by name. Remember, he used to coach Utah before heading to Florida.
I can't refer to A & M by their state name. Usually I call them aTm or something far worse.
Like "University of Texas"?
/Ask anyone from our newest member of the Big Ten, Nebraska. :biggrin:
That would be me. Actually, I don't like A&M or Texas. A&M has what I call the "Boston Red Sox complex"-they're so obsessed with not being like their main rival that they don't realize how much they are like them anyway. A&M is to Texas like the Red Sox are to the Yankees. Both are teams with huge natural fanbases with great resources and big egos to match-not really much difference between the two from an outsider's perspective.
Quote from: Brandon on August 08, 2011, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: Coelacanth on August 08, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
A couple of years ago I was in a sports-bar type place in Iowa City on an NFL gameday. There were separate, approximately equal-sized groups watching the Bears, Packers, Vikings, Chiefs and Rams. I would guess the Bears group was the largest, and the Packers were obviously the most annoying.
That's why we have the Punch A Packer Person Polka (http://www.justonebadcentury.com/audio/Punch_Packer_Person_Polka.mp3). :pan:
This is what gets me about Bear fans. You can not have a civilized conversation with one when it comes to football. Bear fans refuse to acknowledge the gift of a win the Bears got in the season opener against the Lions. The also always seem to omit the fact that the team was remarkably healthy last year.
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 09, 2011, 06:09:51 PM
the gift of a win the Bears got in the season opener against the Lions.
the Lions being on the schedule is gift enough already...
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2011, 08:23:42 PMAs long as they're not expecting the Eagles concede a share of the capital of their state to a team from a far smaller city twice as far away :-P (Um, I mean the Eagles' share. I'm not saying they can't have one.)
I think you can rest assured that is not their plan.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on August 09, 2011, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 01, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on August 01, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on August 01, 2011, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2011, 09:15:13 PM
Salt Lake City and Provo, sports and otherwise. Salt Lake City has the University of Utah, and Provo has Brigham Young University. The rivalry between the two universities is intense. Outside the realm of collegiate athletics, Provo sees Salt Lake as a den of iniquity, while Salt Lake sees Provo as an insular Mormon enclave. Can't get much better than that.
Urban Meyer was on ESPNU yesterday doing a report on Utah's football team and he refused to refer to BYU by name. Remember, he used to coach Utah before heading to Florida.
I can't refer to A & M by their state name. Usually I call them aTm or something far worse.
Like "University of Texas"?
/Ask anyone from our newest member of the Big Ten, Nebraska. :biggrin:
That would be me. Actually, I don't like A&M or Texas. A&M has what I call the "Boston Red Sox complex"-they're so obsessed with not being like their main rival that they don't realize how much they are like them anyway. A&M is to Texas like the Red Sox are to the Yankees. Both are teams with huge natural fanbases with great resources and big egos to match-not really much difference between the two from an outsider's perspective.
I know they have their fans but aTm's whole season resolves around being UT. UT's season is about trying to win the championship, and of course beating OU & aTm both among other tough opponents. No championship for UT this year though, sadly.
What's most annoying about Red Sox fans is they think they are so different & less obnoxious than Yankee fans.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 09, 2011, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on August 09, 2011, 06:09:51 PM
the gift of a win the Bears got in the season opener against the Lions.
the Lions being on the schedule is gift enough already...
I remember the creampuff schedule the Viqueens had 2 years ago and everyone thought Farve was so awesome. They managed to play every crappy team in the league that year. Last year they didn't get that gift.
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Quote from: 6a on August 07, 2011, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 07, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: 6a on July 27, 2011, 04:46:17 PM
Columbus is the pretty younger sister that's getting all the attention. Cleveland's just pissy because it was always the biggest and brawniest. In baseball, Cincy and Cleveland are in different leagues and they both suck at football anyway. I've always gotten a sense that Cincy is off doing its own thing, all flirting with Dayton and just being Cincy.
Does Cincinnati have as much interest in the rest of Ohio as it does in Kentucky? (And there are probably good historic reasons for the Kentucky orientation, i.e., 19th-century commercial patterns.)
The local AM news/talk just concluded a survey re: football loyalties. I'd expected the results to be like this, but I was surprised at the low Bengals tally. I'd say that lines up with the feelings in general.
Who's your NFL team?
Browns
41.80 %
Bengals
15.16 %
Steelers
27.05 %
Colts
6.15 %
Other
9.84 %
The Browns that play in Baltimore now or the Faux Browns?
It's Favre, and the Lions are not creampuffs (three blind mice screwed them out of a win in Week 1 at Chicago last year).
And there are no such thing as the Faux Browns. The Ravens are technically an expansion club.
Quote from: ftballfan on August 11, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
It's Favre, and the Lions are not creampuffs (three blind mice screwed them out of a win in Week 1 at Chicago last year).
And there are no such thing as the Faux Browns. The Ravens are technically an expansion club.
and there is also a "hole" in their history where they flew into outer space and playe din the intergalactic league for a year.
I have no beef with the lions....tying the Viqueens record last year was a great gift
Quote from: texaskdog on August 11, 2011, 02:07:37 PM
I have no beef with the lions....tying the Viqueens record last year was a great gift
And the remarkable thing is that the Lions were as successful as the Vikings despite using a third string QB for a couple of games and the starting QB missing most of the season.
Quote from: texaskdog on August 11, 2011, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on August 11, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
It's Favre, and the Lions are not creampuffs (three blind mice screwed them out of a win in Week 1 at Chicago last year).
And there are no such thing as the Faux Browns. The Ravens are technically an expansion club.
and there is also a "hole" in their history where they flew into outer space and playe din the intergalactic league for a year.
And the original Colts (that migrated from the AAFC, with the 49ers & Browns before the 1950 season) folded after one year later and were replaced by the original Dallas Texans starting in 1953. So there is presidence for breaks in one's franchise's existance.
The good thing about the Browns moving to Baltimore and a new Browns franchise starting up in Cleveland is that it gave me two sets of Cleveland Browns to hate! :clap: :-D
Quote from: ftballfan on August 11, 2011, 02:04:11 PMAnd there are no such thing as the Faux Browns.
True, as Steelers radio play-by-play man Bill Hillgrove referred to them once as the "recycled Browns."
I've often wondered how Columbus' NFL loyalties broke down. They're within easy driving distance from Cleveland, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis isn't too far away. Heck, Detroit isn't too terribly far either. Wilmington and Philadelphia have five teams within such easy driving distances (Eagles, Ravens, Redskins, Jets & Giants).
Quote from: golden eagle on August 16, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
I've often wondered how Columbus' NFL loyalties broke down. They're within easy driving distance from Cleveland, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis isn't too far away. Heck, Detroit isn't too terribly far either. Wilmington and Philadelphia have five teams within such easy driving distances (Eagles, Ravens, Redskins, Jets & Giants).
Somehow I sincerely doubt that much if anybody in Columbus roots for the Lions. They're too near that which damn near everybody in Columbus seems to hate with a passion.
Quote from: golden eagle on August 16, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
I've often wondered how Columbus' NFL loyalties broke down. They're within easy driving distance from Cleveland, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis isn't too far away. Heck, Detroit isn't too terribly far either. Wilmington and Philadelphia have five teams within such easy driving distances (Eagles, Ravens, Redskins, Jets & Giants).
[shudder] You root for the Giants around here, you keep it quiet.
Quote from: golden eagle on August 16, 2011, 12:13:36 AM
I've often wondered how Columbus' NFL loyalties broke down. They're within easy driving distance from Cleveland, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis isn't too far away. Heck, Detroit isn't too terribly far either. Wilmington and Philadelphia have five teams within such easy driving distances (Eagles, Ravens, Redskins, Jets & Giants).
C-bus (originally) was a Browns/Reds town. Browns games were generally given preference over the Bengals and Steelers, while the CBS affliate would show whatever national game they had (exception being when Cleveland or Cincy hosted a NFC team). Whereas with baseball we always had the Reds local broadcasts, but no Indian games (except for the '87 season).
Thanks to Browns exit and subsequent retchedness and the Bengals elongated retchedness (dating back to the start of the 1990s after the passing of patriarch Paul Brown), the Steelers have aquired a sizeable following over the last decade plus. Beyond that we have our share of Cowboys, Colts, Raiders, and Bears fans. And one Eagles fan. ;)
My Dad split his life between Columbus and Dayton from the 50s to the 90s and ended up a Reds/Bengals fan- doesn't like the Browns/Indians and hates the Lions/Tigers simply because they're in Michigan.
He always said the only thing you should ever do that's Michigan related is always buy a car from a Detroit-based manufacturer.
Quote from: corco on August 18, 2011, 08:25:59 PM
My Dad split his life between Columbus and Dayton from the 50s to the 90s and ended up a Reds/Bengals fan- doesn't like the Browns/Indians and hates the Lions/Tigers simply because they're in Michigan.
He always said the only thing you should ever do that's Michigan related is always buy a car from a Detroit-based manufacturer.
And the only thing you should ever do that's Ohio related is Cedar Point.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
Now, here's an interesting map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MLB_Blackout_Areas.png
That map has been much discussed on some other forums I visit. Pretty much the deal is that, except for modifications related to expansion, it dates to the late 1970s, long before the regional sports network was even thought of, for radio purposes. Each team was allowed to make whatever claim it wanted, which lead to "overlaps". Rather than fight it out or think it through, the MLB management has just let the thing fester. Obviously there are plenty of areas, including mine, claimed as "home territory" by teams that have no traction locally at all.
BTW the map is slightly out of date as the two Florida teams no longer divide the state, but, like the two Texas teams, just make a joint claim to the entire place now.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 19, 2011, 07:25:40 AM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 08, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
Now, here's an interesting map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MLB_Blackout_Areas.png
That map has been much discussed on some other forums I visit. Pretty much the deal is that, except for modifications related to expansion, it dates to the late 1970s, long before the regional sports network was even thought of, for radio purposes. Each team was allowed to make whatever claim it wanted, which lead to "overlaps". Rather than fight it out or think it through, the MLB management has just let the thing fester. Obviously there are plenty of areas, including mine, claimed as "home territory" by teams that have no traction locally at all.
BTW the map is slightly out of date as the two Florida teams no longer divide the state, but, like the two Texas teams, just make a joint claim to the entire place now.
In that case, I wonder why the Phillies didn't claim a bit more of Pennsylvania. There's an awful lot of Pirates-only territory right up to the midpoint of the state, and an awful lot of Pirates overlap in the east. (Pirate fans in Pike County (the area across the Delaware from Port Jervis, N.Y., which I believe the FCC classifies as the New York City market for cable must-carry purposes)? Seriously?)
I road-tripped to Manassas, Va., for the anniversary of First Bull Run last month, used the Turnpike and US 15 to avoid Baltimore and Washington traffic, and was able to listen to the Phillies (who were at Wrigley that afternoon) all the way to Frederick, Md., thanks to an AM station in Gettysburg. A place which shows up on this map as Pirates/Orioles/Nationals territory, but which is certainly much closer to us than it is to *#$%ing Pittsburgh. Sometimes I think Philadelphians, no doubt a consequence of being so close to New York, are unaware that we're - what is it now, the 5th or 6th? - largest city in the country. Or else they (I'm not a native) are naturally modest.
I wonder why the entire state of Iowa is split 5 ways. Central Iowa, I can understand. But here in eastern Iowa, It's pretty much split between Chicago and St. Louis. Likewise, western Iowa should (never been there, so I can't justify) lean towards Kansas City, with a few St. Louis and Minnesota fans.
The following is not my work, but is the best of many attempts to normalize MLB's blackout maps, with some modifications of my own, note that "DMA" is a term for county-line based areas drawn by the Nielsen Company for TV ratings purposes, and many maps of these are on line. Also note that the two Texas and two Florida teams have decided on their own to not try to divide their home states, but rather give the entire areas access to both teams:
ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS
All of Arizona and New Mexico
ATLANTA BRAVES
All of Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina
All of Mississippi except counties in Memphis DMA
All of North Carolina except Counties in Norfolk and Greenville-Washington-New Bern DMAs
Eastern 2/3 of Tennessee (i.e. entrie state except counties in Memphis, Jackson and Cape Girardeau-Paducah DMAs)
FL Counties of Mobile-Pensacola DMA
BALTIMORE ORIOLES and WASHINGTON NATIONALS
All of Maryland except Garrett County (Pittsburgh DMA)
All of Virginia except counties in Bristol-Kingsport and Beckley-Bluefield DMAs
Washington DC
Sussex County DE (i.e. all of DE South of Dover)
PA counties in Harrisburg and Washington DC DMAs
WV counties in Harrisonburg VA and Washington DC DMAs
NC counties in Norfolk and Greenville-Washington-New Bern DMAs
BOSTON RED SOX
All of New England except SW Connecticut
NY Counties of Albany and Burlington VT DMAs
CHICAGO CUBS and WHITE SOX
Northern 2/3 of Illinois and Indiana (Chicago, Rockford, South Bend, Fort Wayne, Quad Cities, Peoria, Quincy, Springfield-Champaign, Terre Haute, Lafayette IN, Indianapolis DMAs)
Eastern 1/3 of Iowa (Quad Cities, Cedar Rapids, Quincy DMAs)
CINCINNATI REDS
All of Ohio except counties in Cleveland, Youngstown and Wheeling DMAs
All of West Virginia except counties in Washington DC, Harrisonburg VA, Pittsburgh and Wheeling DMAs
Southern 2/3 of Indiana (Indianapolis, Lafayette IN, Dayton, Cincinnati, Louisville DMAs)
Eastern 2/3 of Kentucky (i.e. entire state except Evansville and Cape Girardeau-Paducah DMAs)
Far SW Virginia (counties in Beckley-Bluefield and Bristol-Kingsport DMAs)
CLEVELAND INDIANS
Cleveland, Youngstown, Columbus OH, Zanesville, Lima, Erie DMAs
OH Counties of Toledo and Fort Wayne DMAs
COLORADO ROCKIES
All of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming
All of Montana except Counties in Missoula and Spokane DMAs
Eastern Counties of Idaho (i.e. counties in Pocatello and SLC DMAs)
SD Counties of Rapid City DMA
Western Nebraska (counties in Denver, Rapid City and Cheyenne DMAs)
NV Counties of SLC DMA
DETROIT TIGERS
All of Michigan
Toledo DMA
FLORIDA MARLINS
Miami, West Palm Beach, Fort Myers, Orlando DMAs
HOUSTON ASTROS
Austin, Beaumont, Corpus Christi, Harlingen-Brownsville, Houston, Laredo, San Antonio, Tyler, Victoria, Waco DMAs in Texas plus TX Counties of Shreveport DMA
All of Louisiana
AR Counties in Shreveport, Monroe-El Dorado and Greenville-Greenwood DMAs
McCurtain County OK (the one OK county in the Shreveport DMA)
KANSAS CITY ROYALS
All of Missouri except Counties in St. Louis, Quincy and Cape Girardeau-Paducah DMAs
All of Kansas
All of Nebraska except Counties in Denver, Cheyenne and Rapid City DMAs
IA Counties of Omaha, Des Moines and Kirksville-Ottumwa DMAs
AR Counties in Fort Smith-Fayetteville and Springfield MO DMAs
OK Counties in Tulsa, Joplin and Fort Smith-Fayetteville DMAs
LOS ANGELES ANGELS and DODGERS
All of Southern California except San Diego County (Los Angeles, Bakersfield, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara, Yuma DMAs)
Las Vegas DMA
(All of Hawaii)
MILWAUKEE BREWERS
All of Wisconsin except counties in Minneapolis-St. Paul and Duluth DMAs
MINNESOTA TWINS
All of Minnesota
All of North and South Dakota
IA counties of Des Moines, Sioux Falls, Sioux City, Rochester-Mason City DMAs
WI counties of Minneapolis-St. Paul, Duluth and La Crosse-Eau Claire DMAs
NEW YORK METS and YANKEES
All of New York state
All of Connecticut
Northern New Jersey (Counties in NYC DMA)
Northeastern PA (Counties in NYC, Scranton, Elmira DMAs)
All of Vermont except Windham County (Boston DMA)
Berkshire County MA (Albany DMA)
OAKLAND ATHLETICS and SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
All of Northern California (San Francisco, Sacramento, Fresno, Monterey, Chico-Redding, Eureka, Medford, Reno DMAs)
NV Counties of Reno DMA
OR Counties of Medford DMA
PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
Philadelphia, Scranton, Harrisburg DMAs
PITTSBURGH PIRATES
Pittsburgh, Wheeling, Youngstown, Johnstown-Altoona, Erie, Clarksburg-Weston DMAs
PA Counties of Buffalo DMA
ST. LOUIS CARDINALS
All of Missouri except Counties in Kansas City, St. Joseph and Omaha DMAs
All of Illinois except Counties in Chicago and Rockford DMAs
All of Arkansas except Counties in Shreveport, Monroe-El Dorado and Greenville-Greenwood DMAs
Eastern 1/3 of Iowa (Cedar Rapids, Quad Cities, Kirksville-Ottumwa, Quincy DMAs)
Western 1/3 of Kentucky (Cape Girardeau-Paducah, Evansville DMAs)
Western 1/3 of Tennessee (Cape Girardeau-Paducah, Jackson TN, Memphis DMAs)
IN Counties of Terre Haute and Evansville DMAs
KS Counties of Joplin and Tulsa DMAs
MS Counties of Memphis DMA
OK Counties of Tulsa, Joplin and Fort Smith-Fayetteville DMAs
SAN DIEGO PADRES
San Diego and Imperial Counties in California
SEATTLE MARINERS
All of Washington State and Oregon
All of Idaho except Counties in Pocatello and SLC DMAs
MT counties of Spokane and Missoula DMAs
(All of Alaska)
TEXAS RANGERS
TX Counties of following DMAs: Dallas-Fort Worth, Sherman-Ada, Shreveport, Waco, Tyler, Wichita Falls, Abilene, San Angelo, Midland-Odessa, El Paso, Amarillo, Lubbock, Austin, San Antonio
LA Parishes of Shreveport and Monroe-El Dorado DMAs
AR Counties of Shreveport, Monroe-El Dorado and Greenville-Greenwood DMAs
All of Oklahoma except Counties in Tulsa, Joplin and Fort Smith-Fayetteville DMAs
TAMPA BAY RAYS
All of Florida except counties in Miami, Mobile and West Palm Beach DMAs
^^I was looking recently for on-line maps of the FCC-defined markets (which they use for must-carry purposes), which may or may not be identical to the Nielsen DMAs. I know I saw them in a print source 20 years ago, although I forget which. Where did you find the Nielsen maps (or have you seen an FCC map)?
Fayetteville & Springdale Arkansas
Both High Schools are the Bulldogs (Fayetteville is Purple, Springdale is Red). There seems to be a passionate dislike between the 2 schools.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 20, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
^^I was looking recently for on-line maps of the FCC-defined markets (which they use for must-carry purposes), which may or may not be identical to the Nielsen DMAs. I know I saw them in a print source 20 years ago, although I forget which. Where did you find the Nielsen maps (or have you seen an FCC map)?
The FCC has several maps for several different purposes. The rules for cable and sat. are different, and the rules for "must carry" are different again. Nielsen also moves counties around from year to year, generally places on the border between two markets because viewing habits will change (for example, in my area Athens Co. moves between Huntington-Charleston and Columbus over and over, because cable carries both and its more or less random which most people watch).
In any event, a "pirate" copy, with clickable maps, can be found here:
http://www.truckads.com/licensed_affiliates1.asp#usamap
I know Portland, OR and Seattle, WA have a rivalry going on with MLS.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 20, 2011, 01:18:52 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 20, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
^^I was looking recently for on-line maps of the FCC-defined markets (which they use for must-carry purposes), which may or may not be identical to the Nielsen DMAs. I know I saw them in a print source 20 years ago, although I forget which. Where did you find the Nielsen maps (or have you seen an FCC map)?
The FCC has several maps for several different purposes. The rules for cable and sat. are different, and the rules for "must carry" are different again. Nielsen also moves counties around from year to year, generally places on the border between two markets because viewing habits will change (for example, in my area Athens Co. moves between Huntington-Charleston and Columbus over and over, because cable carries both and its more or less random which most people watch).
In any event, a "pirate" copy, with clickable maps, can be found here:
http://www.truckads.com/licensed_affiliates1.asp#usamap
Cool! Thanks!
Quote from: drummer_evans_aki on August 20, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
I know Portland, OR and Seattle, WA have a rivalry going on with MLS.
They presumably used to with the NBA as well.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 20, 2011, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: drummer_evans_aki on August 20, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
I know Portland, OR and Seattle, WA have a rivalry going on with MLS.
They presumably used to with the NBA as well.
Yes they did. I believe the Minor League Baseball teams had a rivalry between Portland (San Diego's former AAA club) and Tacoma (Seattle's AAA club)
Quote from: SP Cook on August 20, 2011, 09:13:10 AM
The following is not my work, but is the best of many attempts to normalize MLB's blackout maps, with some modifications of my own, note that "DMA" is a term for county-line based areas drawn by the Nielsen Company for TV ratings purposes, and many maps of these are on line. Also note that the two Texas and two Florida teams have decided on their own to not try to divide their home states, but rather give the entire areas access to both teams:
.......
PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
Philadelphia, Scranton, Harrisburg DMAs
......
Ocean County although part of the NYC DMA and defiantly a Giants area, Should be included with the Phillies, there is a Phillies farm team in Lakewood( the BlueClaws) and there are quite a few Phillies fans
Quote from: Michael in Philly on August 20, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
^^I was looking recently for on-line maps of the FCC-defined markets (which they use for must-carry purposes), which may or may not be identical to the Nielsen DMAs. I know I saw them in a print source 20 years ago, although I forget which. Where did you find the Nielsen maps (or have you seen an FCC map)?
Here's another map-this is the one I prefer:
http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/ (http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/)
I live in between Portland and Seattle, and it is kind of a one sided rivalry. Portland is always looking to compare, contrast, and measure up to Seattle while Seattle doesn't really care much about Portland, except about 4 times a year before a greedy Starbucks founder and CEO shipped the Sonics off to tornado alley.
Quote from: Landshark on September 09, 2011, 09:43:58 PM
I live in between Portland and Seattle, and it is kind of a one sided rivalry. Portland is always looking to compare, contrast, and measure up to Seattle while Seattle doesn't really care much about Portland, except about 4 times a year before a greedy Starbucks founder and CEO shipped the Sonics off to tornado alley.
It's really a no-sided rivalry, as Portlanders don't really care about Seattle to the extent you imply. Unless they have a team in the particular sport (basketball, soccer), Portlanders & Oregonians generally support the Seattle teams (Mariners, Seahawks); I've actually heard a Portland-station news anchor refer to "our Seahawks." And politically, socially, etc., Portland pretty much charts its own course and doesn't follow Seattle all that much. So I don't really see this "rivalry" as very strong on this end, either. I see a lot more animosity in Oregon aimed at California.