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Started by peterj920, February 24, 2019, 09:44:39 PM

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SEWIGuy

I should also say its funny in retrospect to see what has happened to Fish Hatchery.  Growing up in the 70s and 80s, once you got south of the apartments just off the Beltline, it was a completely rural road.  And until the early 90s, was routed along what is now "Glacier Valley Road."  Where the road runs now south of McKee Road (CTH PD) was a field where the dairy cows on a friend's farm used to graze.

There were no restaurants south of the Beltline either, except for a Bridgeman's, which was located in the current Park Bank building.


triplemultiplex

Now that fringe is just past TriNorth at the top of the hill after Lacy Rd (another corridor that's seen considerable change in the last decade.)
It's interesting though that despite being such a large area, Fitchburg has managed to not let development 'leap-frog' the urban fringe very much as it's grown.  Compared to the west side which has become a hodge-podge of subdivisions and farm fields, the edge of the 'city' in Fitchburg is nice and 'clean'.

14 is very much a Fish Hatch alternate ever since Lacy Rd was rerouted to a new interchange c. 2012.  It's even signed as much right now.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 05, 2020, 12:09:37 PM
Now that fringe is just past TriNorth at the top of the hill after Lacy Rd (another corridor that's seen considerable change in the last decade.)
It's interesting though that despite being such a large area, Fitchburg has managed to not let development 'leap-frog' the urban fringe very much as it's grown.  Compared to the west side which has become a hodge-podge of subdivisions and farm fields, the edge of the 'city' in Fitchburg is nice and 'clean'.

14 is very much a Fish Hatch alternate ever since Lacy Rd was rerouted to a new interchange c. 2012.  It's even signed as much right now.

Thanks for the info on the alternatives.  Haven't been to the area for about five years and haven't lived there for 30, so I wouldn't know.

Another classmate of mine grew up on a farm at the southeast corner of Lacy and Fish Hatchery.  Right where the big tech park is right now.

triplemultiplex

Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 05, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
Another classmate of mine grew up on a farm at the southeast corner of Lacy and Fish Hatchery.  Right where the big tech park is right now.

And literally where I am sitting at this moment. ;)
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

peterj920

I'm surrounded by construction. Fish Hatchery under construction, McKee under construction from Seminole Hwy to Fitchrona, and US 14 down to 1 lane for bridge work.

triplemultiplex

#55
I-39/90 traffic is now using the new NB carriageway through the Beltline Interchange.  The NB exit toward Madison is finally on the right.
The ramp from the Beltline EB to NB 39/90 is a bit sticky right now in its temporary configuration which shunts it down to one lane before it joins the interstate.  Consistently backed up.  But that will go away once the lanes are in final configuration.

Meanwhile, they are closing in on completion of the Beltline's flex lane project.  The median barrier is mostly complete and just a few more sections of lane need a final course of asphalt.  None of the signage is up yet, though.  The flex lane is supposed to be up and running in November.

And in future news, looks like WisDOT is moving forward with construction of an interchange at US 12/18 and CTH AB out past the casino and landfill:
https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/projects/by-region/sw/us1218-countyab/overview-feb2021.pdf
The alignment of the new interchange might seem weird, but it's meant to accommodate a future relocation of CTH AB as a major divided artery from here to north of Femrite Rd.
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

hobsini2

Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 24, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
I-39/90 traffic is now using the new NB carriageway through the Beltline Interchange.  The NB exit toward Madison is finally on the right.
The ramp from the Beltline EB to NB 39/90 is a bit sticky right now in its temporary configuration which shunts it down to one lane before it joins the interstate.  Consistently backed up.  But that will go away once the lanes are in final configuration.

Meanwhile, they are closing in on completion of the Beltline's flex lane project.  The median barrier is mostly complete and just a few more sections of lane need a final course of asphalt.  None of the signage is up yet, though.  The flex lane is supposed to be up and running in November.

And in future news, looks like WisDOT is moving forward with construction of an interchange at US 12/18 and CTH AB out past the casino and landfill:
https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/projects/by-region/sw/us1218-countyab/overview-feb2021.pdf
The alignment of the new interchange might seem weird, but it's meant to accommodate a future relocation of CTH AB as a major divided artery from here to north of Femrite Rd.
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on September 24, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
I-39/90 traffic is now using the new NB carriageway through the Beltline Interchange.  The NB exit toward Madison is finally on the right.
The ramp from the Beltline EB to NB 39/90 is a bit sticky right now in its temporary configuration which shunts it down to one lane before it joins the interstate.  Consistently backed up.  But that will go away once the lanes are in final configuration.

Meanwhile, they are closing in on completion of the Beltline's flex lane project.  The median barrier is mostly complete and just a few more sections of lane need a final course of asphalt.  None of the signage is up yet, though.  The flex lane is supposed to be up and running in November.

And in future news, looks like WisDOT is moving forward with construction of an interchange at US 12/18 and CTH AB out past the casino and landfill:
https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/projects/by-region/sw/us1218-countyab/overview-feb2021.pdf
The alignment of the new interchange might seem weird, but it's meant to accommodate a future relocation of CTH AB as a major divided artery from here to north of Femrite Rd.
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.


Yeah I think it would make sense to put an interchange at AB and I-39/90 to serve the traffic needs of McFarland more than anything. 

thspfc

Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

triplemultiplex

You're talking AB south of the Beltline Interchange and not Buckeye Rd, I glean from context?

Given the way the local roads currently exist, such an interchange might work better at Siggelkow Rd.  (Or as I like to call it "Single Cow Rd" :-D )
Although the spacing is less forgiving between there and the Beltline, I dislike how the local streets don't go straight thru downtown McFarland to US 51 in that area, unlike Siggelkow.  By connecting straight to 51, that provides more options to get to/from the industrial and commercial part of McFarland from the interstate as well as the residential neighborhoods that keep growing on the village's east side.  Siggelkow is a four lane, mostly divided corridor to the edge of town where it's expandable all the way to the interstate.
Downside is, more homes would have to go down to build an interchange at Siggelkow versus CTH AB.
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

hobsini2

Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes! - Dark Helmet (Spaceballs)

JREwing78

Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing

I think it would be a useful addition, assuming it was built out correctly and didn't have stoplights at EVERY. SINGLE. CROSSROAD. It probably wouldn't make a dramatic difference in Beltline traffic, but it would give through-traffic an option to avoid the Beltline.

hobsini2

Quote from: JREwing78 on October 02, 2021, 06:30:59 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing

I think it would be a useful addition, assuming it was built out correctly and didn't have stoplights at EVERY. SINGLE. CROSSROAD. It probably wouldn't make a dramatic difference in Beltline traffic, but it would give through-traffic an option to avoid the Beltline.

I updated how I would do the Realigned Hwy AB with the places I would signal and a few exit ramps.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 07:28:36 AM
Quote from: JREwing78 on October 02, 2021, 06:30:59 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing

I think it would be a useful addition, assuming it was built out correctly and didn't have stoplights at EVERY. SINGLE. CROSSROAD. It probably wouldn't make a dramatic difference in Beltline traffic, but it would give through-traffic an option to avoid the Beltline.

I updated how I would do the Realigned Hwy AB with the places I would signal and a few exit ramps.

If you knew the area at all, you would know this is a complete non-starter.

thspfc

Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.

Right.  M already serves that purpose.  And people aren't going to get off at AB to head to Verona anyway.  What would be better is a corridor following US-51, WI-138 and County M...all of which already exist.

hobsini2

Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.
I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing, assholes! - Dark Helmet (Spaceballs)

SEWIGuy

#67
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.

It's still not going to work.  First off, the amount of real estate purchasing you are going to have to do makes this extremely expensive.  I mean, you are plowing right through an existing subdivision.

Second, I think you are mixing up purposes here.  A County AB exit makes sense to provide access to McFarland right off of I-39/90.  But creating a new corridor to provide access across Fitchburg to Verona I don't think makes a lot of sense there. 

thspfc

Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 02, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.

It's still not going to work.  First off, the amount of real estate purchasing you are going to have to do makes this extremely expensive.  I mean, you are plowing right through an existing subdivision.

Second, I think you are mixing up purposes here.  A County AB exit makes sense to provide access to McFarland right off of I-39/90.  But creating a new corridor to provide access across Fitchburg to Verona I don't think makes a lot of sense there.
The idea is that it's a southern reliever for the Beltline. It's obviously not going to be built. I don't like the concept of a high-speed multi-lane divided highway with frequent traffic lights (ahem, US-12 northwest of Madison); either build an expressway or don't IMO. But the discussion, if you hadn't noticed, has shifted to be about more than just CTH-AB and McFarland.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: thspfc on October 03, 2021, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 02, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.

It's still not going to work.  First off, the amount of real estate purchasing you are going to have to do makes this extremely expensive.  I mean, you are plowing right through an existing subdivision.

Second, I think you are mixing up purposes here.  A County AB exit makes sense to provide access to McFarland right off of I-39/90.  But creating a new corridor to provide access across Fitchburg to Verona I don't think makes a lot of sense there.
The idea is that it's a southern reliever for the Beltline. It's obviously not going to be built. I don't like the concept of a high-speed multi-lane divided highway with frequent traffic lights (ahem, US-12 northwest of Madison); either build an expressway or don't IMO. But the discussion, if you hadn't noticed, has shifted to be about more than just CTH-AB and McFarland.
Quote from: thspfc on October 03, 2021, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 02, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.

It's still not going to work.  First off, the amount of real estate purchasing you are going to have to do makes this extremely expensive.  I mean, you are plowing right through an existing subdivision.

Second, I think you are mixing up purposes here.  A County AB exit makes sense to provide access to McFarland right off of I-39/90.  But creating a new corridor to provide access across Fitchburg to Verona I don't think makes a lot of sense there.
The idea is that it's a southern reliever for the Beltline. It's obviously not going to be built. I don't like the concept of a high-speed multi-lane divided highway with frequent traffic lights (ahem, US-12 northwest of Madison); either build an expressway or don't IMO. But the discussion, if you hadn't noticed, has shifted to be about more than just CTH-AB and McFarland.

Of course I noticed. It's a bad idea that probably should be discussed on the Fictional board. 

midwesternroadguy

Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 03, 2021, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 03, 2021, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 02, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.

It's still not going to work.  First off, the amount of real estate purchasing you are going to have to do makes this extremely expensive.  I mean, you are plowing right through an existing subdivision.

Second, I think you are mixing up purposes here.  A County AB exit makes sense to provide access to McFarland right off of I-39/90.  But creating a new corridor to provide access across Fitchburg to Verona I don't think makes a lot of sense there.
The idea is that it's a southern reliever for the Beltline. It's obviously not going to be built. I don't like the concept of a high-speed multi-lane divided highway with frequent traffic lights (ahem, US-12 northwest of Madison); either build an expressway or don't IMO. But the discussion, if you hadn't noticed, has shifted to be about more than just CTH-AB and McFarland.
Quote from: thspfc on October 03, 2021, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on October 02, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 02, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on October 02, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on October 01, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 25, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on September 25, 2021, 07:25:16 AM
With the new Hwy AB interchange at 12/18 and your bringing up of AB becoming a divided arterial, it makes me wonder if there may be in the future an interchange with 39/90 at AB and a turn to the west towards Fitchburg.  That would make sense to me.
Traffic going to Fitchburg would still take the Beltline. Getting from CTH-AB to Fitchburg without using the Beltline involves a lot of 45 MPH roads with tight 90 degree curves.

I was thinking more of a future divided arterial that Triple brought up be continued west to somewhere near US 14 and Byrne Rd and then eventually to US 18/151 near Hwy M.  Something like this...
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1jwS6C5cas4hnbELyG1u1UeDMMmvIXu-G&usp=sharing
At the west end, it would make more sense for it to take over CTH-M's routing from just east of CTH-PB to US-18/151.
That make sense on the west end to tie it into Hwy M.  I have realigned it accordingly.

It's still not going to work.  First off, the amount of real estate purchasing you are going to have to do makes this extremely expensive.  I mean, you are plowing right through an existing subdivision.

Second, I think you are mixing up purposes here.  A County AB exit makes sense to provide access to McFarland right off of I-39/90.  But creating a new corridor to provide access across Fitchburg to Verona I don't think makes a lot of sense there.
The idea is that it's a southern reliever for the Beltline. It's obviously not going to be built. I don't like the concept of a high-speed multi-lane divided highway with frequent traffic lights (ahem, US-12 northwest of Madison); either build an expressway or don't IMO. But the discussion, if you hadn't noticed, has shifted to be about more than just CTH-AB and McFarland.

Of course I noticed. It's a bad idea that probably should be discussed on the Fictional board.

The Town of Dunn would never let it happen. It has blocked internal developments since the 1970s, and would be very much opposed to any corridor putting development pressure on lands within it.

peterj920

The next few weeks will have several Madison construction projects wrap up. County D/Fish Hatchery Rd will be completed by next week, the Beltline Interchange will be completely open, and The Beltline Flex Lane project is nearly complete. Sadly, it may be the end of the remaining button copy signs on I-39/I-90.

SSOWorld

Quote from: peterj920 on October 25, 2021, 02:52:33 AM
The next few weeks will have several Madison construction projects wrap up. County D/Fish Hatchery Rd will be completed by next week, the Beltline Interchange will be completely open, and The Beltline Flex Lane project is nearly complete. Sadly, it may be the end of the remaining button copy signs on I-39/I-90.
Happily it will be the end of Clearview in Wisconsin. (though in favor of APLs)
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

peterj920

Madison survived the closure of the busiest freeway to freeway ramp in the area between I-90/I-39 south and US 12/Beltline Westbound. The Beltline Interchange should be fully open in 2 weeks!

With the signage I wish the signs would say "Beltline Hwy"  when approaching US 12/US 18 since that's what most people refer the Highway as.

JREwing78

Quote from: peterj920 on November 03, 2021, 04:49:14 PM
With the signage I wish the signs would say "Beltline Hwy"  when approaching US 12/US 18 since that's what most people refer the Highway as.

It would certainly make navigation easier for non-locals. There's a smattering of signs in Madison that do refer to it as that.



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