Update on I-69 Extension in Indiana

Started by mukade, June 25, 2011, 08:55:31 AM

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jlam

Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?


CoolAngrybirdsrio4

Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
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jlam

Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
How about any Interstate segment in the US? I believe it will be the unsigned I-26 segment near Asheville.

brad2971

Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

If the next partial segment of I-69 isn't finished in the next 18 months or so, my guess would be the Clark County-owned segment of I-215, as the interchange with I-15 by LVMS will be finished this time in 2022. Or, depending on how the EA goes, I-11 between Henderson and the Centennial Bowl may be signed even sooner.

oscar

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Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
How about any Interstate segment in the US? I believe it will be the unsigned I-26 segment near Asheville.

Probably elsewhere in NC, either the completion of I-840 in Greensboro, or I-885 in Durham. Both likely in 2022 (885) or 2022-23 (840).

Is there any progress at all in Asheville? Aside from the two projects above, there are others just in NC likely to move faster, such as I-295 in Fayetteville. Then there's I-69 projects in TX, and the possible extension of I-240 in OK, probably also moving faster than the upgrade in Asheville.
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ilpt4u

I-265 at the East End Crossing could be signed tomorrow, if/when INDOT and KYTC see fit to do so

sprjus4

Quote from: oscar on December 30, 2021, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: CoolAngrybirdsrio4 on December 30, 2021, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: jlam on December 30, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
Once I-69 is signed up to IN 144 (if it isn't already), what is the next segment of Interstate Highway to be signed?

Maybe up to I-465, but that's just my guess basing this off of the signed part of the interstate ending at other signed routes (notably state routes).
How about any Interstate segment in the US? I believe it will be the unsigned I-26 segment near Asheville.

Probably elsewhere in NC, either the completion of I-840 in Greensboro, or I-885 in Durham. Both likely in 2022 (885) or 2022-23 (840).

Is there any progress at all in Asheville? Aside from the two projects above, there are others just in NC likely to move faster, such as I-295 in Fayetteville. Then there's I-69 projects in TX, and the possible extension of I-240 in OK, probably also moving faster than the upgrade in Asheville.
I-587 will be designated along the US-264 freeway between I-95 and NC-11 Bypass in 2022.

That stretch of freeway was fully upgraded to interstate standards last year.

sprjus4

Assuming the Driscoll Bypass along US-77 in Texas is complete in 2022, I-69E may also be extended south towards Kingsville.

I-69E was recently extended north of Raymondville when a few interchanges were completed there this past year.

Also substantial work occurring between Rosenberg and Wharton south of Houston, the portion north of Kendleton virtually almost complete.

Thegeet

Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.

sprjus4

Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Ryctor2018

Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 05:54:12 PM
Assuming the Driscoll Bypass along US-77 in Texas is complete in 2022, I-69E may also be extended south towards Kingsville.

I-69E was recently extended north of Raymondville when a few interchanges were completed there this past year.

Also substantial work occurring between Rosenberg and Wharton south of Houston, the portion north of Kendleton virtually almost complete.

After I-69 up to SR-144, I-69 around Union City, TN maybe completed in the next 18 months. I know the paving contract was 2-3 yrs. I personally saw paving laid north of town & the new interchange with US-51 is coming along nicely.
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Daniel Fiddler

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Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Every Interstate and toll road with a traffic volume over 25,000+ vehicles per day needs a "climbing lane" for vehicles driving 74 mph and below.

sprjus4

Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on December 30, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Every Interstate and toll road with a traffic volume over 25,000+ vehicles per day needs a "climbing lane" for vehicles driving 74 mph and below.
It's a much higher priority when you have some trucks down to 30-45 mph, and some trucks still coming at 55-65 mph. There's an even larger speed differential on climbing sections than straight sections, even higher volume routes.

And 25,000 is certainly a low ball figure. I'd say closer to 35,000 - 40,000 AADT or more, and with high truck percentages. Then a continuous 3rd lane is warranted.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Daniel Fiddler on December 30, 2021, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: Thegeet on December 30, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 30, 2021, 12:34:03 AM
Northbound I-69 is going uphill. That third lane is just a climbing lane.
I never heard of a climbing lane.
An additional lane that can be used by slower vehicles and trucks on an incline.

Every Interstate and toll road with a traffic volume over 25,000+ vehicles per day needs a "climbing lane" for vehicles driving 74 mph and below.
I'd go a step further and say every interstate with ADT counts over 10k should 3 lanes each way. It's incredible annoying having to constantly wait for two trucks passing each other with a 2-3 MPH difference.

Daniel Fiddler

I can agree with 35k ADT, although that's still a few too many in my eyes still, I think 25k is a bit more reasonable to begin with.  I-75 from Tampa to Detroit, I-65 from Nashville to Chicago, and I-24 from Nashville to Chattanooga all have at least 35k if not 40k or 50k in all sections along said routes between said cities, except through Macon where I-475 (the Macon by-pass) by-passes the city.  If they don't, I will be shocked!

10k is too few ADT to do widening.  I mean no offense, and I admit it is freakishly annoying to get stuck behind a car driving 74 or below in a 70 zone, especially if the topography is incredibly smooth and the expressway is straight as an arrow, although you have any idea how expensive it is to widen an interstate to six lanes, especially in a mountainous area or over a bridge?  Unless they do so in the median, it may be a little cheaper then, although still bridges, they have to reconstruct entire bridges, which it's still a good idea to do for most anyway since many are crumbling since the EIHS was constructed in 1956.

This is my two cents worth, which I guess doesn't mean much:  No one should drive on the EIHS, Florida Turnpike, or New Jersey Turnpike AT ALL unless they intend to drive at least 5 below the speed limit (and I am including my younger brother in this, because he drives 5 - 10 below), and if they do, they should stick to the RIGHT lane unless taking a left-hand interchange.  No one should enter the left lane unless they are driving at least 5 OVER the speed limit unless, as I stated before, they are taking a left-hand interchange.  Motorists should allow faster motorists to pass them on the left.  And, this is just me, but I always use a turning signal.

SkyPesos

^ Isn't I-40 between Little Rock and Nashville very truck heavy too? It's part of the fastest routing from the Northeast to Texas, taking in traffic from both I-81 and I-65.

Daniel Fiddler

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It is, very much so.  And i drive it frequently.  I would probably say 30k - 35k ADT, 40% of it trucks.

mukade

I don't know if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I-69 Finish Line put up a video of the ribbon cutting back on December 22. It can be seen here

Some of the benefits and projections seem a little optimistic, but hey, it's a video with cool pictures.

Ryctor2018

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6924804,-86.204308,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX555hZj2V4-hO9cSJ5IGtw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Streetview from last month shows clearing of where the I-69/I-465 interchange will be constructed. Don't expect much work on the mainline until the North Split project is complete.
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Captain Jack

Quote from: Ryctor2018 on December 30, 2021, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2021, 05:54:12 PM
Assuming the Driscoll Bypass along US-77 in Texas is complete in 2022, I-69E may also be extended south towards Kingsville.

I-69E was recently extended north of Raymondville when a few interchanges were completed there this past year.

Also substantial work occurring between Rosenberg and Wharton south of Houston, the portion north of Kendleton virtually almost complete.

After I-69 up to SR-144, I-69 around Union City, TN maybe completed in the next 18 months. I know the paving contract was 2-3 yrs. I personally saw paving laid north of town & the new interchange with US-51 is coming along nicely.

Union City still isn't done? They started that about the same time INDOT started section 1 in Evansville. Must have one guy with some hand tools working on that.

Is it going to be signed I-69 when it does open? I assumed it will just be US 51 Bypass considering TNDOT is doing nothing for the remainder of 69 to Memphis anytime soon.

mukade

Quote from: Captain Jack on January 09, 2022, 05:54:50 PM
Union City still isn't done? They started that about the same time INDOT started section 1 in Evansville. Must have one guy with some hand tools working on that.

Is it going to be signed I-69 when it does open? I assumed it will just be US 51 Bypass considering TNDOT is doing nothing for the remainder of 69 to Memphis anytime soon.

In Indiana, leaders in both parties for years would say they were for completing I-69, but somehow the funding would never materialize. Anyway, avoiding any political opinions pro or con, Mitch Daniels said something that is very true. Paraphrasing: if it is really a priority, leaders will make it happen. Otherwise it is evidence that it isn't really a priority at all.

And that definitely seems to apply to Tennessee.

That said, in Indiana, there was a lot of uncertainty that I-69 would become reality until construction contracts were actually awarded. You can read some of the articles and editorials from 2008 to 2012 that show concern that I-69 would never be built. Here are a couple from Indiana Economic Digest, a site that republishes articles from around the state:
- https://indianaeconomicdigest.net/MobileContent/Most-Recent/Porter/Article/EDITORIAL-An-I-69-roadblock-/31/217/45484
- https://indianaeconomicdigest.net/Content/Most-Recent/Infrastructure/Article/EDITORIAL-Interstate-69/31/67/58466?s=1

There is a content search capability you can use to find relevant articles that discuss things most of us probably forgot about.

The Evansville Courier & Press was the ultimate source of the more interesting articles and editorials. I couldn't find it on the Indiana Economic Digest web site, but I remember reading the editorial right after Daniels announced that the Crane to Bloomington section of I-69 (section 4) would be open by 2014 or 2015. The editorial reflects how incredulous people in Evansville were that such a thing would even be possible after decades of inaction.

jlam

It doesn't seem that Google Maps is signing I-69 up to IN 144 anymore, just to the Morgan St overpass.

mukade


bmeiser

I didn't know that the NB 69 ramp to Ohio St tunneled through buildings!

westerninterloper

Quote from: mukade on January 09, 2022, 07:06:43 PM
The Evansville Courier & Press was the ultimate source of the more interesting articles and editorials. I couldn't find it on the Indiana Economic Digest web site, but I remember reading the editorial right after Daniels announced that the Crane to Bloomington section of I-69 (section 4) would be open by 2014 or 2015. The editorial reflects how incredulous people in Evansville were that such a thing would even be possible after decades of inaction.

The Bloomington Herald Times and the Terre Haute Tribune Star also carried a lot of stories about the highway; from Bloomington about opposition to it, and in Terre Haute, the attempts to route it on I-70 and US 41.
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