- NBA is suspended indefinitely
- NHL is suspended indefinitely
- NCAA cancelled everything (literally, everything)
- MLS is suspended for at least a month
- MLB is suspended for at least a month (presumably; spring training is effectively cancelled and opening day is delayed at least two weeks)
- UEFA postponed (cancelled?) two Champions League matches
- Serie A (Italian soccer league) is suspended indefinitely, and it looks like the season will be called soon (congrats, Juventus?)
- La Liga (Spanish soccer league) is suspended indefinitely
- Arsenal's manager has the coronavirus
- This is the first time that the NFL has ever been the most interesting USA sport happening in March
- The Seattle Mariners will not play their first home games in Seattle
- XFL is suspended indefinitely - which hits harder for them than it does for any other league, for obvious reasons
- Golf and auto racing are the lucky ones, since there's no physical contact, so they will probably continue
- There's also everything not related to sports, but who cares about that
just wait for the big recession to follow
BTW its not the virus, it's the fear of the virus
Olympics?
PGA Tour and NASCAR both holding events with no fans.
EPL has postponed one match so far and my guess is the rest will be as well.
F1 just canceled the Australian Grand Prix
Indiana high school basketball tournament to continue without fans, other sports canceled.
ESPN, NBCSN, FS1 going to take major ratings hits and suddenly have a bunch of time to fill with nothing to show.
I would expect the following in terms of television.
-Broadcast networks may either turn their time over to the affiliates or order new programming. CBS might order some Price is Right primetime specials and FOX will probably fill their weekends with more animated shows, as examples.
-If the Olympics are cancelled, NBC can probably order game shows.
-ESPN channels can run 30-for-30s and replays of past events.
-YES and NESN have enough filler shows that they will probably run those.
-FS1/2/Dep., I have no idea, maybe they go off-air.
-League-specifc channels will rerun classic events and filler programming.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 12, 2020, 08:07:46 PM
I would expect the following in terms of television.
-Broadcast networks may either turn their time over to the affiliates or order new programming. CBS might order some Price is Right primetime specials and FOX will probably fill their weekends with more animated shows, as examples.
-If the Olympics are cancelled, NBC can probably order game shows.
-ESPN channels can run 30-for-30s and replays of past events.
-YES and NESN have enough filler shows that they will probably run those.
-FS1/2/Dep., I have no idea, maybe they go off-air.
-League-specifc channels will rerun classic events and filler programming.
It is in trying times like these that I flip on YouTube on my smart TV and watch full replays of past NFL games. I watched the entirety of the Chargers/Patriots playoff game from a few years ago on Sunday. Actually quite enjoyable.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 12, 2020, 07:47:52 PM
Olympics?
I didn't include the Olympics because no major changes have been made yet.
I guess I will catch up on my reading. I read less now that I no longer ride the subway to work.
I wish the NHL would just pull the plug and offer refunds, or credits towards next season's tickets, for unplayed games.
Quote from: thspfc on March 12, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
- There's also everything not related to sports, but who cares about that
Richmond 10K has been moved from March 28th to September 26th.
https://runsignup.com/Race/VA/Richmond/UkropsMonumentAvenue10K
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Kalaupapa is closed.
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Kalaupapa is closed.
That's kind of unintentionally ironic given what it's purpose was.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Kalaupapa is closed.
That's kind of unintentionally ironic given what it's purpose was.
Not really. The residents are at high risk.
Quote from: thspfc on March 12, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
- NBA is suspended indefinitely
- NHL is suspended indefinitely
- NCAA cancelled everything (literally, everything)
- MLS is suspended for at least a month
- MLB is suspended for at least a month (presumably; spring training is effectively cancelled and opening day is delayed at least two weeks)
- UEFA postponed (cancelled?) two Champions League matches
- Serie A (Italian soccer league) is suspended indefinitely, and it looks like the season will be called soon (congrats, Juventus?)
- La Liga (Spanish soccer league) is suspended indefinitely
- Arsenal's manager has the coronavirus
- This is the first time that the NFL has ever been the most interesting USA sport happening in March
- The Seattle Mariners will not play their first home games in Seattle
- XFL is suspended indefinitely - which hits harder for them than it does for any other league, for obvious reasons
- Golf and auto racing are the lucky ones, since there's no physical contact, so they will probably continue
- There's also everything not related to sports, but who cares about that
It's a conspiracy by the NFL to wipe out all competition.
Maybe its China expierementing with germ warfare
Quote from: Alps on March 12, 2020, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 12, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
- There's also everything not related to sports, but who cares about that
It's a conspiracy by the NFL to wipe out all competition.
Close, but no cigar.
It's a conspiracy by the New England Patriots to wipe out all competition.
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Kalaupapa is closed.
That's kind of unintentionally ironic given what it's purpose was.
Not really. The residents are at high risk.
Well it was a Leprosy facility, quarantining people was kind of it's thing.
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Kalaupapa is closed.
That's kind of unintentionally ironic given what it's purpose was.
Not really. The residents are at high risk.
Not anymore, other than from old age (all the remaining residents are in their 70s or higher).
The original restrictions were to prevent non-residents from contracting Hansen's Disease from the residents, before new treatments made it non-contagious. Restrictions remain to protect residents' dignity, such as no photos without their permission (some of them were visibly disfigured by the disease), or no children who might "gawk at the lepers".
Quote from: oscar on March 12, 2020, 11:42:50 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 12, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 12, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
I haven't seen any virus related restriction last in any of the National Parks I've looked up. Might be high time to take in some solitude outdoors if that is your thing.
Kalaupapa is closed.
That's kind of unintentionally ironic given what it's purpose was.
Not really. The residents are at high risk.
Not anymore, other than from old age (all the remaining residents are in their 70s or higher).
The original restrictions were to prevent non-residents from contracting Hansen's Disease from the residents, before new treatments made it non-contagious. Restrictions remain to protect residents' dignity, such as no photos without their permission (some of them were visibly disfigured by the disease), or no children who might "gawk at the lepers".
Aaaaaaaaand people over 70 are at risk.
Quote from: thspfc on March 12, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
- La Liga (Spanish association football league) is suspended indefinitely
Make that literally
every sport in Spain. No basketball, no handball, nothing. Heck, I had registered for a regional orienteering event this Sunday, and even that has been cancelled. In the event of a lockdown I'll have no choice but to run at home, and to run 5 km (3.1 miles) I would need to go back and forth about 250 times.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 12, 2020, 07:47:52 PM
Olympics?
Months away. A lot can happen between now and then.
To sum it up:
Everyone's overreacting.
People aren't doing enough.
The government isn't doing enough.
The government can't restrict our interstate commerce movements.
Other countries are doing a much better job.
Other countries are shutting down entire communities.
Other countries are restricting movements.
We should do what other countries are doing, except don't restrict our rights to move around.
Quote from: thspfc on March 12, 2020, 07:38:14 PM
- Golf and auto racing are the lucky ones, since there's no physical contact, so they will probably continue
Nevermind, PGA has cancelled several upcoming tournaments.
Quote from: Alps on March 12, 2020, 11:29:07 PM
It's a conspiracy by the NFL to wipe out all competition.
I don't want to say anything to jinx it, but it certainly is a relief at this point that the NFL season doesn't start until September.
Boston Marathon will almost certainly be postponed to the fall.
Just for fun (gambling is legal in my state) I opened up the sports betting app to see what was available.
NASCAR; German, Russian, Turkish, and Mexican soccer; Darts; Australian and British rugby; Boxing; Australia vs. New Zealand cricket; Belator (an off brand MMA deal); and, the Russia centric KHL hockey. Which has a team in, China.
And horse racing. Since the horses have to be cared for anyway, running the races with no fans present, which is what most tracks are doing, is no greater risk than just a day of exercise. Horse racing may see its best couple of months in 50 years.
As to ESPN and its competitors, they are just going to take it on the chin. Reruns of old games, their taking head shows yelling at each other about NFL draft and free agency, 30 for 30 reruns, and that is it. The part time sports networks will just show old movies.
F1 postponed Bahrain and Vietnam; Australia and China had already been postponed. (I assume all four will become cancellations.) Season might begin in May.
Quote from: spooky on March 13, 2020, 08:13:34 AM
Boston Marathon will almost certainly be postponed to the fall.
Just announced that they are postponed until September 14. Interesting because it's warmer in mid-September than in mid-April
The Masters is postponed. While the event is bigger than anything and could easily replace another event, my money is on it being cancelled. As to the other Majors, the PGA Championship is set for sanitation resistant San Francisco in mid-May. If played, I would guess they will move it to Louisville or West Palm Beach, where the PGA of A owns courses outright. The world travel situation probably puts the Open Championship in doubt too.
I'm kind of waiting for the hammer to drop on gym chains possibly closing up shop for awhile or restricting how many people can come in at once. The local chain here has been dead all week aside from maybe the same dozen or so usual suspects that go everyday like me. I do a lot of distance running, I'm glad that I didn't have any events planned.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2020, 10:40:35 AM
I'm kind of waiting for the hammer to drop on gym chains possibly closing up shop for awhile or restricting how many people can come in at once. The local chain here has been dead all week aside from maybe the same dozen or so usual suspects that go everyday like me. I do a lot of distance running, I'm glad that I didn't have any events planned.
I occasionally visit casinos to play poker. Handling poker chips that have been recently touched by dozens of others doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
I'm out of school till the 30th. It's crazy.
Rumor mill has Fox Sports shutting down its weekday talking head sports argument shows as early as next week, filling the time with reruns of old games and material from its Australian operations.
And while not sports, and not quite as immediate, production of most filmed TV shows, both on traditional networks and streaming, has shut down. Of immediate notice will be the network's late night comedy shows, and all of the weekday female oriented shows, are done. Most filmed drama and comedy shows are pretty much shut down, most about 2 to 4 episodes short of a full season. With planned reruns, networks will run out of material in mid-April.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 13, 2020, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: spooky on March 13, 2020, 08:13:34 AM
Boston Marathon will almost certainly be postponed to the fall.
Just announced that they are postponed until September 14. Interesting because it's warmer in mid-September than in mid-April
Since the race increasingly became "focus on the entitled - excuse me - elites and ignore everyone else", the previous 'all-amateur ' Boston Marathon has outlived its usefulness and significance, and should just go away for good. For the average person, it is nothing but a huge disruption. Plus, it is a needless waste of private and public resources.
Well, I might end up watching the NASCAR cup from Atlanta on Sunday afternoon. Haven't watched much of a race other than the Daytona 500 in as long as I can remember.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 13, 2020, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 13, 2020, 10:40:35 AM
I'm kind of waiting for the hammer to drop on gym chains possibly closing up shop for awhile or restricting how many people can come in at once. The local chain here has been dead all week aside from maybe the same dozen or so usual suspects that go everyday like me. I do a lot of distance running, I'm glad that I didn't have any events planned.
I occasionally visit casinos to play poker. Handling poker chips that have been recently touched by dozens of others doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
I'm finding that most public venues that aren't stores are close to empty. In an ironic way it's kind of a half way decent way to avoid people outside the house. At minimum most gym facilities usually have someone going around occasionally cleaning and wiping stuff down.
NASCAR cancelled this week (Atlanta) and next week (Miami). Indy Car cancelled through May (this weekend at St. Petersburg; Birmingham, Long Beach, and Austin).
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880638-pga-announces-the-masters-is-postponed-because-of-coronavirus-concerns
The PGA has postponed the Masters due to COVID-19 scares.
This opens up the avenue for live-streamed E-sports as the next big thing!
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[crickets chirping]
I mean, some people care about this and it might be the only "sport" left until things get back to normal, but I'd rather play my own games.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/51871554 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/51871554)
Now a Bike race in Hungary has been postponed.
Quote from: formulanone on March 13, 2020, 12:15:04 PM
This opens up the avenue for live-streamed E-sports as the next big thing!
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[crickets chirping]
I mean, some people care about this and it might be the only "sport" left until things get back to normal, but I'd rather play my own games.
Many e-sports competitions have also been cancelled, including the Overwatch League. Not many are doing totally remote matchups, since using an in-person set/arena is preferred.
NRL is actually still going on, but without spectators. So I'm guessing FOX Sports will bring a lot of those matches stateside.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 13, 2020, 07:00:54 AM
To sum it up:
Everyone's overreacting.
People aren't doing enough.
The government isn't doing enough.
The government can't restrict our interstate commerce movements.
Other countries are doing a much better job.
Other countries are shutting down entire communities.
Other countries are restricting movements.
We should do what other countries are doing, except don't restrict our rights to move around.
I think you've captured the majority sentiments.
No more Premier League. No more Bundesliga. No more NASCAR. No more anything, really. This is going to be really dull.
The Suns will live stream the remainder of their games on Twitch in NBA 2K. Even if they set all of their players at 99 OVR, they still aren't going to make the playoffs.
Quote from: thspfc on March 13, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
No more Premier League. No more Bundesliga. No more NASCAR. No more anything, really. This is going to be really dull.
The only sports that won't be affected are the Olympics, college football, and the NFL, since they're not happening until August. The NFL might have to move its April draft to an audience-free TV studio, but there's no reason why it can't go on.
But the Coronavirus crisis will eventually go away, and things will return to normal. From what I've seen reported, the virus lasts about a month max, and should begin to subside in the US and Canada in April, going into May. Once everything resumes, will the fans come back in the same numbers as before? The gate will probably be close to normal, but casual fans that usually watch on TV just might find something else better to do.
MLB has the least risk, since even if they start as late as Memorial Day weekend, they can get most of the season in and the postseason and World Series will go on as usual.
The NBA and NHL will probably have to end their regular seasons where they sit now, since they're a month or less from ending anyway. They'll pick back up with their playoffs starting immediately, although both leagues might still be playing in July.
College basketball and the other sports other than football have already been called off, no matter when they can resume. I don't see the NCAA changing their minds, with school (what there is left of it) ending in May.
Auto racing should pick up again with no problems. The Indianapolis 500 is still a "go," at least as of now.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 13, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 13, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
No more Premier League. No more Bundesliga. No more NASCAR. No more anything, really. This is going to be really dull.
The only sports that won't be affected are the Olympics, college football, and the NFL, since they're not happening until August. The NFL might have to move its April draft to an audience-free TV studio, but there's no reason why it can't go on.
But the Coronavirus crisis will eventually go away, and things will return to normal. From what I've seen reported, the virus lasts about a month max, and should begin to subside in the US and Canada in April, going into May. Once everything resumes, will the fans come back in the same numbers as before? The gate will probably be close to normal, but casual fans that usually watch on TV just might find something else better to do.
MLB has the least risk, since even if they start as late as Memorial Day weekend, they can get most of the season in and the postseason and World Series will go on as usual.
The NBA and NHL will probably have to end their regular seasons where they sit now, since they're a month or less from ending anyway. They'll pick back up with their playoffs starting immediately, although both leagues might still be playing in July.
College basketball and the other sports other than football have already been called off, no matter when they can resume. I don't see the NCAA changing their minds, with school (what there is left of it) ending in May.
Auto racing should pick up again with no problems. The Indianapolis 500 is still a "go," at least as of now.
What makes you think the virus is going to subside in the US by late April or so? If you ask me, that sounds a little over-optimistic.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on March 13, 2020, 08:09:22 PM
What makes you think the virus is going to subside in the US by late April or so? If you ask me, that sounds a little over-optimistic.
Maybe a bit. From what I understand, Wuhan China is getting closer to business as usual. Italy and the rest of Europe are still a long way off. The US and Canada are still "ramping up," compared to Asia and Europe, but the lifespan of a coronavirus is about 5-6 weeks at worst. That's why I said things should begin to ease starting in late April or early May if we continue to take precautions and testing becomes more common.
It'll probably take a good 6 months to a year to develop a vaccine, if not longer (especially given the lawyer-, lobbyist-, and politics-driven approval regulations in the US), but the world cannot and will not shut down for that length of time.
WWE Smackdown was live tonight with no audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxyVpF5EMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdNG2mUqfSQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdNG2mUqfSQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD4piYlqmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD4piYlqmM)
Billiards is the only sport at this point that is going business as usual here but without an audience.
Quote from: SP Cook on March 13, 2020, 12:00:31 PM
NASCAR postponed* this week (Atlanta) and next week (Miami).
https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/1238489913382887430
Events are being called off, and some big attractions like Disneyland are closing, but individual travel is not being restricted. If I had the money and the leave time from work, I would not think twice about jumping in the car and going on a two-week road trip. See the national parks that are open (I guess Yellowstone is still closed for the season), clinch roads and counties, sightsee. I'd have no qualms whatsoever about doing it, and absolutely no fear.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 14, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
Events are being called off, and some big attractions like Disneyland are closing, but individual travel is not being restricted. If I had the money and the leave time from work, I would not think twice about jumping in the car and going on a two-week road trip. See the national parks that are open (I guess Yellowstone is still closed for the season), clinch roads and counties, sightsee. I'd have no qualms whatsoever about doing it, and absolutely no fear.
I plan to do the same. Hotels are being sanitized, restaurants are taking precautions, and I interact with few people.
Honestly a good old-fashioned clinchathon/solo roadtrip is probably better social distancing than the vast majority of the population is doing anyway - I don't think it hurts efforts to contain the virus, whatever your feelings on it. I plan to get started clinching the Utah highway system either this weekend or next, and don't see that in jeopardy.
I have a fly/drive trip to Vegas planned in April that I'm a bit more concerned about because of the flying part, but we'll see what happens.
As of right now I'm planning on hitting Yosemite of Pinnacles National Park on the 22nd depending on if the former is actively snowing. Either way a long hike over 10 miles is probably in order no matter where I go. Both destinations have some killer back roads, I can't imagine there any many people willing to go out to the boons alone during all this Virus stuff.
Incidentally I'm really debating if I should go down to Los Angeles to add some of their freeways I haven't done in forever to the Gribblenation blog series. All this traffic declining really has opened up some road geeking opportunities which otherwise wouldn't have been much fun.
Here is a look at Youtube Sports Pundits talking about their sport was suspended due to COVID-19.
Quote from: corco on March 14, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
Honestly a good old-fashioned clinchathon/solo roadtrip is probably better social distancing than the vast majority of the population is doing anyway - I don't think it hurts efforts to contain the virus, whatever your feelings on it. I plan to get started clinching the Utah highway system either this weekend or next, and don't see that in jeopardy.
I have a fly/drive trip to Vegas planned in April that I'm a bit more concerned about because of the flying part, but we'll see what happens.
I plan to fly, and that is the part I am most worried about - specifically, the TSA line. I can distance after that, and my seat will be limited to a few people (lower risk than the number I'd be exposed to in other places in the airport).
Quote from: bing101 on March 14, 2020, 09:09:51 PM
Here is a look at Youtube Sports Pundits talking about their sport was suspended due to COVID-19.
Well that's something I didn't know, Youtube has "Sports Pundits" now. I still associate Youtube mostly with; bootleg movies, remixed cartoon Youtube Poops, and general nerd interest stuff (computers, games, etc).
Even off-season things are being postponed, like the NFL draft https://247sports.com/Article/nfl-draft-coronavirus-postponed-las-vegas-2020-sports-canceled-145041223/
One thing to consider if you're headed out to clinch counties: Where will you use the restroom and what state will they be in? :D
Quote from: hbelkins on March 14, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
Events are being called off, and some big attractions like Disneyland are closing, but individual travel is not being restricted. If I had the money and the leave time from work, I would not think twice about jumping in the car and going on a two-week road trip. See the national parks that are open (I guess Yellowstone is still closed for the season), clinch roads and counties, sightsee. I'd have no qualms whatsoever about doing it, and absolutely no fear.
I agree. It's looking more likely that my April 16th East Coast/Bahamas cruise will be cancelled, and if so then Mrs. wanderer and I will be doing a 10-day roadtrip somewhere so I can get sign photos and maybe we see a few sights. Some precaution and common sense, but I'm not going to live sealed in a room with the shades drawn waiting for this thing to pass. (To that end, we're going on that cruise if it isn't cancelled. We don't do the gargantuan newer ships, and with the numbers of other people backing out I expect the available "social distance" away from others will be ample.)
Quote from: Alps on March 14, 2020, 11:47:22 PM
Quote from: corco on March 14, 2020, 08:17:55 PM
Honestly a good old-fashioned clinchathon/solo roadtrip is probably better social distancing than the vast majority of the population is doing anyway - I don't think it hurts efforts to contain the virus, whatever your feelings on it. I plan to get started clinching the Utah highway system either this weekend or next, and don't see that in jeopardy.
I have a fly/drive trip to Vegas planned in April that I'm a bit more concerned about because of the flying part, but we'll see what happens.
I plan to fly, and that is the part I am most worried about - specifically, the TSA line. I can distance after that, and my seat will be limited to a few people (lower risk than the number I'd be exposed to in other places in the airport).
A few changes I noticed in the airport yesterday, compared to the last time I flew in January:
-TSA didn't even look at my boarding pass - they fed my ID into a machine, which presumably links your name to a boarding pass
-They were giving everybody a squirt of hand sanitizer when returning their bins after getting screened
-Everybody scans their own boarding pass at the gate now
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2020, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: bing101 on March 14, 2020, 09:09:51 PM
Here is a look at Youtube Sports Pundits talking about their sport was suspended due to COVID-19.
Well that's something I didn't know, Youtube has "Sports Pundits" now. I still associate Youtube mostly with; bootleg movies, remixed cartoon Youtube Poops, and general nerd interest stuff (computers, games, etc).
I remember YouTube in the early days for skateboarding videos, and Jackass stunts though.
Quote from: bing101 on March 15, 2020, 01:21:57 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2020, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: bing101 on March 14, 2020, 09:09:51 PM
Here is a look at Youtube Sports Pundits talking about their sport was suspended due to COVID-19.
Well that's something I didn't know, Youtube has "Sports Pundits" now. I still associate Youtube mostly with; bootleg movies, remixed cartoon Youtube Poops, and general nerd interest stuff (computers, games, etc).
I remember YouTube in the early days for skateboarding videos, and Jackass stunts though.
I remember seeing some Jackass-Like stunts but nothing even as sports related as skate boarding. ESPN apparently has a channel with 6.8 million subscribers even on YouTube.
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/28903117/nevada-suspends-all-combat-sports-events-march-25 (https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/28903117/nevada-suspends-all-combat-sports-events-march-25)
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/28893813/csac-cancels-all-combat-sports-events-march-31 (https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/28893813/csac-cancels-all-combat-sports-events-march-31)
Update Nevada has suspended fights until March 25th and California suspension of fights goes to March 31st.
Quote from: bing101 on March 15, 2020, 12:13:17 PM
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/28903117/nevada-suspends-all-combat-sports-events-march-25 (https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/28903117/nevada-suspends-all-combat-sports-events-march-25)
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/28893813/csac-cancels-all-combat-sports-events-march-31 (https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/28893813/csac-cancels-all-combat-sports-events-march-31)
Update Nevada has suspended fights until March 25th and California suspension of fights goes to March 31st.
Wouldn't giving your opponent a disease be a
good thing to do in a fight?
I saw a post on Twitter that showed a sports bar playing a livestream of Vikkstar123 (a British YouTuber) playing a shooting game.
Also, marble racing videos have gone viral.
Best case scenario for sports resumption is May 1 for practice and May 15 or so for games.
MLB: I predict a 110-120 game regular season.
NBA and NHL: Go right into the playoffs. One or both leagues may have to play tiebreaker games to determine the final playoff spot(s). Rudy Gobert's careless actions earlier this week might lead to him being suspended for the playoffs and possibly the first few games of 2020-21 (the Jazz are currently in playoff position). Possibly the first series or two in each sport goes to a best-of-5.
NFL: The draft takes place in a board room. Preseason and regular season goes on as scheduled.
Olympics: They go on as scheduled, but several countries boycott them.
International soccer: (I saw this on a European-based sports site) Europe considers a multi-year switch of the league calendar so that the league titles are determined in the fall and Euro 2020 takes place in November and December. In 2021 and 2022, leagues would start in February/March and end in October/November (this is important as the 2022 World Cup is planned to take place in November and December, which is right in the middle of the European league season). 2023 would be an abbreviated season (February to June/July) with fewer games to get back on the traditional fall to spring schedule, which would start back up in 2023-24.
Other sports: The 2021 or 2022 NCAA Final Four will be moved to Atlanta. The PGA Championship gets moved until after the Olympics and possibly changes courses. The Masters is held on the weekend the PGA Championship was originally scheduled for.
Non-sports: Many events, festivals, and conventions that were postponed from spring to fall will remain in the fall long-term (or maybe move to summer from 2021).
My timetable:
NHL/AHL: Cancel remainder of season
NBA/WNBA: Cancel remainder of season
NFL: Draft carried out remotely. Possibly the Hall of Fame Game is cancelled.
XFL: Cancel remainder of season.
MLB: Season begins June 1, 132 games, a couple double-headers each month. Playoffs reduced to ALCS/NLCS then the World Series.
Horse racing: I would expect all three Triple Crown races to be cancelled. Breeder's Cup might be OK.
WWE: Will continue to host live televised events without spectators.
MMA/boxing: I would expect these to be completely stopped indefinitely.
PGA/LPG: tours cancelled until June
NASCAR: All sanctioned races run without spectators until June.
Olympics: I would expect at least China, Italy and the US to boycott. Any events without enough participating nations would be cancelled. Spectator capacity is severely limited.
Little League World Series: Could be cancelled depending on how long the virus lingers.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 15, 2020, 02:45:44 PM
My timetable:
NHL/AHL: Cancel remainder of season
NBA/WNBA: Cancel remainder of season
NFL: Draft carried out remotely. Possibly the Hall of Fame Game is cancelled.
XFL: Cancel remainder of season.
MLB: Season begins June 1, 132 games, a couple double-headers each month. Playoffs reduced to ALCS/NLCS then the World Series.
Horse racing: I would expect all three Triple Crown races to be cancelled. Breeder's Cup might be OK.
WWE: Will continue to host live televised events without spectators.
MMA/boxing: I would expect these to be completely stopped indefinitely.
PGA/LPG: tours cancelled until June
NASCAR: All sanctioned races run without spectators until June.
Olympics: I would expect at least China, Italy and the US to boycott. Any events without enough participating nations would be cancelled. Spectator capacity is severely limited.
Little League World Series: Could be cancelled depending on how long the virus lingers.
No way WWE runs WrestleMania without spectators. It will have to be postponed
Raw, Smackdown, and NXT shows will continue to be produced from the WWE Performance Center in Florida, I'm sure
The Triple Crown Races can still be held, basically sans spectators. Horses, Owners, Trainers, Jockeys, and Race Officials and Operations staff being the only ones at the tracks. All betting done online in states that allow it
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 15, 2020, 05:37:45 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 15, 2020, 02:45:44 PM
My timetable:
NHL/AHL: Cancel remainder of season
NBA/WNBA: Cancel remainder of season
NFL: Draft carried out remotely. Possibly the Hall of Fame Game is cancelled.
XFL: Cancel remainder of season.
MLB: Season begins June 1, 132 games, a couple double-headers each month. Playoffs reduced to ALCS/NLCS then the World Series.
Horse racing: I would expect all three Triple Crown races to be cancelled. Breeder's Cup might be OK.
WWE: Will continue to host live televised events without spectators.
MMA/boxing: I would expect these to be completely stopped indefinitely.
PGA/LPG: tours cancelled until June
NASCAR: All sanctioned races run without spectators until June.
Olympics: I would expect at least China, Italy and the US to boycott. Any events without enough participating nations would be cancelled. Spectator capacity is severely limited.
Little League World Series: Could be cancelled depending on how long the virus lingers.
No way WWE runs WrestleMania without spectators. It will have to be postponed
Raw, Smackdown, and NXT shows will continue to be produced from the WWE Performance Center in Florida, I'm sure
The Triple Crown Races can still be held, basically sans spectators. Horses, Owners, Trainers, Jockeys, and Race Officials and Operations staff being the only ones at the tracks. All betting done online in states that allow it
The virus can spread to other animals. That's how this strain got started.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 15, 2020, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 15, 2020, 05:37:45 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 15, 2020, 02:45:44 PM
My timetable:
NHL/AHL: Cancel remainder of season
NBA/WNBA: Cancel remainder of season
NFL: Draft carried out remotely. Possibly the Hall of Fame Game is cancelled.
XFL: Cancel remainder of season.
MLB: Season begins June 1, 132 games, a couple double-headers each month. Playoffs reduced to ALCS/NLCS then the World Series.
Horse racing: I would expect all three Triple Crown races to be cancelled. Breeder's Cup might be OK.
WWE: Will continue to host live televised events without spectators.
MMA/boxing: I would expect these to be completely stopped indefinitely.
PGA/LPG: tours cancelled until June
NASCAR: All sanctioned races run without spectators until June.
Olympics: I would expect at least China, Italy and the US to boycott. Any events without enough participating nations would be cancelled. Spectator capacity is severely limited.
Little League World Series: Could be cancelled depending on how long the virus lingers.
No way WWE runs WrestleMania without spectators. It will have to be postponed
Raw, Smackdown, and NXT shows will continue to be produced from the WWE Performance Center in Florida, I'm sure
The Triple Crown Races can still be held, basically sans spectators. Horses, Owners, Trainers, Jockeys, and Race Officials and Operations staff being the only ones at the tracks. All betting done online in states that allow it
The virus can spread to other animals. That's how this strain got started.
I don't think it was horses... maybe bat racing will be called off.
Have any casinos been closed yet?
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
MGM I know has shut down their resorts, as have a few others
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
Pretty sure Illinois and Indiana ordered their casinos closed. Illinois casinos have until 11:59 PM CDT tonight to operate
MGM Resorts and Wynn/Encore in Vegas have announced closings. I can't imagine that the Ceasars and Boyd Casino Properties out there are very far behind
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
The Rivers Casino in Pittsburgh is closing for at least the next 2 weeks... (https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/rivers-casino-closes-due-to-caution-regarding-coronavirus/)
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
The three Detroit casinos (MGM Grand, MotorCity, and Greektown) are still open. They have closed some areas such as the buffets and spas, but I believe the gaming floors are still open. MotorCity has been constructing temporary walls and rearranging the locations of slots and table games to comply with the governor's order of no more than 250 people in a room; I don't know what the other casinos are doing. The tribal-owned casinos are under sovereign governance and thus are exempt from the governor's order; I don't know what if anything they are doing differently.
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
Harrahs Philly (Chester) and Rivers Casino in Philly are closed.
Since the MLS season was cancelled two games in and the likely makeup days in fall run into all sorts of challenges (FIFA calendar dates, stadium conflicts with NFL for some teams, travel fatigue from using commercial flights), there's some speculation that the league might just cancel inter-conference play. This season was supposed to be the first to not have all teams playing all teams (even with a staggered home-and-away schedule), so this would be a huge change.
Quote from: Bruce on March 15, 2020, 11:44:03 PM
Since the MLS season was cancelled two games in and the likely makeup days in fall run into all sorts of challenges (FIFA calendar dates, stadium conflicts with NFL for some teams, travel fatigue from using commercial flights), there's some speculation that the league might just cancel inter-conference play. This season was supposed to be the first to not have all teams playing all teams (even with a staggered home-and-away schedule), so this would be a huge change.
That might be difficult, since some inter-conference games have already occurred (Colorado-Orlando, Nashville-Atlanta, Dallas-Montreal, etc.)
Obviously the answer is to just end the regular season and proceed this fall with playoff seeding based on the two weeks that have occurred.
As far as traveling goes, travel by car in the USA is going to be cheap and uncrowded (and quite possibly as traffic cop free as it has been since the crime against humanity of the NMSL was first passed), it will be a great year to do some traveling, particularly if you are just doing true road clinching, or just seeing other parts of the country. As long as the basic hospitality infrastructure stays open (gas, restaurants, motels). Some states are trying to close restaurants, but that is an over-reaction. Air travel would not scare me as far as illness, but TSA foolishness will be ramped up. I would not leave the country, again not because it is dangerous, but just because you might not get back in.
As to sports, some sports have a higher opinion of their role in the world than they deserve. The market for finishing a winter sport season in August is really not there, other sports already have those slots (and, just as ESPN, et al, have a shortage now they don't need a glut (which would reduce the viewers for any one thing by dividing the market) later, pretty much they already know what they are going to show next August).
My predictions:
Baseball - Baseball over-reacted. The players were already around one-another. Even if they stopped ST, they could have just played scrimages, which is pretty much what the complex leagues do. Sending the players home was just asking for trouble. Restart about May 1.
NBA and NHL - Seasons over.
NFL - NFL draft is done on laptops. Which, substitute land-line telephone for laptop, is how it was done until ESPN made it a "thing" . NFL and college football start on time in August.
Horse racing - Horse races are being held (and shown in HD on Fox Sports One) and will continue to be. Because the horses have to be cared for, the workers have to come to work anyway, no extra risk with closed grandstands. Issue will be when the winter tracks are supposed to close and the spring tracks open, but its the same people traveling around anyway. Kentucky Derby will be held on the first Saturday in May, as always. Maybe before no fans, but held.
NASCAR and Indy Car - With the massive decline in NASCAR, 95% of the profit is in the over-bid TV contract. They don't need the live gate. They will be back sooner than anyone, with no fans for a few weeks. As to Indy, the 500 pays for everything else, and they have to run it. They will.
Golf - THE over-reaction. Take out the fans and what happens at a golf tournament is not really that different from what happens at every golf course in the world. It is 150 guys playing golf, a non-contact sport outdoors. They should have continued. The Masters will be the week of the PGA Championship, the tour will resume, no fans for a while. PGA Championship, scheduled for San Francisco, which no longer practices basic public health law enforcement, will move to Louisville or West Palm Beach, where the PGA of A, owns the courses, and be held during the planned Olympics break. The Open Championship ("British Open" to the uneducated) will not be held.
Olympics - Toast. Too many opinions, too many talking heads.
Quote from: SP Cook on March 16, 2020, 10:27:26 AM
Horse racing - Horse races are being held (and shown in HD on Fox Sports One) and will continue to be. Because the horses have to be cared for, the workers have to come to work anyway, no extra risk with closed grandstands. Issue will be when the winter tracks are supposed to close and the spring tracks open, but its the same people traveling around anyway. Kentucky Derby will be held on the first Saturday in May, as always. Maybe before no fans, but held.
Rumor is that the Kentucky Derby is going to be pushed back to no earlier than June. Official decision expected within the next couple days.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 15, 2020, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
The three Detroit casinos (MGM Grand, MotorCity, and Greektown) are still open. They have closed some areas such as the buffets and spas, but I believe the gaming floors are still open. MotorCity has been constructing temporary walls and rearranging the locations of slots and table games to comply with the governor's order of no more than 250 people in a room; I don't know what the other casinos are doing. The tribal-owned casinos are under sovereign governance and thus are exempt from the governor's order; I don't know what if anything they are doing differently.
The gaming floors will close at 3 pm Eastern, and checkout for the hotels will be at 5 pm. Governor Whitmer's orders.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 15, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
Harrahs Philly (Chester) and Rivers Casino in Philly are closed.
Re Delaware's three racinos: Delaware Park's is closed but Dover Downs' and Harrington's remain open. As for live racing, only Dover Downs is in a current meet and they are racing today/tonight (DD races Mon thru Thurs but last Thursday's card was canceled). DelPark and Harrington race live in the summer. BTW Delaware only allows casinos at its horse tracks.
All six of Maryland's casinos (only one of which is a racino) are closed. The racino is Ocean Downs near Ocean City, which races live in the summer.
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I've thought over the last few hours that this could lead to permanent Olympic changes, as in the Summer Games moving to 2022 (Tokyo), 2026 (Paris), 2030 (Los Angeles), and so on, with the Winter Games moving to 2024, 2028, and so on. This would also allow the IOC to potentially find a new host for the 2024 Winter Games as the 2022 Games were scheduled to be held in Beijing. I could see China banned from the next Olympiad for both Summer and Winter and from the next World Cup.
Quote from: renegade on March 16, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 15, 2020, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
The three Detroit casinos (MGM Grand, MotorCity, and Greektown) are still open. They have closed some areas such as the buffets and spas, but I believe the gaming floors are still open. MotorCity has been constructing temporary walls and rearranging the locations of slots and table games to comply with the governor's order of no more than 250 people in a room; I don't know what the other casinos are doing. The tribal-owned casinos are under sovereign governance and thus are exempt from the governor's order; I don't know what if anything they are doing differently.
The gaming floors will close at 3 pm Eastern, and checkout for the hotels will be at 5 pm. Governor Whitmer's orders.
Some of the tribal casinos are closing:
Gun Lake - closed through at least March 30
Firekeepers - closed until further notice (likely sometime in April)
Little River - closed through at least March 30 (the co-owned gas station across the street will remain open)
Bay Mills - closing on Friday through at least April 3
Not sure about Leelanau Sands, Turtle Creek, Odawa, Four Winds, or Soaring Eagle (but some of them have closed certain areas such as large restaurants)
From my experience, casinos tend to attract older crowds that smoke (in fact, I think I've seen people smoking at a casino while on oxygen)
NASCAR races postponed until May.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/03/16/nascar-schedule-update-statement-race-coronavirus/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/03/16/nascar-schedule-update-statement-race-coronavirus/)
Quote from: Eth on March 16, 2020, 08:55:13 AM
Quote from: Bruce on March 15, 2020, 11:44:03 PM
Since the MLS season was cancelled two games in and the likely makeup days in fall run into all sorts of challenges (FIFA calendar dates, stadium conflicts with NFL for some teams, travel fatigue from using commercial flights), there's some speculation that the league might just cancel inter-conference play. This season was supposed to be the first to not have all teams playing all teams (even with a staggered home-and-away schedule), so this would be a huge change.
That might be difficult, since some inter-conference games have already occurred (Colorado-Orlando, Nashville-Atlanta, Dallas-Montreal, etc.)
Obviously the answer is to just end the regular season and proceed this fall with playoff seeding based on the two weeks that have occurred.
That would be the worst possible scenario. We could add two intra-conference games to compensate or just void the match results to make up.
Quote from: ftballfan on March 16, 2020, 07:07:54 PM
I've thought over the last few hours that this could lead to permanent Olympic changes, as in the Summer Games moving to 2022 (Tokyo), 2026 (Paris), 2030 (Los Angeles), and so on, with the Winter Games moving to 2024, 2028, and so on. This would also allow the IOC to potentially find a new host for the 2024 Winter Games as the 2022 Games were scheduled to be held in Beijing. I could see China banned from the next Olympiad for both Summer and Winter and from the next World Cup.
Moving the Summer Olympics to conflict with the World Cup would not end well, even looking beyond the implications for soccer players.
Regarding WrestleMania...
https://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/article/wrestlemania-36-statement (https://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/article/wrestlemania-36-statement)
Quote from: renegade on March 16, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on March 15, 2020, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 15, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Have any casinos been closed yet?
The three Detroit casinos (MGM Grand, MotorCity, and Greektown) are still open. They have closed some areas such as the buffets and spas, but I believe the gaming floors are still open. MotorCity has been constructing temporary walls and rearranging the locations of slots and table games to comply with the governor's order of no more than 250 people in a room; I don't know what the other casinos are doing. The tribal-owned casinos are under sovereign governance and thus are exempt from the governor's order; I don't know what if anything they are doing differently.
The gaming floors will close at 3 pm Eastern, and checkout for the hotels will be at 5 pm. Governor Whitmer's orders.
According to MotorCity's website and press releases, their hotel is still open. I don't know about the other two.
Quote from: Bruce on March 16, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on March 16, 2020, 07:07:54 PM
I've thought over the last few hours that this could lead to permanent Olympic changes, as in the Summer Games moving to 2022 (Tokyo), 2026 (Paris), 2030 (Los Angeles), and so on, with the Winter Games moving to 2024, 2028, and so on. This would also allow the IOC to potentially find a new host for the 2024 Winter Games as the 2022 Games were scheduled to be held in Beijing. I could see China banned from the next Olympiad for both Summer and Winter and from the next World Cup.
Moving the Summer Olympics to conflict with the World Cup would not end well, even looking beyond the implications for soccer players.
It wouldn't be an issue in 2022, as the World Cup is scheduled to be in November and December. 2026 and beyond might be an issue
Kentucky Derby moved to September, in what can only be called a $$ based decision. Horse racing will probably be coming to an end when the winter tracks' meet times come to an end and they are not permitted to move on to the spring tracks.
Quote from: ftballfan on March 16, 2020, 07:07:54 PM
I've thought over the last few hours that this could lead to permanent Olympic changes, as in the Summer Games moving to 2022 (Tokyo), 2026 (Paris), 2030 (Los Angeles), and so on, with the Winter Games moving to 2024, 2028, and so on. This would also allow the IOC to potentially find a new host for the 2024 Winter Games as the 2022 Games were scheduled to be held in Beijing. I could see China banned from the next Olympiad for both Summer and Winter and from the next World Cup.
I hope Tokyo doesn't lose the Olympics this year, it seems unfair for them to lose it due to something beyond their control. But the Olympics do run on four-year cycles so I don't think they would just move every Olympics two years further back from their year. Just as the Presidential Election is every four years and exactly that, the same is probably true for the summer and winter games.
Assuming that Paris keeps the 2024 games and L.A. gets the 2028 games, I would guess that Tokyo may have to wait until 2032 to hold the summer games. Instead of banning China from the Olympics I would take away the 2022 Winter Games from Beijing. I don't think its fair for China to be able to hold their Olympics while Japan gets denied for something that originated in China. The IOC should then force China to wait until at least 2034 to have the Winter Games return to Beijing so that Tokyo gets to go first before them.
In lieu of the 2022 Winter Games not being held in Beijing, I suggest either Salt Lake City or Calgary as a backup location, a city that has the facilities and can run the games pretty well. I would lean toward Salt Lake City since the IOC may want to be making up to NBC for cancelling the Tokyo games. There could be a few locations in Europe that could also hold the 2022 games I bet but since the '24 and '26 games are both in Europe I figured North America would be better.
Quote from: ftballfan on March 16, 2020, 11:35:55 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 16, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on March 16, 2020, 07:07:54 PM
I've thought over the last few hours that this could lead to permanent Olympic changes, as in the Summer Games moving to 2022 (Tokyo), 2026 (Paris), 2030 (Los Angeles), and so on, with the Winter Games moving to 2024, 2028, and so on. This would also allow the IOC to potentially find a new host for the 2024 Winter Games as the 2022 Games were scheduled to be held in Beijing. I could see China banned from the next Olympiad for both Summer and Winter and from the next World Cup.
Moving the Summer Olympics to conflict with the World Cup would not end well, even looking beyond the implications for soccer players.
It wouldn't be an issue in 2022, as the World Cup is scheduled to be in November and December. 2026 and beyond might be an issue
I don't see moving the Olympics back 2 years and bumping back all the successive summer and winter games as realistic. I think they will either have it this year, next year, or not at all.
They won't change the summer/winter cycle. Aside from reasons already noted, the IOC feels very strongly about the Summer Games being on the four-year "Olympiad" cycle in the spirit of the ancient Olympics. Note how they call what is popularly known as the Summer Olympics the "Games of the ### Olympiad" (example: Los Angeles 1984 were the Games of the XXIII Olympiad), but they call what is popularly known as the Winter Olympics the "### Olympic Winter Games" (example: Calgary 1988 were the XV Olympic Winter Games). While it seems trivial, they feel very strongly about the "Olympiad" thing and they won't want to dispense with it.
$20 the 2022 Winter Olympics are held in either Vancouver, Calgary, or Salt Lake City, all of which have hosted them in the recent past (and China either boycotts or gets banned from competition). It's not as likely as above, but I could see Paris voluntarily moving back to 2028 and giving Tokyo the 2024 Games if they don't happen this year, which would bump Los Angeles to 2032 (which incidentally would be the 100th anniversary of Los Angeles' first Olympic hosting)
Speaking of international competition, I feel that China could get banned from qualifying for the 2022 World Cup. Precedent for this includes Germany and Japan being banned from the 1948 Olympics (both summer and winter) and the 1950 World Cup
Well the Germans and the Japanese of that time were in a bit of a different category, don't you think?
Anyway, there is a certain sub-category of sports, including the Olympics broadly and several sports within them, that are truly world tours, which is a little more than having a game or two in some far off place. Formula One, tennis, golf to an extent, track, skiing, some others. The idea that it is normal and right to travel to places like China, either for sports, or business, or tourism is coming to an end.
And it should.
We're blaming China for a new disease originating there? How are we punishing Africa for AIDS? Seriously, no one knew what we had here before it got out.
Well if the disease indeed did stem from unsanitary food storage handling practices in an outdoor food market in Wuhan I don't think it's totally unfair that China has to wear some of this.
It's kind of aggravating to me that China has recovered as quickly as they have only by using their totalitarian regime to control people, and it's cost the west it's freedom of mobility.
I know it's more complicated than that, but I don't think it's totally unfair to feel that way.
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 17, 2020, 02:11:29 PM
It's kind of aggravating to me that China has recovered as quickly as they have only by using their totalitarian regime to control people, and it's cost the west it's its freedom of mobility.
South Korea is leveling off now.
I think it's completely right to be suspicious of what's going on in China.
They only let out what they want to let out, we may never have any idea of what it's actually like to be living there, especially in the areas hardest hit.
Quote from: Bruce on March 16, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on March 16, 2020, 07:07:54 PM
I've thought over the last few hours that this could lead to permanent Olympic changes, as in the Summer Games moving to 2022 (Tokyo), 2026 (Paris), 2030 (Los Angeles), and so on, with the Winter Games moving to 2024, 2028, and so on. This would also allow the IOC to potentially find a new host for the 2024 Winter Games as the 2022 Games were scheduled to be held in Beijing. I could see China banned from the next Olympiad for both Summer and Winter and from the next World Cup.
Moving the Summer Olympics to conflict with the World Cup would not end well, even looking beyond the implications for soccer players.
Maybe a bump of one year for all of them, giving Tokyo 2021, Beijing (or somewhere else) 2023, etc...
Is it possible that they will not be a Stanley Cup in hockey played this year? This could be the third time they will not be a Stanley Cup champion (the other two was 1919 and 2005).
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/four-brooklyn-nets-players-test-positive-coronavirus-team-announces (https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/four-brooklyn-nets-players-test-positive-coronavirus-team-announces)
Update 4 Brooklyn Nets Players have tested positive for COVID-19
Removed extraneous posting. Please keep this to sports.
The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League cancelled the remaining of the regular season and their upcoming draft will be online. https://www.capebretonpost.com/sports/local-sports/updated-quebec-major-junior-hockey-league-cancels-remainder-of-regular-season-425647/
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/qmjhl-draft-conducted-online-amid-covid-19-pandemic/
I don't understand why so many one-time events are going to be cancelled rather than just postponed. For example, the Masters could simply supplant literally any other tournament on the PGA schedule from now until August, save for maybe the U.S. open.
Quote from: thspfc on March 19, 2020, 08:17:23 AM
I don't understand why so many one-time events are going to be cancelled rather than just postponed. For example, the Masters could simply supplant literally any other tournament on the PGA schedule from now until August, save for maybe the U.S. open.
The Masters is postponed rather than cancelled. It's just sloppy reporting that is lumping it in with other tournaments on the schedule which are actually cancelled. It will likely be played in the Fall.
Major League Rugby has cancelled its entire season and won't crown a champion.
This means two-time defending champion Seattle can keep the title, despite having a pretty bad start to their 2020 season.
F1 postponed the May races, including Monaco (which effectively means cancelling Monaco because of the process involved in setting up the circuit). Meanwhile, Prince Albert of Monaco tested positive for the virus.
NASCAR says they're going to reschedule the races that are being postponed.
Wonder if they'll try more of the "Pocono doubles" that they'd planned for this year to work around the Olympics?
There are only a handful of open dates on the schedule. Easter is one, but it's coming up shortly. Mother's Day is another, but they have been running some races on Saturday night of that weekend in recent years.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 19, 2020, 03:27:42 PM
NASCAR says they're going to reschedule the races that are being postponed.
Wonder if they'll try more of the "Pocono doubles" that they'd planned for this year to work around the Olympics?
There are only a handful of open dates on the schedule. Easter is one, but it's coming up shortly. Mother's Day is another, but they have been running some races on Saturday night of that weekend in recent years.
Right now the evening before Mother's Day is when NASCAR plans to restart at Martinsville.
One guy on the Hamilton-Spectator wonder when a Toronto team won a championship, if it's bring a curse?
https://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/9906106-the-2020-coronavirus-pandemic-and-the-curse-of-toronto-sports-teams/
There's also a French article about this as well and I got to agree with that poster on Twitter.
https://www.ballecourbe.ca/toronto-malediction-sportive
https://twitter.com/D6plus/status/1238359003232645121
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 19, 2020, 02:03:10 PM
F1 postponed the May races, including Monaco (which effectively means cancelling Monaco because of the process involved in setting up the circuit). Meanwhile, Prince Albert of Monaco tested positive for the virus.
Monaco cancelled, rather than postponed, per the organizers.
The NFL has it's first COVID-19 case...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28927492/saints-sean-payton-says-tested-positive-coronavirus (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28927492/saints-sean-payton-says-tested-positive-coronavirus)
Kind of ironic that Michigan very recently approved sports betting in casinos, isn't it?
Now both the sports and the casinos are shut down.
https://abc7.com/health/2-la-lakers-test-positive-for-coronavirus/6029455/ (https://abc7.com/health/2-la-lakers-test-positive-for-coronavirus/6029455/)
Update Two members of the L.A. Lakers have been tested positive for COVID-19
Quote from: GaryV on March 19, 2020, 06:25:15 PM
Kind of ironic that Michigan very recently approved sports betting in casinos, isn't it?
Now both the sports and the casinos are shut down.
Seems like professional sports in Michigan have been shut down for a few years now.
Quote from: SP Cook on March 16, 2020, 10:27:26 AM
Horse racing - Horse races are being held (and shown in HD on Fox Sports One) and will continue to be. Because the horses have to be cared for, the workers have to come to work anyway, no extra risk with closed grandstands. Issue will be when the winter tracks are supposed to close and the spring tracks open, but its the same people traveling around anyway.
Most tracks have a live feed on their website that you can watch for free.
ESPN8 appeared today magically just to give SOME sports to watch - even if they're last year's, most people wouldn't have seen any of them.
FOX is going to show a really old NASCAR race today @ 3PM. 1986 Richmond. But this depends on if the local affiliates will show it. Still, it's super cool that they are going to show a race that most people would have never seen, instead of, say, last years race @ Homestead (which is the race track that they would have be at).
https://twitter.com/nascaronfox/status/1241371148945850368
Younger fans seeing how great NASCAR was back then, before Brian France's idiotic rules changes, will just show them how great the sport used to be. Racing back to the caution, no head in a harness spotter dependence, no segments, no idiotic chase, who won the race that week was of paramount importance not making some idiotic chase to be held months later which produces a random result, cars that were truly based up and resembled stock, drivers there mostly on merit and not because of whose grandson they are.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51991851 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51991851)
Here is an Update Lorenzo Sanz the former Real Madrid President has died due to the complications of COVID-19.
Quote from: SP Cook on March 22, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
Younger fans seeing how great NASCAR was back then, before Brian France's idiotic rules changes, will just show them how great the sport used to be. Racing back to the caution, no head in a harness spotter dependence, no segments, no idiotic chase, who won the race that week was of paramount importance not making some idiotic chase to be held months later which produces a random result, cars that were truly based up and resembled stock, drivers there mostly on merit and not because of whose grandson they are.
ESPN used to run full-day marathons of some of the older races on holidays. Jocko Maggiacomo, Earnhardt in the #2 Wrangler Ford, Tim Richmond, Harry Gant.
Yesterday they ran some kind of simulated racing event with drivers from the various levels participating. Denny Hamlin body-slammed Dale Jr. coming out of the last turn to win. Mike Joy and Jeff Gordon were doing their usual commentary.
A funny story coming out of this concerns the rerunning of some NCAA tournament games. There are several videos circulating of youngsters watching the infamous UK-Duke Christian Laettner game. Of course, the parents knew how that one turned out, but the kids didn't. In one of the videos, a kid kicked a pillow. In another one, a kid was holding his younger brother and threw him to the ground in disgust (he was unharmed). We're raising a whole new generation of Wildcat fans to hate Duke and Laettner thanks to the coronavirus.
I'd like to see a replay of the 1975 regional final between UK and unbeaten Indiana. That was the only game I ever saw my dad get excited about. Everyone's feelings were still raw about what happened earlier in the year when Bobby Knight slapped Joe B. Hall in the back of the head. They were friends before that, but not afterwards. I just saw a portion of a recent interview with the now-91-year-old Hall who said that he wouldn't pee up Knight's backside if his guts were on fire. It's a common expression of dislike around here, but Hall hasn't forgotten, and he said that victory was probably his most meaningful during his 13 years at UK.
The NRL has suspended their season after playing without spectators.
Looks like the Olympics are gonna get postponed.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2020/03/23/olympics-2020-ioc-member-tokyo-games-postponed-dick-pound-coronavirus/2899848001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2020/03/23/olympics-2020-ioc-member-tokyo-games-postponed-dick-pound-coronavirus/2899848001/)
Quote from: SP Cook on March 22, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
no head in a harness spotter dependence
So you're okay with drivers dying in a crash, then. Nice.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 20, 2020, 07:48:51 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 19, 2020, 06:25:15 PM
Kind of ironic that Michigan very recently approved sports betting in casinos, isn't it?
Now both the sports and the casinos are shut down.
Seems like professional sports in Michigan have been shut down for a few years now.
At one point weren't both the Pistons and Wings in last place at the same time? I know the Wings were because they had the fewest points in the entire league. That would go for the Tigers and Lions ending their last season's in last place for all four Detroit teams to be in last place within the same year.
Such a disappointment with the Wings and Pistons to open a new arena a few years ago only to be worse than they were in their old buildings.
Hard times for the Wolverines, too. That fictional town called "Beatosu" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatosu_and_Goblu) on the the 1978 MI state map? That's happened 3 times in the past 20 seasons. They still lead the series, and they're often a top 25 team, but the fans want more than that.
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2020, 10:13:11 PM
Hard times for the Wolverines, too. That fictional town called "Beatosu" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatosu_and_Goblu) on the the 1978 MI state map? That's happened 3 times in the past 20 seasons. They still lead the series, and they're often a top 25 team, but the fans want more than that.
They've had good teams, just not as good as Ohio State. They are in better shape than the Spartans are.
Tokyo Olympics postponed. No surprise, other than that it took them this long to agree to postpone it.
Quote from: thspfc on March 23, 2020, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 22, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
no head in a harness spotter dependence
So you're okay with drivers dying in a crash, then. Nice.
I don't think that's what he's saying. The drivers are overly dependent on spotters now, and with blind spots at some of the tracks and radio communications not always working properly, it makes more a different style of racing and sometimes wrecks when drivers are expecting to hear where someone is and they don't hear the spotter, and run into them.
Statement from the International Olympic Committee:
https://www.olympic.org/news/joint-statement-from-the-international-olympic-committee-and-the-tokyo-2020-organising-committee (https://www.olympic.org/news/joint-statement-from-the-international-olympic-committee-and-the-tokyo-2020-organising-committee)
Formula 1 has postponed or cancelled its first eight races of the season and doesn't plan to resume until mid-June at the earliest: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.statement-from-f1-ceo-chase-carey-when-the-situation-improves-well-be-ready.605dLuJYFSuJlOw8E2T4F5.html
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Quote from: thspfc on March 23, 2020, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 22, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
no head in a harness spotter dependence
So you're okay with drivers dying in a crash, then. Nice.
I don't think that's what he's saying. The drivers are overly dependent on spotters now, and with blind spots at some of the tracks and radio communications not always working properly, it makes more a different style of racing and sometimes wrecks when drivers are expecting to hear where someone is and they don't hear the spotter, and run into them.
Exactly.
There are two further points.
Motorsports is about finding a point along a continuum of compromise between safety and sport. The current point chosen on that continuum is no more or less valid than any other point. People that do not understand motorsports and post idiocy like "your OK with drivers dying" just do not understand motorsports. Understand that if NASCAR just had the drivers stand on pit road and make engine noises with their mouths and then decide the race with rock-paper-scissors, and I pointed out that the sport would be better if they actually started the cars and raced, the same idiotic response about "drivers dying" would equally apply, as it is far safer to use the R-P-S method. Those of us who understand the damage to the sport that head in a harness has caused (and who likewise view with great skepticism the safety claims) understand motorsports.
But the simpler point is we like motorsports. Fact is there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. Do you do what is reasonable to cut these down? Certainly. But there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. If you cannot accept that, or understand it, then motorsports is NOT FOR YOU, and you need to move on.
Quote from: SP Cook on March 25, 2020, 12:01:22 PM
But the simpler point is we like motorsports. Fact is there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. Do you do what is reasonable to cut these down? Certainly. But there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. If you cannot accept that, or understand it, then motorsports is NOT FOR YOU, and you need to move on.
Pit road speeds, limits on when pit crew members can come out to service cars, making pit crew members wear helmets and firesuits -- all of those have been done as well with no drastic impact on the quality of the product in the interests of safety. The same can't be said of eliminating racing back to the caution.
Think Dave Marcis could get by with wearing wingtip shoes now? I doubt it.
Tony Stewart always preferred the Hutchens (sp?) head restraint instead of the HANS device that NASCAR eventually mandated. IIRC he said it gave him the same level of protection while preserving his ability to see what was going on around him.
Deaths can occur in any sport. Two Kentuckians were involved in the baseball incident where a guy got killed when he was hit by a pitch. How many stories do we hear about basketball players collapsing and dying on the court? I saw a reminder about Hank Gathers the other day, and I think a West Virginia high school player collapsed and died in the last year or two. Same for football.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 25, 2020, 12:01:22 PM
But the simpler point is we like motorsports. Fact is there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. Do you do what is reasonable to cut these down? Certainly. But there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. If you cannot accept that, or understand it, then motorsports is NOT FOR YOU, and you need to move on.
Pit road speeds, limits on when pit crew members can come out to service cars, making pit crew members wear helmets and firesuits -- all of those have been done as well with no drastic impact on the quality of the product in the interests of safety. The same can't be said of eliminating racing back to the caution.
Think Dave Marcis could get by with wearing wingtip shoes now? I doubt it.
Tony Stewart always preferred the Hutchens (sp?) head restraint instead of the HANS device that NASCAR eventually mandated. IIRC he said it gave him the same level of protection while preserving his ability to see what was going on around him.
Deaths can occur in any sport. Two Kentuckians were involved in the baseball incident where a guy got killed when he was hit by a pitch. How many stories do we hear about basketball players collapsing and dying on the court? I saw a reminder about Hank Gathers the other day, and I think a West Virginia high school player collapsed and died in the last year or two. Same for football.
And there Chuck Hughes ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hughes) who died during a 1971 NFL game.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 25, 2020, 12:01:22 PM
But the simpler point is we like motorsports. Fact is there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. Do you do what is reasonable to cut these down? Certainly. But there WILL be deaths in motorsports in the future. If you cannot accept that, or understand it, then motorsports is NOT FOR YOU, and you need to move on.
Pit road speeds, limits on when pit crew members can come out to service cars, making pit crew members wear helmets and firesuits -- all of those have been done as well with no drastic impact on the quality of the product in the interests of safety. The same can't be said of eliminating racing back to the caution.
While I enjoyed the times when racing back to the caution flag made for some unexpected excitement, it really had to go. The problem is that sometimes the caution flag is waved at a arbitrary point of an incident or for "debris on the track", and that kind of shakes things up for position changes at the moments before the flag and after, which aren't allowed.
But just because there wasn't a major incident that can be traced to the prohibition in the mid-1990s, didn't mean that it wasn't dangerous. All it would have taken is someone hitting a stopped/slowing car, a safety vehicle, or track workers which was really a case of
when, not
if. There was an ARCA race at Daytona in 1990 (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1994-10-02-9409300988-story.html) where a track worker was badly hurt during a caution, and one doesn't have to look far outside NASCAR to see examples where it's obviously dangerous for drivers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Japanese_Grand_Prix) and track-workers/marshals (https://www.deseret.com/1990/9/3/18879231/course-worker-killed-at-auto-race) alike during mixed-flag conditions. Motorsports are always going to have an element of obvious danger, but after the safety of the fans, the course workers donating their time is something that ought to be respected.
I don't think it's caused the downfall of NASCAR's top tier spectacle (there's probably a dozen more things that have caused it), but yet bump-drafting and a patchy observance of rules continues.
I may not have made myself clear. Racing back to the caution may have improved safety, but it's also come at a cost to the on-track product. Instead now we get the "lucky dog/free pass" and "wave-arounds."
But even operating at yellow flag speeds has its risks. Remember Juan Pablo Montoya and the jet dryer?
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
I may not have made myself clear. Racing back to the caution may have improved safety, but it's also come at a cost to the on-track product. Instead now we get the "lucky dog/free pass" and "wave-arounds."
But even operating at yellow flag speeds has its risks. Remember Juan Pablo Montoya and the jet dryer?
Isn't one of the main draws to motor racing the aspect of danger?...or even to that end much of sports? To me that was always the case and something that always seemed to be a draw for the competitors too. I'm not saying that racing should be unsafe (in fact it was a blood bath until the last couple decades) but taking away certain aspects like racing back to the flag really hurt it's appeal IMO. Similarly the NHL really used to have a big draw of people who wanted to see fights as much as the actual game. Making hockey more PC in the name of safety ended up pushing a lot of people away. Arguably the same thing is beginning to happen with football at all levels.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
I may not have made myself clear. Racing back to the caution may have improved safety, but it's also come at a cost to the on-track product. Instead now we get the "lucky dog/free pass" and "wave-arounds."
But even operating at yellow flag speeds has its risks. Remember Juan Pablo Montoya and the jet dryer?
Yeah, there's going to be careless drivers - wasn't JPM racing around on yellow to catch up with the pack, especially when he had several laps to do so?
I think the racing-back-to-the-yellow was weakly enforced, sort of a gentleman's agreement that was rarely followed. If you happened to be half a lap away from the incident, then it wasn't causing harm. But if there was a genuine problem in Turn 4, then it got a little dangerous. There's also the notion that it might interfere with life-saving operations for a couple critical moments — the cars would continue to circulate at racing speeds for an extra 30-45 seconds before an ambulance could be dispatched.
I think the Lucky Dog should not have ever been initiated, unless there was a technicality where one shouldn't have been passed after the stripe, which is the only reason to have a wave-around, or that the pace car can't seem to find the right leader.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Deaths can occur in any sport. Two Kentuckians were involved in the baseball incident where a guy got killed when he was hit by a pitch. How many stories do we hear about basketball players collapsing and dying on the court? I saw a reminder about Hank Gathers the other day, and I think a West Virginia high school player collapsed and died in the last year or two. Same for football.
Some people have collapsed and died on a golf course after they insisted on walking it instead of riding the cart!
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Deaths can occur in any sport. Two Kentuckians were involved in the baseball incident where a guy got killed when he was hit by a pitch. How many stories do we hear about basketball players collapsing and dying on the court? I saw a reminder about Hank Gathers the other day, and I think a West Virginia high school player collapsed and died in the last year or two. Same for football.
Some people have collapsed and died on a golf course after they insisted on walking it instead of riding the cart!
That was actually a fairly regular occurrence when I lived in Phoenix given the high number of retirees.
Want to see what happens when motorcycles and rollerskates get mixed on the same track? Watch the original version of "Rollerball".
Rick
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 06:42:39 PM
Some people have collapsed and died on a golf course after they insisted on walking it instead of riding the cart!
That was actually a fairly regular occurrence when I lived in Phoenix given the high number of retirees.
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 06:42:39 PM
Some people have collapsed and died on a golf course after they insisted on walking it instead of riding the cart!
That was actually a fairly regular occurrence when I lived in Phoenix given the high number of retirees.
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Pretty much true for summer golf even in the middle or northern states. Get a really early start if the day will be hot.
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Pretty much true for summer golf even in the middle or northern states. Get a really early start if the day will be hot.
Not potentially 120F plus hot. The worst part is that you really don't know how fast you're getting dehydrated because of how dry the air is (usually) out in Phoenix. The only thing that can makes things worse is when it is 120F and a monsoon hit the day before, that's rancid humidity on the next level from Hell.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 11:50:11 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Pretty much true for summer golf even in the middle or northern states. Get a really early start if the day will be hot.
Not potentially 120F plus hot. The worst part is that you really don't know how fast you're getting dehydrated because of how dry the air is (usually) out in Phoenix. The only thing that can makes things worse is when it is 120F and a monsoon hit the day before, that's rancid humidity on the next level from Hell.
I would agree with this. I've spent a fair amount of time in Phoenix (about half my family lives there), and live in Northern Virginia part of the year. The east coast humidity is killer, but it's hard to describe desert heat like what you can experience in Phoenix. The worst part about Phoenix is how unwavering the heat is. Even at night (thanks to the urban heat-island effect), the temperate really doesn't drop that much, which is nuts given that the west coast is known for cold night-time temps year-round (even LA is jacket weather at night in the summer...mostly). Sure, the east coast and midwest are known for extreme humidity that doesn't always drop off at night either, but it doesn't pound at you like in Phoenix. In Phoenix, your only chance of escape during late spring into autumn is AC, unless you want to run from lightning during an afternoon monsoon.
This is all in addition to the actual temperate of each place being a good 15F apart during the summer; even with humidity, it's hard to match up to day-time temps in Phoenix. Never mind the monsoon humidity!
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Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Pretty much true for summer golf even in the middle or northern states. Get a really early start if the day will be hot.
Not potentially 120F plus hot. The worst part is that you really don't know how fast you're getting dehydrated because of how dry the air is (usually) out in Phoenix. The only thing that can makes things worse is when it is 120F and a monsoon hit the day before, that's rancid humidity on the next level from Hell.
I would agree with this. I've spent a fair amount of time in Phoenix (about half my family lives there), and live in Northern Virginia part of the year. The east coast humidity is killer, but it's hard to describe desert heat like what you can experience in Phoenix. The worst part about Phoenix is how unwavering the heat is. Even at night (thanks to the urban heat-island effect), the temperate really doesn't drop that much, which is nuts given that the west coast is known for cold night-time temps year-round (even LA is jacket weather at night in the summer...mostly). Sure, the east coast and midwest are known for extreme humidity that doesn't always drop off at night either, but it doesn't pound at you like in Phoenix. In Phoenix, your only chance of escape during late spring into autumn is AC, unless you want to run from lightning during an afternoon monsoon.
This is all in addition to the actual temperate of each place being a good 15F apart during the summer; even with humidity, it's hard to match up to day-time temps in Phoenix. Never mind the monsoon humidity!
When I lived in the area if I wanted to do a serious run or hike it needed to start usually around 4 AM and be over by 8 AM to avoid the temperature jumping over 100F. I've been distance running for over 20 years and Phoenix is the only place that got me so bad that I actually thought that I ever needed to call 911 for dehydration. Orlando was way more unpleasant with the swampy humidity but it was nowhere near as dangerous in reality as Phoenix. That's the big reason why you hear stories about people dying on the golf course out there semi regularly.
I was on a flight from Flint, Michigan to Orlando, Florida last night with only 6 passengers on the flight.
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 26, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
I'm honestly surprised that race hasn't been moved out of May with all the historic rain problems it has. The Fourth of July lines up with a NASCAR race weekend in Daytona anyways, might be something worthwhile if this years race goes off without a hitch.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 26, 2020, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 26, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
I'm honestly surprised that race hasn't been moved out of May with all the historic rain problems it has. The Fourth of July lines up with a NASCAR race weekend anyways, might be something worthwhile if this years race goes off without a hitch.
I go every year and I can say I'd rather take my chances with the late May rain than the 90+ degree heat of the summer. Even with covered seats it gets awfully uncomfortable in the heat.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 26, 2020, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 26, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
I'm honestly surprised that race hasn't been moved out of May with all the historic rain problems it has. The Fourth of July lines up with a NASCAR race weekend in Daytona anyways, might be something worthwhile if this years race goes off without a hitch.
NASCAR changed the schedule this year. The Brickyard 400 is scheduled for July 5 this year. It'll make for an interesting weekend in Indianapolis because the IndyCar "grand prix" race on the speedway's road course was rescheduled for July 4, which is the same day as the NASCAR Busch Series race (or whatever they call that series now) that's also being run on the road course. They'll switch the speedway to the oval configuration overnight for the Brickyard 400.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 26, 2020, 08:07:07 AM
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Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Pretty much true for summer golf even in the middle or northern states. Get a really early start if the day will be hot.
Not potentially 120F plus hot. The worst part is that you really don't know how fast you're getting dehydrated because of how dry the air is (usually) out in Phoenix. The only thing that can makes things worse is when it is 120F and a monsoon hit the day before, that's rancid humidity on the next level from Hell.
I would agree with this. I've spent a fair amount of time in Phoenix (about half my family lives there), and live in Northern Virginia part of the year. The east coast humidity is killer, but it's hard to describe desert heat like what you can experience in Phoenix. The worst part about Phoenix is how unwavering the heat is. Even at night (thanks to the urban heat-island effect), the temperate really doesn't drop that much, which is nuts given that the west coast is known for cold night-time temps year-round (even LA is jacket weather at night in the summer...mostly). Sure, the east coast and midwest are known for extreme humidity that doesn't always drop off at night either, but it doesn't pound at you like in Phoenix. In Phoenix, your only chance of escape during late spring into autumn is AC, unless you want to run from lightning during an afternoon monsoon.
This is all in addition to the actual temperate of each place being a good 15F apart during the summer; even with humidity, it's hard to match up to day-time temps in Phoenix. Never mind the monsoon humidity!
When I lived in the area if I wanted to do a serious run or hike it needed to start usually around 4 AM and be over by 8 AM to avoid the temperature jumping over 100F. I've been distance running for over 20 years and Phoenix is the only place that got me so bad that I actually thought that I ever needed to call 911 for dehydration. Orlando was way more unpleasant with the swampy humidity but it was nowhere near as dangerous in reality as Phoenix. That's the big reason why you hear stories about people dying on the golf course out there semi regularly.
That doesn't surprise me that people occasionally drop dead. Phoenix is beautiful on paper, but the heat is just constant. At least on the east coast, you'll get some occasional cool days or dry days. Not Phoenix! Other than when it rains in the afternoon (which is not everyday) during monsoon season, it's just hot. All. The. Time. The fact that it has become (and has remained) a popular retiree destination continues to surprise me. In my opinion, living in Phoenix requires you to be a fairly mobile for safety reasons (if you fall outside in the summer, it could eventually kill you), and that doesn't describe a lot of their populace now.
Side-note: I've long pushed for increased density in Phoenix as I see it quickly becoming another LA (where driving is slowly becoming the only realistic option for 90% of the people), but part of me wonders if there is at least some benefit to being spread out, to help decrease the heat-island effect. Granted, all of the cars aren't exactly doing the atmosphere any favours either.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 26, 2020, 03:25:24 PM
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Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 25, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 25, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
Gets well beyond 100 degrees in the summer, right?
Yes, most tee times are in the early morning in the summer though. Even around 6 AM it still can be 80-90F pretty easily.
Pretty much true for summer golf even in the middle or northern states. Get a really early start if the day will be hot.
Not potentially 120F plus hot. The worst part is that you really don't know how fast you're getting dehydrated because of how dry the air is (usually) out in Phoenix. The only thing that can makes things worse is when it is 120F and a monsoon hit the day before, that's rancid humidity on the next level from Hell.
I would agree with this. I've spent a fair amount of time in Phoenix (about half my family lives there), and live in Northern Virginia part of the year. The east coast humidity is killer, but it's hard to describe desert heat like what you can experience in Phoenix. The worst part about Phoenix is how unwavering the heat is. Even at night (thanks to the urban heat-island effect), the temperate really doesn't drop that much, which is nuts given that the west coast is known for cold night-time temps year-round (even LA is jacket weather at night in the summer...mostly). Sure, the east coast and midwest are known for extreme humidity that doesn't always drop off at night either, but it doesn't pound at you like in Phoenix. In Phoenix, your only chance of escape during late spring into autumn is AC, unless you want to run from lightning during an afternoon monsoon.
This is all in addition to the actual temperate of each place being a good 15F apart during the summer; even with humidity, it's hard to match up to day-time temps in Phoenix. Never mind the monsoon humidity!
When I lived in the area if I wanted to do a serious run or hike it needed to start usually around 4 AM and be over by 8 AM to avoid the temperature jumping over 100F. I've been distance running for over 20 years and Phoenix is the only place that got me so bad that I actually thought that I ever needed to call 911 for dehydration. Orlando was way more unpleasant with the swampy humidity but it was nowhere near as dangerous in reality as Phoenix. That's the big reason why you hear stories about people dying on the golf course out there semi regularly.
That doesn't surprise me that people occasionally drop dead. Phoenix is beautiful on paper, but the heat is just constant. At least on the east coast, you'll get some occasional cool days or dry days. Not Phoenix! Other than when it rains in the afternoon (which is not everyday) during monsoon season, it's just hot. All. The. Time. The fact that it has become (and has remained) a popular retiree destination continues to surprise me. In my opinion, living in Phoenix requires you to be a fairly mobile for safety reasons (if you fall outside in the summer, it could eventually kill you), and that doesn't describe a lot of their populace now.
Side-note: I've long pushed for increased density in Phoenix as I see it quickly becoming another LA (where driving is slowly becoming the only realistic option for 90% of the people), but part of me wonders if there is at least some benefit to being spread out, to help decrease the heat-island effect. Granted, all of the cars aren't exactly doing the atmosphere any favours either.
The sprawl and rapidly rising home prices were huge contributing factors as to why I left. I loved living in Phoenix and Arizona but I loathed working/commuting in an urban Hell-Scape. Phoenix was great when the Metro Area was 3 million but not nearly as much now. Tucson looks to more as more an attractive city now given it has less people and is higher up than Phoenix. I lived in the Phoenix Mountains I never thought it was any cooler there than the rest of the City. If I ever retire back in Arizona more than likely it would be in Flagstaff.
^^^
It gets mighty cold in Flagstaff during the winter. Housing is not cheap there. Heck, even the Village Inn closed up and they had the best bacon I ever had at a restaurant! At least the scenery is nice...
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on March 26, 2020, 05:53:02 PM
^^^
It gets mighty cold in Flagstaff during the winter. Housing is not cheap there. Heck, even the Village Inn closed up and they had the best bacon I ever had at a restaurant! At least the scenery is nice...
Rick
I spent so much time up there over the years, it's definitely my favorite of all the cities in Arizona. The cold weather in the winter is actually attractive for me since I would like some seasonal variation. The weird thing is that it gets absolutely frigid at night in Flagstaff almost all year but heats up a ton during the day. I've been up there plenty of times in the winter where it snowed truck loads overnight but was in the 50s the next day. Williams, Payson, and Show Low are some of my other favorites out on the Rim. Sedona is too hipster to tolerate for much longer than a day or two.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 26, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
That was a bit premature it was still 2 months away. Wait until we get closer to the date then make a decision.
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 26, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
That was a bit premature it was still 2 months away. Wait until we get closer to the date then make a decision.
Too much money would have been tied up - and lost - to make a change closer to the original date.
Quote from: GaryV on March 28, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 28, 2020, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 26, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
Indianapolis 500 postponed to August 23.
That was a bit premature it was still 2 months away. Wait until we get closer to the date then make a decision.
Too much money would have been tied up - and lost - to make a change closer to the original date.
Besides, at this point I don't think late May is a safe bet given how cautious everyone under the sun who might be able to obstruct the 500 might be. Don't forget, we're talking an event that handily has over 200,000 in attendance.
Quote from: nexus73 on March 26, 2020, 05:53:02 PM
^^^
It gets mighty cold in Flagstaff during the winter. Housing is not cheap there. Heck, even the Village Inn closed up and they had the best bacon I ever had at a restaurant! At least the scenery is nice...
Rick
I went to college at Northern Arizona in Flagstaff and lived there a bit after I didn't graduate. It's a beautiful area, to be sure. The winters are unpredictable. Some years you get absolutely dumped on with snow (3' blizzards) and other years, nothing. But wind seemed like it was constant and that's gets really nippy at that high altitude.
When I was starting to look to move back to Arizona a long time ago (February of this year), I did check out Flagstaff's real estate but it's very expensive. Tucson was my next go-to spot in Arizona. The heat is still bad in the summer, but not quite as oppressive as Phoenix has gotten.
Quote from: LM117 on March 24, 2020, 02:37:41 PM
Statement from the International Olympic Committee:
https://www.olympic.org/news/joint-statement-from-the-international-olympic-committee-and-the-tokyo-2020-organising-committee (https://www.olympic.org/news/joint-statement-from-the-international-olympic-committee-and-the-tokyo-2020-organising-committee)
The new schedule for next year has been posted.
https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-ipc-tokyo-2020-organising-committee-and-tokyo-metropolitan-government-announce-new-dates-for-the-olympic-and-paralympic-games-tokyo-2020 (https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-ipc-tokyo-2020-organising-committee-and-tokyo-metropolitan-government-announce-new-dates-for-the-olympic-and-paralympic-games-tokyo-2020)
Formula One team proposed a "camp" where all the drivers could get the disease, recover, be immune (I'm not sure that this is the type of disease that you get once and then have life immunity) and restart the race season.
https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2020/03/30/red-bulls-marko-says-he-proposed-formula-one-coronavirus-camp/ (https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2020/03/30/red-bulls-marko-says-he-proposed-formula-one-coronavirus-camp/)
Quote from: SP Cook on March 30, 2020, 12:17:19 PM
Formula One team proposed a "camp" where all the drivers could get the disease, recover, be immune (I'm not sure that this is the type of disease that you get once and then have life immunity) and restart the race season.
https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2020/03/30/red-bulls-marko-says-he-proposed-formula-one-coronavirus-camp/ (https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2020/03/30/red-bulls-marko-says-he-proposed-formula-one-coronavirus-camp/)
I think the injury he suffered 48 years ago (a stone through the helmet's visor) has come closer to his brain.
Calipari says he expects five UK players to enter the NBA draft (if there is one). I know there is talk of allowing an extra season of eligibility because the tournament was wiped out, but it sounds like most of these guys wouldn't take advantage of that if the NCAA allows it.
I watched a bunch of old NCAA tournament replays on Saturday. You'd think that after all these years, Pitino would learn to guard the inbounds passer, or K wouldn't burn his last timeout with five miinutes to go and then have Tubby Smith coach rings around him the rest of the game. :-D
Between CBS and CBSSN the C******** L****** game has been rerun 6 times so far. By far the oldest game they have shown. We know CBS hates UK.
Anyway, the extra eligibility issue is a tough one. The spring sports, like baseball/softball, track, lacrosse, I get. They never had a season. But the winter sports, well, no just at the "one and done" UK level, but at all levels, it stinks for those guys, but life is not always fair. There are only so many scholarships, so many spots on the teams, so many minutes of play time. What they would be trying to do is accommodate five years of athletes in a space made for four. Somebody is going to get done in. The guys who got a 4 year ride need to take the hit and free their spot for next year's crop.
Too bad then Google translator can't translate audios exterpts, I heard from this audio from a radio station in Quebec City then the impact of the aftermath of the coronovirus crisis on some sports teams in the NHL, NFL, NBA MLB. Some NHL teams will be hit very hard.
https://radiox.com/rnc/espoir-pour-les-reveurs-des-nordiques/2020/03/31/#main
I heard this morning (*NOT* a 01-April prank, BTW) that for the first time since World War II, the All-England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club has canceled the 2020 Wimbledon Tennis Championships.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/wimbledon-canceled-coronavirus-outbreak
:no:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on April 01, 2020, 07:41:29 PM
I heard this morning (*NOT* a 01-April prank, BTW) that for the first time since World War II, the All-England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club has canceled the 2020 Wimbledon Tennis Championships.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/wimbledon-canceled-coronavirus-outbreak
:no:
Mike
Also in the UK, Edinburgh has cancelled all five of its August festivals. The British Grand Prix is still on for now in mid-July (assuming Formula 1 doesn't pull the plug on its season, which seems more and more likely every day)
'The Open' (British Open) is also off for this year, again for the first time wince WWII.
:no:
Mike
https://www.kcra.com/article/gov-newsom-april-6-coronavirus-update/32052808 (https://www.kcra.com/article/gov-newsom-april-6-coronavirus-update/32052808)
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/sleep-train-arena-coronavirus/103-3c1fe1b4-fbaf-4b45-81e8-3ef80eb59232 (https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/sleep-train-arena-coronavirus/103-3c1fe1b4-fbaf-4b45-81e8-3ef80eb59232)
Update Sleep Train Arena the former home of the Sacramento Kings will be used as a temporary hospital.
The Masters has been rescheduled for early November, 2020-11-09 to 2020-11-15.
Mike
AP sources: MLB, union discuss playing all games in Arizona (https://apnews.com/43ddd669b1caabd5ebdef2481d85e17f?)
Straight out of left field
Phoenix average highs/lows: May: 94/69, June: 104/77, July: 106/83. And sunset in DST free Arizona in summer equates to 10:20 EDT, remembering that the vast majority of the population lives in ET or CT.
While the Diamondbacks stadium is domed, none of the spring training parks they propose to use is.
At best they could maybe start games at 9AM local or something.
In other similar ideas, the NBA is said to be looking at just having its playoffs in Las Vegas, fan-free. UNLV has three venues (the men's Thomas and Mack Center, the women's Cox Pavilion and their practice facility that adjoin one another) : and the NHL might head to, wait for it, North Dakota.
Las Vegas also has the hockey arena that could probably be used for basketball.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 07, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
Phoenix average highs/lows: May: 94/69, June: 104/77, July: 106/83. And sunset in DST free Arizona in summer equates to 10:20 EDT, remembering that the vast majority of the population lives in ET or CT.
While the Diamondbacks stadium is domed, none of the spring training parks they propose to use is.
At best they could maybe start games at 9AM local or something.
In other similar ideas, the NBA is said to be looking at just having its playoffs in Las Vegas, fan-free. UNLV has three venues (the men's Thomas and Mack Center, the women's Cox Pavilion and their practice facility that adjoin one another) : and the NHL might head to, wait for it, North Dakota.
Las Vegas has at least four decent-sized arenas that are used regularly for D1 men's college basketball: Thomas and Mack, T-Mobile, MGM Grand and the Orleans.
Professional baseball has been played outdoors in the summer in Arizona for many years. The Giants' AAA team played in Phoenix Muni and then Scottsdale Stadium for decades before being forced out when the Diamondbacks franchise was born. Tucson also had a AAA team until about 10 years ago. There's also an Arizona Summer League which is a rookie league. Most or all of the Cactus League ballparks have good enough lighting for HDTV broadcasts of spring training games. It's not a very good solution but the conditions wouldn't be any worse than what those AAA players dealt with.
Quote from: Bruce on April 07, 2020, 02:40:40 AM
AP sources: MLB, union discuss playing all games in Arizona (https://apnews.com/43ddd669b1caabd5ebdef2481d85e17f?)
Straight out of left field
I would agree with SP Cook's prior assessment. Arizona is a dry heat, but it's still hot as hell.
Why not the Seattle or Portland areas? Perhaps even the Bay Area or Southern California? If we're talking about minimal audiences, do we really need to host the games at spring-training-level parks? Certainly we could track down 10 or 15 stadiums in those cities where games could be hosted.
Unlike a lot of other cities in the US during the summer, those cities have really nice summer weather, and decent early fall weather. Not too hot, and not typically rainy. Certainly a lot more enjoyable than Arizona or Florida, and less rainy than Florida.
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 12:57:21 PM
Professional baseball has been played outdoors in the summer in Arizona for many years. The Giants' AAA team played in Phoenix Muni and then Scottsdale Stadium for decades before being forced out when the Diamondbacks franchise was born. Tucson also had a AAA team until about 10 years ago. There's also an Arizona Summer League which is a rookie league. Most or all of the Cactus League ballparks have good enough lighting for HDTV broadcasts of spring training games. It's not a very good solution but the conditions wouldn't be any worse than what those AAA players dealt with.
I don't think anyone would imply that Arizona's many baseball stadiums go unused during the summer. But they're mostly (completely?) inhabited by Arizona-based teams. For the same reason that the Dolphins might struggle in Foxborough, or the Pats might struggle in Miami, teams get used to their home climate. Asking the Mariners to play four months of baseball in Phoenix heat is asking for trouble.
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 07, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
Phoenix average highs/lows: May: 94/69, June: 104/77, July: 106/83. And sunset in DST free Arizona in summer equates to 10:20 EDT, remembering that the vast majority of the population lives in ET or CT.
While the Diamondbacks stadium is domed, none of the spring training parks they propose to use is.
At best they could maybe start games at 9AM local or something.
In other similar ideas, the NBA is said to be looking at just having its playoffs in Las Vegas, fan-free. UNLV has three venues (the men's Thomas and Mack Center, the women's Cox Pavilion and their practice facility that adjoin one another) : and the NHL might head to, wait for it, North Dakota.
Las Vegas has at least four decent-sized arenas that are used regularly for D1 men's college basketball: Thomas and Mack, T-Mobile, MGM Grand and the Orleans.
Professional baseball has been played outdoors in the summer in Arizona for many years. The Giants' AAA team played in Phoenix Muni and then Scottsdale Stadium for decades before being forced out when the Diamondbacks franchise was born. Tucson also had a AAA team until about 10 years ago. There's also an Arizona Summer League which is a rookie league. Most or all of the Cactus League ballparks have good enough lighting for HDTV broadcasts of spring training games. It's not a very good solution but the conditions wouldn't be any worse than what those AAA players dealt with.
Doubt that's going to happen given that some states are considering taking over stadiums and convention centers for temp hospitals.
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Since the reason the Arizona plan is being discussed at all is to get the television money flowing, I think the big problem with it would be that with virtually every game having to start at 7 p.m. MST or later due to the weather, that's 10 p.m. on the East Coast which defeats the purpose for all the East Coast teams. If something like this can overcome the health concerns I'd think the East Coast teams would prefer to play their "home" games at their training bases in Florida.
A more likely scenario: Some states and cities will be willing to let the teams play at their usual regular season stadiums, maybe with very small crowds. Others may not be willing to open the stadiums at all, whether there's a legitimate concern or maybe just because of the political optics. California Governor Gavin Newsom was quoted the other day as saying he couldn't even see California's NFL teams opening their season normally in September. So maybe some sort of hybrid plan evolves where the California teams and any other teams barred from their homes by the restrictions play at their spring camps while the rest go to their regular cities. There are probably some inequities there but it would get the season going, and is baseball really going to wait for the most restrictive state or city to finally relent?
How about assigning each division to a domed stadium and just play division games the first part of the season? Play 3 games per day (one team plays twice).
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Since the reason the Arizona plan is being discussed at all is to get the television money flowing, I think the big problem with it would be that with virtually every game having to start at 7 p.m. MST or later due to the weather, that's 10 p.m. on the East Coast which defeats the purpose for all the East Coast teams. If something like this can overcome the health concerns I'd think the East Coast teams would prefer to play their "home" games at their training bases in Florida.
A more likely scenario: Some states and cities will be willing to let the teams play at their usual regular season stadiums, maybe with very small crowds. Others may not be willing to open the stadiums at all, whether there's a legitimate concern or maybe just because of the political optics. California Governor Gavin Newsom was quoted the other day as saying he couldn't even see California's NFL teams opening their season normally in September. So maybe some sort of hybrid plan evolves where the California teams and any other teams barred from their homes by the restrictions play at their spring camps while the rest go to their regular cities. There are probably some inequities there but it would get the season going, and is baseball really going to wait for the most restrictive state or city to finally relent?
There always could be morning games, Phoenix was usually tolerable for distancing running in the summer time before 11-12 PM. That would also help with the problem of making sure East Coast people have something to broadcast...to an extent.
To that end I think you're right, one of these leagues is going to go where states allow them to play and it probably won't be California. Either way I don't the MLB can wait much longer with how much revenue they stand to lose. Either way people who follow sports or engage in some sort of athletic endeavor could really use the pick me up even if it is TV/Streaming only.
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Since the reason the Arizona plan is being discussed at all is to get the television money flowing, I think the big problem with it would be that with virtually every game having to start at 7 p.m. MST or later due to the weather, that's 10 p.m. on the East Coast which defeats the purpose for all the East Coast teams. If something like this can overcome the health concerns I'd think the East Coast teams would prefer to play their "home" games at their training bases in Florida.
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The problem is that it's impractical for teams just to use their own spring training sites because of the question of how you would make the schedule work when a division has some teams that train in Florida and some that train in Arizona. The AL West is an example that readily comes to mind for me–the Astros share the Nationals' spring training ballpark in West Palm Beach, Florida, while the other four AL West teams train in Arizona.
In other words, you could revise the schedule to eliminate interleague games and maybe even to restrict all games to in-division only, but you'd still have a geography/travel problem.
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 08, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Since the reason the Arizona plan is being discussed at all is to get the television money flowing, I think the big problem with it would be that with virtually every game having to start at 7 p.m. MST or later due to the weather, that's 10 p.m. on the East Coast which defeats the purpose for all the East Coast teams. If something like this can overcome the health concerns I'd think the East Coast teams would prefer to play their "home" games at their training bases in Florida.
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The problem is that it's impractical for teams just to use their own spring training sites because of the question of how you would make the schedule work when a division has some teams that train in Florida and some that train in Arizona. The AL West is an example that readily comes to mind for me–the Astros share the Nationals' spring training ballpark in West Palm Beach, Florida, while the other four AL West teams train in Arizona.
In other words, you could revise the schedule to eliminate interleague games and maybe even to restrict all games to in-division only, but you'd still have a geography/travel problem.
I would assume at this point the current schedule would be blown up and started from scratch. Really I couldn't see it being feasible without a morning/night and likely even double header rotation.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 08, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Since the reason the Arizona plan is being discussed at all is to get the television money flowing, I think the big problem with it would be that with virtually every game having to start at 7 p.m. MST or later due to the weather, that's 10 p.m. on the East Coast which defeats the purpose for all the East Coast teams. If something like this can overcome the health concerns I'd think the East Coast teams would prefer to play their "home" games at their training bases in Florida.
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The problem is that it's impractical for teams just to use their own spring training sites because of the question of how you would make the schedule work when a division has some teams that train in Florida and some that train in Arizona. The AL West is an example that readily comes to mind for me–the Astros share the Nationals' spring training ballpark in West Palm Beach, Florida, while the other four AL West teams train in Arizona.
In other words, you could revise the schedule to eliminate interleague games and maybe even to restrict all games to in-division only, but you'd still have a geography/travel problem.
I would assume at this point the current schedule would be blown up and started from scratch. Really I couldn't see it being feasible without a morning/night and likely even double header rotation.
I agree with you, but still, unless you totally throw out divisions and go with a single table in each league (similar to what the NFL did in the strike-shortened 1982 season when they used a single table for each conference), how would you make the standings work if, as in the example I raised, the Astros couldn't play any of the other teams in their own division?
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 08, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 08, 2020, 07:53:09 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 07, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:44:11 PM
Having actually attended a game at every Cactus League stadium I can attest that they are properly set up to do broadcasts and have most of the facilities MLB teams would want. The Phoenix area has a second advantage with large hotel facilities which could be rented out by MLB teams for a season.
Since the reason the Arizona plan is being discussed at all is to get the television money flowing, I think the big problem with it would be that with virtually every game having to start at 7 p.m. MST or later due to the weather, that's 10 p.m. on the East Coast which defeats the purpose for all the East Coast teams. If something like this can overcome the health concerns I'd think the East Coast teams would prefer to play their "home" games at their training bases in Florida.
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The problem is that it's impractical for teams just to use their own spring training sites because of the question of how you would make the schedule work when a division has some teams that train in Florida and some that train in Arizona. The AL West is an example that readily comes to mind for me–the Astros share the Nationals' spring training ballpark in West Palm Beach, Florida, while the other four AL West teams train in Arizona.
In other words, you could revise the schedule to eliminate interleague games and maybe even to restrict all games to in-division only, but you'd still have a geography/travel problem.
I would assume at this point the current schedule would be blown up and started from scratch. Really I couldn't see it being feasible without a morning/night and likely even double header rotation.
I agree with you, but still, unless you totally throw out divisions and go with a single table in each league (similar to what the NFL did in the strike-shortened 1982 season when they used a single table for each conference), how would you make the standings work if, as in the example I raised, the Astros couldn't play any of the other teams in their own division?
Given the circumstances I would be fine with that as a fan and I would imagine a lot of others would be too. End of the day I rather have some baseball than no baseball at all. If modification is what it takes to get it done I'd say do it. The first sport league that manages to pull off getting going again stands to get a huge televised viewership out of it.
To that end I'm really surprised that racing circuits aren't really making a bigger push to get restarted. The race track is essentially a closed environment anyways. The biggest concern would be probably the pit crews more than anything. All this E Racing stuff seems to have a decent following but it isn't the real deal.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
To that end I'm really surprised that racing circuits aren't really making a bigger push to get restarted. The race track is essentially a closed environment anyways. The biggest concern would be probably the pit crews more than anything. All this E Racing stuff seems to have a decent following but it isn't the real deal.
NASCAR will probably be one of the first to restart as it's purely domestic (even if the first few races would have no or very few fans). If Formula 1 has a season, I could see them redrawing the schedule completely to have an all-European schedule starting sometime in July, possibly keeping a couple of races outside Europe at the end of the season
It's even destroying road meets. :(
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
What about brunch, linner, and dinfast?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
What about brunch, linner, and dinfast?
All of it will come up the esophagus.
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
What about brunch, linner, and dinfast?
All of it will come up the esophagus.
The good news is then you can always eat that emergency bacon then and not worry about caloric intake.
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
The only thing it can't destroy is sleep and the internet.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 12:28:37 PM
Given the circumstances I would be fine with that as a fan and I would imagine a lot of others would be too. End of the day I rather have some baseball than no baseball at all. If modification is what it takes to get it done I'd say do it. The first sport league that manages to pull off getting going again stands to get a huge televised viewership out of it.
There's not going to be a MLB season unless it's safe to play at regular stadiums and have crowds again. The Arizona plan forgets one thing: players do not want to be sequestered from the rest of the world for several months, nor would every single stadium employee, broadcast crew and support people. And the second one player sneaks out to blow off steam, ending up positive for COVID-19, the whole thing is shut back down.
Sports isn't coming back until there's a vaccine and/or Covid-19 isn't a threat to society at large anymore. (My biggest hope is that when it mutates for a second wave, it comes back wimpy and pathetic.)
Disclaimer: I would say I really want to watch professional baseball, but I'm a Mariners fans and I'm not quite sure what that even is :spin:
Quote from: kwellada on April 10, 2020, 08:24:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 12:28:37 PM
Given the circumstances I would be fine with that as a fan and I would imagine a lot of others would be too. End of the day I rather have some baseball than no baseball at all. If modification is what it takes to get it done I'd say do it. The first sport league that manages to pull off getting going again stands to get a huge televised viewership out of it.
There's not going to be a MLB season unless it's safe to play at regular stadiums and have crowds again. The Arizona plan forgets one thing: players do not want to be sequestered from the rest of the world for several months, nor would every single stadium employee, broadcast crew and support people. And the second one player sneaks out to blow off steam, ending up positive for COVID-19, the whole thing is shut back down.
Sports isn't coming back until there's a vaccine and/or Covid-19 isn't a threat to society at large anymore. (My biggest hope is that when it mutates for a second wave, it comes back wimpy and pathetic.)
Disclaimer: I would say I really want to watch professional baseball, but I'm a Mariners fans and I'm not quite sure what that even is :spin:
When do MLB players stop getting a guaranteed check?...when does that begin to happen with other professional leagues? The XFL appears to have folded as of today, the same might be in store for other leagues that aren't lined with reserve cash. Didn't one of the big four sports leagues talk about something like a 20-25% interim salary reduction not so long ago?
But then again, couldn't that really be said of any business that has been shuttered right now. At some point businesses will go under if they can't operated. At what point does that become more damaging than the effects of a virus?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
To that end I'm really surprised that racing circuits aren't really making a bigger push to get restarted. The race track is essentially a closed environment anyways. The biggest concern would be probably the pit crews more than anything. All this E Racing stuff seems to have a decent following but it isn't the real deal.
Ideally, it could happen; but stand-by medical staff and emergency personnel is needed in so many other ways right now.
I suppose pit crews do work in close quarters and there's travel, posing a risk. Automotive repair has been considered an essential service in some places.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 09, 2020, 01:04:06 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
The only thing it can't destroy is sleep and the internet.
And Keith Richards.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 10, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on April 10, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 09, 2020, 01:04:06 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
The only thing it can't destroy is sleep and the internet.
And Keith Richards.
What I don't get it
Considering how many drugs he used it might have rendered him indestructible.
Quote from: formulanone on April 10, 2020, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
To that end I'm really surprised that racing circuits aren't really making a bigger push to get restarted. The race track is essentially a closed environment anyways. The biggest concern would be probably the pit crews more than anything. All this E Racing stuff seems to have a decent following but it isn't the real deal.
Ideally, it could happen; but stand-by medical staff and emergency personnel is needed in so many other ways right now.
I suppose pit crews do work in close quarters and there's travel, posing a risk. Automotive repair has been considered an essential service in some places.
The garage area at a typical NASCAR race is a very packed place even if you removed the fans from the equation. Usually there are at least 3 or more people working on a car at any given time. Race haulers essentially are the only place to take a break or having meetings. Pit crews are usually packed into a small space that is designed to hold equipment.
By comparison a garage in the outside world usually has only one person on a car, wide bays to work in, and break areas that are similar to a normal work place.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 10, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on April 10, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 09, 2020, 01:04:06 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
The only thing it can't destroy is sleep and the internet.
And Keith Richards.
What I don't get it
Roadgeekteen, I'll give you a pass since you are only 16. It's a meme. Keith Richards has led, shall we say, a very hard life with drugs and alcohol, yet at age 76 not only is still with us but continues to perform on stage with the Rolling Stones. Whereas many musicians much younger than him have died from much less substance abuse, Richards still carries on, to the point where the "Keith Richards will outlive us all" meme came to be.
My (just kidding) explanation is that somehow all those drugs he took has mutated his blood and turned it into formaldehyde, keeping him preserved forever.
(https://i.imgflip.com/3u4tcj.jpg)
Keith Richards is shielding Betty White.
Quote from: Alps on April 11, 2020, 01:17:54 AM
Keith Richards is shielding Betty White.
last photo I saw of her, she looked like she was standing at death's door, in stark contrast to her numerous film and TV appearances over the last decade.
Betty White could survive the bubonic plauge
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Betty White could survive the bubonic plauge
Most people could with how treatable it is nowadays. Back in the olden days of the Black Plague and Great Plague of London the mortality rate was lapping on "total" if got unlucky enough to contract the disease.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 11, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Betty White could survive the bubonic plauge
Most people could with how treatable it is nowadays. Back in the olden days of the Black Plague and Great Plague of London the mortality rate was lapping on "total" if got unlucky enough to contract the disease.
the plague killed 60% of Europe. Crazy.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 11, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Betty White could survive the bubonic plauge
Most people could with how treatable it is nowadays. Back in the olden days of the Black Plague and Great Plague of London the mortality rate was lapping on "total" if got unlucky enough to contract the disease.
the plague killed 60% of Europe. Crazy.
Yes, and it dragged out for decades as it tore it's way from Asia westward. That level of carnage has yet to be replicated.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Betty White could survive the bubonic plauge
She's just about old enough to have done so.
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Pirates have been F'ed since 1979 (except 2013).
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Did the Yankees get to pick their own division?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Pirates have been F'ed since 1979 (except 2013).
They were good in the early 90's when Jimmy Leland was managing them.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 11, 2020, 03:25:16 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 11, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Betty White could survive the bubonic plauge
Most people could with how treatable it is nowadays. Back in the olden days of the Black Plague and Great Plague of London the mortality rate was lapping on "total" if got unlucky enough to contract the disease.
the plague killed 60% of Europe. Crazy.
Yes, and it dragged out for decades as it tore it's way from Asia westward. That level of carnage has yet to be replicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdf5EXo6I68
Mike
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 11, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Pirates have been F'ed since 1979 (except 2013).
They were good in the early 90's when Jimmy Leland was managing them.
Yeah I know, they had Barry Bonds. But unfortunately, playing before the WC era, they could never win a playoff series. The 1979 WS vs the Orioles was their last playoff series win besides the WC game vs the Reds in 2013.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 12, 2020, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 11, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Pirates have been F'ed since 1979 (except 2013).
They were good in the early 90's when Jimmy Leland was managing them.
Yeah I know, they had Barry Bonds. But unfortunately, playing before the WC era, they could never win a playoff series. The 1979 WS vs the Orioles was their last playoff series win besides the WC game vs the Reds in 2013.
They had more than just him but he was obviously the most popular player. They went to the NLCS three years in a row though, lost to the Reds, then lost to the Braves twice. They actually had a better record in 2015 than 2013 as well but just couldn't win the WC game other than 2013.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 12, 2020, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 12, 2020, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 11, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 11, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
Pirates have been F'ed since 1979 (except 2013).
They were good in the early 90's when Jimmy Leland was managing them.
Yeah I know, they had Barry Bonds. But unfortunately, playing before the WC era, they could never win a playoff series. The 1979 WS vs the Orioles was their last playoff series win besides the WC game vs the Reds in 2013.
They had more than just him but he was obviously the most popular player. They went to the NLCS three years in a row though, lost to the Reds, then lost to the Braves twice. They actually had a better record in 2015 than 2013 as well but just couldn't win the WC game other than 2013.
In 2015 the top 3 records in the MLB were all in the NL central, with the 98 win Pirates and 97 win Cubs facing in the WC game.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 10, 2020, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 10, 2020, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on April 10, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 09, 2020, 01:04:06 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 08, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
It can destroy breakfast, lunch and dinner.
The only thing it can't destroy is sleep and the internet.
And Keith Richards.
What I don't get it
Considering how many drugs he used it might have rendered him indestructible.
They said that about Lemmy but cancer still got him anyhow :(
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:05 PM
MLB might have two new divisions possibly if they have a season. GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE (Florida) & CACTUS LEAGUE (Arizona)
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/report-mlb-considering-eliminating-national-american-leagues-2020-grapefruit-cactus-leagues/
If this happens, the Pirates are F'ed.
NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.
The Tigers might be worse than the Pirates
Quote from: kwellada on April 12, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
They said that about Lemmy but cancer still got him anyhow :(
Lemmy? :confused: :confused:
ixnay
Quote from: ixnay on April 13, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
Quote from: kwellada on April 12, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
They said that about Lemmy but cancer still got him anyhow :(
Lemmy? :confused: :confused:
ixnay
Looked it up, he was the lead singer of the Motorhead band.
Lemmy did a lot of speed (meth). He also smoked like a freight train.
The original power trio incarnation of Motorhead (Lemmy, Fast Eddie Clarke and Phil Taylor) was one of the greatest metal bands in history. They set the table for, among others, Metallica.
Somehow the WWE ended up being deemed "essential" in Florida. That might be the gateway for the MLB to use the Spring Training facilities.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 14, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
Somehow the WWE ended up being deemed "essential" in Florida. That might be the gateway for the MLB to use the Spring Training facilities.
Jim Cornette gave a pretty good (NSFW) take on it.
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
Chargers already used to no fans.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
I really haven't been interested in attending sports events all that much in the last decade aside from minor league stuff. The high prices and large crowds were a huge turn off. I would imagine a lot of others felt the same before this virus stuff started. I rather just watch on TV anyways and call it a day.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
I really haven't been interested in attending sports events all that much in the last decade aside from minor league stuff. The high prices and large crowds were a huge turn off. I would imagine a lot of others felt the same before this virus stuff started. I rather just watch on TV anyways and call it a day.
It's just not the same even watching on TV without the fans reacting to the plays.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 16, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
I really haven't been interested in attending sports events all that much in the last decade aside from minor league stuff. The high prices and large crowds were a huge turn off. I would imagine a lot of others felt the same before this virus stuff started. I rather just watch on TV anyways and call it a day.
It's just not the same even watching on TV without the fans reacting to the plays.
How? Because the crowd makes noise and all that jazz?...or the players do way over the top celebrations to spin up fan noise? I couldn't see that being the slightest consideration for me on whether a sporting event is viable or not. Golf and Auto Racing have gotten by with minimal effects from crowd noise for almost forever.
Rescheduled major events:
August 6-9: Golf - PGA Championship
August 23: Auto Racing - Indy 500
August 29-September 20: Cycling - Tour de France
August 30-September 13: Tennis - US Open [original dates]
September 5: Horse Racing - Kentucky Derby
September 17-20: Golf - US Open
September 19-October 4: Tennis - French Open
November 12-15: Golf - Masters
Not yet determined:
Horse Racing - Preakness Stakes, Belmont Stakes
Hockey - 2020 NHL playoffs
Basketball - 2020 NBA playoffs
Postponed a full year:
Soccer - EURO 2020, Copa America 2020
Olympics - Tokyo 2020
Cancelled:
Golf - Open Championship
Tennis - Wimbledon
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 16, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
I really haven't been interested in attending sports events all that much in the last decade aside from minor league stuff. The high prices and large crowds were a huge turn off. I would imagine a lot of others felt the same before this virus stuff started. I rather just watch on TV anyways and call it a day.
It's just not the same even watching on TV without the fans reacting to the plays.
How? Because the crowd makes noise and all that jazz?...or the players do way over the top celebrations to spin up fan noise? I couldn't see that being the slightest consideration for me on whether a sporting event is viable or not. Golf and Auto Racing have gotten by with minimal effects from crowd noise for almost forever.
Just watch the Minneapolis miracle. Not the same without the Vikings home crowd.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 16, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 16, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 16, 2020, 09:44:23 AM
Until we have a vaccine (at least 8 months away) or an effective treatment (very unlikely to be before the end of the year), all sports are going to have to by played without fans.
The biggest question is whether football would be willing to start in the Fall without fans or delay until Spring.
I really haven't been interested in attending sports events all that much in the last decade aside from minor league stuff. The high prices and large crowds were a huge turn off. I would imagine a lot of others felt the same before this virus stuff started. I rather just watch on TV anyways and call it a day.
It's just not the same even watching on TV without the fans reacting to the plays.
How? Because the crowd makes noise and all that jazz?...or the players do way over the top celebrations to spin up fan noise? I couldn't see that being the slightest consideration for me on whether a sporting event is viable or not. Golf and Auto Racing have gotten by with minimal effects from crowd noise for almost forever.
Just watch the Minneapolis miracle. Not the same without the Vikings home crowd.
Just put on some loud music as a background and you won't much notice much of a difference.
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
The crowd noises on TV let you know that you have to start paying attention to watch the replay of what you just missed while you were multitasking.
Quote from: GaryV on April 16, 2020, 02:51:05 PM
The crowd noises on TV let you know that you have to start paying attention to watch the replay of what you just missed while you were multitasking.
I kind of wonder if networks pumped in fake crowd noise if it would have same effect. Regardless the announcer would still be a good indicator something happen. The best thing about listening to sports on the radio is that the announcer has to illustrate what is going on with far more clarity than on TV.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: GaryV on April 16, 2020, 02:51:05 PM
The crowd noises on TV let you know that you have to start paying attention to watch the replay of what you just missed while you were multitasking.
I kind of wonder if networks pumped in fake crowd noise if it would have same effect. Regardless the announcer would still be a good indicator something happen. The best thing about listening to sports on the radio is that the announcer has to illustrate what is going on with far more clarity than on TV.
Way back when they first started broadcasting sports on the radio, they did it from the studio at home. Someone at the ballpark telegraphed the plays, and the announcer made up the action. Someone made crowd noises - there's probably some Foley artist that had responsibility for that.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: GaryV on April 16, 2020, 02:51:05 PM
The crowd noises on TV let you know that you have to start paying attention to watch the replay of what you just missed while you were multitasking.
I kind of wonder if networks pumped in fake crowd noise if it would have same effect. Regardless the announcer would still be a good indicator something happen. The best thing about listening to sports on the radio is that the announcer has to illustrate what is going on with far more clarity than on TV.
Meh that would be lame. I would prefer a quiet stadium, that would be kinda cool.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
SI had an article about declining CFB attendance back in January, before Covid really started turning up on America's radar...
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa
ixnay
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 16, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: GaryV on April 16, 2020, 02:51:05 PM
The crowd noises on TV let you know that you have to start paying attention to watch the replay of what you just missed while you were multitasking.
I kind of wonder if networks pumped in fake crowd noise if it would have same effect. Regardless the announcer would still be a good indicator something happen. The best thing about listening to sports on the radio is that the announcer has to illustrate what is going on with far more clarity than on TV.
Meh that would be lame. I would prefer a quiet stadium, that would be kinda cool.
It was lame when sitcoms did it but when TV producers tried to experiment with taking it away it wasn't positively received. There was this sitcom called Sports Night that eventually didn't have a laugh track and it felt all sorts of off.
Quote from: ixnay on April 16, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
SI had an article about declining CFB attendance back in January, before Covid really started turning up on America's radar...
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa
ixnay
Also completely unrelated to the current episode, I've been increasingly BIG-TIME bearish on the future of college sports overall in recent years. Not only with the declining attendances, but a whole lot of other things like a push to allow 'professionalism' and unionization of the players in some programs, the fast growing financial soufflés in the registrars' offices (the student loan thing and too many kids being pushed into the universities who have no business being in them) and a whole lot of other 'off the field' stuff, all coupled in with Title IX - and football is required to be included in the numbers under that. When this all reaches a head, no school will be able to afford an Athletic Department and the NCAA, et al, will implode.
I see no logical continuance to this other than a wholesale, and fast, conversion to the overseas 'private sports club' model.
Mike
Quote from: GaryV on April 16, 2020, 06:23:20 PM
Way back when they first started broadcasting sports on the radio, they did it from the studio at home. Someone at the ballpark telegraphed the plays, and the announcer made up the action. Someone made crowd noises - there's probably some Foley artist that had responsibility for that.
Can't remember where I read it, but years ago I read a description of that process. In one instance, the batter swung and missed, but the sound effects guy accidentally played the crack of the bat hitting the ball. The announcer had to quickly back up and say "nope, a foul tip caught by the catcher for a strike."
Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
NASCAR's tentatively scheduled to restart at Martinsville in a few weeks, but who knows what the governor will decree concerning reopening Virginia.
Quote from: mgk920 on April 16, 2020, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 16, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
SI had an article about declining CFB attendance back in January, before Covid really started turning up on America's radar...
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa
ixnay
Also completely unrelated to the current episode, I've been increasingly BIG-TIME bearish on the future of college sports overall in recent years. Not only with the declining attendances, but a whole lot of other things like a push to allow 'professionalism' and unionization of the players in some programs, the fast growing financial soufflés in the registrars' offices (the student loan thing and too many kids being pushed into the universities who have no business being in them) and a whole lot of other 'off the field' stuff, all coupled in with Title IX - and football is required to be included in the numbers under that. When this all reaches a head, no school will be able to afford an Athletic Department and the NCAA, et al, will implode.
I see no logical continuance to this other than a wholesale, and fast, conversion to the overseas 'private sports club' model.
Mike
Sports have been pricing themselves out of the market of average consumers, but it's working for them. They were selling 80,000 seats at $80 each but found out they could sell 60,000 seats at $150 each and it deflates their attendance numbers but increases revenue, not to mention lowers costs as you need fewer stadium workers.
College football specifically has lost attendance for the additional reason that top teams have watered down their schedules as undefeated seasons have become the goal. People are tired of paying to see top ten teams beat the Citadel by 50 points.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 16, 2020, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: GaryV on April 16, 2020, 02:51:05 PM
The crowd noises on TV let you know that you have to start paying attention to watch the replay of what you just missed while you were multitasking.
I kind of wonder if networks pumped in fake crowd noise if it would have same effect. Regardless the announcer would still be a good indicator something happen. The best thing about listening to sports on the radio is that the announcer has to illustrate what is going on with far more clarity than on TV.
The New Jersey Nets tried this back in 1997, and few were impressed (https://apnews.com/ad7dd0436867c4fb88e09a5bcb064fcd).
Quote from: mgk920 on April 16, 2020, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 16, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
SI had an article about declining CFB attendance back in January, before Covid really started turning up on America's radar...
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa
ixnay
Also completely unrelated to the current episode, I've been increasingly BIG-TIME bearish on the future of college sports overall in recent years. Not only with the declining attendances, but a whole lot of other things like a push to allow 'professionalism' and unionization of the players in some programs, the fast growing financial soufflés in the registrars' offices (the student loan thing and too many kids being pushed into the universities who have no business being in them) and a whole lot of other 'off the field' stuff, all coupled in with Title IX - and football is required to be included in the numbers under that. When this all reaches a head, no school will be able to afford an Athletic Department and the NCAA, et al, will implode.
I see no logical continuance to this other than a wholesale, and fast, conversion to the overseas 'private sports club' model.
Mike
Re the bold part: does that refer to college athletics or sports in general? And what do you mean by the "'private sports club' model"?
ixnay
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
NASCAR losing attendance has far more to do with corporatization of the sport, inflated costs of attendance, some real lackluster racing, and a lack of compelling drivers. If I recall correctly even the private vendors were kicked out of most if not all tracks. The pre-race diecast car and parts hunt was one of the best things about attending a race weekend.
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on April 16, 2020, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 16, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Before all of this started, a lot of people in the sports business were already talking about how live gate was becoming problematical at a lot of second tier sports events. More and more people were taking in a whole day of say, college football in the comfort of home or around friends in a bar or lounge, in HD or 4K, rather than commit themselves to one game out in the elements for the whole day.
We may get in a few months a preview of what sports will look like in the late 20s.
SI had an article about declining CFB attendance back in January, before Covid really started turning up on America's radar...
https://www.si.com/college/2020/01/10/college-football-attendance-decline-ncaa
ixnay
Also completely unrelated to the current episode, I've been increasingly BIG-TIME bearish on the future of college sports overall in recent years. Not only with the declining attendances, but a whole lot of other things like a push to allow 'professionalism' and unionization of the players in some programs, the fast growing financial soufflés in the registrars' offices (the student loan thing and too many kids being pushed into the universities who have no business being in them) and a whole lot of other 'off the field' stuff, all coupled in with Title IX - and football is required to be included in the numbers under that. When this all reaches a head, no school will be able to afford an Athletic Department and the NCAA, et al, will implode.
I see no logical continuance to this other than a wholesale, and fast, conversion to the overseas 'private sports club' model.
Mike
Re the bold part: does that refer to college athletics or sports in general? And what do you mean by the "'private sports club' model"?
ixnay
Mostly, directly, the university system on down to the high schools and even lower. An effect would be that these clubs will be unencumbered by the current NCAA 'amateur' rules, thus also quickly affecting the existing professional leagues. They'd have no choice but to 'play ball' with them, maybe ultimately as the 'first divisions' of promotion and relegation federations, or be left in the dust.
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'Private sports clubs' are the rule pretty much everywhere in the World outside of North America - you go to school, university, etc, for academic things and, if you want to play competitive sports, you join a local private sports club. Outside of perhaps intramural activities, there are no interscholastic/intercollegiate sports. You play for the community, not the school or university, and through annual performance-based promotion and relegation, your club will always be playing at its optimal competitive level.
All of those big name overseas sports teams such as Bayern München, Manchester United, Arsenal, Real Madrid, etc, are local private sports clubs that did well. You can join, and thus support, any of them by paying annual dues.
Mike
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
NASCAR losing attendance has far more to do with corporatization of the sport, inflated costs of attendance, some real lackluster racing, and a lack of compelling drivers. If I recall correctly even the private vendors were kicked out of most if not all tracks. The pre-race diecast car and parts hunt was one of the best things about attending a race weekend.
Is NASCAR mostly popular among older folks?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
NASCAR losing attendance has far more to do with corporatization of the sport, inflated costs of attendance, some real lackluster racing, and a lack of compelling drivers. If I recall correctly even the private vendors were kicked out of most if not all tracks. The pre-race diecast car and parts hunt was one of the best things about attending a race weekend.
Is NASCAR mostly popular among older folks?
It has an older demographic than most sports. A lot of that can probably be attributed to car culture being less of a thing with younger generations.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
NASCAR losing attendance has far more to do with corporatization of the sport, inflated costs of attendance, some real lackluster racing, and a lack of compelling drivers. If I recall correctly even the private vendors were kicked out of most if not all tracks. The pre-race diecast car and parts hunt was one of the best things about attending a race weekend.
Is NASCAR mostly popular among older folks?
I wouldn't say so...although it depends what you mean by 'older'. I'd say it draws relatively evenly across many age groups 30 years of age and up...and their younger kids. The millennial generation just wants to sit around and talk to each other, which loud racing tracks don't lend to being very good at.
Going back to the popularity of the sport - it had a few years of very good growth. However, the racetracks apparently decided that this growth would last forever, and added large amounts of seating to their tracks. They should've enjoyed the popularity and sellouts while they were happening and invested elsewhere. As popularity dropped again, the racetracks were stuck with huge areas of empty stands, and 'empty' never looks good in person or on TV.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 17, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
NASCAR losing attendance has far more to do with corporatization of the sport, inflated costs of attendance, some real lackluster racing, and a lack of compelling drivers. If I recall correctly even the private vendors were kicked out of most if not all tracks. The pre-race diecast car and parts hunt was one of the best things about attending a race weekend.
Is NASCAR mostly popular among older folks?
I wouldn't say so...although it depends what you mean by 'older'. I'd say it draws relatively evenly across many age groups 30 years of age and up...and their younger kids. The millennial generation just wants to sit around and talk to each other, which loud racing tracks don't lend to being very good at.
Going back to the popularity of the sport - it had a few years of very good growth. However, the racetracks apparently decided that this growth would last forever, and added large amounts of seating to their tracks. They should've enjoyed the popularity and sellouts while they were happening and invested elsewhere. As popularity dropped again, the racetracks were stuck with huge areas of empty stands, and 'empty' never looks good in person or on TV.
Amazingly, I was right...about people willing to watch them race "virtually" on TV.
Quote from: formulanone on March 13, 2020, 12:15:04 PM
This opens up the avenue for live-streamed E-sports as the next big thing!
https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/03/24/dale-jr-denny-hamlin-nascar-iracing-tv-viewership-esports/
...and now everyone's going to be tuned in to see who's next to drop a verbal bomb!
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 17, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: ixnay on April 17, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
NASCAR's been losing in-person attendance to the point where some tracks are actually removing grandstands.
Dover Speedway in Delaware did that. You can still see the girders that held up the topmost rows.
ixnay
NASCAR losing attendance has far more to do with corporatization of the sport, inflated costs of attendance, some real lackluster racing, and a lack of compelling drivers. If I recall correctly even the private vendors were kicked out of most if not all tracks. The pre-race diecast car and parts hunt was one of the best things about attending a race weekend.
Is NASCAR mostly popular among older folks?
I wouldn't say so...although it depends what you mean by 'older'. I'd say it draws relatively evenly across many age groups 30 years of age and up...and their younger kids. The millennial generation just wants to sit around and talk to each other, which loud racing tracks don't lend to being very good at.
Going back to the popularity of the sport - it had a few years of very good growth. However, the racetracks apparently decided that this growth would last forever, and added large amounts of seating to their tracks. They should've enjoyed the popularity and sellouts while they were happening and invested elsewhere. As popularity dropped again, the racetracks were stuck with huge areas of empty stands, and 'empty' never looks good in person or on TV.
For clarity I'm talking 30 and up. I want to say there was a survey a couple years back that places the average fan in their mid 40s.
Regarding E-Racing I can't get into that even with the Kyle Larson debacle. To me that's not real like all E-sports don't feel real to me.
So if the PGA Tour returns but they disallow fans from attending, how will the ball know to get in the hole?
:bigass:
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
I thought he said something racist?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
I thought he said something racist?
Apparently he dropped the "N" word on a live broadcast.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
I thought he said something racist?
Apparently he dropped the "N" word on a live broadcast.
He did. I think HB's point is that had it not been for the virus leading to this fake racing, it wouldn't necessarily have happened, or if he said it on the radio there would be less chance of it being heard on TV.
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 18, 2020, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
I thought he said something racist?
Apparently he dropped the "N" word on a live broadcast.
He did. I think HB's point is that had it not been for the virus leading to this fake racing, it wouldn't necessarily have happened, or if he said it on the radio there would be less chance of it being heard on TV.
Most of those drivers can be heard on scanners on a normal race weekend by almost anyone at the track. I've never once heard any of them say something as stupid as that even with that looser standard of monitoring. You'd might be really surprised how many f-bombs are uttered in a typical race that can be picked up on scanner.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 18, 2020, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 18, 2020, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
I thought he said something racist?
Apparently he dropped the "N" word on a live broadcast.
He did. I think HB's point is that had it not been for the virus leading to this fake racing, it wouldn't necessarily have happened, or if he said it on the radio there would be less chance of it being heard on TV.
Most of those drivers can be heard on scanners on a normal race weekend by almost anyone at the track. I've never once heard any of them say something as stupid as that even with that looser standard of monitoring. You'd might be really surprised how many f-bombs are uttered in a typical race that can be picked up on scanner.
TV usually gets to censor on a delay; but a little less so a few decades ago.
Even after watching F1 for over thirty years, I had no idea how often the drivers/teams curse aloud (over minor stuff) until I saw the Drive To Survive series on Netflix. So I'd figure all the others do it to, in all sorts of sports/activities where adrenaline and tempers run high.
He thought his mic was off. So... that lets you be racist? True colors.
Quote from: formulanone on April 18, 2020, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 18, 2020, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 18, 2020, 11:15:34 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 17, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 17, 2020, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
I actually watched the iRacing event from Texas a couple of weeks ago. For what it was, it wasn't bad at all.
Could one say, in a roundabout way, that the virus destroyed Kyle Larson's career?
I thought he said something racist?
Apparently he dropped the “N” word on a live broadcast.
He did. I think HB's point is that had it not been for the virus leading to this fake racing, it wouldn’t necessarily have happened, or if he said it on the radio there would be less chance of it being heard on TV.
Most of those drivers can be heard on scanners on a normal race weekend by almost anyone at the track. I’ve never once heard any of them say something as stupid as that even with that looser standard of monitoring. You’d might be really surprised how many f-bombs are uttered in a typical race that can be picked up on scanner.
TV usually gets to censor on a delay; but a little less so a few decades ago.
Even after watching F1 for over thirty years, I had no idea how often the drivers/teams curse aloud (over minor stuff) until I saw the Drive To Survive series on Netflix. So I'd figure all the others do it to, in all sorts of sports/activities where adrenaline and tempers run high.
With more and better mics around home plate area in baseball, you hear it a lot on TV. They generally let the muffled ones go, but you can make them out. Especially if you read lips.
After the whole hubbub of needing ratings for every TV show, if anything the issue kinda relaxed itself. I'll love to see what the parents who demanded those TV ratings are up to nowadays.
Quote from: Alps on April 18, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
He thought his mic was off. So... that lets you be racist? True colors.
Oh dear that's an awful response. Should have just apologized.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 18, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 18, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
He thought his mic was off. So... that lets you be racist? True colors.
Oh dear that's an awful response. Should have just apologized.
He did apologize. And he and Bubba Wallace have talked about the incident. Bubba has accepted the apology.
As for scanner traffic, it's usually on a delay these days when TV picks it up. Back when it wasn't, ESPN picked up Todd Parrott (Dale Jarrett's crew chief) dropped an MF-bomb that ESPN (a cable channel, not OTR broadcast subject to FCC guidelines) carried live. NASCAR fined him.
The teams aren't allowed to have any communications that NASCAR cannot monitor. It's been several years ago, but Kurt Busch got penalized, and he said over his radio that NASCAR could lick his salty balls. That got him an extended penalty in the pits.
When Brad Keselowski was live-tweeting the infamous Juan Montoya jet-dryer delay, NASCAR banned drivers from carrying their phones with them in their cars.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 18, 2020, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 18, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 18, 2020, 12:47:29 PM
He thought his mic was off. So... that lets you be racist? True colors.
Oh dear that's an awful response. Should have just apologized.
He did apologize. And he and Bubba Wallace have talked about the incident. Bubba has accepted the apology.
As for scanner traffic, it's usually on a delay these days when TV picks it up. Back when it wasn't, ESPN picked up Todd Parrott (Dale Jarrett's crew chief) dropped an MF-bomb that ESPN (a cable channel, not OTR broadcast subject to FCC guidelines) carried live. NASCAR fined him.
The teams aren't allowed to have any communications that NASCAR cannot monitor. It's been several years ago, but Kurt Busch got penalized, and he said over his radio that NASCAR could lick his salty balls. That got him an extended penalty in the pits.
When Brad Keselowski was live-tweeting the infamous Juan Montoya jet-dryer delay, NASCAR banned drivers from carrying their phones with them in their cars.
NASCAR is a sponsor driven sport. No sponsor is going to touch Kyle Larson for quite a while, despite the apology.
In a team sport, you can get off with a brief suspension if you show genuine contrition.
NASCAR has postponed the Martinsville races.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/04/17/nascar-statement-2020-schedule-update/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/04/17/nascar-statement-2020-schedule-update/)
Quote from: LM117 on April 18, 2020, 08:29:43 PM
NASCAR has postponed the Martinsville races.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/04/17/nascar-statement-2020-schedule-update/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/04/17/nascar-statement-2020-schedule-update/)
How in the hell are they going to get all 36 races in? They would have to double header weeks like they did back in the 1950s and 1960s. I guess it could be done if the geography was planned out appropriately.
And then we have this (so called) 'pop culture' from the record industry . . . it's been a vile eye and ear opener since at least the early 1990s!
:-o
Can anybody say "hypocrisy"???
:rolleyes:
Mike
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 18, 2020, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: LM117 on April 18, 2020, 08:29:43 PM
NASCAR has postponed the Martinsville races.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/04/17/nascar-statement-2020-schedule-update/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/04/17/nascar-statement-2020-schedule-update/)
How in the hell are they going to get all 36 races in? They would have to double header weeks like they did back in the 1950s and 1960s. I guess it could be done if the geography was planned out appropriately.
Many of the postponed races are at tracks that have a 2nd race in the back half of the schedule, so they can just do Saturday/Sunday doubleheaders. For those that don't, you're probably looking at Wednesday night races.
NASCAR is in a different situation from most any other sport. NASCAR in the middle of an unprecedented in the history of all sports decline in popularity. In the great scheme of things, most sports are about where they were a decade ago, and it is reasonable to believe they will be about the same position a decade from now.
But not NASCAR. Years of mismanagement, idiotic gimmick rules, and a basic disdain for its core fan base have caused its TV ratings to plummet in a way no other sport ever has, not to mention its live gate problems outlined by the destruction of seats at almost every track.
Now, NASCAR is in the middle of a massive overbid set of TV contracts, signed by Fox and NBC when the sport was far more popular. Contracts that will not be repeated.
Thus, for every other sport, 2020 sucks. But all they are really out is the year. They all will make money in 21, and on into the future. But for NASCAR, 2020 is a year of overbid it will NEVER get back. When the TV deal finally runs out after the 24 season, it will start the 25 season, and from then on, getting maybe a tenth as much $$. Thus, NASCAR will do everything it can to runs all its races this year, be that doubleheaders, weeknight, racing until Christmas, whatever.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 19, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
NASCAR is in a different situation from most any other sport. NASCAR in the middle of an unprecedented in the history of all sports decline in popularity. In the great scheme of things, most sports are about where they were a decade ago, and it is reasonable to believe they will be about the same position a decade from now.
But not NASCAR. Years of mismanagement, idiotic gimmick rules, and a basic disdain for its core fan base have caused its TV ratings to plummet in a way no other sport ever has, not to mention its live gate problems outlined by the destruction of seats at almost every track.
Now, NASCAR is in the middle of a massive overbid set of TV contracts, signed by Fox and NBC when the sport was far more popular. Contracts that will not be repeated.
Thus, for every other sport, 2020 sucks. But all they are really out is the year. They all will make money in 21, and on into the future. But for NASCAR, 2020 is a year of overbid it will NEVER get back. When the TV deal finally runs out after the 24 season, it will start the 25 season, and from then on, getting maybe a tenth as much $$. Thus, NASCAR will do everything it can to runs all its races this year, be that doubleheaders, weeknight, racing until Christmas, whatever.
Well besides the XFL. Covid literally killed that.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 19, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
NASCAR is in a different situation from most any other sport. NASCAR in the middle of an unprecedented in the history of all sports decline in popularity. In the great scheme of things, most sports are about where they were a decade ago, and it is reasonable to believe they will be about the same position a decade from now.
But not NASCAR. Years of mismanagement, idiotic gimmick rules, and a basic disdain for its core fan base have caused its TV ratings to plummet in a way no other sport ever has, not to mention its live gate problems outlined by the destruction of seats at almost every track.
Now, NASCAR is in the middle of a massive overbid set of TV contracts, signed by Fox and NBC when the sport was far more popular. Contracts that will not be repeated.
Thus, for every other sport, 2020 sucks. But all they are really out is the year. They all will make money in 21, and on into the future. But for NASCAR, 2020 is a year of overbid it will NEVER get back. When the TV deal finally runs out after the 24 season, it will start the 25 season, and from then on, getting maybe a tenth as much $$. Thus, NASCAR will do everything it can to runs all its races this year, be that doubleheaders, weeknight, racing until Christmas, whatever.
That's why NASCAR really stands to gain more by getting going than the other sports. If they got no-weekly racing going they would have the sports market cornered for a bit. They had a pretty good thing going with e-Racing but Kyle Larson might have screwed the pooch on that. Then again people might be interested still to see someone else says something dumb.
Really once one sports league gets going the others probably won't be too far behind. Money does start to talk at some point and it appears to be getting to it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2020, 11:04:11 AM
Really once one sports league gets going the others probably won’t be too far behind. Money does start to talk at some point and it appears to be getting to it.
Yeah. Leaving out the mega-mistake that the Triple Crown owners made, the first sport back is probably going to be golf. The ultimate non-contact sport. Then motor sports, which is again a closed community. I don't see why the NBA and NHL would not just call it a year, other than greed, but they won't. I think football season starts on time and with fans. JMO
Quote from: SP Cook on April 19, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
Thus, for every other sport, 2020 sucks. But all they are really out is the year. They all will make money in 21, and on into the future. But for NASCAR, 2020 is a year of overbid it will NEVER get back. When the TV deal finally runs out after the 24 season, it will start the 25 season, and from then on, getting maybe a tenth as much $$. Thus, NASCAR will do everything it can to runs all its races this year, be that doubleheaders, weeknight, racing until Christmas, whatever.
Just an example of how much legal wrangling might occur over the cancellation and postponement of activities. The drivers are usually locked into their teams by contract, the sponsors pay for their appearances on the track (or promotional work), the teams make the money off sponsors and prize money, the tracks have no revenue stream, and the fans can't see anything because most folks won't watch last/any year's race*, because the TV ad time is fallow.
Everything will essentially come down to the weakest-worded contact becoming the scapegoat. Someone who forgot the "pandemic" or "national emergency" or "Act of God" clause.
* seems like a good time to play a random event from some race years ago. But NBC isn't going to show ESPN's old events with Ned Jarrett and Benny Parsons at the helm, with Doctor Jerry Punch in the pits, so forget it.
Will the MLB try baseball without fans? There's an article of the Wall Street Journal about this.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/baseball-without-fans-sounded-crazy-it-might-just-work-11587297600
Here an archived copy where you can read it without membership option.
http://archive.vn/0RKPK
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 18, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
NASCAR is a sponsor driven sport. No sponsor is going to touch Kyle Larson for quite a while, despite the apology.
Rumor is that Stewart-Haas in interested in him. Not sure who they'd get rid of to bring him aboard, probably not Bowyer and definitely not Harvick. Sponsorship wouldn't be an issue; they could put him in the self-sponsored Haas Automation car.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 19, 2020, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 18, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
NASCAR is a sponsor driven sport. No sponsor is going to touch Kyle Larson for quite a while, despite the apology.
Rumor is that Stewart-Haas in interested in him. Not sure who they'd get rid of to bring him aboard, probably not Bowyer and definitely not Harvick. Sponsorship wouldn't be an issue; they could put him in the self-sponsored Haas Automation car.
Already pulled it off once with Kurt Busch who IMO is just as seedy if not more so given his body of work for bizarre behavior.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 19, 2020, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 18, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
NASCAR is a sponsor driven sport. No sponsor is going to touch Kyle Larson for quite a while, despite the apology.
Rumor is that Stewart-Haas in interested in him. Not sure who they'd get rid of to bring him aboard, probably not Bowyer and definitely not Harvick. Sponsorship wouldn't be an issue; they could put him in the self-sponsored Haas Automation car.
Already pulled it off once with Kurt Busch who IMO is just as seedy if not more so given his body of work for bizarre behavior.
It is also rumored that Bowyer may retire and be in the FOX booth next year with Mike Joy and Jeff Gordon. His role on the iRacing broadcasts in the FOX studio as an in-race reporter show a high possibility of that occurring.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 19, 2020, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 19, 2020, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 18, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
NASCAR is a sponsor driven sport. No sponsor is going to touch Kyle Larson for quite a while, despite the apology.
Rumor is that Stewart-Haas in interested in him. Not sure who they'd get rid of to bring him aboard, probably not Bowyer and definitely not Harvick. Sponsorship wouldn't be an issue; they could put him in the self-sponsored Haas Automation car.
Already pulled it off once with Kurt Busch who IMO is just as seedy if not more so given his body of work for bizarre behavior.
It is also rumored that Bowyer may retire and be in the FOX booth next year with Mike Joy and Jeff Gordon. His role on the iRacing broadcasts in the FOX studio as an in-race reporter show a high possibility of that occurring.
I do find it kind of interesting that a lot of race car drivers are now retiring around 40. For the longest time drivers would race into their 50s or even into their 60s when they would become field fillers (looking at Bill Elliott and Terry Labonte)...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Already pulled it off once with Kurt Busch who IMO is just as seedy if not more so given his body of work for bizarre behavior.
His biggest issue was having that crackpot girlfriend a few years ago.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 19, 2020, 07:23:17 PM
It is also rumored that Bowyer may retire and be in the FOX booth next year with Mike Joy and Jeff Gordon. His role on the iRacing broadcasts in the FOX studio as an in-race reporter show a high possibility of that occurring.
I'm a little surprised that Bowyer and Gordon seem to be getting along so well. Didn't they have a physical altercation after a race a few years ago?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 19, 2020, 07:34:58 PM
I do find it kind of interesting that a lot of race car drivers are now retiring around 40. For the longest time drivers would race into their 50s or even into their 60s when they would become field fillers (looking at Bill Elliott and Terry Labonte)...
Well they kept driving because NASCAR still had a champion's provisional they could use to get the small-funded teams into the race. They did get rid of it by the current charter system (2016) though I think it was gone before then.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 20, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on April 19, 2020, 07:23:17 PM
It is also rumored that Bowyer may retire and be in the FOX booth next year with Mike Joy and Jeff Gordon. His role on the iRacing broadcasts in the FOX studio as an in-race reporter show a high possibility of that occurring.
I'm a little surprised that Bowyer and Gordon seem to be getting along so well. Didn't they have a physical altercation after a race a few years ago?
Yes, it was the fall Phoenix race in 2012 that practically ended any chance Bowyer had to win the championship that year. Gordon intentionally wrecked Bowyer at the end of the race (up there with the level of intentionality as Kenseth wrecking Logano in 2015 at Martinsville or Edwards wrecking Keselowski at Atlanta in 2010).
Regarding Kurt Busch he definitely had a ton of famous anger spats that set him up to get burned by that crazy girlfriend of his. I know he once had a fairly high profile DUI in Maricopa County once.
Regarding the drivers in their 40s and 50s, some of the like Dale Earnhardt Sr remained very competitive (he was 49 when he died) up until the end. Some like Bobby Allison even managed to be competitive until they ultimately retired. Something did happen in the last two decades though where the older top level drivers couldn't hang with their younger counterparts. That's when you started seeing things like field fillers using past champion provisionals becoming coming.
Not completely virus related, as MLB made the proposal back in November, but Baseball America is reporting that the minor leagues are going to agree to a reduction of 42 teams. The Rookie League level would be eliminated; and each team would have one AAA and AA team and one "high" A team and one "low" A team, for exactly 120 teams. Each MLB team's farm system would, as far as is practicable, be made into geographically logical schemes where the various levels are near one another and in towns where the MLB team is at least arguably the local team. The leagues would also be split up into smaller groupings, to cut down on travel.
BA also says that any minor league play this year is probably out. To a great degree the AAA level depends on regular commercial air travel, which is shut down pretty much; and the other levels depend on buses.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 21, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
Not completely virus related, as MLB made the proposal back in November, but Baseball America is reporting that the minor leagues are going to agree to a reduction of 42 teams. The Rookie League level would be eliminated; and each team would have one AAA and AA team and one "high" A team and one "low" A team, for exactly 120 teams. Each MLB team's farm system would, as far as is practicable, be made into geographically logical schemes where the various levels are near one another and in towns where the MLB team is at least arguably the local team. The leagues would also be split up into smaller groupings, to cut down on travel.
BA also says that any minor league play this year is probably out. To a great degree the AAA level depends on regular commercial air travel, which is shut down pretty much; and the other levels depend on buses.
If they're going to align AAA with MLB team as closely as possible, allowing a little bit of leeway to existing couplings (* indicates no change)
Lehigh Valley - Phillies*
Buffalo - Blue Jays*
Charlotte - Marlins
Columbus - Indians*
Durham - Nationals
Indianapolis - White Sox
Gwinnett - Braves*
Louisville - Reds*
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre - Pirates
Norfolk - Orioles*
Pawtucket - Red Sox*
Rochester - Yankees
Syracuse - Mets*
Toledo - Tigers*
Iowa - Cubs*
Memphis - Cardinals*
Nashville - Rays
Omaha - Twins
Oklahoma City - Royals
Round Rock - Astros*
San Antonio - Rangers
Wichita - Brewers
Fresno - Dodgers
Reno - A's
Sacramento - Giants*
Tacoma - Mariners*
Albuquerque - Diamondbacks
El Paso - Padres*
Las Vegas - Angels
Salt Lake City - Rockies
It doesn't make any sense that the Indianapolis AAA team is still called the Indians, given that they haven't been affiliated with Cleveland since 1956. But it is what it is, and I guess the name is legendary enough to continue to this day, because of their tremendous success through the years.
If I were to realign the AAA teams, here's how I'd do it:
Albuquerque--Diamondbacks
Buffalo--Blue Jays
Charlotte--Orioles
Columbus--Reds
Durham--Rays
El Paso--Padres
Fresno--Angels
Gwinnett--Braves
Indianapolis--Indians
Iowa--Cubs
Las Vegas--Dodgers
Lehigh Valley--Phillies
Louisville--White Sox
Memphis--Cardinals
Nashville--Brewers
Norfolk--Nationals
Oklahoma City--Rangers
Omaha--Twins
Pawtucket--Red Sox
Reno--Giants
Rochester--Pirates
Round Rock--Astros
Sacramento--Athletics
Salt Lake City--Rockies
San Antonio--Marlins
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre--Yankees
Syracuse--Mets
Tacoma--Mariners
Toledo--Tigers
Wichita--Royals
Quote from: Henry on April 23, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
It doesn't make any sense that the Indianapolis AAA team is still called the Indians, given that they haven't been affiliated with Cleveland since 1956. But it is what it is, and I guess the name is legendary enough to continue to this day, because of their tremendous success through the years.
The team has been the Indians since its founding in 1902, many years before they were affiliated with Cleveland and even that was only for a few years. They're called the Indians because Indiana is the "Land of Indians," as there is no connection with the Cleveland team.
Kentucky's governor has said that schools will not reopen this year. So, the state high school basketball tournaments have been canceled. The girls tournament was already underway when a halt was called to it. They actually stopped the tournament between games of a two-game afternoon session.
They bring back baseball in Taiwan and they use cutouts instead of fans.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/baseball-is-back-in-taiwanwith-cardboard-cutouts-instead-of-fans-11587909627
http://archive.vn/X2uzT
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
Sweet I'm off the day of the proposed Darlington race.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops. There goes a whole lot of the strategy as well as the performance of pit crews in determining the outcome of the race.
Also this temperature scan (not just in NASCAR but for businesses in general) is goofy. Don't they realize that other things besides the virus cause fevers?
ESPN has apparently agreed to pay for Korean baseball, after previously demanding to get the rights for free.
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200427008600315
7 PM in Seoul is 13 hours earlier, 6 AM in US ET.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops. There goes a whole lot of the strategy as well as the performance of pit crews in determining the outcome of the race.
Also this temperature scan (not just in NASCAR but for businesses in general) is goofy. Don't they realize that other things besides the virus cause fevers?
Like dehydration for one can induce fever like readings. That's actually a concern I have being a distance runner with my job since we've talked about temperature checks. Granted the amount of water the drivers consume before a race makes that little unlikely.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops.
What's a "live" pit stop? :confused:
ixnay
Quote from: ixnay on April 28, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops.
What's a "live" pit stop? :confused:
ixnay
Where the crew members jump over the wall and attempt to service the car as fast possible. It can gain track position or lose a crap ton of it if someone screws up or something fails.
Quote from: ixnay on April 28, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops.
What's a "live" pit stop? :confused:
ixnay
A live pit stop is basically any pit stop you've ever seen in a race in that the race continues, either under green or yellow, while the car is being serviced. What I'm assuming is going to happen is that every x laps, the field will get frozen, teams will have y minutes to service their cars and then restart in the same order.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 28, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 28, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops.
What's a "live" pit stop? :confused:
ixnay
A live pit stop is basically any pit stop you've ever seen in a race in that the race continues, either under green or yellow, while the car is being serviced. What I'm assuming is going to happen is that every x laps, the field will get frozen, teams will have y minutes to service their cars and then restart in the same order.
It would be kind of neat to see a two man pit crew format. One guy does the right side of the car while the left side guy does the tires and fuels up. Seems like that would permit plenty of "distance." Pit stops would be twice as long if not slightly longer than normal but still that aspect would remain.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops. There goes a whole lot of the strategy as well as the performance of pit crews in determining the outcome of the race.
Also this temperature scan (not just in NASCAR but for businesses in general) is goofy. Don't they realize that other things besides the virus cause fevers?
I agree with your first sentence. How many people in a pit crew need to be closer than 6' apart, and aren't there ways to minimize the associated risk?
As for the second sentence, I... agree even more. If you're asymptomatic you can still be shedding virus.
Quote from: Alps on April 28, 2020, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops. There goes a whole lot of the strategy as well as the performance of pit crews in determining the outcome of the race.
Also this temperature scan (not just in NASCAR but for businesses in general) is goofy. Don't they realize that other things besides the virus cause fevers?
I agree with your first sentence. How many people in a pit crew need to be closer than 6' apart, and aren't there ways to minimize the associated risk?
As for the second sentence, I... agree even more. If you're asymptomatic you can still be shedding virus.
More of the issue the way I see it (having actually worked on a race team) is the small size of the pit stalls. They are so small that there is no way you can six or more guys standing around in one of them waiting to service a car on the fly. The crew chief is the easiest position to remove remotely due to the radio head sets. I think it could work with 2-3 guys in a pit stall but that would the max. That small of a crew wouldn't yield fast stops but everyone would still be on the same playing field. If anything the on track stuff wouldn't be all that affected but it does kind of suck not to have the pit variable...still better than no racing at all IMO.
Another variable you usually see in pit stalls is people from the sponsors and lackeys who do things like run to get equipment.
Maybe use full-face helmets like the drivers use?
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 28, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 28, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops.
What's a "live" pit stop? :confused:
ixnay
A live pit stop is basically any pit stop you've ever seen in a race in that the race continues, either under green or yellow, while the car is being serviced. What I'm assuming is going to happen is that every x laps, the field will get frozen, teams will have y minutes to service their cars and then restart in the same order.
Either that or they do a pacecar lap every so often and whoever wants to make a pit stop can do so, without anyone changing position.
Sorry, I don't know much about NASCAR so I don't know if such a thing is even allowed.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 28, 2020, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 28, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: ixnay on April 28, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 28, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 28, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
NASCAR announces a proposed schedule.
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/nascar/a32302518/nascar-teams-given-may-june-schedule-with-midweek-races-across-the-south/
I don't understand how they will conduct races without live pit stops.
What's a "live" pit stop? :confused:
ixnay
A live pit stop is basically any pit stop you've ever seen in a race in that the race continues, either under green or yellow, while the car is being serviced. What I'm assuming is going to happen is that every x laps, the field will get frozen, teams will have y minutes to service their cars and then restart in the same order.
Either that or they do a pacecar lap every so often and whoever wants to make a pit stop can do so, without anyone changing position.
Sorry, I don't know much about NASCAR so I don't know if such a thing is even allowed.
Probably an intermission or "stage" in regular intervals. The Truck Series used to do that when they got going to keep costs on top tier pit crews down. For what it's worth the early era Truck series in mid 90s had some awesome races because the field was never allowed to spread out too much due to no long periods of green flag racing.
I heard baseball is going to do away with the AL/NL setup if and when this season get the green light, with a 100-game season and these three divisions:
EAST
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Miami Marlins
New York Mets
New York Yankees
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
Tampa Bay Rays
Toronto Blue Jays
Washington Nationals
CENTRAL
Atlanta Braves
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Houston Astros
Milwaukee Brewers
Minnesota Twins
St. Louis Cardinals
WEST
Arizona Diamondbacks
Colorado Rockies
Kansas City Royals
Los Angeles Angels
Los Angeles Dodgers
Oakland Athletics
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers
Of course, we'll have to see about that, but I'm hoping that they will play this summer, even if fans will not be allowed in for social distancing reasons.
With the Tigers in the Central, that should keep the Cubs out of last place.
Separated from all the opponents we care about, and probably also having the DH forced down our throats in the process? Sign me up. :ded:
This is the 4th plan baseball has trotted out. First was this "bio-dome" proposal in metro Phoenix; then they were going to divide between the "Grapefruit League" and the "Cactus League" and use both the Florida and Arizona spring training sties; then they added in using metro Dallas as a third site. Now this deal, which apparently is based on playing in the actual stadiums, and each group of 10 playing only within its group. The benefit of less travel is questionable, as once you get on an airplane, it really doesn't matter where your are going, particularly in a luxury charter and particularly at a time when there is no competing air traffic.
Quote from: Henry on April 29, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
I heard baseball is going to do away with the AL/NL setup if and when this season get the green light, with a 100-game season and these three divisions:
EAST
Baltimore Orioles
Boston Red Sox
Miami Marlins
New York Mets
New York Yankees
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
Tampa Bay Rays
Toronto Blue Jays
Washington Nationals
CENTRAL
Atlanta Braves
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
Houston Astros
Milwaukee Brewers
Minnesota Twins
St. Louis Cardinals
WEST
Arizona Diamondbacks
Colorado Rockies
Kansas City Royals
Los Angeles Angels
Los Angeles Dodgers
Oakland Athletics
San Diego Padres
San Francisco Giants
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers
Of course, we'll have to see about that, but I'm hoping that they will play this summer, even if fans will not be allowed in for social distancing reasons.
If travel is a concern, swap Pittsburgh with Atlanta, and Kansas City with Houston.
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
NASCAR is official starting May 17th. Apparently there won't be practice or qualifying but actual pit stops:
https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29118934/nascar-goes-green-seven-races-11-days
I guess that I know what days I'll be taking off from the office for the time being, glad something is coming back.
Quote from: Eth on April 29, 2020, 01:03:18 PM
Separated from all the opponents we care about, and probably also having the DH forced down our throats in the process? Sign me up. :ded:
Yeah this is so clearly a way to backdoor in a permanent universal DH, and fuck that.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Teams are already losing a bunch of TV money with the reduced schedule. Games within a team's own time zone get higher ratings than games in other time zones, so this is a way to get the highest ratings possible.
Baseball - Long time fans will remember that when divisions first were thought up, ET Cincinnati and Atlanta were forced into the western division, meaning they played at each California team 9 times, meaning generally 10:00 local starts; while the more powerful owners in CT Chicago and St. Louis got in the eastern division, meaning they played the California teams only 6 times.
As far back as the 1990s baseball has been trying to make a much more time zone specific scheduling system, as the bulk of the money teams make is out of their local TV deals. They even had a proposal to remake the two leagues by time zones. IIRC, the NL would have been the east, and the AL the west. Nutty.
Basketball - A forgotten corner of the enormous Walt Disney World complex is called the "Wide World Of Sports" and is basically a campus of venues for about any sport you can name. Disney gins up competitions, mostly at the HS level, to fill up the park during the slower times. It has 12 basketball courts, including 3 in arenas which are set up for TV coverage. And of course, with the place closed, Disney has thousands of hotel rooms and hundreds of food preparation outlets, so setting up a "bio-dome" would be fairly easy.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-disney-nbas-latest-destination-003305135.html
Hockey - Meanwhile, hockey is looking at playing well into late summer, and then not starting again until near Christmas. The NHL (which means us, the fans) has a much better deal with its union than the other sports, and the players resent it and are using the current situation a leverage, as a shortening of the off-season would require their sign off. So the solution is apparently to just not shorten the off-season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/coronavirus-bettman-says-2020-21-001624157.html
Horse racing - The largest mistake of this whole event, the greed based decision to postpone the Triple Crown races, is highlighted yet more as Kentucky admits that horse racing really can be held (as it has been all along) and looking at opening Churchill Downs as soon as mid-May. Greed.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Way old-school. I like it.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Multiple rounds makes the regular season more interesting if one team is super dominant.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Multiple rounds makes the regular season more interesting if one team is super dominant.
Yeah, but on the other hand, I think there's something to the idea that if you couldn't finish in first place after 162 games, why should you be given the opportunity to overturn that in five games or seven games (and yes, I recognize my team benefitted from the current setup last year and I wear a Nats World Series hat almost every day when I go out for a walk).
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Multiple rounds makes the regular season more interesting if one team is super dominant.
Yeah, but on the other hand, I think there's something to the idea that if you couldn't finish in first place after 162 games, why should you be given the opportunity to overturn that in five games or seven games (and yes, I recognize my team benefitted from the current setup last year and I wear a Nats World Series hat almost every day when I go out for a walk).
It's bout that money. Fans would not tune in to late season games when nothing mattered anymore.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Multiple rounds makes the regular season more interesting if one team is super dominant.
Yeah, but on the other hand, I think there's something to the idea that if you couldn't finish in first place after 162 games, why should you be given the opportunity to overturn that in five games or seven games (and yes, I recognize my team benefitted from the current setup last year and I wear a Nats World Series hat almost every day when I go out for a walk).
It's bout that money. Fans would not tune in to late season games when nothing mattered anymore.
So what if the fans don't tune in? The team(s) would still make money.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 01, 2020, 09:48:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 01, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 30, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
Keep both leagues, go back to the old east and west divisions, two top record-holders play in the CS, winners play the WS.
Literally the easiest way to do it
Or just use the traditional single tables. You play the season, whoever finishes in first place goes to the World Series. No need for multiple rounds of playoffs, though I'll concede the playoff system worked quite well in 2019.
Multiple rounds makes the regular season more interesting if one team is super dominant.
Yeah, but on the other hand, I think there's something to the idea that if you couldn't finish in first place after 162 games, why should you be given the opportunity to overturn that in five games or seven games (and yes, I recognize my team benefitted from the current setup last year and I wear a Nats World Series hat almost every day when I go out for a walk).
It's bout that money. Fans would not tune in to late season games when nothing mattered anymore.
So what if the fans don't tune in? The team(s) would still make money.
Advertisers won't pay as much for ads if fans aren't tuning in, tv contracts become less valuable, league loses money
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
The Bundesliga is resuming May 16.
Quote from: LM117 on May 09, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
Cutting Sonoma was a smart move. The Bay Area is super strict with virus anything and even the State has generally been unfriendly to any real attempts of reactivating sports. It's been pondered locally that the NFL teams might have to play out of state possibly.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 09, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
The Bundesliga is resuming May 16.
Without spectators.
They have listed a maximum of 322 people allowed. Which seems to be a weirdly specific number. Consensus on a soccer board is that the 22 are probably the 11 x 2 players on the field; each team has up to 150 more people allowed. And since it says max, it might be that those 150 are broken down into categories (e.g. subs, coaches, trainers, medical, ...) each with their own specific limits.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 09, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
Cutting Sonoma was a smart move. The Bay Area is super strict with virus anything and even the State has generally been unfriendly to any real attempts of reactivating sports. It's been pondered locally that the NFL teams might have to play out of state possibly.
If the NFL teams were required to play out of state, would the Rams, 49ers, and Chargers play 16 road games or would the NFL help them with setting up a "home" stadium outside of CA a la the 2005 Saints?
Quote from: GaryV on May 09, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 09, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
The Bundesliga is resuming May 16.
Without spectators.
They have listed a maximum of 322 people allowed. Which seems to be a weirdly specific number. Consensus on a soccer board is that the 22 are probably the 11 x 2 players on the field; each team has up to 150 more people allowed. And since it says max, it might be that those 150 are broken down into categories (e.g. subs, coaches, trainers, medical, ...) each with their own specific limits.
I would also assume the 322 involves some members of the media.
Dynamo Dresden in the 2. Bundesliga now has to go into a two week quarantine which puts the start of German soccer at risk.
Quote from: ftballfan on May 09, 2020, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 09, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
Cutting Sonoma was a smart move. The Bay Area is super strict with virus anything and even the State has generally been unfriendly to any real attempts of reactivating sports. It's been pondered locally that the NFL teams might have to play out of state possibly.
If the NFL teams were required to play out of state, would the Rams, 49ers, and Chargers play 16 road games or would the NFL help them with setting up a "home" stadium outside of CA a la the 2005 Saints?
I've been speculating that some of California's MLB teams might play their seasons in AAA ballparks. Oakland A's at their affiliate's park in Las Vegas and LA Angels at theirs in Salt Lake City. Those would be at least a little better than playing in the Arizona heat at their spring training ballparks.
Quote from: gonealookin on May 09, 2020, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on May 09, 2020, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 09, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
Cutting Sonoma was a smart move. The Bay Area is super strict with virus anything and even the State has generally been unfriendly to any real attempts of reactivating sports. It's been pondered locally that the NFL teams might have to play out of state possibly.
If the NFL teams were required to play out of state, would the Rams, 49ers, and Chargers play 16 road games or would the NFL help them with setting up a "home" stadium outside of CA a la the 2005 Saints?
I've been speculating that some of California's MLB teams might play their seasons in AAA ballparks. Oakland A's at their affiliate's park in Las Vegas and LA Angels at theirs in Salt Lake City. Those would be at least a little better than playing in the Arizona heat at their spring training ballparks.
It wouldn't surprise me if one of the California teams ends up in Glendale, AZ. The Chargers ended up playing out in Tempe once when they had really bad wildfires in San Diego. I'm sure college stadiums in places like Oregon, Nevada, and Utah could also be used if California still insists on not letting sports happen.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on May 09, 2020, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on May 09, 2020, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 09, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
Cutting Sonoma was a smart move. The Bay Area is super strict with virus anything and even the State has generally been unfriendly to any real attempts of reactivating sports. It's been pondered locally that the NFL teams might have to play out of state possibly.
If the NFL teams were required to play out of state, would the Rams, 49ers, and Chargers play 16 road games or would the NFL help them with setting up a "home" stadium outside of CA a la the 2005 Saints?
I've been speculating that some of California's MLB teams might play their seasons in AAA ballparks. Oakland A's at their affiliate's park in Las Vegas and LA Angels at theirs in Salt Lake City. Those would be at least a little better than playing in the Arizona heat at their spring training ballparks.
It wouldn't surprise me if one of the California teams ends up in Glendale, AZ. The Chargers ended up playing out in Tempe once when they had really bad wildfires in San Diego. I'm sure college stadiums in places like Oregon, Nevada, and Utah could also be used if California still insists on not letting sports happen.
Once California figures out how much tax revenue they're going to lose they will suddenly find a way to let teams play there.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 09, 2020, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on May 09, 2020, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on May 09, 2020, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 09, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: LM117 on May 09, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
NASCAR realigned it's 2020 schedule.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/05/08/nascar-2020-schedule-realignment-chicagoland-richmond-sonoma/)
Cutting Sonoma was a smart move. The Bay Area is super strict with virus anything and even the State has generally been unfriendly to any real attempts of reactivating sports. It's been pondered locally that the NFL teams might have to play out of state possibly.
If the NFL teams were required to play out of state, would the Rams, 49ers, and Chargers play 16 road games or would the NFL help them with setting up a "home" stadium outside of CA a la the 2005 Saints?
I've been speculating that some of California's MLB teams might play their seasons in AAA ballparks. Oakland A's at their affiliate's park in Las Vegas and LA Angels at theirs in Salt Lake City. Those would be at least a little better than playing in the Arizona heat at their spring training ballparks.
It wouldn't surprise me if one of the California teams ends up in Glendale, AZ. The Chargers ended up playing out in Tempe once when they had really bad wildfires in San Diego. I'm sure college stadiums in places like Oregon, Nevada, and Utah could also be used if California still insists on not letting sports happen.
Once California figures out how much tax revenue they're going to lose they will suddenly find a way to let teams play there.
They don't seem to be all that interested in tax revenue period, especially with the looming massive budget deficit. It took three counties and several cities rebelling State Orders just to get the State started on Phase 2 which opened things like furniture stores. It likely will be a serious fight to get sports going, especially around San Francisco Bay. The Bay Area is even more restrictive than the State is currently dictating.
Quote from: GaryV on May 09, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 09, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
The Bundesliga is resuming May 16.
Without spectators.
They have listed a maximum of 322 people allowed. Which seems to be a weirdly specific number. Consensus on a soccer board is that the 22 are probably the 11 x 2 players on the field; each team has up to 150 more people allowed. And since it says max, it might be that those 150 are broken down into categories (e.g. subs, coaches, trainers, medical, ...) each with their own specific limits.
Also game officials, including the referee, two linesmen and anyone else in that capacity, ball boys/girls, grounds crew along with the media. Likely closer to 25-40 non-players for each team, including subs who'll be suiting up.
Mike
I'm watching the NASCAR pre-race at Darlington. So far all this has been a pretty bizarre watch with all the split screen commentators and super long microphones for driver interviews. I'm kind of finding the race name "Real Heroes 400" kind of hokey...granted I get it that it's supposed to be well intended. There seems to be some sort of obsession with the broadcast on emphasizing "being safe at home" constantly. Hopefully some of this broadcast stuff stops as the race gets going. I'm debating on switching to MRN to see if they are doing a more straight lace broadcast of the race. I'm thinking that this kind of stuff is going to be common in the early broadcasts as other sports start get going again.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
I'm watching the NASCAR pre-race at Darlington. So far all this has been a pretty bizarre watch with all the split screen commentators and super long microphones for driver interviews. I'm kind of finding the race name "Real Heroes 400" kind of hokey...granted I get it that it's supposed to be well intended. There seems to be some sort of obsession with the broadcast on emphasizing "being safe at home" constantly. Hopefully some of this broadcast stuff stops as the race gets going. I'm debating on switching to MRN to see if they are doing a more straight lace broadcast of the race. I'm thinking that this kind of stuff is going to be common in the early broadcasts as other sports start get going again.
It's almost as if we should just stop with sports until normal can be achieved, because the media can't help but make it all weird when it doesn't need to be. I really don't even find myself missing sports right now, and people like Blake Snell of the TB Rays whining about losing pay has made me more apathetic. I understand plenty ARE missing sports so I am all for a gung-ho restart to most of it, but I may not personally be back for it.
Quote from: SectorZ on May 17, 2020, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 17, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
I'm watching the NASCAR pre-race at Darlington. So far all this has been a pretty bizarre watch with all the split screen commentators and super long microphones for driver interviews. I'm kind of finding the race name "Real Heroes 400" kind of hokey...granted I get it that it's supposed to be well intended. There seems to be some sort of obsession with the broadcast on emphasizing "being safe at home" constantly. Hopefully some of this broadcast stuff stops as the race gets going. I'm debating on switching to MRN to see if they are doing a more straight lace broadcast of the race. I'm thinking that this kind of stuff is going to be common in the early broadcasts as other sports start get going again.
It's almost as if we should just stop with sports until normal can be achieved, because the media can't help but make it all weird when it doesn't need to be. I really don't even find myself missing sports right now, and people like Blake Snell of the TB Rays whining about losing pay has made me more apathetic. I understand plenty ARE missing sports so I am all for a gung-ho restart to most of it, but I may not personally be back for it.
I don't agree (at least not fully), I think some sports (racing included) are ready to get going again. Sitting around waiting for everything to be fine in potentially two years isn't a likely prospect for many sports leagues and most racing series would be among them. Personally my preference would be just to go over the safety stuff in the pits and with the drivers then just leave it as is. So far the actual race broadcast has been pretty much normal. From what I understand about UFC 249 things normalized pretty quickly in the broadcast as the actual event got going. The lack of fans in the stands really isn't all that notable. But then again the cars in motor racing almost completely drown out spectators until the end of the race anyways.
Either way, I find it nice to have an actual diversion to look forward to for a change in the sports world. There are only so many rehashed sports events and daily factoids about what happened on "insert day" that I can stomach. I can't occupy every single day with work or going out for a run, ride, or hike so I'll take what I can get. Now if baseball can get something going that would be nice for some zone-out time at night.
Jimmie Johnson wrecked out while leading, so I'm not complaining too much.
I didn't watch any of the pre-race stuff. When I turned it on, they were interviewing Bowyer, and then they had a remote invocation and "Hootie" (Darius Rucker) offered a terrible version of the national anthem. If there was a "most famous words in motorsports," I missed it.
NASCAR attendance had dropped quite a bit, to the point where it was no strange sight to see totally empty sections of grandstands, so the completely empty track isn't all that unfamiliar.
For what it was worth the race broadcast felt normal and so did the race. The lack of fans really wasn't all that noticeable until Kevin Harvick pointed it out during his post race burn out. About the only thing I really missed at all was a Friday afternoon qualifying session. I always enjoyed watching those on days off. I don't really see why the teams couldn't just show up at the track and do a quick qualifying session in the early morning...well aside from driver pre-race hydration. Any form of qualifying would be better IMO over a random field draw, but that would be my only gripe about how the actually racing event went.
Bundesliga is back, and the Premier League is looking at returning in June with Project Restart. MLS teams are also being allowed to start training and could be playing in a mini-tournament in Orlando sometime in June or July.
Bundesliga substitutes have to sit in the stands:
https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews/status/1261695133055176710
Some stadiums have cardboard cutotus of fans (who paid to "appear", with proceeds going to charity)
https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1261555734019334146
FC Seoul went with the sex dolls in the stands route.
https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1262337686649614336?s=20
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
Jimmie Johnson wrecked out while leading, so I'm not complaining too much.
I didn't watch any of the pre-race stuff. When I turned it on, they were interviewing Bowyer, and then they had a remote invocation and "Hootie" (Darius Rucker) offered a terrible version of the national anthem. If there was a "most famous words in motorsports," I missed it.
NASCAR attendance had dropped quite a bit, to the point where it was no strange sight to see totally empty sections of grandstands, so the completely empty track isn't all that unfamiliar.
If "the most famous words" were spoken, it was during a commercial break. I had it on and wasn't paying all that much attention to the race, but I did notice the cars weren't running when they went to commercial and then were starting to roll when they returned.
I thought I heard Rucker flub a lyric. It sounded like he sang "gave proof through the light that our flag was still there." That'd be an odd mistake to make, so I may well have misheard him.
I wonder how many hardcore NASCAR fans will object to Wednesday's race being 400 km instead of some number of miles.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 18, 2020, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
Jimmie Johnson wrecked out while leading, so I'm not complaining too much.
I didn't watch any of the pre-race stuff. When I turned it on, they were interviewing Bowyer, and then they had a remote invocation and "Hootie" (Darius Rucker) offered a terrible version of the national anthem. If there was a "most famous words in motorsports," I missed it.
NASCAR attendance had dropped quite a bit, to the point where it was no strange sight to see totally empty sections of grandstands, so the completely empty track isn't all that unfamiliar.
If "the most famous words" were spoken, it was during a commercial break. I had it on and wasn't paying all that much attention to the race, but I did notice the cars weren't running when they went to commercial and then were starting to roll when they returned.
I thought I heard Rucker flub a lyric. It sounded like he sang "gave proof through the light that our flag was still there." That'd be an odd mistake to make, so I may well have misheard him.
I wonder how many hardcore NASCAR fans will object to Wednesday's race being 400 km instead of some number of miles.
A lot of races have used km before.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 18, 2020, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 18, 2020, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
Jimmie Johnson wrecked out while leading, so I'm not complaining too much.
I didn't watch any of the pre-race stuff. When I turned it on, they were interviewing Bowyer, and then they had a remote invocation and "Hootie" (Darius Rucker) offered a terrible version of the national anthem. If there was a "most famous words in motorsports," I missed it.
NASCAR attendance had dropped quite a bit, to the point where it was no strange sight to see totally empty sections of grandstands, so the completely empty track isn't all that unfamiliar.
If "the most famous words" were spoken, it was during a commercial break. I had it on and wasn't paying all that much attention to the race, but I did notice the cars weren't running when they went to commercial and then were starting to roll when they returned.
I thought I heard Rucker flub a lyric. It sounded like he sang "gave proof through the light that our flag was still there." That'd be an odd mistake to make, so I may well have misheard him.
I wonder how many hardcore NASCAR fans will object to Wednesday's race being 400 km instead of some number of miles.
A lot of races have used km before.
Mostly road course races. Personally I don't care if the race distances are shorter, they are still races.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 18, 2020, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 18, 2020, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
Jimmie Johnson wrecked out while leading, so I'm not complaining too much.
I didn't watch any of the pre-race stuff. When I turned it on, they were interviewing Bowyer, and then they had a remote invocation and "Hootie" (Darius Rucker) offered a terrible version of the national anthem. If there was a "most famous words in motorsports," I missed it.
NASCAR attendance had dropped quite a bit, to the point where it was no strange sight to see totally empty sections of grandstands, so the completely empty track isn't all that unfamiliar.
If "the most famous words" were spoken, it was during a commercial break. I had it on and wasn't paying all that much attention to the race, but I did notice the cars weren't running when they went to commercial and then were starting to roll when they returned.
I thought I heard Rucker flub a lyric. It sounded like he sang "gave proof through the light that our flag was still there." That'd be an odd mistake to make, so I may well have misheard him.
I wonder how many hardcore NASCAR fans will object to Wednesday's race being 400 km instead of some number of miles.
A lot of races have used km before.
Many oval NASCAR races have been km for many years now. It's nothing new.
The strange race distance length 'winner' is F1, their official race length is the first lap that is completed after 305 km (about 190 miles) (260 km at Monaco). Also, absent a suspension of any race, it can be shorter - Formula 1 has a two hour time limit on races and if one goes over two hours from start, the leader at the end of the lap where the two hour limit is exceeded is shown the chequered flag.
Mike
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
FC Seoul went with the sex dolls in the stands route.
https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1262337686649614336?s=20
Accidentally? How do you accidentally put a bunch of objects of any kind in seats?
I wonder if yesterday's NASCAR race may not have been v2.0 of the infamous 1979 Daytona 500 blizzard "there's a fight in the infield" race?
Judging from some of the random comments I saw under the trending #NASCARisBack hashtag on Twitter, a number of people tuned in to a race for the first time and are now fans.
They're going to enjoy seeing classic clips such as the Craven-Kurt Busch Darlington finish and "I just meant to rattle his cage" and other things that have happened in the sport's recent history, just as I did the clips from the aforementioned Daytona race and "the pass in the grass" and other things that happened before I became a fan.
I watched the race for half an hour and decided I'm just not quite that desperate for live sports events.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2020, 01:52:59 PM
I wonder if yesterday's NASCAR race may not have been v2.0 of the infamous 1979 Daytona 500 blizzard "there's a fight in the infield" race?
Judging from some of the random comments I saw under the trending #NASCARisBack hashtag on Twitter, a number of people tuned in to a race for the first time and are now fans.
They're going to enjoy seeing classic clips such as the Craven-Kurt Busch Darlington finish and "I just meant to rattle his cage" and other things that have happened in the sport's recent history, just as I did the clips from the aforementioned Daytona race and "the pass in the grass" and other things that happened before I became a fan.
It definitely can't hurt to get out there with live events while the more mainstream sports are wallowing around figuring out what to do. There is only so many E60 and 30 for 30 episodes that people will take.
Quote from: GaryV on May 18, 2020, 01:14:43 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
FC Seoul went with the sex dolls in the stands route.
https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1262337686649614336
Accidentally? How do you accidentally put a bunch of objects of any kind in seats?
I'm going to guess that, whoever installed the dolls, was a bit confused why they were so realistic :-D They were trying to do the right thing by putting some fans in the stadium, of course.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 18, 2020, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 18, 2020, 01:14:43 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 18, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
FC Seoul went with the sex dolls in the stands route.
https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1262337686649614336
Accidentally? How do you accidentally put a bunch of objects of any kind in seats?
I'm going to guess that, whoever installed the dolls, was a bit confused why they were so realistic :-D They were trying to do the right thing by putting some fans in the stadium, of course.
They got an Uncanny Valley thing going for sex dolls. Then again they do have masks covering the mouthes which doesn't help. Someone would have to had sat there and put those masks on...kind of curious what the thought process was there with the puckered doll lips.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 18, 2020, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2020, 06:09:41 PM
Jimmie Johnson wrecked out while leading, so I'm not complaining too much.
I didn't watch any of the pre-race stuff. When I turned it on, they were interviewing Bowyer, and then they had a remote invocation and "Hootie" (Darius Rucker) offered a terrible version of the national anthem. If there was a "most famous words in motorsports," I missed it.
NASCAR attendance had dropped quite a bit, to the point where it was no strange sight to see totally empty sections of grandstands, so the completely empty track isn't all that unfamiliar.
If "the most famous words" were spoken, it was during a commercial break. I had it on and wasn't paying all that much attention to the race, but I did notice the cars weren't running when they went to commercial and then were starting to roll when they returned.
I thought I heard Rucker flub a lyric. It sounded like he sang "gave proof through the light that our flag was still there." That'd be an odd mistake to make, so I may well have misheard him.
I wonder how many hardcore NASCAR fans will object to Wednesday's race being 400 km instead of some number of miles.
They definitely did "Drivers Start Your Engines...", done by all the medical staff folks they were honoring.
The Phoenix races have been km for quite a few years now. During the gas crisis in the early 70s they shortened a bunch of their races by 10% resulting in a lot of odd distances being run.
The shortest tracks run round numbers of laps that don't work out in rounded miles - Martinsville runs 500 laps which is 263 miles.
Yesterday was the first race I've watched this year. Decent race. Kinda not been watching recently as all the familiar names to me are retiring, the rules have been constantly changing and there's only so many Stenhouse wrecks one can watch.
The Darlington Race was apparently the most viewed NASCAR event since the 2017 Daytona 500.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nascars-first-race-since-coronavirus-231148395.html
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FC Seoul went with the sex dolls in the stands route.
https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1262337686649614336
Accidentally? How do you accidentally put a bunch of objects of any kind in seats?
I'm going to guess that, whoever installed the dolls, was a bit confused why they were so realistic :-D They were trying to do the right thing by putting some fans in the stadium, of course.
They got an Uncanny Valley thing going for sex dolls. Then again they do have masks covering the mouthes which doesn't help. Someone would have to had sat there and put those masks on...kind of curious what the thought process was there with the puckered doll lips.
At least one mask wasn't put on quite right (upper right corner).
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FC Seoul went with the sex dolls in the stands route.
https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1262337686649614336
Accidentally? How do you accidentally put a bunch of objects of any kind in seats?
I'm going to guess that, whoever installed the dolls, was a bit confused why they were so realistic :-D They were trying to do the right thing by putting some fans in the stadium, of course.
They got an Uncanny Valley thing going for sex dolls. Then again they do have masks covering the mouthes which doesn't help. Someone would have to had sat there and put those masks on...kind of curious what the thought process was there with the puckered doll lips.
At least one mask wasn't put on quite right (upper right corner).
Might expel something far worse than respiratory droplets. :rolleyes:
MLS has now cancelled three of its summer events, all of which would have involved Liga MX (the Mexican league): https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/05/19/mls-all-star-game-leagues-cup-and-campeones-cup-canceled-2020
The All-Star Game in LA was supposed to have the MLS all-star team face off against an all-star squad from Liga MX for the first time ever.
The Leagues Cup was going to be expanded to 16 teams (8 from each league) and broadcast nationally. It's been designed as a way of bypassing CONCACAF's awful handling of the Champions League.
The Campeones Cup would have been hosted by MLS Cup champions Seattle against the winner of Mexico's supercup.
It's almost as if COVID-19 was made to prevent the two leagues from getting too close. There have been talks of a mega-league sometime in the far future, which a lot of fans don't want to see happen.
I think the MLS / Liga MX "megaleague" would actually be two leagues and introduce promotion and relegation. Liga MX has frozen promotion and relegation because so many of the second division sides have money issues (and so do some of the first division). Merging with MLS gives everyone access to American television money which would assuredly increase with the addition of Mexican teams.
Wrecky Stenhouse Jr.
NHL is coming back soon!
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1265380106870063107
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on May 26, 2020, 05:32:29 PM
NHL is coming back soon!
https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1265380106870063107
Apparently, I can no longer see embedded tweets in posts. This happened in a post in the Virginia thread (about the US 17/360 sign at Tappahannock) and it happened here.
Real Formula E driver errs by substituting a "E-ringer" in online Racing event...Both get banned.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/26/daniel-abt-fired-from-audis-formula-e-team-for-using-pro-sim-driver-in-virtual-race/
For those unsure,
Formula E is actual electric-car-racing, not the same as online racing / eSports or whatever they want to call it.
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Audi fired Daniel Abt from its Formula E racing team after learning he had a professional sim driver race for him during a virtual competition called the “Race at Home Challenge” held over the weekend. The automaker said in a statement via Formula E that Abt had been suspended from Audi Sport “with immediate effect.” However, it appears the consequences are more serious and final. Abt said in a video message published Tuesday on YouTube that Audi had dropped him from the team.
Abt tapped 18-year-old pro sim driver Lorenz Hoerzing to take his spot in the fifth round of Formula E’s online sim racing series. Unlike the real Formula E race series, this was meant to entertain fans and raise funds for UNICEF. Hoerzing came in third in the race. Questions were raised almost immediately following the virtual event when Abt didn’t appear on the post-race interview.
Apparently, you're not supposed to sublet your work as a professionally-paid driver.
I'm hoping that the relative success of the mid-week races leads NASCAR to a serious overhaul of the schedule in the future. Races after Labor Day weekend have terrible TV ratings due to being up against the NFL. Golf has moved their "playoffs" to August to avoid going up against the NFL and I think NASCAR should follow suit. Start the season the same week and the AFC/NFC Championship games with a Saturday race, then race every week except Easter through Labor Day weekend. Hold mid-week races and/or Saturday/Sunday doubleheaders to get their 36 races in.
Well of course it has not begun to take its toll yet. If we think we have seen a lot already it is going to get worse. Of course old news but during an election year old news is always going to be played out to the fullest.
I hope to see myself it all come back to us our past time of sports, but the way things are these days are not looking too good for that to happen. Football might but the rest will be in 2021 unfortunately.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2020, 04:24:53 PM
I'm hoping that the relative success of the mid-week races leads NASCAR to a serious overhaul of the schedule in the future. Races after Labor Day weekend have terrible TV ratings due to being up against the NFL. Golf has moved their "playoffs" to August to avoid going up against the NFL and I think NASCAR should follow suit. Start the season the same week and the AFC/NFC Championship games with a Saturday race, then race every week except Easter through Labor Day weekend. Hold mid-week races and/or Saturday/Sunday doubleheaders to get their 36 races in.
Even in this unique time, the mid-week race got far lower ratings than a regular event, and certainly would, in normal times, not only do far poorer, but have to depend on locals, which ordinary races draw regionally or ever nationally in a few cases.
What NASCAR should do is clear. Abolish the idiotic playoffs, and return to the proper system of every event being worth an equal amount of points towards a season championship which was ONE measure of who had a great year, but not the be all and end all of it. And run almost every weekend from Feb-Nov, accepting that ratings in the fall will be lower than other seasons, but still profitable.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on May 27, 2020, 04:24:53 PM
I'm hoping that the relative success of the mid-week races leads NASCAR to a serious overhaul of the schedule in the future. Races after Labor Day weekend have terrible TV ratings due to being up against the NFL. Golf has moved their "playoffs" to August to avoid going up against the NFL and I think NASCAR should follow suit. Start the season the same week and the AFC/NFC Championship games with a Saturday race, then race every week except Easter through Labor Day weekend. Hold mid-week races and/or Saturday/Sunday doubleheaders to get their 36 races in.
Even in this unique time, the mid-week race got far lower ratings than a regular event, and certainly would, in normal times, not only do far poorer, but have to depend on locals, which ordinary races draw regionally or ever nationally in a few cases.
What NASCAR should do is clear. Abolish the idiotic playoffs, and return to the proper system of every event being worth an equal amount of points towards a season championship which was ONE measure of who had a great year, but not the be all and end all of it. And run almost every weekend from Feb-Nov, accepting that ratings in the fall will be lower than other seasons, but still profitable.
If mid-week races don't work, than have Saturday-Sunday doubleheaders. Six of them allow you to start the season the first weekend in February and end it Labor Day weekend. Silly to have your season end while up against the NFL.
As for the playoffs, I wouldn't mind them if they weren't a single winner-take-all race at the end. They race on short ovals, intermediate ovals, long ovals and road courses, only to have the championship decided on a single track. Make the championship round a 3 race series on 3 different types of tracks.
NASCAR had its races "against" the NFL during the complete time it was five times more popular (in TV terms, probably many more times than that overall) than today. It simply mostly ran its fall events in the parts of the country where it was most popular, and accepted the ratings would be lower than other times, but still popular. It also had a fair and honest season championship system, with said championship being one measure of the season, with the key each week being winning the race for the race's sake, with no discussion of the season points until the end.
Then some genius came up with the idiotic playoffs.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 28, 2020, 11:29:05 AM
NASCAR had its races "against" the NFL during the complete time it was five times more popular (in TV terms, probably many more times than that overall) than today. It simply mostly ran its fall events in the parts of the country where it was most popular, and accepted the ratings would be lower than other times, but still popular. It also had a fair and honest season championship system, with said championship being one measure of the season, with the key each week being winning the race for the race's sake, with no discussion of the season points until the end.
Then some genius came up with the idiotic playoffs.
When was NASCAR "five times more popular" than the NFL? Maybe back in the 60s and 70s down in the south, but that's about it. Even at its peak in the late 90s, the NFL drew more viewers.
But I agree with you that the playoffs have been largely disasterous. If NASCAR is trying to develop a national audience, they aren't going to take viewers away from the NFL no matter what they do. And they may have ended up losing a generation of "core" fans in the process.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 28, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 28, 2020, 11:29:05 AM
NASCAR had its races "against" the NFL during the complete time it was five times more popular (in TV terms, probably many more times than that overall) than today. It simply mostly ran its fall events in the parts of the country where it was most popular, and accepted the ratings would be lower than other times, but still popular. It also had a fair and honest season championship system, with said championship being one measure of the season, with the key each week being winning the race for the race's sake, with no discussion of the season points until the end.
Then some genius came up with the idiotic playoffs.
When was NASCAR "five times more popular" than the NFL? Maybe back in the 60s and 70s down in the south, but that's about it. Even at its peak in the late 90s, the NFL drew more viewers.
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That's not what SP Cook said. He said NASCAR was "five times more popular ... than today." He's comparing NASCAR's past self to its present self.
I remember attending a Carolina Panthers game in Charlotte in 1996 and seeing the Winston Cup running order on the out-of-town scoreboard. Don't know whether they still do that.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on May 28, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 28, 2020, 11:29:05 AM
NASCAR had its races "against" the NFL during the complete time it was five times more popular (in TV terms, probably many more times than that overall) than today. It simply mostly ran its fall events in the parts of the country where it was most popular, and accepted the ratings would be lower than other times, but still popular. It also had a fair and honest season championship system, with said championship being one measure of the season, with the key each week being winning the race for the race's sake, with no discussion of the season points until the end.
Then some genius came up with the idiotic playoffs.
When was NASCAR "five times more popular" than the NFL? Maybe back in the 60s and 70s down in the south, but that's about it. Even at its peak in the late 90s, the NFL drew more viewers.
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That's not what SP Cook said. He said NASCAR was "five times more popular ... than today." He's comparing NASCAR's past self to its present self.
I remember attending a Carolina Panthers game in Charlotte in 1996 and seeing the Winston Cup running order on the out-of-town scoreboard. Don't know whether they still do that.
Oh thanks. Obviously now that I am reading that, it makes sense. My bad.
I think the reasons for the loss in popularity are due to generic drivers, generic cars and generic tracks. The attempt to appeal to a broader audience has made things boring. But I'm not saying anything that people don't already know.
Don't compete against the NFL. Run Saturday night races. I know the prevailing thoughts about not running a lot of Saturday night races is not to compete against the local bullrings, but the night races at Bristol and Richmond have traditionally been among the sport's most popular events.
The Boston Marathon was just cancelled. They had previously postponed it until September.
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
Yep. They are using this to backdoor its way in. And its great!
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
No real baseball fan thinks it's better. What'll happen is that the MLBPA will make it impossible to get rid of it because it would mean fewer jobs for aging players who can't play in the field. (And I say this recognizing that it may well extend Ryan Zimmerman's career.)
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Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
No real baseball fan thinks it's better.
I think its better and I root for a National League team. I also like the three point line in basketball and players playing both ways in football.
Nothing more annoying than people who decide who is, or is not, a real fan.
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Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
Yep. They are using this to backdoor its way in. And its great!
I disagree. I don't mind having just the AL with the DH, as a refuge for pitchers who can't hit and hitters who can't field. But leave the NL alone, with its premium on managerial strategy. Even two years with the DH in the NL will be unfair to the NL teams, who are locked into personnel and management decisions optimized for no DH (except some World Series and other interleague games).
Quote from: oscar on June 18, 2020, 05:14:33 PM
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Quote from: cabiness42 on June 18, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
Yep. They are using this to backdoor its way in. And its great!
I disagree. I don't mind having just the AL with the DH, as a refuge for pitchers who can't hit and hitters who can't field. But leave the NL alone, with its premium on managerial strategy. Even two years with the DH in the NL will be unfair to the NL teams, who are locked into personnel and management decisions optimized for no DH (except some World Series and other interleague games).
I like the difference between the two leagues. I felt like Torre gave the Yankees an advantage with a more NL managerial style in the AL and some substitution quirks other managers wouldn't have been open to. Weird things make the game fun.
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 19, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Somewhere Jeff Bezos is like "ËœWell, this is still better than no horseshit at all' ;)
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Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
And, it just ruined the National League. They're going to use the DH for whatever season they play this year and also for next year.
The plan is for 2 years, until everybody realizes that it's better and they adopt it permanently.
Yep. They are using this to backdoor its way in. And its great!
I disagree. I don't mind having just the AL with the DH, as a refuge for pitchers who can't hit and hitters who can't field. But leave the NL alone, with its premium on managerial strategy. Even two years with the DH in the NL will be unfair to the NL teams, who are locked into personnel and management decisions optimized for no DH (except some World Series and other interleague games).
I like the difference between the two leagues. I felt like Torre gave the Yankees an advantage with a more NL managerial style in the AL and some substitution quirks other managers wouldn't have been open to. Weird things make the game fun.
Pinch-hitting for the pitcher and/or making double substitutions to shake up the batting order late in a game are classic National League managerial strategies that will be long-gone. I do realize, as someone else said, that this is just for whatever season is played this year plus next year, but it's been widely acknowledged that this is probably a way for the MLBPA to back-door it into permanence.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 19, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Last I checked the PGA and NASCAR still had major sporting events. I certainly would put them both on a higher tier in the sports world these days over horse racing.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 19, 2020, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 19, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Last I checked the PGA and NASCAR still had major sporting events. I certainly would put them both on a higher tier in the sports world these days over horse racing.
I agree. There are parts of the country where NASCAR is/was more popular than the NBA or NHL.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 19, 2020, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 19, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Last I checked the PGA and NASCAR still had major sporting events. I certainly would put them both on a higher tier in the sports world these days over horse racing.
I agree. There are parts of the country where NASCAR is/was more popular than the NBA or NHL.
Not up here in New England, nobody ever talks or knows about nascar.
Funnily enough, I thought NASCAR's Rockingham race was NH, not NC for a number of years.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 19, 2020, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 19, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Last I checked the PGA and NASCAR still had major sporting events. I certainly would put them both on a higher tier in the sports world these days over horse racing.
I agree. There are parts of the country where NASCAR is/was more popular than the NBA or NHL.
Not up here in New England, nobody ever talks or knows about nascar.
Never been to a race at Loudon? The modified series had a huge following up there in New England, especially back in the 1990s. My Dad ran a show car tour in Connecticut for Dave Marcis when Prodigy was the sponsor, we had hundreds of people show up for the autograph sessions.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 19, 2020, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 19, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
The first major North American sporting event since everything was shut down is tomorrow, with the Belmont Stakes running 3/8 mile shorter than its usual 1½ miles, and serving as the first leg of the triple crown instead of the usual final leg.
Last I checked the PGA and NASCAR still had major sporting events. I certainly would put them both on a higher tier in the sports world these days over horse racing.
None of the events that the PGA and NASCAR have had to date would qualify as "major" within those sports. I guess maybe the 600 at Charlotte could be considered major, but it's not on the level of the Daytona 500 or the championship race.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2020, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 20, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
Not up here in New England, nobody ever talks or knows about nascar.
Never been to a race at Loudon? The modified series had a huge following up there in New England, especially back in the 1990s. My Dad ran a show car tour in Connecticut for Dave Marcis when Prodigy was the sponsor, we had hundreds of people show up for the autograph sessions.
He wasn't born yet. :-D
Looks like my comment about baseball strategy in the NL, and NASCAR, got removed. :pan: :-( :thumbdown:
Quote from: GaryV on June 20, 2020, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2020, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 20, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
Not up here in New England, nobody ever talks or knows about nascar.
Never been to a race at Loudon? The modified series had a huge following up there in New England, especially back in the 1990s. My Dad ran a show car tour in Connecticut for Dave Marcis when Prodigy was the sponsor, we had hundreds of people show up for the autograph sessions.
He wasn't born yet. :-D
Speculative deduction that there is still far more NASCAR and PGA fans in New England over Horse Racing fans during his life time though.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 20, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
Looks like my comment about baseball strategy in the NL, and NASCAR, got removed. :pan: :-( :thumbdown:
If you want to limit it to sports, we'll allow it to stay. ;)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2020, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: GaryV on June 20, 2020, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 20, 2020, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 20, 2020, 12:51:10 AM
Not up here in New England, nobody ever talks or knows about nascar.
Never been to a race at Loudon? The modified series had a huge following up there in New England, especially back in the 1990s. My Dad ran a show car tour in Connecticut for Dave Marcis when Prodigy was the sponsor, we had hundreds of people show up for the autograph sessions.
He wasn't born yet. :-D
Speculative deduction that there is still far more NASCAR and PGA fans in New England over Horse Racing fans during his life time though.
Probably, but horse racing is even more obscure.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 20, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
None of the events that the PGA and NASCAR have had to date would qualify as "major" within those sports. I guess maybe the 600 at Charlotte could be considered major, but it's not on the level of the Daytona 500 or the championship race.
The Coca-Cola 600 @ Charlotte is one of the top 4 events of the season.
1) Longest race of the season.
2) Memorial Day weekend, and drivers sometimes attempt both it & the Indy 500 in the same day (1100 miles).
3) It's a 'home' race for NASCAR, as almost all the teams are in the Charlotte area.
Quote from: Alps on June 20, 2020, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 20, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
Looks like my comment about baseball strategy in the NL, and NASCAR, got removed. :pan: :-( :thumbdown:
If you want to limit it to sports, we'll allow it to stay. ;)
restored the non-political half
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2020, 12:03:26 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 20, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
None of the events that the PGA and NASCAR have had to date would qualify as "major" within those sports. I guess maybe the 600 at Charlotte could be considered major, but it's not on the level of the Daytona 500 or the championship race.
The Coca-Cola 600 @ Charlotte is one of the top 4 events of the season.
1) Longest race of the season.
2) Memorial Day weekend, and drivers sometimes attempt both it & the Indy 500 in the same day (1100 miles).
3) It's a 'home' race for NASCAR, as almost all the teams are in the Charlotte area.
It was also one of the races included in the old Winston Million -- the biggest (Daytona 500), the longest (World/Coke 600), the oldest (Southern 500) and the fastest (the Talladega race that was included.)
Quote from: hbelkins on June 22, 2020, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on June 21, 2020, 12:03:26 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 20, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
None of the events that the PGA and NASCAR have had to date would qualify as "major" within those sports. I guess maybe the 600 at Charlotte could be considered major, but it's not on the level of the Daytona 500 or the championship race.
The Coca-Cola 600 @ Charlotte is one of the top 4 events of the season.
1) Longest race of the season.
2) Memorial Day weekend, and drivers sometimes attempt both it & the Indy 500 in the same day (1100 miles).
3) It's a 'home' race for NASCAR, as almost all the teams are in the Charlotte area.
It was also one of the races included in the old Winston Million -- the biggest (Daytona 500), the longest (World/Coke 600), the oldest (Southern 500) and the fastest (the Talladega race that was included.)
Other than the Daytona 500, there seems to have been a gradual shift in the past twenty years to de-emphasize some of the "great" events. I suppose the payouts used to vary greatly, TV scheduling/coverage was patchy or even non-existent, but since most teams run the entire season schedule, it's all about the first race and building momentum from there. And I think that the major sponsorship packages had a big part of that...which is why having so many races actually dilutes things a little.
I still see the "500 mile" races as the important ones (along with the 600).
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2) Memorial Day weekend, and drivers sometimes attempt both it & the Indy 500 in the same day (1100 miles).
Wow, that's crazy. Racing 500 miles, jumping on a plane, racing 600 more miles. I can't imagine how exhausted those drivers must be at the end of the day.
Here's my list of NASCAR's most important races:
1. Daytona 500
2. Championship race (used to be Homestead, is now Phoenix)
3. October Talladega race
4. Coke Zero 400 (Daytona July race)
5. Coke 600
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2) Memorial Day weekend, and drivers sometimes attempt both it & the Indy 500 in the same day (1100 miles).
Wow, that's crazy. Racing 500 miles, jumping on a plane, racing 600 more miles. I can't imagine how exhausted those drivers must be at the end of the day.
Here's my list of NASCAR's most important races:
1. Daytona 500
2. Championship race (used to be Homestead, is now Phoenix)
3. October Talladega race
4. Coke Zero 400 (Daytona July race)
5. Coke 600
I always found it anticlimactic that the season ended at Homestead and now Phoenix. Atlanta generally offered a better race because of the 1.5 tri-oval configuration. Usually at Homestead and Phoenix someone usually dominates the race.
Quote from: thspfc on June 23, 2020, 10:20:40 PM
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2) Memorial Day weekend, and drivers sometimes attempt both it & the Indy 500 in the same day (1100 miles).
Wow, that's crazy. Racing 500 miles, jumping on a plane, racing 600 more miles. I can't imagine how exhausted those drivers must be at the end of the day.
Tony Stewart did it quite a few times!
Stewart did it twice. In 2001 he finished sixth at Indy and third at Charlotte. He had to go to the back of the field in Charlotte because he missed the mandatory driver's meeting. Prior to 1994, Charlotte was not a night race. Occasionally they were held on different days though.
Since we've been discussing NASCAR: I'm in the middle of re-watching The West Wing, and there is an episode where the first lady attends a NASCAR race in Martinsville--in January. Not even in a pandemic world is there ever going to be a race in Virginia in January. Also, in the world of The West Wing, Jamie McMurray can in at Martinsville even though in real life he never won at any track shorter than 1½ miles.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 24, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
Stewart did it twice. In 2001 he finished sixth at Indy and third at Charlotte. He had to go to the back of the field in Charlotte because he missed the mandatory driver's meeting. Prior to 1994, Charlotte was not a night race. Occasionally they were held on different days though.
Montoya did it at least once, I believe. And didn't one or both Gordons (Robby or Jeff) try it?
Quote from: hbelkins on June 30, 2020, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 24, 2020, 08:47:58 AM
Stewart did it twice. In 2001 he finished sixth at Indy and third at Charlotte. He had to go to the back of the field in Charlotte because he missed the mandatory driver's meeting. Prior to 1994, Charlotte was not a night race. Occasionally they were held on different days though.
Montoya did it at least once, I believe. And didn't one or both Gordons (Robby or Jeff) try it?
Robbie Gordon has done it a number of times. Neither Jeff nor Montoya have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Duty
The National Women's Soccer League has begun their reopening tournament in Salt Lake City and got 572,000 viewers on CBS (their first OTA broadcast ever). Really good start for them, even if the Orlando Pride had to withdraw. Several prominent players are also not playing due to their own health concerns.
Major League Soccer returns next week from Orlando, where cases haven't gone down. Things aren't looking rosy there.
College football season in jeopardy again.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...id/5352371002/
"Pervasive optimism that the college football season would start and finish on time has given way to nervousness as programs continue to see players with COVID-19 infections during voluntary workouts and multiple states have either slowed down or reversed some aspects of their reopening plans due to spiking case numbers. The idea of delaying college football to the spring, which was dismissed as a last resort a few months ago, is being revived in some corners as a legitimate option to buy time and give programs more tools to manage a situation that many administrators privately admit is unwieldy and uncertain. Meanwhile, some FBS conferences are actively engaged with banks on opening up lines of credit to guard against lost revenue, a key acknowledgment that schools fear a potential revenue wipeout this fall."
Quote from: Bruce on June 30, 2020, 11:07:12 PM
Major League Soccer returns next week from Orlando, where cases haven't gone down. Things aren't looking rosy there.
And the NBA is also planning on playing in Orlando.
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay. In addition to that being about a $7.5M financial hit for the Packers for the season in reduced gate revenue, it would directly affect *ME* - my family has a season ticket subscription with them for two seats in row 01 in the south end zone.
:banghead:
:verymad: Karens!
Mike
The Indy 500, rescheduled for August 23, is going to limit capacity to 50%, with anybody getting 1-2 tickets guaranteed their full number of tickets, and anybody getting 3+ guaranteed at least half. My wife and I have been going for several years now and for the first year added a second pair of tickets to invite another couple to go with us. Thankfully we hadn't yet invited anybody yet, so it will just be the two of us again. Probably will not arrive as early as usual, and limit the moving around to 1 or 2 bathroom trips.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay. In addition to that being about a $7.5M financial hit for the Packers for the season in reduced gate revenue, it would directly affect *ME* - my family has a season ticket subscription with them for two seats in row 01 in the south end zone.
:banghead:
:verymad: Karens!
Mike
Not Karens. Just good practice in general to distance fans from teams.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay. In addition to that being about a $7.5M financial hit for the Packers for the season in reduced gate revenue, it would directly affect *ME* - my family has a season ticket subscription with them for two seats in row 01 in the south end zone.
:banghead:
:verymad: Karens!
Mike
At the rate things are going, I think the best we can hope for is games without any fans. Maybe stadiums that are 25% full, but IMO even that is doubtful.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay.
So they're going to protect the players from the fans by moving them away from the field. What are they going to do to protect the fans from each other?
Quote from: GaryV on July 03, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay.
So they're going to protect the players from the fans by moving them away from the field. What are they going to do to protect the fans from each other?
Require the wearing of masks or other face coverings for fans, especially in common areas?
Quote from: GaryV on July 03, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay.
So they're going to protect the players from the fans by moving them away from the field. What are they going to do to protect the fans from each other?
People who return to crowded situations without even being done with the first wave of illness don't deserve protection.
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.
Quote from: Alps on July 03, 2020, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: GaryV on July 03, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay.
So they're going to protect the players from the fans by moving them away from the field. What are they going to do to protect the fans from each other?
People who return to crowded situations without even being done with the first wave of illness don't deserve protection.
So you're not willing to buy my Bengals-Eagles tickets three rows from the top for 4x face value?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
Aren't all diseases potentially deadly?
I'm not saying don't take precautions. I'm just saying don't pretend this one is deadly but other diseases aren't.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 03, 2020, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 03, 2020, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: GaryV on July 03, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 02, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
Chatter that I was seeing from the NFL over the past few days has the NFL, assuming that they start up on time, possibly doing a 'fans in the stands' thing with the closest to the field rows of seats in the various stadia being tarped off. That would include the first 6-8 rows of seats in Green Bay.
So they're going to protect the players from the fans by moving them away from the field. What are they going to do to protect the fans from each other?
People who return to crowded situations without even being done with the first wave of illness don't deserve protection.
So you're not willing to buy my Bengals-Eagles tickets three rows from the top for 4x face value?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
Aren't all diseases potentially deadly?
I'm not saying don't take precautions. I'm just saying don't pretend this one is deadly but other diseases aren't.
This one is significantly more deadly than the common cold or the flu. And you shouldn't be going to a football game, or really anywhere, if you have the flu.
Jimmie Johnson tested positive.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-positive-covid-19-test/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-positive-covid-19-test/)
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
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Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?
Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?
Well, seeing as you say that you are 21YO, you might 'catch' the virus, but your likelihood of dying from it are about as close to zero as you can get. You have a better chance of getting seriously ill from a common cold than you are from that.
Mike
Quote from: LM117 on July 03, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
Jimmie Johnson tested positive.
https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-positive-covid-19-test/ (https://m.nascar.com/news-media/2020/07/03/jimmie-johnson-positive-covid-19-test/)
The flip side of this is that he was supposed to be on his way out of NASCAR.
Some fans at games isn't necessarily out of the question, but filling up stadiums up to capacity shouldn't be happening until there's a COVID vaccine.
Quote from: webny99 on July 03, 2020, 11:56:04 PM
Some fans at games isn't necessarily out of the question, but filling up stadiums up to capacity shouldn't be happening until there's a COVID vaccine.
The Green Bay Packers plan to have some fans at games.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?
Well, seeing as you say that you are 21YO, you might 'catch' the virus, but your likelihood of dying from it are about as close to zero as you can get. You have a better chance of getting seriously ill from a common cold than you are from that.
Mike
Very, very false. Healthy people are getting the disease too. You're just showing ignorance of the health risks right now, stop while you're behind.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?
Well, seeing as you say that you are 21YO, you might 'catch' the virus, but your likelihood of dying from it are about as close to zero as you can get. You have a better chance of getting seriously ill from a common cold than you are from that.
Mike
No but you can spread it. Which is exactly what is happening in Florida and Texas. Pay attention.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
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Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Nope. You missed the point. Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 04, 2020, 12:02:31 AM
Quote from: webny99 on July 03, 2020, 11:56:04 PM
Some fans at games isn't necessarily out of the question, but filling up stadiums up to capacity shouldn't be happening until there's a COVID vaccine.
The Green Bay Packers plan to have some fans at games.
For those late-season games with below-zero wind chill, most fans wouldn't mind wearing face masks.
Jimmy Johnson ended up testing positive for COVID and will be out of today's race. How that isn't bigger news in the sports world kind of eludes me. That said, NASCAR currently is set up for a driver to miss races with the huge emphasis on winning races as an entry into the Post Season.
Bills fans, however, won't be able to attend games.
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/7/2/21311084/no-fans-will-be-allowed-at-new-era-field-during-covid-19-pandemic-per-new-guidelines-new-york-state
Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?
Then wear your mask when you are at those places to protect yourself if you feel inclined.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 04, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?
Then wear your mask when you are at those places to protect yourself if you feel inclined.
https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/coronavirus-do-masks-protect-you-how-do-you-wear-them-where-do-you-find-them/HOYE2BKYPBDNHO4NUQQNOIQQQY/
read it.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 04, 2020, 03:05:53 PM
Bills fans, however, won't be able to attend games.
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/7/2/21311084/no-fans-will-be-allowed-at-new-era-field-during-covid-19-pandemic-per-new-guidelines-new-york-state
But Univ. at Buffalo fans will be able to. The PDF linked to the article says that college sports are not subject to the prohibition.
ixnay
Quote from: ixnay on July 04, 2020, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 04, 2020, 03:05:53 PM
Bills fans, however, won't be able to attend games.
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/7/2/21311084/no-fans-will-be-allowed-at-new-era-field-during-covid-19-pandemic-per-new-guidelines-new-york-state
But Univ. at Buffalo fans will be able to. The PDF linked to the article says that college sports are not subject to the prohibition.
ixnay
If colleges are even in person.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn’t make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
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Honestly can’t imagine how people can watch what’s going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Nope. You missed the point. Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.
Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
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Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Nope. You missed the point. Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.
Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?
Mike
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
Quote
Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Nope. You missed the point. Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.
Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?
Mike
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
LOL, yes.
And I actually think there are ways to responsibly have crowds at outdoor events. But it is frought with problems. In bathrooms, terraces, pre-gaming, etc. is where they exist. Actually having people sitting a few rows and seats apart is the least of the worries.
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Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
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Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn’t make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
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Honestly can’t imagine how people can watch what’s going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Nope. You missed the point. Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.
Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?
Mike
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
So then you mean to say that were are to spend the rest of our lives cooped up in our little hobbit holes, scared sick of the outside World. Got it!
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.
Mike
When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.
Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.
You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?
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Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.
Did you read my reply above?
Mike
Nope. You missed the point. Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.
Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?
Mike
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
So then you mean to say that were are to spend the rest of our lives cooped up in our little hobbit holes, scared sick of the outside World. Got it!
Mike
Nope. Didn't say anything of the sort. When you have to resort to hyperbolic nonsense it means your argument is weak.
We aren't having large crowds at sporting events until this is managed better. And it's being managed horribly right now.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
Here's a really weird one. Last night, Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, TX was supposed to run a 9-race card, including a bunch of stakes races. They ran Race 1, then after a 55-minute delay, canceled Races 2—9 "out of an abundance of caution due to COVID-19" and postponed the rest of their meet indefinitely.
What the heck was that about?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
I'm not fearful of anything. I also don't live my life completely is some rural, bumf*ck county in the middle of nowhere Kentucky, so I think my perspective is a little more complete than yours.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
I'm not fearful of anything. I also don't live my life completely is some rural, bumf*ck county in the middle of nowhere Kentucky, so I think my perspective is a little more complete than yours.
This goes both ways. While someone living in rural Kentucky might not understand what living in New York City or even southeastern Wisconsin is like, someone living in New York City might not understand exurban sprawl, preservation of true wilderness or Native American reservations, the importance of agriculture, or even (outside this forum) driving a car to get everywhere.
Quote from: 1 on July 06, 2020, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
I'm not fearful of anything. I also don't live my life completely is some rural, bumf*ck county in the middle of nowhere Kentucky, so I think my perspective is a little more complete than yours.
This goes both ways. While someone living in rural Kentucky might not understand what living in New York City or even southeastern Wisconsin is like, someone living in New York City might not understand exurban sprawl, preservation of true wilderness or Native American reservations, the importance of agriculture, or even (outside this forum) driving a car to get everywhere.
Cool. It's not terribly relevant since I've lived in large cities, suburbs, medium sized crapholes, rural counties, etc. And IMO the people who have the least amount of true perspective in life are those who live in the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 06, 2020, 06:45:21 AM
Here's a really weird one. Last night, Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, TX was supposed to run a 9-race card, including a bunch of stakes races. They ran Race 1, then after a 55-minute delay, canceled Races 2—9 "out of an abundance of caution due to COVID-19" and postponed the rest of their meet indefinitely.
What the heck was that about?
I'm guessing one of the following:
1. A government order came down after race 1
2. A jockey or trainer of a horse in Race 2 (or a later race) must have developed flu-like symptoms
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test? YES, he died from The Virusâ„¢! :-o
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test? YES, he died from The Virusâ„¢! :-o
Mike
I'm not actually that scared of the virus but it can be dangerous.
https://www.fox4news.com/sports/rangers-slugger-joey-gallo-tests-positive-for-covid-19
The MLB has announced that Joey Gallo has been tested positive for COVID-19.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test? YES, he died from The Virusâ„¢! :-o
Mike
I sincerely hope you catch it so that you can determine for yourself how dangerous it is.
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test? YES, he died from The Virusâ„¢! :-o
Mike
I sincerely hope you catch it so that you can determine for yourself how dangerous it is.
Some people have argued that they got it and it was very mild, which means that (they think) it's no big deal and the whole thing is overblown.
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test? YES, he died from The Virusâ„¢! :-o
Mike
Doesn't matter if they were going to die next week or next month or next year from something else. If they had the virus, and died from anything other than traumatic injuries, the virus is considered a cause of death. That's how medicine works with this virus or any other virus or bacteria. If you want medicine to change long standing practices to enhance your personal political cause, then just say that's what you want.
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.
Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
That's a a worldwide total...
Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test? YES, he died from The Virusâ„¢! :-o
Mike
I sincerely hope you catch it so that you can determine for yourself how dangerous it is.
we all know better than that
Quote from: kphoger on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
I don't really believe that Alps was being totally serious. Since mgk920 said that the virus is no big deal, Alps is kinda implying that he's shouldn't be scared to catch it. A bit snarky, but whatever.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
I don't really believe that Alps was being totally serious. Since mgk920 said that the virus is no big deal, Alps is kinda implying that he's shouldn't be scared to catch it. A bit snarky, but whatever.
People don't misuse "sincerely" the way they misuse "literally".
Quote from: ftballfan on July 06, 2020, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 06, 2020, 06:45:21 AM
Here's a really weird one. Last night, Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, TX was supposed to run a 9-race card, including a bunch of stakes races. They ran Race 1, then after a 55-minute delay, canceled Races 2—9 "out of an abundance of caution due to COVID-19" and postponed the rest of their meet indefinitely.
What the heck was that about?
I'm guessing one of the following:
1. A government order came down after race 1
2. A jockey or trainer of a horse in Race 2 (or a later race) must have developed flu-like symptoms
I'm guessing it's #2, since if it were #1 I'd imagine that the track would say so in their cancellation message. Could have been someone other than a jockey or trainer; there's a lot of people involved in staging a race. Could have been an outrider or steward, for instance.
It's also possible that someone higher up (the chain of command at LSP is...complex) made a decision that didn't get relayed to the track until it was too late to cancel Race 1.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 06, 2020, 06:45:21 AM
Here's a really weird one. Last night, Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, TX was supposed to run a 9-race card, including a bunch of stakes races. They ran Race 1, then after a 55-minute delay, canceled Races 2—9 "out of an abundance of caution due to COVID-19" and postponed the rest of their meet indefinitely.
What the heck was that about?
Kentucky postponed (later canceled) its girls state high school basketball tournament back in March after the first game of a two-game afternoon session. There was nothing to indicate that any participant or spectator had tested positive. The teams playing in the second game were getting ready to come out on the floor for warmups when the announcement was made.
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
Quote from: formulanone on July 06, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
F1 keeps trying to get a footprint in the American Market. The style of racing just doesn't garner a following in the United States. The races are more about which team has engineered the best car over driver performance. The FIA has a bunch of fussy rules to boot which kind of make it lame experience if you're not into the cars. At this point I'm not really even sure why they bother with an F1 race state side.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 06, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
F1 keeps trying to get a footprint in the American Market. The style of racing just doesn't garner a following in the United States. The races are more about which team has engineered the best car over driver performance. The FIA has a bunch of fussy rules to boot which kind of make it lame experience if you're not into the cars. At this point I'm not really even sure why they bother with an F1 race state side.
Every style of racing is pretty much like that now.
Mercedes and Ferrari win 90% of the F1 races
Penske and Ganassi win 90% of the IndyCar races
Gibbs, Penske and Stewart-Haas win 90% of the NASCAR races
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 06, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
F1 keeps trying to get a footprint in the American Market. The style of racing just doesn't garner a following in the United States. The races are more about which team has engineered the best car over driver performance. The FIA has a bunch of fussy rules to boot which kind of make it lame experience if you're not into the cars. At this point I'm not really even sure why they bother with an F1 race state side.
Every style of racing is pretty much like that now.
Mercedes and Ferrari win 90% of the F1 races
Penske and Ganassi win 90% of the IndyCar races
Gibbs, Penske and Stewart-Haas win 90% of the NASCAR races
Cup Series has had 8 different winners in 16 races. Most years in the last three/four decades see at least a dozen different race winners. The Cup Races are down right thrillers compared to the typical pole winner running away with the field F1 Race. Regard Indy Car that's been declining in relevance in motor sports since the IRL split from CART but still is a better show than F1.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 06, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
F1 keeps trying to get a footprint in the American Market. The style of racing just doesn't garner a following in the United States. The races are more about which team has engineered the best car over driver performance. The FIA has a bunch of fussy rules to boot which kind of make it lame experience if you're not into the cars. At this point I'm not really even sure why they bother with an F1 race state side.
Every style of racing is pretty much like that now.
Mercedes and Ferrari win 90% of the F1 races
Penske and Ganassi win 90% of the IndyCar races
Gibbs, Penske and Stewart-Haas win 90% of the NASCAR races
Cup Series has had 8 different winners in 16 races. Most years in the last three/four decades see at least a dozen different race winners. The Cup Races are down right thrillers compared to the typical pole winner running away with the field F1 Race. Regard Indy Car that's been declining in relevance in motor sports since the IRL split from CART but still is a better show than F1.
8 different winners in 16 races, but 14 of the 16 (88%) are from the three teams I mentioned. Proportional to the field sizes, just as predictable as the two open wheel series.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 06, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
F1 keeps trying to get a footprint in the American Market. The style of racing just doesn't garner a following in the United States. The races are more about which team has engineered the best car over driver performance. The FIA has a bunch of fussy rules to boot which kind of make it lame experience if you're not into the cars. At this point I'm not really even sure why they bother with an F1 race state side.
Every style of racing is pretty much like that now.
Mercedes and Ferrari win 90% of the F1 races
Penske and Ganassi win 90% of the IndyCar races
Gibbs, Penske and Stewart-Haas win 90% of the NASCAR races
Cup Series has had 8 different winners in 16 races. Most years in the last three/four decades see at least a dozen different race winners. The Cup Races are down right thrillers compared to the typical pole winner running away with the field F1 Race. Regard Indy Car that's been declining in relevance in motor sports since the IRL split from CART but still is a better show than F1.
8 different winners in 16 races, but 14 of the 16 (88%) are from the three teams I mentioned. Proportional to the field sizes, just as predictable as the two open wheel series.
And really that isn't different to most years since multi-car teams took off in the late 1990s.
Quote from: 1 on July 06, 2020, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
I don't really believe that Alps was being totally serious. Since mgk920 said that the virus is no big deal, Alps is kinda implying that he's shouldn't be scared to catch it. A bit snarky, but whatever.
People don't misuse "sincerely" the way they misuse "literally".
Did you want me to say "literally?" I just want this whole damn thing to be over like the rest of us, except I recognize the value in us all taking precautions.
Quote from: Alps on July 07, 2020, 12:39:35 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 06, 2020, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
I don't really believe that Alps was being totally serious. Since mgk920 said that the virus is no big deal, Alps is kinda implying that he's shouldn't be scared to catch it. A bit snarky, but whatever.
People don't misuse "sincerely" the way they misuse "literally".
Did you want me to say "literally?" I just want this whole damn thing to be over like the rest of us, except I recognize the value in us all taking precautions.
And frankly it is extremely frustrating to see that people still don't have an understanding of what we are dealing with. Look what is happening in Florida and Texas. And people seriously think having 80,000+ people wandering around Lambeau Field pre-game, getting into the game, using the crowded bathrooms and hallways, and sitting shoulder-to-shoulder is no big deal?
I will be happy if I can watch the games from my couch, but if we don't start taking this seriously, we might not even get that.
Quote from: Alps on July 07, 2020, 12:39:35 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 06, 2020, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
I don't really believe that Alps was being totally serious. Since mgk920 said that the virus is no big deal, Alps is kinda implying that he's shouldn't be scared to catch it. A bit snarky, but whatever.
People don't misuse "sincerely" the way they misuse "literally".
Did you want me to say "literally?" I just want this whole damn thing to be over like the rest of us, except I recognize the value in us all taking precautions.
I can't speak for
1, but what I would prefer is for moderators to refrain from wishing forum members to contract a serious disease.
Quote from: kphoger on July 07, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 07, 2020, 12:39:35 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 06, 2020, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 06, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
I sincerely hope you catch it
Really? You actually hope he gets COVID? I hadn't visited this thread until now, and this is what I see when I finally do hop in? (I had clicked on the thread by mistake a few times but that's about it.)
I'd report this post to the moderators for violating the "harassing or insulting remarks towards another member" guideline, but, well...
I don't really believe that Alps was being totally serious. Since mgk920 said that the virus is no big deal, Alps is kinda implying that he's shouldn't be scared to catch it. A bit snarky, but whatever.
People don't misuse "sincerely" the way they misuse "literally".
Did you want me to say "literally?" I just want this whole damn thing to be over like the rest of us, except I recognize the value in us all taking precautions.
I can't speak for 1, but what I would prefer is for moderators to refrain from wishing forum members to contract a serious disease.
I wish for everyone whatever they wish upon themselves and others
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 06, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 06, 2020, 07:38:00 PM
Hey, they actually ran the F1 Austrian Grand Prix with no spectators.
I'm not sure if exact numbers are kept, but the race at Phoenix in 1989 boasted about 10,000 in paid attendance.
F1 keeps trying to get a footprint in the American Market. The style of racing just doesn’t garner a following in the United States. The races are more about which team has engineered the best car over driver performance. The FIA has a bunch of fussy rules to boot which kind of make it lame experience if you’re not into the cars. At this point I’m not really even sure why they bother with an F1 race state side.
Every style of racing is pretty much like that now.
Mercedes and Ferrari win 90% of the F1 races
Penske and Ganassi win 90% of the IndyCar races
Gibbs, Penske and Stewart-Haas win 90% of the NASCAR races
Cup Series has had 8 different winners in 16 races. Most years in the last three/four decades see at least a dozen different race winners. The Cup Races are down right thrillers compared to the typical pole winner running away with the field F1 Race. Regard Indy Car that’s been declining in relevance in motor sports since the IRL split from CART but still is a better show than F1.
There's at least a dozen valid reasons F1 will never be dominant in America, but that's for another discussion. But they're all different thrills to me; I appreciate F1 for the ever-changing spectacle more than the rest, though there's not as much passing as an IndyCar or [sponsor] Cup Car race. I think as all of them tend to close loopholes, they always run the risk of making the events less enjoyable.
I think the Phoenix situation three decades ago also suffered from a severe lack of promotion (like being awarded the race from Detroit about six months before), though I don't think it was a recognized international destination that long ago. They probably thought a lot of Californians would make the trek out because they'd supported an even in Long Beach several years earlier. Having the first one in June wasn't the best of ideas!
I think a lot of the racing world's seasons are just going to be one big asterisk, with possible sudden event closures, seeing as how there's going to be illnesses and it's harder to keep so many individuals in a bubble, even without spectators. It's really back to square one, but with more PPE.
Looking like the next 'relocated' race in NASCAR will be the Watkins Glen race. Rumors are the Daytona Road Course getting that date this year.
https://twitter.com/A_S12/status/1280540890755457024
I wasn't saying that I agreed with Alps, only that he meant exactly what he said.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 07, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
Looking like the next 'relocated' race in NASCAR will be the Watkins Glen race. Rumors are the Daytona Road Course getting that date this year.
https://twitter.com/A_S12/status/1280540890755457024
There was also some chatter around here (northeast Wisconsin) a few weeks ago about the potential for a 'Cup' race at Road America (annual?), near Elkhart Lake, WI, starting next year. NASCAR has been running second tier races there for several years now.
Mike
Quote from: 1 on July 07, 2020, 01:23:04 PM
I wasn't saying that I agreed with Alps, only that he meant exactly what he said.
I figured. Just didn't want to put words in your mouth.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 07, 2020, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 07, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
Looking like the next 'relocated' race in NASCAR will be the Watkins Glen race. Rumors are the Daytona Road Course getting that date this year.
https://twitter.com/A_S12/status/1280540890755457024
There was also some chatter around here (northeast Wisconsin) a few weeks ago about the potential for a 'Cup' race at Road America (annual?), near Elkhart Lake, WI, starting next year. NASCAR has been running second tier races there for several years now.
Mike
I wonder if the COVID-caused IndyCar/NASCAR doubleheader at Indy will lead to more planned dual weekends in the future, at least during the NBC half of the NASCAR season.
Tracks where both do/have run:
Homestead
Phoenix
Indy
Texas
Richmond
Kansas
Milwaukee
Michigan
Kentucky
Sonoma
Chicago
Watkins Glen
Fontana
Pocono
Probably more as well but IndyCar schedules have changed a lot over the years and I didn't check every year.
Milwaukee has never run a NASCAR Cup race. Just a second tier and truck races. But those stopped over a decade ago as I recall. Indy hasn't run there is years as well.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 07, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
Milwaukee has never run a NASCAR Cup race. Just a second tier and truck races. But those stopped over a decade ago as I recall. Indy hasn't run there is years as well.
That always surprises me that Cup never ran at the Milwaukee Mile considering it's one of the oldest race tracks in the country. Cup used to run races inside Soldier Field, maybe they thought Milwaukee was too close for another event?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 07, 2020, 03:44:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 07, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
Milwaukee has never run a NASCAR Cup race. Just a second tier and truck races. But those stopped over a decade ago as I recall. Indy hasn't run there is years as well.
That always surprises me that Cup never ran at the Milwaukee Mile considering it's one of the oldest race tracks in the country. Cup used to run races inside Soldier Field, maybe they thought Milwaukee was too close for another event?
Yeah I just don't see it happening. A promoter is going to have to take a pretty big financial risk to make that work. Attendance wasn't great ten years ago - I just don't think there's much of an audience for it.
By the way, the 1939 NFL Championship Game was played at the infield of the Mile. That is where the Packers first played when they came to Milwaukee, and it was pretty controversial. The Packers moved it to Milwaukee to get more gate receipts.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 07, 2020, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 07, 2020, 03:44:48 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 07, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
Milwaukee has never run a NASCAR Cup race. Just a second tier and truck races. But those stopped over a decade ago as I recall. Indy hasn't run there is years as well.
That always surprises me that Cup never ran at the Milwaukee Mile considering it's one of the oldest race tracks in the country. Cup used to run races inside Soldier Field, maybe they thought Milwaukee was too close for another event?
Yeah I just don't see it happening. A promoter is going to have to take a pretty big financial risk to make that work. Attendance wasn't great ten years ago - I just don't think there's much of an audience for it.
By the way, the 1939 NFL Championship Game was played at the infield of the Mile. That is where the Packers first played when they came to Milwaukee, and it was pretty controversial. The Packers moved it to Milwaukee to get more gate receipts.
It probably would be a better race that what happens at the cookie cutter Chicagoland Speedway. If anything a mile track or shorter would be a welcome change of pace. I still think Cup should run at least two more road races and at least two dirt tracks.
If this doesn't call into question the accuracy of testing, as well as how contagious this disease actually is, then nothing does.
https://www.kentucky.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/kentucky-speedway/article244079037.html#storylink=hpdigest_sports
Jimmie Johnson's wife tests positive after experiencing symptoms, then Johnson tests positive on Friday and misses Indy.
Then he tests negative on Monday and Tuesday so he's cleared to race at Kentucky this weekend.
It would appear that Johnson had a false positive test, and he also didn't catch it from his wife despite their close contact.
And speaking of Kentucky...
https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mark-story/article244012942.html#storylink=related_inline
Doesn't make sense that they're not allowing fans, after fans were allowed at Talladega (and also Miami, if I understand correctly; I didn't watch). A local speedway in northern Kentucky got a court order allowing them to have fans attend at 50 percent of the track's capacity. That order is in effect statewide. For Kentucky Speedway to stay closed to fans is illogical considering that they can legally allow fans.
It's official, Watkins Glen -> Daytona RC.
https://www.jayski.com/2020/07/08/nascar-announces-2020-schedule-through-cup-series-regular-season-finale-weekend/
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 08, 2020, 04:04:22 PM
It's official, Watkins Glen -> Daytona RC.
https://www.jayski.com/2020/07/08/nascar-announces-2020-schedule-through-cup-series-regular-season-finale-weekend/
Maybe this will lead to the second Daytona race shifting from the oval to the road course in future years.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 08, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 08, 2020, 04:04:22 PM
It's official, Watkins Glen -> Daytona RC.
https://www.jayski.com/2020/07/08/nascar-announces-2020-schedule-through-cup-series-regular-season-finale-weekend/
Maybe this will lead to the second Daytona race shifting from the oval to the road course in future years.
I doubt that considering that the superspeedway races get the best ratings. The Daytona RC may become its own event though. NASCAR was already planning to use it instead of the oval for the clash next year.
I wouldn’t mind seeing NASCAR follow F1* and go to tracks that weren’t originally on the schedule, like VIR, Rockingham (if it’s still open), or Carolina Motorsports Park. Or have the Cup cars at Gateway.
*yes, I know Mugello and Portimao haven’t been made official yet, but it sounds like it’s just a matter of time
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 08, 2020, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 08, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 08, 2020, 04:04:22 PM
It's official, Watkins Glen -> Daytona RC.
https://www.jayski.com/2020/07/08/nascar-announces-2020-schedule-through-cup-series-regular-season-finale-weekend/
Maybe this will lead to the second Daytona race shifting from the oval to the road course in future years.
I doubt that considering that the superspeedway races get the best ratings. The Daytona RC may become its own event though. NASCAR was already planning to use it instead of the oval for the clash next year.
Other than the Daytona 500, I really just watch the last half hour of the other three restrictor plate races because track position before the last few laps doesn't matter at all. I much prefer watching short track and road courses.
The Ivy League cancelled all fall sports.
Quote from: Takumi on July 08, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing NASCAR follow F1* and go to tracks that weren't originally on the schedule, like VIR, Rockingham (if it's still open), or Carolina Motorsports Park. Or have the Cup cars at Gateway.
*yes, I know Mugello and Portimao haven't been made official yet, but it sounds like it's just a matter of time
I'd like to see stuff like North Wilkesboro and Hickory come back on the schedule. In the case the former it had some good racing but the amenities sucked (I was actually at the last race myself). Hickory being under 0.4 miles would certainly be unique but I'm not sure if it could handle a conventional 40 car race.
The wallup in Puyallup is cancelled this year
https://www.thefair.com/covid-19-statement/
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 08, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing NASCAR follow F1* and go to tracks that weren't originally on the schedule, like VIR, Rockingham (if it's still open), or Carolina Motorsports Park. Or have the Cup cars at Gateway.
*yes, I know Mugello and Portimao haven't been made official yet, but it sounds like it's just a matter of time
I'd like to see stuff like North Wilkesboro and Hickory come back on the schedule. In the case the former it had some good racing but the amenities sucked (I was actually at the last race myself). Hickory being under 0.4 miles would certainly be unique but I'm not sure if it could handle a conventional 40 car race.
Is North Wilkesboro even in racing shape anymore? I heard it closed again not that long ago.
Quote from: Takumi on July 08, 2020, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 08, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing NASCAR follow F1* and go to tracks that weren't originally on the schedule, like VIR, Rockingham (if it's still open), or Carolina Motorsports Park. Or have the Cup cars at Gateway.
*yes, I know Mugello and Portimao haven't been made official yet, but it sounds like it's just a matter of time
I'd like to see stuff like North Wilkesboro and Hickory come back on the schedule. In the case the former it had some good racing but the amenities sucked (I was actually at the last race myself). Hickory being under 0.4 miles would certainly be unique but I'm not sure if it could handle a conventional 40 car race.
Is North Wilkesboro even in racing shape anymore? I heard it closed again not that long ago.
It exists but hasn't held a race in about a decade. The track would likely need to be repaved at this point.
I also doubt some of these older tracks have the safety features that modern tracks do.
Quote from: Big John on July 08, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
The Ivy League cancelled all fall sports.
I would be extremely surprised if we have college football this fall.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 09, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Quote from: Big John on July 08, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
The Ivy League cancelled all fall sports.
I would be extremely surprised if we have college football this fall.
It's going to hinge on whether or not colleges return to campus. Right now, most are planning to do so, though the recent surges in cases could change things.
I don't see a full spring season being possible and having players turn around and start another season in August. The best you could hope for is maybe a 4-5 game schedule with no conference championships or bowl games.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 09, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Quote from: Big John on July 08, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
The Ivy League cancelled all fall sports.
I would be extremely surprised if we have college football this fall.
It's going to hinge on whether or not colleges return to campus. Right now, most are planning to do so, though the recent surges in cases could change things.
I don't see a full spring season being possible and having players turn around and start another season in August. The best you could hope for is maybe a 4-5 game schedule with no conference championships or bowl games.
Not only the recent surges, but I think the positive Covid testing of athletes is a canary in a coal mine for higher education. You can't lock down a college campus. Students are going to go out and interact with the community and with one another. Residence halls and most off-campus housing are perfect examples of the type of atmophere where this disease can spread easily.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 09, 2020, 08:46:08 AM
I also doubt some of these older tracks have the safety features that modern tracks do.
I've always questioned the logic of Safer Barriers at short tracks anyways. It's not like they couldn't be installed by NASCAR relatively easily. In the case of North Wilkesboro the track still has seating capacity for 40,000, that's close to average for a normal Cup Race now. Hickory is only slightly over 13,000.
Quote from: Bruce on July 08, 2020, 10:28:39 PM
The wallup in Puyallup is cancelled this year
https://www.thefair.com/covid-19-statement/
The 'wallup' is the big car sales event that Puyallup used to have (may still have?). The fair being a separate thing. I suspect the wallup may still happen, given what happened to car sales overall.
Still, yeah, lots of disappointed (but understanding) friends and family. I used to live about three blocks from the fair, and went all the time. Big part of my childhood.
Quote from: Takumi on July 08, 2020, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 08, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 08, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing NASCAR follow F1* and go to tracks that weren't originally on the schedule, like VIR, Rockingham (if it's still open), or Carolina Motorsports Park. Or have the Cup cars at Gateway.
*yes, I know Mugello and Portimao haven't been made official yet, but it sounds like it's just a matter of time
I'd like to see stuff like North Wilkesboro and Hickory come back on the schedule. In the case the former it had some good racing but the amenities sucked (I was actually at the last race myself). Hickory being under 0.4 miles would certainly be unique but I'm not sure if it could handle a conventional 40 car race.
Is North Wilkesboro even in racing shape anymore? I heard it closed again not that long ago.
Dale Jr. led a crew to work on the facility to map it for the e-racing event that "happened" there. I'm not sure what they did, or what repairs would be required to the racing facilities or the amenities (grandstands, etc.). I'm not even sure who owns it anymore, but I know they stressed during the broadcast that it's still private property and visitors aren't welcome.
That's what I figured.
In other racing news, F1 will indeed announce that it's going to go to two new (for the series) tracks during the next leg of its schedule, the Mugello Circuit in Italy in September, probably under the name Grand Prix of Tuscany, and a return to Portugal with the relatively new Portimao circuit in October.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mugello-september-2020-calendar-slot/4828667
The Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
The Big Ten (+4) has announced that they will play only conference contests for all Fall 2020 sports, including football.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 05:54:40 PM
The Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
The Big Ten (+4) has announced that they will play only conference contests for all Fall 2020 sports, including football.
Might as well cancel the whole thing then, that's lame playing a high school schedule.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 09, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 05:54:40 PM
The Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
The Big Ten (+4) has announced that they will play only conference contests for all Fall 2020 sports, including football.
Might as well cancel the whole thing then, that's lame playing a high school schedule.
But those games are extremely important for anyone wanting to make a pro team.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 09, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 05:54:40 PM
The Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
The Big Ten (+4) has announced that they will play only conference contests for all Fall 2020 sports, including football.
Might as well cancel the whole thing then, that's lame playing a high school schedule.
But those games are extremely important for anyone wanting to make a pro team.
I get that but it still makes for a beyond butchered season. The MLB was bad enough with the 60 game season and universal DH, but at least they are letting the teams have a crack at everyone. Those non-conference games in the Power Five conferences were often among the best of the College Football season. I might be more a mind to find the situation more agreeable if all the conferences do something like a round robin and then do a four team playoff anyway.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 09, 2020, 06:52:52 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 09, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 09, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 09, 2020, 05:54:40 PM
The Ivy League has cancelled all Fall 2020 sports.
The Big Ten (+4) has announced that they will play only conference contests for all Fall 2020 sports, including football.
Might as well cancel the whole thing then, that's lame playing a high school schedule.
But those games are extremely important for anyone wanting to make a pro team.
I get that but it still makes for a beyond butchered season. The MLB was bad enough with the 60 game season and universal DH, but at least they are letting the teams have a crack at everyone. Those non-conference games in the Power Five conferences were often among the best of the College Football season. I might be more a mind to find the situation more agreeable if all the conferences do something like a round robin and then do a four team playoff anyway.
At this point, I think sports leagues are trying to give fans the most that they can do safely. I've lost track of how many evenings since April I wish I had a White Sox game to watch but didn't. If conference games is the most we can get on Saturdays in the Fall, then that's what I'll settle for and it's far better than nothing, though I don't know how my Irish fill their schedule if all the conferences play only conference games. Best of 9 against BYU I guess.
Supposedly the Irish might play an ACC schedule this coming year, with some even considering letting Notre Dame BE an ACC team at least for the season. In any case the ACC is opening the door for them if that comes to be.
And while the loss of non-conference games may be frustrating I don't think anyone's gonna really miss the Citadel playing SEC schools. The non-conference games were some of the best games (good bye Wisconsin-Notre Dame) but they were also some of the most boring as well.
Quote from: tdindy88 on July 09, 2020, 07:20:15 PM
Supposedly the Irish might play an ACC schedule this coming year, with some even considering letting Notre Dame BE an ACC team at least for the season. In any case the ACC is opening the door for them if that comes to be.
And while the loss of non-conference games may be frustrating I don't think anyone's gonna really miss the Citadel playing SEC schools. The non-conference games were some of the best games (good bye Wisconsin-Notre Dame) but they were also some of the most boring as well.
Really at this point this might be a good time to pair down whatever Division 1 is called these days to 80-100 schools. Really it would be nice if there was six conferences based off geography with sixteen teams each. Do a conference championship game and six team playoff.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 09, 2020, 12:41:35 PM
Dale Jr. led a crew to work on the facility to map it for the e-racing event that "happened" there. I'm not sure what they did, or what repairs would be required to the racing facilities or the amenities (grandstands, etc.). I'm not even sure who owns it anymore, but I know they stressed during the broadcast that it's still private property and visitors aren't welcome.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNAyO19oIz0
Quote from: jakeroot on July 09, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on July 08, 2020, 10:28:39 PM
The wallup in Puyallup is cancelled this year
https://www.thefair.com/covid-19-statement/
The 'wallup' is the big car sales event that Puyallup used to have (may still have?). The fair being a separate thing. I suspect the wallup may still happen, given what happened to car sales overall.
What's a "wallup"? Is that PNW/Puget Sound slang?
ixnay
New Mexico is moving HS football season to start in February. It can be done there as NM isn't really a cold weather state. Any of the Northeast and Midwest states would struggle to pull off a spring football season as some areas see snow well into April
Quote from: ftballfan on July 10, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
New Mexico is moving HS football season to start in February. It can be done there as NM isn't really a cold weather state. Any of the Northeast and Midwest states would struggle to pull off a spring football season as some areas see snow well into April
Not cold weather you say? All my years working in southern New Mexico would beg to differ there. The weather in the major cities isn't as far different from a typical winter than one might expect. Snowy days are fairly common in all of New Mexico during the winter. Most of the Chihuahuan Desert lies over 4,000 feet above sea level.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 10, 2020, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on July 10, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
New Mexico is moving HS football season to start in February. It can be done there as NM isn't really a cold weather state. Any of the Northeast and Midwest states would struggle to pull off a spring football season as some areas see snow well into April
Not cold weather you say? All my years working in southern New Mexico would beg to differ there. The weather in the major cities isn't as far different from a typical winter than one might expect. Snowy days are fairly common in all of New Mexico during the winter. Most of the Chihuahuan Desert lies over 4,000 feet above sea level.
Temperatures in Carlsbad and Las Cruces in February are comparable to Northern Indiana in mid-October to mid-November. Shouldn't be a problem for football.
I've been snowed on in Carlsbad in March. The locals couldn't stop apologizing.
Quote from: kphoger on July 10, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
I've been snowed on in Carlsbad in March. The locals couldn't stop apologizing.
I had HS football games with 6+ inches of snow on the ground and games with < 20 degree temps at kickoff, but they weren't common.
Quote from: kphoger on July 10, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
I've been snowed on in Carlsbad in March. The locals couldn't stop apologizing.
I was snow bound once west of Las Cruces for a couple hours while on a work trip. While I wouldn't call New Mexico "cold" per se it definitely isn't the heat filled desert it is often portrayed to be. I found summer months to be downright comfortable weather wise, way more so than the Sonoran Desert to the west.
Quote from: ixnay on July 10, 2020, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 09, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on July 08, 2020, 10:28:39 PM
The wallup in Puyallup is cancelled this year
https://www.thefair.com/covid-19-statement/
The 'wallup' is the big car sales event that Puyallup used to have (may still have?). The fair being a separate thing. I suspect the wallup may still happen, given what happened to car sales overall.
What's a "wallup"? Is that PNW/Puget Sound slang?
I think it originated as a play on the city name, "Puyallup". It's just an annual car sales event that happens at the Puyallup Fair (Washington State Fair). When the fair is on, you "do the Puyallup". When it's the car sales even, you "do the wallup".
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 10, 2020, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 10, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
I've been snowed on in Carlsbad in March. The locals couldn't stop apologizing.
I had HS football games with 6+ inches of snow on the ground and games with < 20 degree temps at kickoff, but they weren't common.
In 2015, a big snowstorm hit Michigan on the Saturday of semifinal weekend. All but one game was played on schedule, even though some areas had a foot of snow on the ground. The remaining game (Coldwater vs. Chelsea) was played on Sunday afternoon, one of very few MHSAA postseason events to have ever been played on a Sunday
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29461256/kings-harrison-barnes-tests-positive-coronavirus-quarantine (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29461256/kings-harrison-barnes-tests-positive-coronavirus-quarantine)
https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-kings-player-tests-positive-covid-19/32963061 (https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-kings-player-tests-positive-covid-19/32963061)
The Sacramento Kings has 4 players who are tested positive for COVID-19,
F1 is officially canceling all scheduled races in the Americas this year, while adding three more European tracks to the schedule: the Nürburgring in Germany, the Algarve International Circuit (aka Portimao) in Portugal, and a third Italian race at Imola. Notably, the German and Imola races won't have their traditional titles (past Imola races were called the San Marino Grand Prix but this year will be called the Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix, while the Ring went by several names, using none of them this time, but rather the Eifel Grand Prix). Supposedly the rights to the name German Grand Prix are still held by the organizers of the previous efforts at Hockenheim, which ruled itself out for a race this year yesterday.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/portimao-nurburgring-imola-american-races/4842750
Well, many sports have started. Let's see if they can finish.
Quote from: bing101 on July 14, 2020, 09:01:32 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29461256/kings-harrison-barnes-tests-positive-coronavirus-quarantine (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29461256/kings-harrison-barnes-tests-positive-coronavirus-quarantine)
https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-kings-player-tests-positive-covid-19/32963061 (https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-kings-player-tests-positive-covid-19/32963061)
The Sacramento Kings has 4 players who are tested positive for COVID-19,
Apparently they weren't truly quarantining then.
Quote from: Takumi on July 24, 2020, 01:05:06 PMNotably, the German and Imola races won’t have their traditional titles (past Imola races were called the San Marino Grand Prix but this year will be called the Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix, while the Ring went by several names, using none of them this time, but rather the Eifel Grand Prix).
Way back in the pre-championship era, they used to hold the GP race at the Nurburgring called the
Eifelrennen, whereas Avus sometimes had the title of German Grand Prix or
Avusrennen. The "National" GPs (or the so-called
Grand Epreuves) were usually the big-money races with a better turnout.
I kind of like how all of these double races are kind of a nod to the pre-championship or non-championship races. Into the late-1970s, you might still have two races at Silverstone or Brands Hatch, and really any single-seater car could join in on non-championship races. A Pau GP was held in France for GP/F1-spec machinery until the 1960s. Enna-Pergusa, Vallelunga, or Monza hosted a non-champ race just so Ferrari could show off. There were several of these well into the 1960s, but as everything became a bit more professional and thus, expensive...Bernie Ecclestone's guidance shed a lot of these races, mostly relegating them to European F2 or F3 events. Some of the titles were ceremonially used for F3000 events, but they've also faded away as the years went on, where GP2 mostly races at the F1 tracks as support events.
Non-championship events were also "warm-up" events the year before a Grand Prix could be held, ostensibly to make sure that the organizers could maintain a safe race (or safe-enough given the dangers), properly following rules, track upkeep, and crowd control/access. This usually occurred when a "new" event or country was awarded a major Grand Prix (or after a long spell away); so Spain, Argentina, Brazil had to run non-championship events beforehand. Or it was applied as a method of track acclimatization; see Imola in 1979, since it was awarded the Italian GP for the following season, or Long Beach holding an F5000 event in 1975 prior to the F1 race...which was apparently good enough to make the FIA happy.
Now they just run the races first for F1 essentially for the first-ever-time and everything else can take a back seat. Maybe it's because of the massive entry prices just for getting Grade 1 Certification (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_racing_circuits_by_FIA_Grade), let alone planning and building the darn thing, so I suppose that's how they want it.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/)
the MLB is reporting that the Marlins vs. Orioles game is cancelled due to COVID-19 scare.
Quote from: bing101 on July 27, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/)
the MLB is reporting that the Marlins vs. Orioles game is cancelled due to COVID-19 scare.
Depending on how it got into the Marlins, the team should face some kind of punishment, such as possible forfeiture of games. If a player or coach did something stupid (such as go to a crowded bar maskless), they should be fined heavily and/or face a lengthy suspension
Quote from: ftballfan on July 27, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
If a player or coach did something stupid (such as go to a crowded bar maskless), they should be fined heavily and/or face a lengthy suspension
Can't imagine that such would be possible due to the terms of a player's contract or terms of the MLBPA's bargaining agreement. I remember reading in "Ball Four" that there were different levels of fines on the team for drinking at the hotel bar vs. drinking elsewhere when on a road trip. Given that players have demanded more and more since that book was written in the late 1960s, I can't imagine the MLBPA acquiescing to limitations on personal behavior.
Quote from: ftballfan on July 27, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 27, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/)
the MLB is reporting that the Marlins vs. Orioles game is cancelled due to COVID-19 scare.
Depending on how it got into the Marlins, the team should face some kind of punishment, such as possible forfeiture of games. If a player or coach did something stupid (such as go to a crowded bar maskless), they should be fined heavily and/or face a lengthy suspension
Only the individual who did something stupid should be punished, unless the team actively broke rules. I don't think they did. The disease is just that pervasive.
Quote from: Alps on July 28, 2020, 12:26:11 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on July 27, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 27, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/)
the MLB is reporting that the Marlins vs. Orioles game is cancelled due to COVID-19 scare.
Depending on how it got into the Marlins, the team should face some kind of punishment, such as possible forfeiture of games. If a player or coach did something stupid (such as go to a crowded bar maskless), they should be fined heavily and/or face a lengthy suspension
Only the individual who did something stupid should be punished, unless the team actively broke rules. I don't think they did. The disease is just that pervasive.
I think causing this type of chaos is punishment enough. Really, I don't get why games are being canceled and rescheduled. Just make the guilty team forfeit them if they don't want to play. Nobody should get special treatment. It's not a whole lot different than if half the team caught mono in the middle of the season, which has happened before.
Quote from: thspfc on July 28, 2020, 09:38:44 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 28, 2020, 12:26:11 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on July 27, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 27, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/)
the MLB is reporting that the Marlins vs. Orioles game is cancelled due to COVID-19 scare.
Depending on how it got into the Marlins, the team should face some kind of punishment, such as possible forfeiture of games. If a player or coach did something stupid (such as go to a crowded bar maskless), they should be fined heavily and/or face a lengthy suspension
Only the individual who did something stupid should be punished, unless the team actively broke rules. I don't think they did. The disease is just that pervasive.
I think causing this type of chaos is punishment enough. Really, I don't get why games are being canceled and rescheduled. Just make the guilty team forfeit them if they don't want to play. Nobody should get special treatment. It's not a whole lot different than if half the team caught mono in the middle of the season, which has happened before.
What happens when both teams have positive tests?
Quote from: thspfc on July 28, 2020, 09:38:44 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 28, 2020, 12:26:11 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on July 27, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: bing101 on July 27, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/marlins-orioles-game-canceled-due-to-covid-19-outbreak-resulting-in-at-least-14-cases-per-reports/)
the MLB is reporting that the Marlins vs. Orioles game is cancelled due to COVID-19 scare.
Depending on how it got into the Marlins, the team should face some kind of punishment, such as possible forfeiture of games. If a player or coach did something stupid (such as go to a crowded bar maskless), they should be fined heavily and/or face a lengthy suspension
Only the individual who did something stupid should be punished, unless the team actively broke rules. I don't think they did. The disease is just that pervasive.
I think causing this type of chaos is punishment enough. Really, I don't get why games are being canceled and rescheduled. Just make the guilty team forfeit them if they don't want to play. Nobody should get special treatment. It's not a whole lot different than if half the team caught mono in the middle of the season, which has happened before.
That would just encourage teams to continue playing even after they have the disease. We don't want that to happen.
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Minor league call ups?
The Nationals voted to not travel to Miami to play their series this weekend.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
The Nationals voted to not travel to Miami to play their series this weekend.
Doesn't matter now. MLB postponed all the Marlins' scheduled games through and including next Sunday's.
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.
Rick
Quote from: nexus73 on July 28, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.
Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 28, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.
Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.
NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.
Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.
Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 08:34:17 PM
This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.
The USTA has been running radio adverts in my area touting Tennis as a safe sport to play right now.
Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 08:34:17 PM
This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.
They were supposed to resume play with the tournament in DC, but it was cancelled. US Open still scheduled for September.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 28, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 28, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.
Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.
NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.
Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
Doesn't work competitively. The difference is that NHL and NBA had played enough of their seasons to jump into playoffs and thus keep the playoff divisions at each site. MLB hasn't had a season yet and needs some balance of competition.
Quote from: Alps on July 29, 2020, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 28, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 28, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.
Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.
NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.
Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
Doesn't work competitively. The difference is that NHL and NBA had played enough of their seasons to jump into playoffs and thus keep the playoff divisions at each site. MLB hasn't had a season yet and needs some balance of competition.
MLB is already restricting play to division games plus games against their mirror division in the other league. With pairs of stadiums in the three cities, they still could have done that.
Quote from: Alps on July 29, 2020, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 28, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 28, 2020, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on July 28, 2020, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
4 more Marlin players tested positive. Can they even field a team now?
Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.
Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.
NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.
Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
Doesn't work competitively. The difference is that NHL and NBA had played enough of their seasons to jump into playoffs and thus keep the playoff divisions at each site. MLB hasn't had a season yet and needs some balance of competition.
One of the original plans was to have teams stay at spring training sites and having a Arizona League and a Florida League. The players turned that idea down.
The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....
:angry:
Mike
In Wichita, the building of a new baseball stadium for the incoming Pacific Coast League team (renamed from the New Orleans Baby Cakes to the Wichita Wind Surge) was fraught with challenges and arguments. Construction was just barely squeaking in under the deadline, as they were scheduled to play their first game on April 8 of this year. Their inaugural season this year was initially postponed due to COVID, then later canceled altogether.
Now, in an unfortunate turn of events, the owner of the team, Lou Schwechheimer–who had spearheaded the building of a new stadium in Wichita–has died from COVID this past Wednesday, never having seen a single game played in the stadium, nor even his team's roster filled out.
Quote from: mgk920 on July 31, 2020, 12:58:41 PM
The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....
:angry:
Mike
What is MLB's problem? NBA is doing fine, MLS is doing fine, European soccer went fine, NASCAR is fine, PGA is fine. But baseball just can't figure it out.
Quote from: thspfc on July 31, 2020, 01:52:25 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 31, 2020, 12:58:41 PM
The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....
:angry:
Mike
What is MLB's problem? NBA is doing fine, MLS is doing fine, European soccer went fine, NASCAR is fine, PGA is fine. But baseball just can't figure it out.
I will place the majority of the blame on the Marlins last week, who went ahead, ignored every protocol put into place, and played an entire series with infected individuals. Without that, we would've had 3 possible games missed, not a week's worth by 2 different teams, and MLB probably would've been shown in a much brighter light across the nation.
This week, while 2 players were tested positive, at least they did the right thing, notified the proper personnel, and decided to postpone the game.
Quote from: thspfc on July 31, 2020, 01:52:25 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 31, 2020, 12:58:41 PM
The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....
:angry:
Mike
What is MLB's problem? NBA is doing fine, MLS is doing fine, European soccer went fine, NASCAR is fine, PGA is fine. But baseball just can't figure it out.
Pretty obvious. NBA and MLS are in bubbles, Euro soccer is in a place where they have managed the virus MUCH better (but they have had some outbreaks as well), and the PGA and NASCAR are more individual sports so any positives don't necessarily impact the events moving forward.
The NFL should take note.
Hulk is back in F1 after Sergio Perez tests positive.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hulkenberg-won-race-against-time-shock-f1-return/4847064/
The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
Quote from: hbelkins on July 31, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
It is about Control, the Conference schedules
SEC Protocols can be expected to be followed by SEC members. Big Ten Protocols can be expected to be followed by Big Ten members. ACC Protocols can be expected to be followed by ACC members, including temporary 1-year member Notre Dame. Pac-12 Protocols can be expected to be followed by Pac-12 members. Same with the Big 12, the AAC, etc etc
All the big conferences have big money deals with the big networks (Disney, FOX, NBC, etc) and the best plan and chance they have to give their TV partners the game inventory so the conferences get their money, is to be able to control the teams and the schedules, completely
I would be shocked if any of these major Conference schools have any Revenue Sport Players even required to go to Class, let alone anything outside of Team Controlled activities, to keep the individuals in a relative "bubble" while on Campus. I wouldn't be shocked if none of these schools even resume on-campus activities beyond Revenue Sports this Fall. Call it in the name of "safety"
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 01, 2020, 12:48:37 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 31, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
It is about Control, the Conference schedules
SEC Protocols can be expected to be followed by SEC members. Big Ten Protocols can be expected to be followed by Big Ten members. ACC Protocols can be expected to be followed by ACC members, including temporary 1-year member Notre Dame. Pac-12 Protocols can be expected to be followed by Pac-12 members. Same with the Big 12, the AAC, etc etc
All the big conferences have big money deals with the big networks (Disney, FOX, NBC, etc) and the best plan and chance they have to give their TV partners the game inventory so the conferences get their money, is to be able to control the teams and the schedules, completely
I would be shocked if any of these major Conference schools have any Revenue Sport Players even required to go to Class, let alone anything outside of Team Controlled activities, to keep the individuals in a relative "bubble" while on Campus. I wouldn't be shocked if none of these schools even resume on-campus activities beyond Revenue Sports this Fall. Call it in the name of "safety"
Exactly. And they are pushing back the season as far as possible to see if they are even going to be able to play. And that requires them to get out of the non conference games which are front-loaded at the beginning of the season.
Remember that these conference schedules are a best case scenario. There is a lot of doubt that they will be able to pull that off given what we have seen in the MLB.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 01, 2020, 08:15:44 AM
Exactly. And they are pushing back the season as far as possible to see if they are even going to be able to play. And that requires them to get out of the non conference games which are front-loaded at the beginning of the season.
Lots of in-state, out-of-conference rivalry games are the final game of the year. UK-UofL, SC-Clemson, UGA-Tech.
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 01, 2020, 12:48:37 AM
SEC Protocols can be expected to be followed by SEC members. Big Ten Protocols can be expected to be followed by Big Ten members. ACC Protocols can be expected to be followed by ACC members, including temporary 1-year member Notre Dame. Pac-12 Protocols can be expected to be followed by Pac-12 members. Same with the Big 12, the AAC, etc etc
But state protocols, as determined by governors or public health officers, would trump conference protocols. And if Kentucky's governor issues an executive order pertaining to interscholastic sports (high school or public universities, or even all athletic contests) the teams would have to do what the state requires. The SEC school (UK) and the "Atlantic Coast" school (Louisville) would both be under the same guidelines.
The rivalry games have lucrative TV audiences and huge gate receipts. It still makes more sense for UK to play Louisville, the Gamecocks to play the Tigers, or the Bulldogs to play the Ramblin' Wreck, than schedule in-conference opponents not part of the regular rotation from distant locations.
Cast aside gate receipt concerns this year. There will be limited fans, if any, at ANY game this fall, if games do happen at all
U of I and Mizzou gave up their "Saint Louis" Rivalry years ago, even before Mizzou went SEC (East???)
Inter-Conference games also introduces a completely different set of players being played, that have played different opponents all year. Playing Conference-only schedules helps control who and how many players in your League are exposed to
Take Notre Dame, for example (in a "normal" year): They play a national schedule, with opponents ranging from nearby Michigan and/or Michigan St, to as far away as USC and Stanford on the West Coast and now their Contractual obligations to about 4? 5? ACC opponents every year, and also games against Army and/or Navy.
In a "normal" year that is neat and cool. In a year where there is an infectious disease pandemic struggling to be controlled in spite of numerous efforts, going week-to-week to play teams from wherever that the week before and the week after will go in another direction and repeat...It is a recipe for disaster to not limit schedules. And the only way to realistically do that, is via Conference Scheduling. Even Notre Dame figured that out, and that is why they agreed to be an ACC Football Member for this year
It is not that an In-State or Regional Rivalry is more or less inherently dangerous than individual Conference games -- it is the increased exposure to a new team, that has played a completely different slate of games and interacted with many more teams and people. Conferences NOT allowing that are trying to control exposure to the players and staff as much as possible
Again, it is about Control
And speaking of Governors, in many of these states with Public Universities with large Conference Revenue Sports, the Head Football and/or Men's Basketball Coach(es) are often the Highest Paid Public Employee in the state. And those same Universities have push and influence in the varied State Houses and Governors' Mansions
I do not know Kentucky politics more than I happen to see when I watch WPSD-NBC 6 out of Paducah (which I don't do very often). I simply don't see a KY Governor saying "No" to UK or UofLou for Major College Football this fall or potentially Major College Basketball this winter, should it need be
As made more evident this year than most, Anything is Possible
Yeah there will be no gate receipts this year.
It's looking doubtful we will have college football at all.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 28, 2020, 08:40:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 28, 2020, 08:34:17 PM
This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.
They were supposed to resume play with the tournament in DC, but it was cancelled. US Open still scheduled for September.
So they are going to have US Open for golf and tennis at the same time? Will see if that confuses anyone
Here is one attempt at an explanation:
https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mark-story/article244634522.html#wgt=trending
Basically, teams can opt out of non-conference games without financial penalties if their conferences impose scheduling restrictions. This is probably done in case conferences want to add an in-conference game to the schedule at the expense of one of the "guarantee" games, but it's being put to use this year for other reasons.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 31, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
Utterly bonkers. Georgia apparently can't take a 1-hour bus ride to Atlanta, but they can go to Missouri or Arkansas or wherever. Meanwhile Tech will now instead have to bring in someone from God knows where (very likely Ground Zero, a.k.a. Orlando, since UCF was already on the schedule for this year).
I'd say it's all academic (no pun intended) because nobody's actually going to play this year, but I know college football well enough to know that they'll absolutely try to get something in no matter how ill-advised.
MLB is trying to resist the cancellation of the season (both the Marlins and the Cardinals are coming up with players testing positive) and the commish is not happy). The NFL is taking the same strategy but it is not going to work given the conditions MLB is suffering as will NCAA sanctioned events. We are clearly still in a pandemic that is not going away because no one is taking action in certain states (call it what you will), which mean it is quite likely that MLB and NFL will be called off and NCAA will have to call off all fall sports. (Disclaimer - I'm not an expert in battling pandemics in sports)
Quote from: hbelkins on July 31, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
It'$ almo$t a$ if they're thinking about $omething other than $afety...
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-08-02/pac-12-football-players-release-list-of-demands-to-avoid-boycott
In other news, a group of Pac 12 Football players are threatening a boycott of practice and games
Sounds like the demands involve health/safety regarding COVID including prohibitions on liability waivers to practice and play, maintaining the non-revenue sports, revenue sharing to players, and increased scholarship length up to 6 years
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 03, 2020, 12:08:38 AM
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The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
It'$ almo$t a$ if they're thinking about $omething other than $afety...
$imilar to the i$$ue$ that plague the NFL and MLB and their effort$ to re$ume or $tart.
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 03, 2020, 06:51:53 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 03, 2020, 12:08:38 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 31, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.
It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?
It'$ almo$t a$ if they're thinking about $omething other than $afety...
$imilar to the i$$ue$ that plague the NFL and MLB and their effort$ to re$ume or $tart.
$eriou$ly $hocking.
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-season-facing-long-odds-you-can-feel-the-tidal-wave-coming-163008561.html
As problems mount, college football's outlook appears grim: 'You can feel the tidal wave coming'
"It's too early to declare the 2020 football season over. But the path to cancellation appears more obvious than the path to any type of functional and recognizable season. The beginning of the end is upon us, getting closer as the drumbeat of the news cycle grows louder and louder."
Meanwhile, the Sun Belt conference is still planning to have 12-game schedules with non-conference games: https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/report-one-group-of-five-conference-trudging-forward-with-12-game-football-schedule/
Edit: And so is the AAC: https://twitter.com/tCFBCountry/status/1291018730693173249
On the flip side, the MAC has thrown in the towel on fall football. They may try spring but that's not a guarantee.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mac/2020/08/08/mac-cancels-football-season-first-fbs-conference-financial-covid-19/3326228001/
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 08, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
On the flip side, the MAC has thrown in the towel on fall football. They may try spring but that's not a guarantee.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mac/2020/08/08/mac-cancels-football-season-first-fbs-conference-financial-covid-19/3326228001/
It won't be news until a power conference decides to call it quits.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 08, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
On the flip side, the MAC has thrown in the towel on fall football. They may try spring but that's not a guarantee.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mac/2020/08/08/mac-cancels-football-season-first-fbs-conference-financial-covid-19/3326228001/
It won't be news until a power conference decides to call it quits.
Not happening since they depend on football for their livelihood.
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
It won't be news until a power conference decides to call it quits.
Not happening since they depend on football for their livelihood.
It will happen, when the attorneys for these schools and states note that the programs and schools and states (for public universities) cannot afford the potential liabilities
I highly doubt the Power 5 schools end up playing footbal this fall, but I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
It won't be news until a power conference decides to call it quits.
Not happening since they depend on football for their livelihood.
It will happen, when the attorneys for these schools and states note that the programs and schools and states (for public universities) cannot afford the potential liabilities
I highly doubt the Power 5 schools end up playing footbal this fall, but I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again
I would argue the liabilities in terms of cost are heavily outweighed by the costs of not having sports at all. Wasn't the University of Wisconsin projecting a loss of over $100,000,000 dollars if they didn't play football at all? With that much money on the line it's hard to envision that there is enough force of will to shut down things completely as long as the Power Five conferences want to have a season.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
It won't be news until a power conference decides to call it quits.
Not happening since they depend on football for their livelihood.
It will happen, when the attorneys for these schools and states note that the programs and schools and states (for public universities) cannot afford the potential liabilities
I highly doubt the Power 5 schools end up playing footbal this fall, but I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again
I would argue the liabilities in terms of cost are heavily outweighed by the costs of not having sports at all. Wasn't the University of Wisconsin projecting a loss of over $100,000,000 dollars if they didn't play football at all? With that much money on the line it's hard to envision that there is enough force of will to shut down things completely as long as the Power Five conferences want to have a season.
Do you really want Wrongful Death or even Negligence complaints filed by Players? Especially in the present enviornment, of potentially evolving into the Players actually able to be Compensated and abandoning this whole "Student-"Athlete farce?
Attorneys would have a field day, getting on-the-record that the Revenue Sports Players are needed to fund the Universities, but those same Athletes don't deserve any more compensation than Tuition+Room/Board AND that those Players do not even own their own Likeness and Talents! And they are needed to fund the Universities, even at the cost of their own health and potentially greater Public Health, during a pandemic? They must be pretty valuable, then...
Those are the kinds of lawsuits that break the whole thing. I don't think any P5 school wants to answer those kinds of question, Under Oath, because it will cost A LOT more than missing one season of TV revenue
I don't think the P5 plays this fall
Apparently, some P5 ADs are also figuring out that football cannot be played this fall: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/power-five-ads-inevitable-2020-college-football-season-will-not-be-played-this-fall/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 09, 2020, 01:48:22 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on August 08, 2020, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 08, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
It won't be news until a power conference decides to call it quits.
Not happening since they depend on football for their livelihood.
It will happen, when the attorneys for these schools and states note that the programs and schools and states (for public universities) cannot afford the potential liabilities
I highly doubt the Power 5 schools end up playing footbal this fall, but I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again
I would argue the liabilities in terms of cost are heavily outweighed by the costs of not having sports at all. Wasn't the University of Wisconsin projecting a loss of over $100,000,000 dollars if they didn't play football at all? With that much money on the line it's hard to envision that there is enough force of will to shut down things completely as long as the Power Five conferences want to have a season.
Do you really want Wrongful Death or even Negligence complaints filed by Players? Especially in the present enviornment, of potentially evolving into the Players actually able to be Compensated and abandoning this whole "Student-"Athlete farce?
Attorneys would have a field day, getting on-the-record that the Revenue Sports Players are needed to fund the Universities, but those same Athletes don't deserve any more compensation than Tuition+Room/Board AND that those Players do not even own their own Likeness and Talents! And they are needed to fund the Universities, even at the cost of their own health and potentially greater Public Health, during a pandemic? They must be pretty valuable, then...
Those are the kinds of lawsuits that break the whole thing. I don't think any P5 school wants to answer those kinds of question, Under Oath, because it will cost A LOT more than missing one season of TV revenue
I don't think the P5 plays this fall
Apparently, some P5 ADs are also figuring out that football cannot be played this fall: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/power-five-ads-inevitable-2020-college-football-season-will-not-be-played-this-fall/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e
I guess the litmus test is do schools think the impact of a potential fatality/s outweighs the potential financial risk of not playing? The MAC seemingly has given their answer whereas the Power 5 conferences at present moment are leaning the other way. Really there is a good scenario either way for college ball. The whole system faces financial ruin if the big schools don't play but if they don't there is the possibility for potential liability. I tend to think the big conferences will end up playing at the end of the day given how much more stands to be lost. That's largely why I don't think that there is any chance the MLB or NFL will ultimately cancel their seasons, the risk of how much they stand to lose financially is too much not to move forward.
What liabilities? Hasn't the NCAA already said that any player that doesn't want to participate out of fear of getting sick won't lose his his or her scholarship? Why would there be any more liability for getting sick from a virus as opposed to suffering a catastrophic injury on the field? I'm guessing any terms of participating in team sports would require a strict waiver of liability on the part of the school.
The biggest reason the MAC is canceling is probably because of the lack of guaranteed revenue they'll lose as big conferences go to in-conference only schedules. There's no way they can play a spring football season if they don't have SEC or B1G teams available to play to bring in revenue.
Big Ten just cancelled their football season. Watch for everyone else to follow suit in the next few days
https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season
Dan Patrick reporting that the Big Ten and PAC-12 will announce tomorrow.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 10, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season (https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season)
Dan Patrick reporting that the Big Ten and PAC-12 will announce tomorrow.
And I expect that the ACC and SEC will announce sometime this week. Wednesday?
Quote from: hbelkins on August 10, 2020, 02:00:54 PM
What liabilities? Hasn't the NCAA already said that any player that doesn't want to participate out of fear of getting sick won't lose his his or her scholarship? Why would there be any more liability for getting sick from a virus as opposed to suffering a catastrophic injury on the field? I'm guessing any terms of participating in team sports would require a strict waiver of liability on the part of the school.
The biggest reason the MAC is canceling is probably because of the lack of guaranteed revenue they'll lose as big conferences go to in-conference only schedules. There's no way they can play a spring football season if they don't have SEC or B1G teams available to play to bring in revenue.
Strict liability waivers aren't absolute. Depending on the state, they normally exempt reckless or willful conduct. So if a player catches COVID and dies, or faces long-term medical problems, they could claim the school's conduct was reckless.
The risks and precautions around football and football-related injuries are more well known. In the case of a pandemic, what is, and what isn't considered reckless is not really settled. But it wouldn't look good if all D2, D3 and half of D1 cancel, and some player on one of the remaining D1 schools catches it and has issues.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on August 10, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season (https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season)
Dan Patrick reporting that the Big Ten and PAC-12 will announce tomorrow.
And I expect that the ACC and SEC will announce sometime this week. Wednesday?
The intent was for all the major conferences to announce on the same day.
Quote from: Alps on August 10, 2020, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 10, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 10, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season (https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season)
Dan Patrick reporting that the Big Ten and PAC-12 will announce tomorrow.
And I expect that the ACC and SEC will announce sometime this week. Wednesday?
The intent was for all the major conferences to announce on the same day.
Your guess is as good as mine. I concur.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 10, 2020, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 10, 2020, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 10, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 10, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season (https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season)
Dan Patrick reporting that the Big Ten and PAC-12 will announce tomorrow.
And I expect that the ACC and SEC will announce sometime this week. Wednesday?
The intent was for all the major conferences to announce on the same day.
Your guess is as good as mine. I concur.
B1G and PAC will be first, with the other three to soon follow.
Quote from: thspfc on August 10, 2020, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 10, 2020, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 10, 2020, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on August 10, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 10, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season (https://wsbt.com/sports/content/report-big-ten-votes-to-cancel-football-season)
Dan Patrick reporting that the Big Ten and PAC-12 will announce tomorrow.
And I expect that the ACC and SEC will announce sometime this week. Wednesday?
The intent was for all the major conferences to announce on the same day.
Your guess is as good as mine. I concur.
B1G and PAC will be first, with the other three to soon follow.
Or the other three will fall for the SEC's trick.
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Or the other three will fall for the SEC's trick.
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I don't know what "trick" to which you refer, but Satan (you know, the coach at Alabama -- oh wait, he spells it "Saban") is offering major pushback to any suggestion to cancel the season. And Satan rules SEC football.
Heard an interesting take yesterday that the SEC had offered several schools in other conferences -- Nebraska and North Carolina are the two I recall offhand -- a one-year membership in the SEC so they could play football this season if they wanted.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
I don't know what "trick" to which you refer, but Satan (you know, the coach at Alabama -- oh wait, he spells it "Saban") is offering major pushback to any suggestion to cancel the season. And Satan rules SEC football.
Heard an interesting take yesterday that the SEC had offered several schools in other conferences -- Nebraska and North Carolina are the two I recall offhand -- a one-year membership in the SEC so they could play football this season if they wanted.
The Big Ten owns their media rights, and I be there are 100 other reasons why that can't happen.
It's official, no Fall sports for the Big Ten. PAC-12 almost certain to follow suit. There are still 3 power five conferences planning to play and they might be able to hold it together but if one more cancels that will be the tipping point.
And I agree, there are too many obstacles to Nebraska or anybody else switching conferences for just this year. ND had a unique situation in that they already had a relationship with the ACC.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2020, 03:39:49 PM
It's official, no Fall sports for the Big Ten. PAC-12 almost certain to follow suit. There are still 3 power five conferences planning to play and they might be able to hold it together but if one more cancels that will be the tipping point.
And I agree, there are too many obstacles to Nebraska or anybody else switching conferences for just this year. ND had a unique situation in that they already had a relationship with the ACC.
There can't possibly be fall championships with so many teams out.
Nebraska switching conferences would be funny, especially considering they haven't been in the B1G for very long compared to most of the others.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
Heard an interesting take yesterday that the SEC had offered several schools in other conferences -- Nebraska and North Carolina are the two I recall offhand -- a one-year membership in the SEC so they could play football this season if they wanted.
The Big Ten owns their media rights, and I be there are 100 other reasons why that can't happen.
Also, as Paul Finebaum noted on his TV show this afternoon, Nebraska isn't that competitive even in the Big Ten, and would become a "piñata" if it tried to play in the stronger SEC.
Of course, the SEC might be looking for cupcakes, to exploit the situation.
Nebraska needs the B10 much more than the B10 needs Nebraska. If they want to leave because of one delayed, or cancelled football season, that would be a pretty dumb decision.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Nebraska needs the B10 much more than the B10 needs Nebraska. If they want to leave because of one delayed, or cancelled football season, that would be a pretty dumb decision.
Without knowing the financial penalty to leave the Big Ten, the only conference that *might* get similar TV money would be the SEC
I don't see Nebraska leaving the B1G anytime soon
Now if there is Contract Language about what can be done if the B1G doesn't hold a season, that could get interesting. But that is merely speculation. I'm sure the Conferences and Schools know exactly the language of their Conference Membership Agreements
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Nebraska needs the B10 much more than the B10 needs Nebraska. If they want to leave because of one delayed, or cancelled football season, that would be a pretty dumb decision.
Nebraska chose money over competitiveness when they moved to the Big Ten. They make far more money than if they'd stayed in the Big 12, but losing those rivalries with Oklahoma and Texas killed any chance they had at getting back to being a national power. Their ceiling is now that of Iowa and Minnesota--can put together a 2-3 year stretch at being a Top 15 team and West Division champs but never going to regularly compete with Ohio State and Michigan.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2020, 05:16:18 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Nebraska needs the B10 much more than the B10 needs Nebraska. If they want to leave because of one delayed, or cancelled football season, that would be a pretty dumb decision.
Nebraska chose money over competitiveness when they moved to the Big Ten. They make far more money than if they'd stayed in the Big 12, but losing those rivalries with Oklahoma and Texas killed any chance they had at getting back to being a national power. Their ceiling is now that of Iowa and Minnesota--can put together a 2-3 year stretch at being a Top 15 team and West Division champs but never going to regularly compete with Ohio State and Michigan.
They have never really had a rivalry with Texas. And the rivalry with Oklahoma was harmed substantially when they were placed in different divisions when the B12 was formed.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 11, 2020, 05:16:18 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 05:08:06 PM
Nebraska needs the B10 much more than the B10 needs Nebraska. If they want to leave because of one delayed, or cancelled football season, that would be a pretty dumb decision.
Nebraska chose money over competitiveness when they moved to the Big Ten. They make far more money than if they'd stayed in the Big 12, but losing those rivalries with Oklahoma and Texas killed any chance they had at getting back to being a national power. Their ceiling is now that of Iowa and Minnesota--can put together a 2-3 year stretch at being a Top 15 team and West Division champs but never going to regularly compete with Ohio State and Michigan.
They have never really had a rivalry with Texas. And the rivalry with Oklahoma was harmed substantially when they were placed in different divisions when the B12 was formed.
The B1G is a much better conference overall. In any given year you might have three ranked teams in the Big XII and five or six in the B1G.
For any chance of the B1G or PAC-12 to play a spring football season, the number of new cases would have to drop dramatically in the next three to four months. I also feel that the outcome of November's presidential election may affect a potential winter/spring season.
Here is how I could see a potential winter/spring football season going:
- Team activities continue through the fall, similar to what would normally happen during spring ball
- Practice would begin on January 4 (the first Monday of 2021)
- Games would begin on January 30
- Teams would play their "conference only" opponents in the same order as proposed for fall
- The season would take place over 12 weeks, with the final regular season games being played on April 17
- No bowl games, but there would be conference title games on either April 24 or May 1
- All other sports would have shortened conference-only regular seasons, with fall sports beginning competition in early to mid January, winter sports beginning competition in late February/early March (with the NCAA Tournament happening in May), and spring sports beginning competition in late March/early April
Quote from: oscar on August 11, 2020, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
Heard an interesting take yesterday that the SEC had offered several schools in other conferences -- Nebraska and North Carolina are the two I recall offhand -- a one-year membership in the SEC so they could play football this season if they wanted.
The Big Ten owns their media rights, and I be there are 100 other reasons why that can't happen.
Also, as Paul Finebaum noted on his TV show this afternoon, Nebraska isn't that competitive even in the Big Ten, and would become a "piñata" if it tried to play in the stronger SEC.
Of course, the SEC might be looking for cupcakes, to exploit the situation.
That's cute. The SEC is not stronger than other conferences, it's just got a couple of top teams and a lot of ESPN fanboys.
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Quote from: oscar on August 11, 2020, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 11, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 11, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
Heard an interesting take yesterday that the SEC had offered several schools in other conferences -- Nebraska and North Carolina are the two I recall offhand -- a one-year membership in the SEC so they could play football this season if they wanted.
The Big Ten owns their media rights, and I be there are 100 other reasons why that can't happen.
Also, as Paul Finebaum noted on his TV show this afternoon, Nebraska isn't that competitive even in the Big Ten, and would become a "piñata" if it tried to play in the stronger SEC.
Of course, the SEC might be looking for cupcakes, to exploit the situation.
That's cute. The SEC is not stronger than other conferences, it's just got a couple of top teams and a lot of ESPN fanboys.
The SEC as a whole is an expert at scheduling. Never play road non-conference games and almost never play teams that have a chance at beating you. Notre Dame has enough allure to occasionally get true home and home series out of SEC teams, but aside from that there is zero chance that an SEC team that's not a bottom-feeder will come to your home field.
I'm surprised the SEC didn't fight to keep Indianapolis out of the championship game rotation. That's awfully close to a road game for them.
Quote from: ftballfan on August 11, 2020, 07:01:20 PM
For any chance of the B1G or PAC-12 to play a spring football season, the number of new cases would have to drop dramatically in the next three to four months. I also feel that the outcome of November's presidential election may affect a potential winter/spring season.
Here is how I could see a potential winter/spring football season going:
- Team activities continue through the fall, similar to what would normally happen during spring ball
- Practice would begin on January 4 (the first Monday of 2021)
- Games would begin on January 30
- Teams would play their "conference only" opponents in the same order as proposed for fall
- The season would take place over 12 weeks, with the final regular season games being played on April 17
- No bowl games, but there would be conference title games on either April 24 or May 1
- All other sports would have shortened conference-only regular seasons, with fall sports beginning competition in early to mid January, winter sports beginning competition in late February/early March (with the NCAA Tournament happening in May), and spring sports beginning competition in late March/early April
I bet if the Big Ten and Pac-12 both play a Spring schedule, they will schedule a Rose Bowl and other B1G-Pac 12 Bowl Games between them. They might even play a Rose Bowl with no fans, just for the TV Money
If the other 3 P5 Conferences follow suit, I could see a rescheduled 2021 CFP also after a Spring season
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
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Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
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Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
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One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2020, 11:11:33 PM
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Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
But it fairness there was nothing that could have indicated Rich Rodriguez would have been such a failure or Jim Harbaugh would often be badly out coached by his counterparts in the Big Ten. Rich Rodriguez built up West Virginia to one of the best programs in the country and Jim Harbaugh wasn't too far removed from dragging the 49ers into a Super Bowl contender. To that end it's easy to see why the Michigan Athletic Department made those hires, most schools would have in the same position.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2020, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 13, 2020, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
You're actually telling me that a coach's worth should be placed entirely on one game out of 13 per season? And that one game is against a school that is almost always one of the top five in the country? Stop acting like an idiot, please. This kind of stupidity is why Michigan fans are viewed the way they are.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2020, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 14, 2020, 08:37:10 AM
Quote from: Alps on August 14, 2020, 12:21:57 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2020, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 13, 2020, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
But it fairness there was nothing that could have indicated Rich Rodriguez would have been such a failure or Jim Harbaugh would often be badly out coached by his counterparts in the Big Ten. Rich Rodriguez built up West Virginia to one of the best programs in the country and Jim Harbaugh wasn’t too far removed from dragging the 49ers into a Super Bowl contender. To that end it’s easy to see why the Michigan Athletic Department made those hires, most schools would have in the same position.
Harbaugh has not even been outcoached by very many B1G coaches. Since he arrived he has a better record among coaches who have lasted since 2015 in the B1G than everyone except Chryst at Wisconsin, and even that's close and can be attributed to Michigan's yearly schedule usually being tougher than Wisconsin's. If Michigan and Wisconsin swapped places, with UW in the East playing Ohio State every year, and Michigan in the West playing poopoo on a stick most years, Michigan would have made the title game at least three or four times, and we'd be talking about them as the second best team in the B1G, the same way we talk about Georgia as the second best team in the SEC.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2020, 08:44:48 AM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2020, 11:11:33 PM
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Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
But it fairness there was nothing that could have indicated Rich Rodriguez would have been such a failure or Jim Harbaugh would often be badly out coached by his counterparts in the Big Ten. Rich Rodriguez built up West Virginia to one of the best programs in the country and Jim Harbaugh wasn't too far removed from dragging the 49ers into a Super Bowl contender. To that end it's easy to see why the Michigan Athletic Department made those hires, most schools would have in the same position.
RichRod was a bad fit at Michigan. The style he played was never going to work there, especially considering the pro-style offense that Michigan had been running for years. Furthermore not being a "Michigan Man" meant that the fanbase was never going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Brian Kelly should have been the choice there, and he was one of the names being thrown around at the time. Michigan native, won at Grand Valley and Central Michigan, understood the local recruiting grounds, etc. Although he had his issue at Notre Dame, he is undoubtedly the most successful coach there since Holtz.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2020, 08:44:48 AM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2020, 11:11:33 PM
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Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
But it fairness there was nothing that could have indicated Rich Rodriguez would have been such a failure or Jim Harbaugh would often be badly out coached by his counterparts in the Big Ten. Rich Rodriguez built up West Virginia to one of the best programs in the country and Jim Harbaugh wasn't too far removed from dragging the 49ers into a Super Bowl contender. To that end it's easy to see why the Michigan Athletic Department made those hires, most schools would have in the same position.
RichRod was a bad fit at Michigan. The style he played was never going to work there, especially considering the pro-style offense that Michigan had been running for years. Furthermore not being a "Michigan Man" meant that the fanbase was never going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Brian Kelly should have been the choice there, and he was one of the names being thrown around at the time. Michigan native, won at Grand Valley and Central Michigan, understood the local recruiting grounds, etc. Although he had his issue at Notre Dame, he is undoubtedly the most successful coach there since Holtz.
Interestingly I remember a lot of the fan base was really willing to give the Spread Option Style of offense a try after Lloyd Carr retired. When it turned out to be a disaster the first year of Rich Rodriguez's tenure that attitude turned around fast. I was actually surprised Rich Rodriguez lasted three years given the back lash that occurred after that 3-9 season. The irony would be that Brady Hoke inherited all those guys Rich Rodriguez recruited and went 11-2 in 2011 with them. Brady Hoke ultimately didn't turn out to be the answer either as the team kept getting worse every year.
To your point I think you're right in retrospect that Brian Kelly would have been a good fit. But I don't think at the end of the day that he would have been much better than Jim Harbaugh has been either. What really ultimately surprises me that the Big Ten largely is still oriented towards Pro Style offenses and I wonder sometimes if the aversion to the spread option has a lot to do with what happened to Rich Rodriguez.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 14, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
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Quote from: Alps on August 12, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
But it fairness there was nothing that could have indicated Rich Rodriguez would have been such a failure or Jim Harbaugh would often be badly out coached by his counterparts in the Big Ten. Rich Rodriguez built up West Virginia to one of the best programs in the country and Jim Harbaugh wasn't too far removed from dragging the 49ers into a Super Bowl contender. To that end it's easy to see why the Michigan Athletic Department made those hires, most schools would have in the same position.
RichRod was a bad fit at Michigan. The style he played was never going to work there, especially considering the pro-style offense that Michigan had been running for years. Furthermore not being a "Michigan Man" meant that the fanbase was never going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Brian Kelly should have been the choice there, and he was one of the names being thrown around at the time. Michigan native, won at Grand Valley and Central Michigan, understood the local recruiting grounds, etc. Although he had his issue at Notre Dame, he is undoubtedly the most successful coach there since Holtz.
Interestingly I remember a lot of the fan base was really willing to give the Spread Option Style of offense a try after Lloyd Carr retired. When it turned out to be a disaster the first year of Rich Rodriguez's tenure that attitude turned around fast. I was actually surprised Rich Rodriguez lasted three years given the back lash that occurred after that 3-9 season. The irony would be that Brady Hoke inherited all those guys Rich Rodriguez recruited and went 11-2 in 2011 with them. Brady Hoke ultimately didn't turn out to be the answer either as the team kept getting worse every year.
To your point I think you're right in retrospect that Brian Kelly would have been a good fit. But I don't think at the end of the day that he would have been much better than Jim Harbaugh has been either. What really ultimately surprises me that the Big Ten largely is still oriented towards Pro Style offenses and I wonder sometimes if the aversion to the spread option has a lot to do with what happened to Rich Rodriguez.
I think you are 100% right about Kelly ultimately not being better than Harbaugh.
But I think the B10 top schools don't run spread option because it's just not run here at the high school levels. Take Wisconsin. The high schools around here run traditional running game type offenses with beefy linemen. Because that's what the local coaches know. Those linemen largely grow up wanting to go to Madison, as do the DL, linebackers, etc. And occasionally they can recruit the local running back, receiver and defensive backfield guys, but often have to go south for them. That's why when UW has tried more of a spread look, it just doesn't work. Barry Alvarez knew this. His longtime assistant Paul Chryst (who dad was a legendary high school and D3 coach) knows this as well.
Michigan, Iowa, Penn State are by and large the same.
The schools that run it either recruit more nationally (Ohio State) or do it more as a change up (Minnesota, Purdue)
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Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
This is a recipe for cycling through coaches and descending into mediocrity.
But it fairness there was nothing that could have indicated Rich Rodriguez would have been such a failure or Jim Harbaugh would often be badly out coached by his counterparts in the Big Ten. Rich Rodriguez built up West Virginia to one of the best programs in the country and Jim Harbaugh wasn't too far removed from dragging the 49ers into a Super Bowl contender. To that end it's easy to see why the Michigan Athletic Department made those hires, most schools would have in the same position.
RichRod was a bad fit at Michigan. The style he played was never going to work there, especially considering the pro-style offense that Michigan had been running for years. Furthermore not being a "Michigan Man" meant that the fanbase was never going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Brian Kelly should have been the choice there, and he was one of the names being thrown around at the time. Michigan native, won at Grand Valley and Central Michigan, understood the local recruiting grounds, etc. Although he had his issue at Notre Dame, he is undoubtedly the most successful coach there since Holtz.
Interestingly I remember a lot of the fan base was really willing to give the Spread Option Style of offense a try after Lloyd Carr retired. When it turned out to be a disaster the first year of Rich Rodriguez's tenure that attitude turned around fast. I was actually surprised Rich Rodriguez lasted three years given the back lash that occurred after that 3-9 season. The irony would be that Brady Hoke inherited all those guys Rich Rodriguez recruited and went 11-2 in 2011 with them. Brady Hoke ultimately didn't turn out to be the answer either as the team kept getting worse every year.
To your point I think you're right in retrospect that Brian Kelly would have been a good fit. But I don't think at the end of the day that he would have been much better than Jim Harbaugh has been either. What really ultimately surprises me that the Big Ten largely is still oriented towards Pro Style offenses and I wonder sometimes if the aversion to the spread option has a lot to do with what happened to Rich Rodriguez.
I think you are 100% right about Kelly ultimately not being better than Harbaugh.
But I think the B10 top schools don't run spread option because it's just not run here at the high school levels. Take Wisconsin. The high schools around here run traditional running game type offenses with beefy linemen. Because that's what the local coaches know. Those linemen largely grow up wanting to go to Madison, as do the DL, linebackers, etc. And occasionally they can recruit the local running back, receiver and defensive backfield guys, but often have to go south for them. That's why when UW has tried more of a spread look, it just doesn't work. Barry Alvarez knew this. His longtime assistant Paul Chryst (who dad was a legendary high school and D3 coach) knows this as well.
Michigan, Iowa, Penn State are by and large the same.
The schools that run it either recruit more nationally (Ohio State) or do it more as a change up (Minnesota, Purdue)
I recall the same thing growing up in Michigan. Some of the prep schools would run early iterations of what would become spread option but usually they were cherry picking the best recruits out of the Detroit Area Schools. Interestingly in regards to UofM they usually have had a strong out of state recruiting presence. Most coaches have opted to recruit for more traditionally pro style offensive players. Denard Robinson was the notable exception where a spread option quarterback was recruited out of Florida.
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Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
You're actually telling me that a coach's worth should be placed entirely on one game out of 13 per season? And that one game is against a school that is almost always one of the top five in the country? Stop acting like an idiot, please. This kind of stupidity is why Michigan fans are viewed the way they are.
Stop reading like an idiot, please. Failure to win big games and reach the championship with promising teams is the issue. Ohio is just one symptom of the overall problem. This kind of stupidity is why Ohio fans are viewed the way they are. (or insert your fandom here)
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One positive aspect of the B1G canceling its fall season is that Ohio State won't be whining about either not making the championship playoffs, or whining about having to play Alabama or Clemson. :bigass:
And we won't hear Michigan fans complaining about losing to Ohio State.
Until they fire Harbaugh, I will complain.
Remember when that team was hot garbage, like they couldn't even get to a bowl, then they hired a new coach and finished the season ranked four out of five years? Me neither. But if that ever did happen I would expect the coach to be fired instantly, as turning the program around 180 degrees for the better is a fireable offense.
I still remember a lot of hard core Michigan die hards kept calling for Llyod Carr to be fired over things like 9-3 seasons. That seems absurd in retrospect given he won a National Championship and maintained one of the better programs in the country for years (and kept beating Ohio State on top of it).
See, that's it. He turned the program around but loses to Ohio every year and never gets into championship contention as a result. No matter how good a coach is at Michigan, if you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
You're actually telling me that a coach's worth should be placed entirely on one game out of 13 per season? And that one game is against a school that is almost always one of the top five in the country? Stop acting like an idiot, please. This kind of stupidity is why Michigan fans are viewed the way they are.
Stop reading like an idiot, please. Failure to win big games and reach the championship with promising teams is the issue. Ohio is just one symptom of the overall problem. This kind of stupidity is why Ohio fans are viewed the way they are. (or insert your fandom here)
Read your own comment again.
Quoteif you can't beat Ohio, you don't belong.
Stop moving the goalposts on me and backtracking on your argument. You explicitly said that if a coach can't win against Ohio State, then nothing else matters and he should be fired. And regardless, it's not as if Harbuagh's record in big games is horrible. He's got more top 25 wins than any other current B1G coach except Ferentz at Iowa, who has been coaching since the dinosaurs roamed. So he's won plenty of big games at Michigan.
Also, it's sort of ironic for you to assume that I, a person who is supporting and defending the Michigan coach, is an Ohio State fan just because I disagree with you. Shows how irrationaly angry and hateful towards OSU Michigan fans are (if you are one, which I believe you are based on your comments in this thread). For the record I'm a Badger all the way. l_l\/\/
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
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...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
Reading these comments about Harbaugh/tOSU puts me in mind of Bill Curry. Wildly successful at Alabama, but basically got chased off because he had trouble beating Auburn. Kentucky hiring him looked like the steal of the century, but unfortunately that didn't work out too well for the Big Blue. Which was more representative of the issues Kentucky football will always face and the advantages Alabama football has regardless of who's coaching there.
As for tOSU: I don't hate them like so many do, especially some of my friends in northern Kentucky. They detest tOSU because they hear so much about them from Cincinnati media and Buckeye fans on the other side of the river.
Kinda like why I dislike Alabama so much. So many "front-runner" fans who only cheer for them, often in place of their home-state SEC schools, because they win.
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The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
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...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
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...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Saying Michigan is in the same category as Northwestern and Bowling Green is like saying Mars is the same distance from Earth as Pluto.
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
Quote
...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Saying Michigan is in the same category as Northwestern and Bowling Green is like saying Mars is the same distance from Earth as Pluto.
Neither Mars nor Pluto are playing for championships. Does it really matter how far away they are?
But if they were playing in a championship, Mars would win because Pluto was disqualified.
Back on track, HS football in Michigan will be moved to the spring.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
Quote
...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Saying Michigan is in the same category as Northwestern and Bowling Green is like saying Mars is the same distance from Earth as Pluto.
Neither Mars nor Pluto are playing for championships. Does it really matter how far away they are?
Of course it does. This is silly.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
Quote
...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Saying Michigan is in the same category as Northwestern and Bowling Green is like saying Mars is the same distance from Earth as Pluto.
Neither Mars nor Pluto are playing for championships. Does it really matter how far away they are?
I bet you're the guy who coaches 7-year-old flag football and starts screaming at the players for no reason and breaks down into tears after the 7-year-olds lose, because since they didn't win the championship, the season was a waste according to you and your ridiculous, outdated logic.
But anyways, you really mean to tell me that Michigan's 2019 season, in which they went 9-4 and finished ranked top 20 in the nation, was no more successful than Bowling Green's, who went 3-9 and lost 7 games by 39+ points?
Quote from: thspfc on August 15, 2020, 08:33:15 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
Quote
...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Saying Michigan is in the same category as Northwestern and Bowling Green is like saying Mars is the same distance from Earth as Pluto.
Neither Mars nor Pluto are playing for championships. Does it really matter how far away they are?
I bet you're the guy who coaches 7-year-old flag football and starts screaming at the players for no reason and breaks down into tears after the 7-year-olds lose, because since they didn't win the championship, the season was a waste according to you and your ridiculous, outdated logic.
But anyways, you really mean to tell me that Michigan's 2019 season, in which they went 9-4 and finished ranked top 20 in the nation, was no more successful than Bowling Green's, who went 3-9 and lost 7 games by 39+ points?
7 year olds are playing to learn football, not to win championships.
Was Michigan's 2019 season better than Bowling Green's? Yes. Does it matter in the scope of the entire last 20 seasons? No.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 15, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 15, 2020, 08:33:15 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 14, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 14, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
The other side of the tOSU/Michigan Rivalry, but ask former Buckeye coach John Cooper how well winning most games each year and winning/sharing Big Ten Titles, while stilll losing to Michigan, worked out. Pretty sure it cost him the job.
From his Wikipedia article:
Quote
...(H)e quickly turned the Buckeyes around and led them to shared Big Ten titles in 1993, 1996, and 1998. In his 13 seasons at Ohio State, Cooper compiled a 111—43—4 record; his 111 victories are second in Ohio State history behind only Woody Hayes's 205. Among his most memorable victories at Ohio State were back-to-back victories against Notre Dame (1995 and 1996), leading Ohio State to its first Rose Bowl in 13 years (the 1997 Rose Bowl–a win over Arizona State), and a 1999 Sugar Bowl victory over Texas A&M...
...However, Cooper has also been remembered for his 3—8 bowl record and his 2—10—1 record against archrival Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(American_football)?wprov=sfti1
Beating your #1 Rival is important in NCAA Div I-A/Div I FBS Football
In this century, the only teams in the region that have been to a BCS Championshp Game/College Football Playoff are Ohio State and Notre Dame. Michigan is grouped with the rest of the also-rans like Northwestern and Bowling Green.
Saying Michigan is in the same category as Northwestern and Bowling Green is like saying Mars is the same distance from Earth as Pluto.
Neither Mars nor Pluto are playing for championships. Does it really matter how far away they are?
I bet you're the guy who coaches 7-year-old flag football and starts screaming at the players for no reason and breaks down into tears after the 7-year-olds lose, because since they didn't win the championship, the season was a waste according to you and your ridiculous, outdated logic.
But anyways, you really mean to tell me that Michigan's 2019 season, in which they went 9-4 and finished ranked top 20 in the nation, was no more successful than Bowling Green's, who went 3-9 and lost 7 games by 39+ points?
7 year olds are playing to learn football, not to win championships.
Was Michigan's 2019 season better than Bowling Green's? Yes. Does it matter in the scope of the entire last 20 seasons? No.
Of course it does. Silly nonsense.
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
They did, Nebraska specifically.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
I'm a strong fan of cancelling sports for one whole damn season. Everyone suffers the same. They'll be drafted and paid.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
Conversely, if I'm some guy who's borderline for the NFL draft then I would probably would be willing to play to boost my chances of getting an NFL contract. That potential windfall certainly would make me (and I would imagine a lot of other people) willing to take some risks with my health 2-3 decades down the line. I'm not saying that's a stance an educational institution should take, but I can underrated the frustration of some athlete who might have their chances negatively altered for a professional career. It also raises a serious question in my mind why it's okay for the NCAA Power Conference schools to run their football and basketball programs like the developmental leagues for the NFL and NBA.
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
I'm a strong fan of cancelling sports for one whole damn season. Everyone suffers the same. They'll be drafted and paid.
98% of them will not be drafted or paid.
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
Not even close to borderline criminal. Hyperbolic nonsense. All players on scholarship. All players get free education.
And they simply moved the season to Spring anyway.
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
I'm a strong fan of cancelling sports for one whole damn season. Everyone suffers the same. They'll be drafted and paid.
98% of them will not be drafted or paid.
And that doesn't depend on playing a season or not.
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
I'm a strong fan of cancelling sports for one whole damn season. Everyone suffers the same. They'll be drafted and paid.
98% of them will not be drafted or paid.
And that doesn't depend on playing a season or not.
Right. You said "they'll be drafted and paid". I said that was incorrect for 98% of players. The point is, for that 98%, they're playing because they love the game, not because they are hoping for a pro contract. That's mainly what the uproar is about, because the 2% who will play professionaly have less to lose by not having a season.
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 21, 2020, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 21, 2020, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 21, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 21, 2020, 02:44:23 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they're not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they're a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It's childish, it's nonsensical, and frankly it's borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
I'm a strong fan of cancelling sports for one whole damn season. Everyone suffers the same. They'll be drafted and paid.
98% of them will not be drafted or paid.
And that doesn't depend on playing a season or not.
Right. You said "they'll be drafted and paid". I said that was incorrect for 98% of players. The point is, for that 98%, they're playing because they love the game, not because they are hoping for a pro contract. That's mainly what the uproar is about, because the 2% who will play professionaly have less to lose by not having a season.
I think one's long-term health is a lot worse to lose if you're NOT planning on professional sports as a career, than one season of whatever sport you're playing for fun.
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Speaking of Michigan, I read a story yesterday that Ohio State and a number of other B1G schools want to get around the cancellation of the conference schedule by creating a six-team conference to play a limited schedule in the fall. Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, and tOSU were four of the six. They wanted Michigan to be part of the coalition, but Michigan said no.
Didn't the B1G threaten to kick out any school that played football this fall?
I don't think there's a lot of truth to this.
This whole thing with the B1G is totally asinine to me. The players and coaches have loudly and clearly voiced their desire to play. Sure, they’re not doctors, but neither are the people who made the choice to cancel the season. And now the conference is threatening to kick out anyone who plays like they’re a group of 12 year olds playing pickup basketball at a park. It’s childish, it’s nonsensical, and frankly it’s borderline criminal. These athletes have been working their behinds off their whole lives, only for 25% of their time at the highest level they will ever be (for most) to be wiped out.
There are fairly new studies that indicate that young people who get COVID and are mostly or entirely asymptomatic still experience significant heart damage. For an athlete who is (hopefullly) heading to the NFL and pushing himself to ridiculous physical limits, that's a recipe for a major heart attack before age 40.
Doctors didn't directly make the choice to cancel the season, but their input was clearly heavily considered.
We know now that COVID directly kills a very small percentage of people who are for the most part elderly. What we won't know for 20+ years is how permanent the damage is for the very large percentage of people who don't die.
I'm a strong fan of cancelling sports for one whole damn season. Everyone suffers the same. They'll be drafted and paid.
98% of them will not be drafted or paid.
And that doesn't depend on playing a season or not.
Right. You said "they'll be drafted and paid". I said that was incorrect for 98% of players. The point is, for that 98%, they're playing because they love the game, not because they are hoping for a pro contract. That's mainly what the uproar is about, because the 2% who will play professionaly have less to lose by not having a season.
I think one's long-term health is a lot worse to lose if you're NOT planning on professional sports as a career, than one season of whatever sport you're playing for fun.
I can guaruntee you their long-term health is much more likely to be compromised by football itself than by COVID.
How do you guys feel about high school sports?
Around here, there's a big uproar in Wichita because, when it was decided at the last minute to have the upper grades go online-only for a while, the football season was canceled as well. In the nearby town of Derby, in-person classes are resuming and so is football.
Personally, I don't care much about sports, and most of me wishes the school system didn't have sports teams at all. So my knee-jerk reaction is "So what? School isn't about sports anyway." When people mention the possibility of lost college scholarships, my knee-jerk reaction is "Oh well. College is about academics anyway." However, I realize mine is probably the minority opinion on the matter. What are your opinions about canceling high school sports seasons–whether in-person classes have been suspended or not?
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How do you guys feel about high school sports?
Around here, there's a big uproar in Wichita because, when it was decided at the last minute to have the upper grades go online-only for a while, the football season was canceled as well. In the nearby town of Derby, in-person classes are resuming and so is football.
Personally, I don't care much about sports, and most of me wishes the school system didn't have sports teams at all. So my knee-jerk reaction is "So what? School isn't about sports anyway." When people mention the possibility of lost college scholarships, my knee-jerk reaction is "Oh well. College is about academics anyway." However, I realize mine is probably the minority opinion on the matter. What are your opinions about canceling high school sports seasons–whether in-person classes have been suspended or not?
I can easily envision both the NCAA/NAIA and the high schools dropping sports entirely and North America going to the overseas private sports club model.
Mike
Quote from: kphoger on August 25, 2020, 01:44:56 PM
How do you guys feel about high school sports?
Around here, there's a big uproar in Wichita because, when it was decided at the last minute to have the upper grades go online-only for a while, the football season was canceled as well. In the nearby town of Derby, in-person classes are resuming and so is football.
Personally, I don't care much about sports, and most of me wishes the school system didn't have sports teams at all. So my knee-jerk reaction is "So what? School isn't about sports anyway." When people mention the possibility of lost college scholarships, my knee-jerk reaction is "Oh well. College is about academics anyway." However, I realize mine is probably the minority opinion on the matter. What are your opinions about canceling high school sports seasons–whether in-person classes have been suspended or not?
I won't criticize any state for delaying/canceling the season due to safety. However, I think tying sports to school is important as I've seen plenty of kids be motivated to perform better in school in order to participate in sports.
Going to a private club model eliminates that, and also makes it harder for poor kids to participate in sports.
High school sports are fine. Two of my three kids participated and enjoyed their experience. The third didn't participate and didn't feel he missed out on anything.
But they are clearly an "add on" to the school experience and not that important overall.
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Personally, I don't care much about sports ...
That's what I used to say, but it gets harder every year to live in Western NY and simply
not care about the Buffalo Bills...
I've never been a very coordinated person, and always disliked gym in school, so I'm not particularly interested in the athletes and their accomplishments, but I do feel it's important to have general awareness of what's going in the sports world. Same goes for politics, music, and just about every other aspect of society. I have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge and just really can't stand the thought of being considered ignorant or clued out.
I've found knowledge comes naturally in some areas (anything history, geography, or roads-related) and takes a conscious effort to build in others (sports, music, etc.). With that said, I do listen to two sports podcasts regularly: Around the NFL (hilarious... has helped keep me sane through this pandemic) and Hot Takedown from FiveThirtyEight (perfect combination of nerdiness and macro coverage; highly recommend for anyone looking to build general sports awareness and stay loosely "in the loop" about sports).
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How do you guys feel about high school sports?
Around here, there's a big uproar in Wichita because, when it was decided at the last minute to have the upper grades go online-only for a while, the football season was canceled as well. In the nearby town of Derby, in-person classes are resuming and so is football.
Personally, I don't care much about sports, and most of me wishes the school system didn't have sports teams at all. So my knee-jerk reaction is "So what? School isn't about sports anyway." When people mention the possibility of lost college scholarships, my knee-jerk reaction is "Oh well. College is about academics anyway." However, I realize mine is probably the minority opinion on the matter. What are your opinions about canceling high school sports seasons–whether in-person classes have been suspended or not?
I won't criticize any state for delaying/canceling the season due to safety. However, I think tying sports to school is important as I've seen plenty of kids be motivated to perform better in school in order to participate in sports.
Going to a private club model eliminates that, and also makes it harder for poor kids to participate in sports.
High school sports are an integral part of the high school experience in most places. Many people's best childhood memories come from high school sports.
Some would say that's part of the problem.
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
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... the high school experience ... childhood memories ...
I totally get that. I'm just saying that, in my opinion, decisions about school should not revolve around the "experience". They should revolve around children's education. And actually, I feel the same way about basing re-opening decisions on other tangential issues like nutrition, childcare, etc.
Over the years we've made school out to be some giant, state-controlled, multifaceted nanny system upon which we stake the development of our children's social skills, health habits, social responsibility, and even extra-curricular endeavors. Maybe it's time to re-evaluate what the school system is really for–and what it isn't.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
When you think of it, there are 4 things that babies and young toddlers start doing as soon as they're able to do so:
Learning.
Eating.
Exercise.
Throwing things around.
Schools and Sports are commonly tied together. While school's primary mission should be about learning, the sports aspect is important as well. It's a great form of exercise also.
When someone isn't into sports, or isn't good at sports, the other competitive items mentioned are a good option to keep involved with others, even if they're not strongly looked at on the same level as sports.
One item not mentioned are school plays and musicals. While you'll never find me on stage in front of the audience, I did take part in stage crew. There aren't going to be any scholarships handed out for that (or very few), but it was still a fun, memorable experience.
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While school's primary mission should be about learning, the sports aspect is important as well.
And I'm not against P.E. class.
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How do you guys feel about high school sports?
Around here, there's a big uproar in Wichita because, when it was decided at the last minute to have the upper grades go online-only for a while, the football season was canceled as well. In the nearby town of Derby, in-person classes are resuming and so is football.
Personally, I don't care much about sports, and most of me wishes the school system didn't have sports teams at all. So my knee-jerk reaction is "So what? School isn't about sports anyway." When people mention the possibility of lost college scholarships, my knee-jerk reaction is "Oh well. College is about academics anyway." However, I realize mine is probably the minority opinion on the matter. What are your opinions about canceling high school sports seasons–whether in-person classes have been suspended or not?
I won't criticize any state for delaying/canceling the season due to safety. However, I think tying sports to school is important as I've seen plenty of kids be motivated to perform better in school in order to participate in sports.
Going to a private club model eliminates that, and also makes it harder for poor kids to participate in sports.
High school sports are an integral part of the high school experience in most places. Many people's best childhood memories come from high school sports.
Some would say that's part of the problem.
What problem? Do you expect people's best childhood memories to be sitting in a class, learining about the mitochondria of the cell?
High school sports are important for people who peaked in high school.
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Quote from: 1 on August 26, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
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High school sports are important for people who peaked in high school.
Not even sure what this is supposed to mean. Care to elaborate?
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Quote from: 1 on August 26, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
What problem? Do you expect people's best childhood memories to be sitting in a class, learining about the mitochondria of the cell?
Yes.
Well, if they're science nerds, then probably discoveries under the microscope or chemistry experiments or something. If they're math nerds, then memories related to math. If English lit fans, then acting out a Shakespeare play. If music nuts, then a concert or other performance. And so on. Personally, my favorite childhood school memories were of academic bowls.
And, if none of those, then perhaps the friendships developed during class or a favorite teacher or something else tangentially related.
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Quote from: 1 on August 26, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked me in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
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Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
What problem? Do you expect people's best childhood memories to be sitting in a class, learining about the mitochondria of the cell?
Yes.
Well, if they're science nerds, then probably discoveries under the microscope or chemistry experiments or something. If they're math nerds, then memories related to math. If English lit fans, then acting out a Shakespeare play. If music nuts, then a concert or other performance. And so on. Personally, my favorite childhood school memories were of academic bowls.
And, if none of those, then perhaps the friendships developed during class or a favorite teacher or something else tangentially related.
And if they're athletes or sports fans? Being an athlete and being a good student is also not mutally exclusive. Overall it sounds like you just don't understand, and haven't made an attempt to either.
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Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 26, 2020, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 26, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
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Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
What problem? Do you expect people's best childhood memories to be sitting in a class, learining about the mitochondria of the cell?
Yes.
Well, if they're science nerds, then probably discoveries under the microscope or chemistry experiments or something. If they're math nerds, then memories related to math. If English lit fans, then acting out a Shakespeare play. If music nuts, then a concert or other performance. And so on. Personally, my favorite childhood school memories were of academic bowls.
And, if none of those, then perhaps the friendships developed during class or a favorite teacher or something else tangentially related.
I had a 4.2 GPA in HS, finished 3rd in my class, and went on to get two degrees in math from Top 50 universities. My favorite memories from high school are all of sporting events. Sports allowed me to bond with kids outside of the dozen or so who were in all my honors classes.
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Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 26, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
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Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 26, 2020, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 26, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
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Quote from: kphoger on August 26, 2020, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
What problem? Do you expect people's best childhood memories to be sitting in a class, learining about the mitochondria of the cell?
Yes.
Well, if they're science nerds, then probably discoveries under the microscope or chemistry experiments or something. If they're math nerds, then memories related to math. If English lit fans, then acting out a Shakespeare play. If music nuts, then a concert or other performance. And so on. Personally, my favorite childhood school memories were of academic bowls.
And, if none of those, then perhaps the friendships developed during class or a favorite teacher or something else tangentially related.
And if they're athletes or sports fans? Being an athlete and being a good student is also not mutally exclusive. Overall it sounds like you just don't understand, and haven't made an attempt to either.
If they're only athletes or sports fans, then their best childhood memories probably aren't going to be from school. But that's not a problem. It's not our responsibility to ensure that every child's best memories are from school. If your kid is an athlete or a sports fan, then get them doing sports outside of school. (And if they're a music whiz, then get them doing music outside of school. I did, and some of my best memories are from music camps, music tours, doing music in church, non-school music competitions, etc.)
Of course being an athlete and being a good student aren't mutually exclusive. As mentioned, it's perfectly possible to be engaged in both. But that's doesn't mean they have to go together.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 26, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
I had a 4.2 GPA in HS, finished 3rd in my class, and went on to get two degrees in math from Top 50 universities. My favorite memories from high school are all of sporting events. Sports allowed me to bond with kids outside of the dozen or so who were in all my honors classes.
I don't doubt it. But doing sports outside of school would have allowed you to bond with others, in much the same way. Again, I'm not saying team sports are bad. I'm just saying school isn't about that, and it's not about bonding, creating memories, or whatever else either. School is about learning subjects.
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Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 12:40:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 26, 2020, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
What problem? Do you expect people's best childhood memories to be sitting in a class, learining about the mitochondria of the cell?
Yes.
Well, if they're science nerds, then probably discoveries under the microscope or chemistry experiments or something. If they're math nerds, then memories related to math. If English lit fans, then acting out a Shakespeare play. If music nuts, then a concert or other performance. And so on. Personally, my favorite childhood school memories were of academic bowls.
And, if none of those, then perhaps the friendships developed during class or a favorite teacher or something else tangentially related.
And if they're athletes or sports fans? Being an athlete and being a good student is also not mutally exclusive. Overall it sounds like you just don't understand, and haven't made an attempt to either.
If they're only athletes or sports fans, then their best childhood memories probably aren't going to be from school. But that's not a problem. It's not our responsibility to ensure that every child's best memories are from school. If your kid is an athlete or a sports fan, then get them doing sports outside of school. (And if they're a music whiz, then get them doing music outside of school. I did, and some of my best memories are from music camps, music tours, doing music in church, non-school music competitions, etc.)
Of course being an athlete and being a good student aren't mutually exclusive. As mentioned, it's perfectly possible to be engaged in both. But that's doesn't mean they have to go together.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 26, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
I had a 4.2 GPA in HS, finished 3rd in my class, and went on to get two degrees in math from Top 50 universities. My favorite memories from high school are all of sporting events. Sports allowed me to bond with kids outside of the dozen or so who were in all my honors classes.
I don't doubt it. But doing sports outside of school would have allowed you to bond with others, in much the same way. Again, I'm not saying team sports are bad. I'm just saying school isn't about that, and it's not about bonding, creating memories, or whatever else either. School is about learning subjects.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Sports do take a big bite out of schools' budgets. On the other hand, club sports are fun and highly competitive, no doubt, but they're also not very accesible (currently) for low-income families. If we can fix that problem, there's a real argument for the end of school-sponsored sports.
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Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 26, 2020, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 26, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
This from the dude who's so fragile that your initial response to me about high school sports was "But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye."
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 01:07:03 PM
On the other hand, club sports are fun and highly competitive, no doubt, but they're also not very accesible (currently) for low-income families. If we can fix that problem, there's a real argument for the end of school-sponsored sports.
Again, though, the purpose of school isn't to close income gaps.
This all started when I asked about schools (1) re-opening classes but (2) not re-opening team sports. To me, it seems like common sense that academics should come first and that not having organized sports this year is just removing an "extra" from a student's time at school.
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Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 01:07:03 PM
On the other hand, club sports are fun and highly competitive, no doubt, but they're also not very accesible (currently) for low-income families. If we can fix that problem, there's a real argument for the end of school-sponsored sports.
Again, though, the purpose of school isn't to close income gaps.
This all started when I asked about schools (1) re-opening classes but (2) not re-opening team sports. To me, it seems like common sense that academics should come first and that not having organized sports this year is just removing an "extra" from a student's time at school.
You're exactly right. Sports are an extracurricular activity. Academics come first. The part I don't get is why people (not you, others in this thread) act like sports aren't important at all and should be done away with.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
This from the dude who's so fragile that your initial response to me about high school sports was "But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye."
I mean, what else am I supposed to say? If you're not interested in sports, then why would you even come to this thread? I'm not upset with you for not being interested in sports, and I wasn't upset with you for saying that "3di" exclusively refers to Interstates, because those things are your opinions. You're allowed to have them without others whining or calling you an "idiot" . But I do have an issue when you start telling me that I'm an "idiot" because my opinion differs from yours. You're also calling me "fragile" , yet you're the one who stumbles into the sports board, says sports are overrated, and then acts surprised when people disagree.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
This from the dude who's so fragile that your initial response to me about high school sports was "But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye."
I mean, what else am I supposed to say? If you're not interested in sports, then why would you even come to this thread? I'm not upset with you for not being interested in sports, and I wasn't upset with you for saying that "3di" exclusively refers to Interstates, because those things are your opinions. You're allowed to have them without others whining or calling you an "idiot" . But I do have an issue when you start telling me that I'm an "idiot" because my opinion differs from yours. You're also calling me "fragile" , yet you're the one who stumbles into the sports board, says sports are overrated, and then acts surprised when people disagree.
Maybe you should spend less time on sports and more time on reading comprehension. Where did I say that I am not interested in sports?
I said "High school sports are fine... But they are clearly an "add on" to the school experience and not that important overall."
So if you don't want to be called an idiot, learn to read and represent one's point correctly. Very simple.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
This from the dude who's so fragile that your initial response to me about high school sports was "But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye."
I mean, what else am I supposed to say? If you're not interested in sports, then why would you even come to this thread? I'm not upset with you for not being interested in sports, and I wasn't upset with you for saying that "3di" exclusively refers to Interstates, because those things are your opinions. You're allowed to have them without others whining or calling you an "idiot" . But I do have an issue when you start telling me that I'm an "idiot" because my opinion differs from yours. You're also calling me "fragile" , yet you're the one who stumbles into the sports board, says sports are overrated, and then acts surprised when people disagree.
Maybe you should spend less time on sports and more time on reading comprehension. Where did I say that I am not interested in sports?
I said "High school sports are fine... But they are clearly an "add on" to the school experience and not that important overall."
So if you don't want to be called an idiot, learn to read and represent one's point correctly. Very simple.
Ah yes, now we're venturing into ad hominem arguments regarding my intelligence.
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
The role sports play in society is on-topic for the sports board. Forum members are not allowed to exclude or gatekeep other members from threads or boards.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
This from the dude who's so fragile that your initial response to me about high school sports was "But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye."
I mean, what else am I supposed to say? If you're not interested in sports, then why would you even come to this thread? I'm not upset with you for not being interested in sports, and I wasn't upset with you for saying that "3di" exclusively refers to Interstates, because those things are your opinions. You're allowed to have them without others whining or calling you an "idiot" . But I do have an issue when you start telling me that I'm an "idiot" because my opinion differs from yours. You're also calling me "fragile" , yet you're the one who stumbles into the sports board, says sports are overrated, and then acts surprised when people disagree.
Maybe you should spend less time on sports and more time on reading comprehension. Where did I say that I am not interested in sports?
I said "High school sports are fine... But they are clearly an "add on" to the school experience and not that important overall."
So if you don't want to be called an idiot, learn to read and represent one's point correctly. Very simple.
Ah yes, now we're venturing into ad hominem arguments regarding my intelligence.
Nope. Again, you aren't reading correctly.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
I lost my respect for your opinion after this incident (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24616.msg2413657#msg2413657), when you attacked other people in this thread over what "3di" means and doesn't mean. So who needs to "mature up a little"?
Well, you were wrong then and you're wrong now. At least you're consistent.
Well, you were acting immature then and you're acting immature now. At least you're consistent.
(For real, imagine trying to justify an unwarranted personal attack by saying "you were wrong on this complete matter of opinion")
This from the dude who's so fragile that your initial response to me about high school sports was "But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye."
I mean, what else am I supposed to say? If you're not interested in sports, then why would you even come to this thread? I'm not upset with you for not being interested in sports, and I wasn't upset with you for saying that "3di" exclusively refers to Interstates, because those things are your opinions. You're allowed to have them without others whining or calling you an "idiot" . But I do have an issue when you start telling me that I'm an "idiot" because my opinion differs from yours. You're also calling me "fragile" , yet you're the one who stumbles into the sports board, says sports are overrated, and then acts surprised when people disagree.
Maybe you should spend less time on sports and more time on reading comprehension. Where did I say that I am not interested in sports?
I said "High school sports are fine... But they are clearly an "add on" to the school experience and not that important overall."
So if you don't want to be called an idiot, learn to read and represent one's point correctly. Very simple.
Ah yes, now we're venturing into ad hominem arguments regarding my intelligence.
Nope. Again, you aren't reading correctly.
Shoot. Since my reading comprehension is so bad, would you mind pointing out to me exactly where I'm slipping up?
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
The role sports play in society is on-topic for the sports board. Forum members are not allowed to exclude or gatekeep other members from threads or boards.
So can I go into, say, the Mass Transit board and say that mass transit is overrated and not important?
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
The role sports play in society is on-topic for the sports board. Forum members are not allowed to exclude or gatekeep other members from threads or boards.
So can I go into, say, the Mass Transit board and say that mass transit is overrated and not important?
Sure, go right ahead. But don't expect people to take it as anything other than trolling unless you come with arguments to support your opinion.
You should note, though, that the people on the other side of the argument from you here aren't saying "sports are bad and nobody should play them" but rather "maybe public school institutions shouldn't be responsible for sports". So it would be more more like if you went into Mass Transit and said "Maybe state DOTs shouldn't be the ones to fund mass transit." And I would expect that to actually be an interesting topic of discussion.
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Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 11:59:54 AM
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
The role sports play in society is on-topic for the sports board. Forum members are not allowed to exclude or gatekeep other members from threads or boards.
So can I go into, say, the Mass Transit board and say that mass transit is overrated and not important?
Sure, go right ahead. But don't expect people to take it as anything other than trolling unless you come with arguments to support your opinion.
You should note, though, that the people on the other side of the argument from you here aren't saying "sports are bad and nobody should play them" but rather "maybe public school institutions shouldn't be responsible for sports". So it would be more more like if you went into Mass Transit and said "Maybe state DOTs shouldn't be the ones to fund mass transit." And I would expect that to actually be an interesting topic of discussion.
I see what you mean. For the record, I definitely am not planning on trolling the mass transit board. :-D
Anyway, my two cents on the topic of school-sponsored sports: holy crap, I agree with kphoger on something. :-D I went to an extremely sports-focused high school, to the point that as you roll into town on the state highway there's city-posted signage–on a state highway!–touting the 1996 state football championship, and five state championships for the cheerleaders.* During the softball playoffs you could literally buy your way out of going to class by buying tickets to go to the game. (Usually enough students would do this that "class" that day consisted of watching movies in the home ec classroom, but still.) Teachers would fudge important sports' players grades to keep them eligible. The school spent most of its budget on the football stadium and equipment.
I feel like it would be better if instead of this huge system we have now, where every school has a football team and you play against a bunch of other schools across the state to see who is the "state champion", you had the city parks department run a league where anyone of the appropriate age can sign up and gets randomly assigned to a team. Then play for a league championship. For rural areas, maybe do it on the county level, so there's still some travel involved but it's not an expensive boondoggle.
Colleges have no business being involved in sports at all. If you're good enough to play for a college team, you should be good enough to play in a minor league. There's so much money being thrown around in college sports that it's ludicrous, and the players don't receive any of that.
That being said, PE is absolutely a necessity in schools, but the PE curriculum at my school was absolutely worthless. I remember a lot of running for no stated goal, playing dodgeball, that thing with the giant parachute that didn't really accomplish much other than being fun. If we're going to include PE, it should be focused on things like how to build an effective workout routine, explanation of the different muscle groups and what they are used for, how to lift weights safely (no joke, one time in middle school they turned us loose in the football weight room with no demonstration of how to use anything or what a safe amount to attempt lifting was; it's a wonder nobody dropped a bar on their head trying a bench press), and, above all, nutrition; I had to learn myself in adulthood what the difference between carbs, fats, and protein was. That sort of thing alone would increase this nation's health substantially.
Other, non-sports activities should probably stay the school's responsibility, because a lot of them tie into education in one way or another. I naturally learned a ton of stuff I wouldn't have otherwise on the school academic team (quiz bowl). Band/orchestra should probably stay the school's responsibility too; it's hard to really learn music theory without knowing how to play an instrument. Drama/theater ties into English/literature education (I imagine you get a much better understanding of Shakespeare by re-enacting it instead of just reading it out of a book).
*At the time I was going there, the 1996 football champs sign–all-caps Series C on reflective sheeting in the school colors–was posted on the same posts as the town name sign. It was apparently later moved to a location further off the right-of-way. This sort of sign isn't entirely unusual in Oklahoma, but it's definitely more of a small-town thing. Norman's welcome signs don't say anything about Norman or Norman North championships, but rather the town motto of "We are building an inclusive community".
^ agreed with Scott5114. PE was "pretty good" at our school; a mix of different sports and some running. But strength training, stretching, nutrition, etc. was absent, except for a "ski conditioning" course in the fall. IMO that's similar to personal finance, critical thinking, and a lot of other practical skills that don't get covered but should.
Since this is about sports affected by the coronavirus, I'll say this about high school sports:
-Fall sports are on! This includes Football, Cross Country, Volleyball, and Boy's Swimming.
-It only took a week for the volleyball team to get sent in to a three week quarantine :no:
- I'm in cross country. The team is some 30-40 people, so it is somewhat difficult to social distance while in the building. Masks are required by city law, though they obviously aren't worn wile running. During practices, we have to group up with people with similar abilities and stick with them for the season. That way, only a small part of the team has to quarantine if someone gets COVID. Unfortunately, social distancing is poorly enforced and intermingling between groups is common. Also, I've been held at gunpoint at school for several days in a row :bigass: .. an inaccurate temperature gun. My first meet is in two weeks, and for all I know, it could lead to disaster. Not only do you have to breathe recycled bus air, but you are competing with athletes from across the state, passing each other up in narrow courses. In fact, one meet, hosted by U of Arkansas, has schools from all over the country (Side note: event directions still say to take I-540, six years later.) but high schools outside of NWA are barred from the competition this year.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
I went to an extremely sports-focused high school, to the point that as you roll into town on the state highway there's city-posted signage–on a state highway!–touting the 1996 state football championship, and five state championships for the cheerleaders.
Mine is the exact opposite. Our varsity football hasn't won a game in five years, and they only scored two touchdowns at home games last year, despite football receiving 70% of my school's athletic budget. My school is the nerdy school, being good at quiz/math bowls and debate. You can find signs relating to a town's sporting achievements under city limit signs throughout the Ozarks. example (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9389702,-93.2319961,3a,15.1y,37.6h,91.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDo9MQvjV9xt2xpNdngAGSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
That being said, PE is absolutely a necessity in schools, but the PE curriculum at my school was absolutely worthless. I remember a lot of running for no stated goal, playing dodgeball, that thing with the giant parachute that didn't really accomplish much other than being fun.
That just about sums up my elementary and middle school PE classes as well. Now there is online PE, which is basically "do whatever can get you heart rate above 115 BPM, we're going to make sure you do it via a Garmin watch". Plus some online assignments basically teaching you what a healthy lifestyle should be.
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Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
Anyway, my two cents on the topic of school-sponsored sports: holy crap, I agree with kphoger on something. :-D I went to an extremely sports-focused high school, to the point that as you roll into town on the state highway there's city-posted signage–on a state highway!–touting the 1996 state football championship, and five state championships for the cheerleaders.* During the softball playoffs you could literally buy your way out of going to class by buying tickets to go to the game. (Usually enough students would do this that "class" that day consisted of watching movies in the home ec classroom, but still.) Teachers would fudge important sports' players grades to keep them eligible. The school spent most of its budget on the football stadium and equipment.
I feel like it would be better if instead of this huge system we have now, where every school has a football team and you play against a bunch of other schools across the state to see who is the "state champion", you had the city parks department run a league where anyone of the appropriate age can sign up and gets randomly assigned to a team. Then play for a league championship. For rural areas, maybe do it on the county level, so there's still some travel involved but it's not an expensive boondoggle.
Colleges have no business being involved in sports at all. If you're good enough to play for a college team, you should be good enough to play in a minor league. There's so much money being thrown around in college sports that it's ludicrous, and the players don't receive any of that.
That being said, PE is absolutely a necessity in schools, but the PE curriculum at my school was absolutely worthless. I remember a lot of running for no stated goal, playing dodgeball, that thing with the giant parachute that didn't really accomplish much other than being fun. If we're going to include PE, it should be focused on things like how to build an effective workout routine, explanation of the different muscle groups and what they are used for, how to lift weights safely (no joke, one time in middle school they turned us loose in the football weight room with no demonstration of how to use anything or what a safe amount to attempt lifting was; it's a wonder nobody dropped a bar on their head trying a bench press), and, above all, nutrition; I had to learn myself in adulthood what the difference between carbs, fats, and protein was. That sort of thing alone would increase this nation's health substantially.
Other, non-sports activities should probably stay the school's responsibility, because a lot of them tie into education in one way or another. I naturally learned a ton of stuff I wouldn't have otherwise on the school academic team (quiz bowl). Band/orchestra should probably stay the school's responsibility too; it's hard to really learn music theory without knowing how to play an instrument. Drama/theater ties into English/literature education (I imagine you get a much better understanding of Shakespeare by re-enacting it instead of just reading it out of a book).
*At the time I was going there, the 1996 football champs sign–all-caps Series C on reflective sheeting in the school colors–was posted on the same posts as the town name sign. It was apparently later moved to a location further off the right-of-way. This sort of sign isn't entirely unusual in Oklahoma, but it's definitely more of a small-town thing. Norman's welcome signs don't say anything about Norman or Norman North championships, but rather the town motto of "We are building an inclusive community".
Most collegiate athletes recieve a free education. And if I was a college athlete, I wouldn't really care about extra money. The experience would make up for it.
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When I was in high school, I always thought that Lexington was the best school in Massachusetts. This was because of
- Science Fair (individual competition, but you can see how many are from each school in the regionals, which I made it into one year)
- Senior Districts and All-State (choral and instrumental music; the competition is in the audition, not the performance)
- High School Quiz Show (the year I did it, 14 public schools qualified, and mine wasn't one of them)
- Math Olympiad (100 individuals qualified, and I was one of them, but in Round 1, twenty advanced and I did not).
None of these have anything to do with sports.
This 100%. I completely understand why kids find sports important. But there are a lot of things that are just as important that do the same job of team building and problem solving while also being plenty competitive.
I understand that some people just don't get the importance of sports (and some don't even try either). But if that's your position, then don't come into the sports board. Thanks. Bye.
Obviously you failed at reading and probably need to mature up a little.
I was a high school sports letter winner. Two of my three kids were too. It was an important part of their high school experience, but I doubt they would say it was the most important or most memorable part. It certainly wasn't mine.
And I most certainly don't have anything against high school sports. It just is over-emphasized in my opinion.
please be civil everyone thx
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
Anyway, my two cents on the topic of school-sponsored sports: holy crap, I agree with kphoger on something. :-D
This probably has to do with similar life experiences. Read on...
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
I went to an extremely sports-focused high school, to the point that as you roll into town on the state highway there's city-posted signage–on a state highway!–touting the 1996 state football championship, and five state championships for the cheerleaders.* During the softball playoffs you could literally buy your way out of going to class by buying tickets to go to the game. (Usually enough students would do this that "class" that day consisted of watching movies in the home ec classroom, but still.) Teachers would fudge important sports' players grades to keep them eligible. The school spent most of its budget on the football stadium and equipment.
My family moved to rural northwest Kansas during a time when the high school football team was on a state championship winning streak. I think they won three years in a row. There was no such thing as men's cross country, because the school wanted to prevent potential football players from joining a different sport. Pizza Hut shut down on Friday evening because everyone in town was at the game. During that time (the early 1990s), it was rare for the opposing team to score more than 14 points, yet it was also rare for our team to score fewer than 60 points. The school district specifically sought out foreign exchange students from central and eastern European countries that were known for soccer, specifically so they could recruit them to kick field goals in football games. Pep rallies were occasionally held in the middle of the intersection in downtown.
On the way into town from the south, there was a big sign along the state highway that said "Welcome to Atwood / Where people care". One day, someone spray-painted "about football" underneath.
When a classmate of mine
was going to state for wrestling, all the students gathered outside to send him off. When I
had already won state in music, all I got was a brief announcement over the PA system. All the sports teams had brand-new uniforms and equipment, but the music department had uniforms that our parents had worn and no budget for new instruments.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
I feel like it would be better if instead of this huge system we have now, where every school has a football team and you play against a bunch of other schools across the state to see who is the "state champion", you had the city parks department run a league where anyone of the appropriate age can sign up and gets randomly assigned to a team. Then play for a league championship. For rural areas, maybe do it on the county level, so there's still some travel involved but it's not an expensive boondoggle.
That would be awesome. Let's not forget, either, the sports programs available through the YMCA, which often operate on a sliding scale (in cities big enough to have this as an option).
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
the giant parachute that didn't really accomplish much other than being fun.
:D I remember that!
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
If we're going to include PE, it should be focused on things like how to build an effective workout routine, explanation of the different muscle groups and what they are used for, how to lift weights safely ... and, above all, nutrition; I had to learn myself in adulthood what the difference between carbs, fats, and protein was. That sort of thing alone would increase this nation's health substantially.
And, by all means, teach team sports. I remember playing basketball and football a couple of times as part of PE class. Nothing wrong with that! It teaches teamwork and how to play the game. That's part of education too. But yeah, it would have been awesome to have learned in school how to build a workout routine; that should probably be the #1 priority.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
Other, non-sports activities should probably stay the school's responsibility, because a lot of them tie into education in one way or another. I naturally learned a ton of stuff I wouldn't have otherwise on the school academic team (quiz bowl). Band/orchestra should probably stay the school's responsibility too; it's hard to really learn music theory without knowing how to play an instrument. Drama/theater ties into English/literature education (I imagine you get a much better understanding of Shakespeare by re-enacting it instead of just reading it out of a book).
Agreed. Learning music is part of a well-rounded education, and so is learning drama. Similarly, learning sports is too. That's why there are music classes and drama classes and PE classes.
"School sports get far too much emphasis compared to academics and the arts"
IS NOT EQUAL TO
"School sports shouldn't exist"
There are countless kids whose lives are literally saved by school sports. They provide motivation to achieve academically and an alternative to activities that tend to lead down very dark paths. Clubs can't effectively reach kids in very poor or very rural areas in the same way schools can, especially for a sport like football. It's fine to believe that your school's football team unfairly got a bunch of attention that musicians didn't get, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of kids whose lives are a lot better today because they had football in high school.
It seems like we're not going to come to a concensus here.
Quote from: thspfc on August 27, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
It seems like we're not going to come to a concensus here.
If enough people think that because high school sports didn't benefit them personally they aren't important, no matter how many other people they benefitted, then yes, there will be no consensus.
Quote from: thspfc on August 27, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
It seems like we're not going to come to a concensus here.
I didn't know that was the goal. I just wanted to know people's opinions, so they can inform my own. As far as that goes, this discussion has been a success.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
"School sports get far too much emphasis compared to academics and the arts"
IS NOT EQUAL TO
"School sports shouldn't exist"
There are countless kids whose lives are literally saved by school sports. They provide motivation to achieve academically and an alternative to activities that tend to lead down very dark paths. Clubs can't effectively reach kids in very poor or very rural areas in the same way schools can, especially for a sport like football. It's fine to believe that your school's football team unfairly got a bunch of attention that musicians didn't get, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of kids whose lives are a lot better today because they had football in high school.
Well said.
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: thspfc on August 27, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
It seems like we're not going to come to a concensus here.
I didn't know that was the goal. I just wanted to know people's opinions, so they can inform my own. As far as that goes, this discussion has been a success.
Good to know we have someone who will listen to other people's thoughts without calling them an idiot or telling them they can't read.
Actually, only one person is doing that, what am I talking about.
Quote from: thspfc on August 27, 2020, 11:43:38 AM
Actually, only one person is doing that, what am I talking about.
Let it go. People are flawed. Such is life. No one is exempt.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
They provide motivation to achieve academically and an alternative to activities that tend to lead down very dark paths.
The 'motivation to achieve academically' is an angle I hadn't considered before this discussion. My first reaction is
It isn't the school system's job to motivate our children, that's the parents' job, but I'm not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I mean, we could offer cash prizes for good grades–and maybe even spend less tax money doing so–but that wouldn't make it right. On the other hand, I don't disagree with offering perks for good grades, such as an extended lunch period or other benefits. So I'm not sure where I land on that one.
As for alternative activities to those leading down dark paths, that could be achieved by community sports clubs, as already mentioned.
Organized sports being part of school means that, quite often, teachers have little recourse when their students miss class because of sports. Lord help that last-period teacher who has six students leave school early every Thursday or Friday, who is still expected to ensure all students in the class receive the same level education. That teacher cannot count their absence against them, because they "skipped class" for a school-sponsored event. And, in a class that requires student interaction (such as foreign language), it negatively affects the rest of the students, not just the athletes' education.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Clubs can't effectively reach kids in very poor or very rural areas in the same way schools can, especially for a sport like football.
Can't or don't? I've seen non-school sports clubs reach poor urban neighborhoods. Rural is quite different, though.
I'd be interested to know what kind of penetration could be achieved by taking the tax money spent on school sports and funneling it into community sports clubs instead. It might be that such poor and rural communities could be reached just as effectively.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
They provide motivation to achieve academically and an alternative to activities that tend to lead down very dark paths.
The 'motivation to achieve academically' is an angle I hadn't considered before this discussion. My first reaction is It isn't the school system's job to motivate our children, that's the parents' job, but I'm not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I mean, we could offer cash prizes for good grades–and maybe even spend less tax money doing so–but that wouldn't make it right. On the other hand, I don't disagree with offering perks for good grades, such as an extended lunch period or other benefits. So I'm not sure where I land on that one.
As for alternative activities to those leading down dark paths, that could be achieved by community sports clubs, as already mentioned.
Organized sports being part of school means that, quite often, teachers have recourse when their students miss class because of sports. Lord help that last-period teacher who has six students leave school early every Thursday or Friday, who is still expected to ensure all students in the class receive the same level education. That teacher cannot count their absence against them, because they "skipped class" for a school-sponsored event. And, in a class that requires student interaction (such as foreign language), it negatively affects the rest of the students, not just the athletes' education.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Clubs can't effectively reach kids in very poor or very rural areas in the same way schools can, especially for a sport like football.
Can't or don't? I've seen non-school sports clubs reach poor urban neighborhoods. Rural is quite different, though.
I'd be interested to know what kind of penetration could be achieved by taking the tax money spent on school sports and funneling it into community sports clubs instead. It might be that such poor and rural communities could be reached just as effectively.
I'm not aware of massive amounts of tax dollars going into high school sports. At my high school, the facilities were capital projects but the equipment was paid for through revenue from tickets and concessions, and the facilities that were taxpayer financed were also available for public use.
Clubs have a harder time reaching kids than schools because you have the built-in advantage of the kids already being at school. You'll inevitably lose some kids when the parents have to shuffle them from school to the club and then later back to home. Also, you might have some sports clubs that care about how the kids are doing socially and academically, but they aren't obligated to. That is also built in with school sports.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
I'm not aware of massive amounts of tax dollars going into high school sports.
Notwithstanding coaches' salaries, presumably.
Of course, it's possible that community clubs' coaches would need to be paid too, rather than on a volunteer basis.
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 03:10:56 PMIf you're not interested in sports, then why would you even come to this thread?
Because he's interested in the virus. You know -- he's the guy who thinks we should all wear masks and live in fear and keep everything closed until there's a vaccine and everyone is forced under penalty of law to get the shot. And the title of this thread does start out with "The coronavirus..."
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 26, 2020, 07:49:31 PM
Anyway, my two cents on the topic of school-sponsored sports: holy crap, I agree with kphoger on something. :-D I went to an extremely sports-focused high school, to the point that as you roll into town on the state highway there's city-posted signage–on a state highway!–touting the 1996 state football championship, and five state championships for the cheerleaders.
Well, if your native state is anything like Kentucky, you probably had a legislative body pass a resolution decreeing the posting of the signs on the state highway. You'll find a lot of those here; most placed on order of the state legislature (the state pays) or via a resolution by a local governing body requesting that the secretary of Transportation issue an order for the posting of the signs (the local government pays).
As for sports, and the discussion about how sporting accomplishments are often the best memories for some students, I did not play sports in school. I was (and remain) terribly uncoordinated and unathletic. I enjoyed playing basketball, and to a lesser extent softball, with friends, but I was never on an organized team. I was in high school band and in my senior year, on the school newspaper staff. We had an award-winning marching band despite my high school not having a football team. Not only did I go to all the practices, I helped to maintain the field we used for practice. Looking back on my scholastic days, I ask myself why I spent so much time with those activities. I don't look upon my school years with a lot of fondness or wistfulness or good memories, and academic and band awards were my strong point, but still, why did I waste so much time helping mow and stripe the field or staying after school for marching band practice? I don't think I really got a lot out of it. I can still read music but I haven't touched my saxophone in probably 35 years.
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
Organized sports being part of school means that, quite often, teachers have recourse when their students miss class because of sports. Lord help that last-period teacher who has six students leave school early every Thursday or Friday, who is still expected to ensure all students in the class receive the same level education. That teacher cannot count their absence against them, because they "skipped class" for a school-sponsored event. And, in a class that requires student interaction (such as foreign language), it negatively affects the rest of the students, not just the athletes' education.
The middle school that my son is in (and the high school as well) has the last period of the day set aside for "recap". The kids go back to their homeroom and it's basically a study hall. For kids who take elective classes like band, extra art, etc; that is scheduled in that period. Early dismissals for sports only affect that period. Kids who may need extra help in a core subject can get a pass and go to that teacher. A library pass is available also. I think that effectively takes care of this problem.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
Organized sports being part of school means that, quite often, teachers have recourse when their students miss class because of sports. Lord help that last-period teacher who has six students leave school early every Thursday or Friday, who is still expected to ensure all students in the class receive the same level education. That teacher cannot count their absence against them, because they "skipped class" for a school-sponsored event. And, in a class that requires student interaction (such as foreign language), it negatively affects the rest of the students, not just the athletes' education.
The middle school that my son is in (and the high school as well) has the last period of the day set aside for "recap". The kids go back to their homeroom and it's basically a study hall. For kids who take elective classes like band, extra art, etc; that is scheduled in that period. Early dismissals for sports only affect that period. Kids who may need extra help in a core subject can get a pass and go to that teacher. A library pass is available also. I think that effectively takes care of this problem.
(1) So electives can only be offered during one period? That won't work for every school.
(2) It sounds like students who are otherwise done with their classes and don't need extra help are held captive in "recap" instead of being free to go home.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
Organized sports being part of school means that, quite often, teachers have recourse when their students miss class because of sports. Lord help that last-period teacher who has six students leave school early every Thursday or Friday, who is still expected to ensure all students in the class receive the same level education. That teacher cannot count their absence against them, because they "skipped class" for a school-sponsored event. And, in a class that requires student interaction (such as foreign language), it negatively affects the rest of the students, not just the athletes' education.
The middle school that my son is in (and the high school as well) has the last period of the day set aside for "recap". The kids go back to their homeroom and it's basically a study hall. For kids who take elective classes like band, extra art, etc; that is scheduled in that period. Early dismissals for sports only affect that period. Kids who may need extra help in a core subject can get a pass and go to that teacher. A library pass is available also. I think that effectively takes care of this problem.
(1) So electives can only be offered during one period? That won't work for every school.
(2) It sounds like students who are otherwise done with their classes and don't need extra help are held captive in "recap" instead of being free to go home.
#1 - no, electives are offered in other periods also.
#2 - and also done with their homework; but yes, that is correct.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on August 27, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
For kids who take elective classes like band, extra art, etc; that is scheduled in that period.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on August 27, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
electives are offered in other periods also.
Now I'm confused.
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Quote from: jemacedo9 on August 27, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
For kids who take elective classes like band, extra art, etc; that is scheduled in that period.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on August 27, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
electives are offered in other periods also.
Now I'm confused.
Core classes are offered 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th period
5th period, list of electives that kids have to choose between that rotate halfway through the year.
Then 8th period, the recap, is another opportunity to take a second one. Or leave that open if they are involved in sports. Band is only offered in 8th period as well, as I believe a few others that have after-school practices (choir?). If left open, it can be a free form study hall in their homeroom, or they can get passes to go to the library or another teachers room for specific help.
In many/most places in the 'private sports club' World, there are P.E. classes and intramural sports leagues in the schools, just not games against teams from other schools. Those are the realm of the clubs, they play for the community.
Mike
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the giant parachute that didn't really accomplish much other than being fun.
:D I remember that!
I only went to public school for a few years, and in a completely different generation than you guys, but I remember that to! I guess it was a staple!
Must have been invented in the last 40 years or so, because I DON'T remember that.
What I do remember is having little 4-wheel scooters about 12x12 inches and about 6" high. There were about 8 of them, 4 per team, and we'd scoot around kicking a ball toward the goal line.
We should be finding out any time now what the coronavirus's effect is one the rest of the fall HS sports. Football has already been moved to the spring. A lot of the schools around here are starting virtual.
Quote from: mgk920 on August 27, 2020, 03:18:39 PM
In many/most places in the 'private sports club' World, there are P.E. classes and intramural sports leagues in the schools, just not games against teams from other schools. Those are the realm of the clubs, they play for the community.
Which makes total sense to me.
Quote from: thspfc on August 26, 2020, 09:21:12 PM
Most collegiate athletes recieve a free education. And if I was a college athlete, I wouldn't really care about extra money. The experience would make up for it.
Either this is a lie, or you'll change your mind about it when you're in college. :-D There's a reason why there's a stereotype of college students living on ramen...
(For me, it was Campbell's soup, because I hadn't learned you could make ramen in the microwave yet; my dorm had no stove. I ate so much Campbell's chicken noodle soup in my one year of college that I haven't touched it in the twelve years since.)
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 10:31:08 AM
There was no such thing as men's cross country, because the school wanted to prevent potential football players from joining a different sport.
I never thought about that as being a reason why some sports were weirdly absent at my school. I'd always assumed it was just because we were a small, rural school and there was no interest. It's kind of a shame, since I might have been interested in competitive swimming if they'd offered it.
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 10:31:08 AM
During that time (the early 1990s), it was rare for the opposing team to score more than 14 points, yet it was also rare for our team to score fewer than 60 points.
My school was never quite
that good, though we could always count on making the playoffs, and usually making a pretty deep run. The most notable game in my mind was on Saturday, September 15, 2001. It had been delayed from the usual Friday due to the September 11 attacks. It was an away game at a town in the same county as us. Our band director found out that the opposing school's band used the same arrangement of "The Star-Spangled Banner" as us, so arranged for us to join the opposing band to play as one in a show of unity after the attacks. I think they had some big flags brought in and held by some cheerleaders or something. It was very patriotic and kind of touching. It definitely felt like a special moment.
Then the football team took the field and defeated the home team 75—0.
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
All the sports teams had brand-new uniforms and equipment, but the music department had uniforms that our parents had worn and no budget for new instruments.
Our sports teams got new uniforms every two or three years or so. My first year in band, we had to buy our own from Hobby Lobby–a tuxedo shirt and black bow tie. Kids were expected to buy their own instruments, too. There were school loaner instruments, but they were pretty beat-up (and who knows how many kids' lips had been on them).
Later on, the school did end up investing in the band, so we managed to get real band uniforms (we kind of missed the tuxedo shirts since the band uniforms were way too hot in August and September and way too cold in October, November, or December). and a trailer to put the instruments in. It looks like it paid off, because Google Street View now shows a sign that wasn't there when I went to school, listing various band accomplishments posted right under the 1996 football one.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
They provide motivation to achieve academically and an alternative to activities that tend to lead down very dark paths.
The 'motivation to achieve academically' is an angle I hadn't considered before this discussion. My first reaction is It isn't the school system's job to motivate our children, that's the parents' job, but I'm not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I mean, we could offer cash prizes for good grades–and maybe even spend less tax money doing so–but that wouldn't make it right. On the other hand, I don't disagree with offering perks for good grades, such as an extended lunch period or other benefits. So I'm not sure where I land on that one.
My view is that it's the school system's job to provide a motivation to achieve academically, but providing an external motivation like sports (or perks) to do that is completely the wrong way of going about it. The problem is that you really end up providing motivation to
get good grades, not to
learn things. Which means that the honest motivated kids end up spending energy learning "here's how to parse the exact wording of test questions to successfully guess which answer is correct" (a thing we were actually taught in school), and the dishonest motivated kids learn how to cheat on tests, strongarm extra points out of the teacher, and pay poor kids to do their homework for them.
I got passing grades in high school math but learned jack shit.
Ideally, the motivation should be provided by illustrating how much easier life is when you're educated, and encouraging the little shot of serotonin you get when you learn something new. That way the act of
learning itself is what's motivated. How do you do that? I dunno, I didn't major in education in college. But I think that the modern school system is so focused on grades that it can't see the forest for the trees anymore.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on August 27, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Clubs can't effectively reach kids in very poor or very rural areas in the same way schools can, especially for a sport like football.
Can't or don't? I've seen non-school sports clubs reach poor urban neighborhoods. Rural is quite different, though.
I'd be interested to know what kind of penetration could be achieved by taking the tax money spent on school sports and funneling it into community sports clubs instead. It might be that such poor and rural communities could be reached just as effectively.
Honestly, I think a community league run by a city parks department could potentially reach kids
better than the school system, because it wouldn't have to filter the students into teams by school district boundaries. Inner-city schools in poor areas may not have the budget for equipment and staffing that a school in a rich area might have, so if the teams corresponding to those schools play each other, it'd be misbalanced as hell.
If you do randomly-assigned teams from all the players in the city, you might have a quarterback living on SNAP benefits throwing to a receiver who lives in a mansion. Message goes out to the kids: working with people different than you is possible.
There's also the benefit that you can have theoretically infinite numbers of teams (subject to funding/space constraints, of course), so a kid who wants to learn how to play doesn't get shut out because he happened to go to a school with a really good program that only accepts the best out of the best.
Obviously, this model wouldn't work in a place like Atwood, Kansas, where an individual town has enough players to field no more than one or two teams. But you could set up a similar program on a county level, or even a multi-county district. It just wouldn't be tied to schools. A player from Atwood could have teammates from Colby or Oberlin.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
Obviously, this model wouldn't work in a place like Atwood, Kansas, where an individual town has enough players to field no more than one or two teams. But you could set up a similar program on a county level, or even a multi-county district. It just wouldn't be tied to schools. A player from Atwood could have teammates from Colby or Oberlin.
You're only thinking football.
Atwood has a (concrete)
tennis court (https://goo.gl/maps/V8dSS75rwfXXyZgYA). Tennis courts are super-cheap to build and maintain, racquets and balls are relatively cheap, and plenty of doubles and singles could compete in even a small town.
Atwood has a
bowling alley (https://goo.gl/maps/JgDai5EQbwC1j9zx8). Youth bowling leagues could be a thing. Actually, scratch that. It looks like the bowling alley closed down since I lived there.
Atwood has a
swimming pool (https://goo.gl/maps/y6BdZDmttC3P27gm7). (It's where I spent every summer afternoon as a kid.)
Beyond that, there are sports that would involve more personal investment by competitors, such as cycling or rodeo or sharpshooting or whatever.
That's a fair point–football is way more resource-intensive than most other sports. It's just the one that got the most emphasis in my town (and most small towns, it feels like).
You could absolutely build a sports center that has a few basketball and tennis courts, an indoor Olympic-size pool, and a few bowling lanes, and run a municipal league for all of those sports out of that. The issue would simply be whether there was enough interest to make a league for each of those sports viable.
Of course, the benefit of all of that being done at the municipal level is that non-students can use the facilities too, when they're not being used for league practices or play.
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 04:01:34 PM
Atwood has a swimming pool (https://goo.gl/maps/y6BdZDmttC3P27gm7). (It's where I spent every summer afternoon as a kid.)
Even the town where my mom grew up, which is about 1/3 of the size of Atwood, has a public swimming pool.
They call it the "city pool" at the "city park". I always have to chuckle at that. Apparently, in North Dakota, if you can see multiple other houses without squinting, it's a city.
I always think of Tennis Courts as saying "Hey, look, we've giving you something that everyone can use, no matter what age level you are!", and then you can drive by and rarely see people using them. It's just not a sport that people are really keen on playing.
Pickleball is picking up some steam due to the fact that you can fit 2 of them in the same size as a tennis court, and allows for more favorable playing action.
Swimming pools are great...in the summer...on nice days...for 8 hours of those days. For much of the country, they're useless the other 9 months out of the year. And the expense and liability is thru the roof...even when the pool is closed.
And honestly, I'm not picking on those sports and activities, because EVERY sport and activity has its plusses and minuses. Communities choosing one over another allows them to give people options on where they want to live, and where they want to play. So there's no right or wrong in what is chosen...as long as the option remains in good, usable condition.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 27, 2020, 04:59:07 PM
Swimming pools are great...in the summer...on nice days...for 8 hours of those days. For much of the country, they're useless the other 9 months out of the year. And the expense and liability is thru the roof...even when the pool is closed.
Which is why community swimming pools should be built indoors, so you can still use them during the winter or after dark. The problem is that when a lot of muncipal pools were built, they were seen as a fun summer diversion for the kids to splash around in. They weren't intended for competitive sports or as an exercise facility. Naturally, if swimming is to be used as part of an exercise regimen, it needs to be available year-round.
A lot of commercial gyms have a pool that can be used for that purpose, but the dues for those gyms tend not to be very affordable.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2020, 10:31:08 AM
There was no such thing as men's cross country, because the school wanted to prevent potential football players from joining a different sport.
I never thought about that as being a reason why some sports were weirdly absent at my school. I'd always assumed it was just because we were a small, rural school and there was no interest. It's kind of a shame, since I might have been interested in competitive swimming if they'd offered it.
Also remember the tenets of Title IX. Football is not exempt from those 'stock the teams by the numbers' rules, so many minor mens' sports were dropped by high schools and universities to keep the required gender balance.
Mike
It's not like we used to have swimming. There was never a pool on campus. Lacrosse and soccer were also never a thing, male or female.
I don't think that we would have had a gender-balance issue, since girls' basketball, slow-pitch softball, and fast-pitch softball were all very successful, usually more successful than the equivalent boys' teams.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2020, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 27, 2020, 04:59:07 PM
Swimming pools are great...in the summer...on nice days...for 8 hours of those days. For much of the country, they're useless the other 9 months out of the year. And the expense and liability is thru the roof...even when the pool is closed.
Which is why community swimming pools should be built indoors, so you can still use them during the winter or after dark. The problem is that when a lot of muncipal pools were built, they were seen as a fun summer diversion for the kids to splash around in. They weren't intended for competitive sports or as an exercise facility. Naturally, if swimming is to be used as part of an exercise regimen, it needs to be available year-round.
A lot of commercial gyms have a pool that can be used for that purpose, but the dues for those gyms tend not to be very affordable.
The cost of indoor gyms are astromincal, especially for a free or low-cost community based pool. Basically, take the cost of just running a pool during the summer, and multiply that by 4. Take the costs of not only the building, but underground as well to keep the pool and water from freezing, especially in colder climates. And buildings around pools need to be built to withstand the chemicals used within the pool.
Next - Don't forget indoor amenities for pool buildings, that are basically just bath houses for outdoor pools: Bathrooms. Showers. Snack Bar. Chemical Rooms. Storage Rooms.
Oh, don't forget the lifeguards either.
The cost for an indoor community pool is astronomical.
Who says every sport needs to be year-round anyway?
Swimming is a summer sport.
Quote from: kphoger on August 28, 2020, 02:43:02 PM
Who says every sport needs to be year-round anyway?
Swimming is a summer sport.
As someone who has driven through intense snowstorms to get to my brother's swim meets in the past, I can state that this is not true. At least the pool was indoors for that one; outdoor meet season typically began around April/May and lasted until around the end of September, but even then weather was no guarantee. I remember once driving up from Salt Lake to an outdoor meet in Logan, where it was raining and temperatures were in the 40s - and the meet went on. Only lightning would have stopped it.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 28, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2020, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 27, 2020, 04:59:07 PM
Swimming pools are great...in the summer...on nice days...for 8 hours of those days. For much of the country, they're useless the other 9 months out of the year. And the expense and liability is thru the roof...even when the pool is closed.
Which is why community swimming pools should be built indoors, so you can still use them during the winter or after dark. The problem is that when a lot of muncipal pools were built, they were seen as a fun summer diversion for the kids to splash around in. They weren't intended for competitive sports or as an exercise facility. Naturally, if swimming is to be used as part of an exercise regimen, it needs to be available year-round.
A lot of commercial gyms have a pool that can be used for that purpose, but the dues for those gyms tend not to be very affordable.
The cost of indoor gyms are astromincal, especially for a free or low-cost community based pool. Basically, take the cost of just running a pool during the summer, and multiply that by 4. Take the costs of not only the building, but underground as well to keep the pool and water from freezing, especially in colder climates. And buildings around pools need to be built to withstand the chemicals used within the pool.
Next - Don't forget indoor amenities for pool buildings, that are basically just bath houses for outdoor pools: Bathrooms. Showers. Snack Bar. Chemical Rooms. Storage Rooms.
Oh, don't forget the lifeguards either.
The cost for an indoor community pool is astronomical.
Over here in North Bend OR, we have a fine indoor pool facility, built in 1958. If the costs were "astronomical", this place would have closed a very long time ago. We are a middle class city of just under 10K population so this is not exactly Beverly Hills CA, where the high school of that name has an indoor pool covered by the basketball court floor. We can actually afford to have both a basketball court seating over 3000 and an indoor pool!
Maybe New Jersey is too broke to buy and maintain anything these days...LOL!
Rick
Quote from: kphoger on August 28, 2020, 02:43:02 PM
Who says every sport needs to be year-round anyway?
Swimming is a summer sport.
Competitive swimming is a winter sport, at least for boys, at the high level in many states, and definitely at the college level. Just checking a few things online:
For the 2019-2020 season, the Illinois high school state championships were held on February 28 and 29. In Kansas, they were held on February 23. The NCAA Division I championships were to be held from March 25 to 28, but they were canceled.
In my own high school experience, I couldn't tell you how many times my hair would freeze waiting outside after practice for my dad to pick me up. I always thought it was weird to be doing something so summery like swimming when it was so cold out, but I eventually came to enjoy it.
meh.
Swimming is in the summer Olympics.
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
meh.
Swimming is in the summer Olympics.
So is basketball but that's not a summer sport.
But that's because the winter olympics have to be related to snow or ice.
And anyway the purpose of the facility would not be 100% tied to competitive swimming–it would also provide an opportunity for adults to exercise.
The indoor pool I've used the most had no lifeguard on duty, and one had to sign a document acknowledging this fact to use the pool. It was far smaller than an Olympic-size pool, though (I think it was only 5 ft deep), so the risk of drowning was quite a bit lower.
If chemicals are a real concern, you can run it as a saltwater pool. I don't know whether that's within regulation for competitive use, though.
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
meh.
Swimming is in the summer Olympics.
I'm not sure what your point is here, other than to dismiss me for being right. The fact remains that, with minor exceptions, community and school pools in the US will not be used for competitions in the summer.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on August 31, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
The fact remains that, with minor exceptions, community and school pools in the US will not be used for competitions in the summer.
School, I'll give you. Schools don't meet during the summer, so their sports events tend to not be during the summer.
I see no reason why that would have to be the case for community groups.
Quote from: kphoger on July 31, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
In Wichita, the building of a new baseball stadium for the incoming Pacific Coast League team (renamed from the New Orleans Baby Cakes to the Wichita Wind Surge) was fraught with challenges and arguments. Construction was just barely squeaking in under the deadline, as they were scheduled to play their first game on April 8 of this year. Their inaugural season this year was initially postponed due to COVID, then later canceled altogether.
Now, in an unfortunate turn of events, the owner of the team, Lou Schwechheimer–who had spearheaded the building of a new stadium in Wichita–has died from COVID this past Wednesday, never having seen a single game played in the stadium, nor even his team's roster filled out.
Update:
Wichita's new stadium is scheduled to host its first game this Saturday, a college game between WSU and the University of Houston. The stadium has dropped its distancing requirement and expects to fill 7000 of its seats, but it has kept its mask policy in place.
Aside from the 2020 NCAA tournament it doesn't really seem in retrospect they COVID ended up being the sports apocalypse that was feared when this thread began.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
Aside from the 2020 NCAA tournament it doesn't really seem in retrospect they COVID ended up being the sports apocalypse that was feared when this thread began.
No major professional league had to cancel their championship.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 08, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
Aside from the 2020 NCAA tournament it doesn't really seem in retrospect they COVID ended up being the sports apocalypse that was feared when this thread began.
No major professional league had to cancel their championship.
They really should have, though. Better safe than sorry!
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 08, 2021, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 08, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
Aside from the 2020 NCAA tournament it doesn't really seem in retrospect they COVID ended up being the sports apocalypse that was feared when this thread began.
No major professional league had to cancel their championship.
They really should have, though. Better safe than sorry!
The financial ramifications clearly outweighed the potential risks for those leagues. Fortunately for them that ended up being a safe bet at the end of the day.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2021, 06:29:12 PM
at the end of the day
Which way to the corporate lingo thread? :D
Quote from: kphoger on April 08, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2021, 06:29:12 PM
at the end of the day
Which way to the corporate lingo thread? :D
True, that does fit the theme of a crappy corporate buzz phrase.
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
The longest-running cup competition in the country, the US Open Cup, had to cancel in 2020 and downsize in 2021 due to COVID.
A little thing called the Olympics is also on the verge of total cancellation.
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
...A little thing called the Olympics is also on the verge of total cancellation.
While I haven't followed this story too much, I had thought the Olympics were on. Reading up, it appears Japan started vaccinating its residents in mid-February. If they can achieve what the US should be achieving within 6 months, most of their residents - at least the ones that want to be vaccinated - should be vaccinated by the Olympics.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 09, 2021, 07:34:45 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
...A little thing called the Olympics is also on the verge of total cancellation.
While I haven't followed this story too much, I had thought the Olympics were on. Reading up, it appears Japan started vaccinating its residents in mid-February. If they can achieve what the US should be achieving within 6 months, most of their residents - at least the ones that want to be vaccinated - should be vaccinated by the Olympics.
Japan's vaccination program, from what I've heard, is pretty horrible.
Seriously doubt the Olympics can still go on.
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
Quote from: thspfc on April 09, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
The region stretching from the Bay Area/Sacramento to the WA/BC border is actually one of the places in the US that has been hit
least by the pandemic, placing fourth to Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and northern New England.
^^^
And it was really nice during all my vacations late last year, it almost felt like normal life in places like Medford and Eureka.
Quote from: thspfc on April 09, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
I didn't even realize the MLS had a team in Sacramento. Amusingly I also didn't realize Fresno has a slightly higher population than Sacramento until now.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 08, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
Aside from the 2020 NCAA tournament it doesn't really seem in retrospect they COVID ended up being the sports apocalypse that was feared when this thread began.
Has anyone taken a deep dive into the financials? How much money was lost due to no crowds (the NASCAR races where attendance was so limited that even the announcers were calling the race from home or a studio) or very limited attendance?
Kentucky just conducted its boys' state high school basketball tournament last week, and the girls' Sweet Sixteen (Kentucky has the original use of that phrase to describe a basketball tournament, as the state still plays single-class basketball and is divided into 16 regions, the champions of which move on to the state tournament) is this week. Both are being held at Rupp Arena in Lexington. The place has been nearly empty, and it's usually at least two-thirds full for the boys' tournament.
Quote from: thspfc on April 09, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
More like the investor wasn't able to keep up due to the economic fallout from the rest of the country's botched COVID response.
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: thspfc on April 09, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
More like the investor wasn't able to keep up due to the economic fallout from the rest of the country's botched COVID response.
Ours (California) wasn't any better than anywhere else in the country. The governor really didn't do the pandemic response favors when he got caught on camera at a dinner maskless in Napa County. Since that time pretty almost everyone and almost every local authority (Santa Clara County being a big exception) has been increasingly phoning in COVID restrictions.
I don't know if any of that has anything to do with the MLS team in Sacramento failing, although I doubt it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 09, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: thspfc on April 09, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
More like the investor wasn't able to keep up due to the economic fallout from the rest of the country's botched COVID response.
Ours (California) wasn't any better than anywhere else in the country. The governor really didn't do the pandemic response favors when he got caught on camera at a dinner maskless in Napa County. Since that time pretty almost everyone and almost every local authority (Santa Clara County being a big exception) has been increasingly phoning in COVID restrictions.
I don't know if any of that has anything to do with the MLS team in Sacramento failing, although I doubt it.
The country has COVID exhaustion. Tired of restrictions, they're using vaccination as an excuse to go out and do everything normal again, forgetting that everyone who isn't vaccinated can still get the disease, so our numbers are peaking all over again even as a sizable minority of people are "protected".
Quote from: Alps on April 10, 2021, 01:42:04 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 09, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: thspfc on April 09, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on April 09, 2021, 05:10:50 AM
There's still a bit of long-term damage from COVID, though.
Sacramento is close to losing its MLS expansion franchise because the largest investor pulled out, citing COVID.
Wow, California losing franchises because of stifling Covid restrictions? What a surprise! :-D
More like the investor wasn't able to keep up due to the economic fallout from the rest of the country's botched COVID response.
Ours (California) wasn't any better than anywhere else in the country. The governor really didn't do the pandemic response favors when he got caught on camera at a dinner maskless in Napa County. Since that time pretty almost everyone and almost every local authority (Santa Clara County being a big exception) has been increasingly phoning in COVID restrictions.
I don't know if any of that has anything to do with the MLS team in Sacramento failing, although I doubt it.
The country has COVID exhaustion. Tired of restrictions, they're using vaccination as an excuse to go out and do everything normal again, forgetting that everyone who isn't vaccinated can still get the disease, so our numbers are peaking all over again even as a sizable minority of people are "protected".
Yesterday was probably the first day that I can recall traffic in all forms being close to normal. The roads were packed with commuters when I was passing through Stockton and Sacramento in the morning. When I got back to the vicinity of Fresno on CA 41 there was the old Friday evening rush to Oakhurst and Yosemite. For all intents and purposes more people than not have decided to resume normalcy. I thought it was strange that some of he Gold Rush counties were more strictly adhering to current rules than Fresno was, that's certainly a 180 flip from months ago.
Regardless though, I think it is interesting when I hear from people that they think that California or any particular place handled COVID than elsewhere. It seems that the same pattern of infection waves and phoning in of restrictions more or less are the same most places on a long enough time table.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 10, 2021, 09:45:23 AM
Yesterday was probably the first day that I can recall traffic in all forms being close to normal. The roads were packed with commuters when I was passing through Stockton and Sacramento in the morning. When I got back to the vicinity of Fresno on CA 41 there was the old Friday evening rush to Oakhurst and Yosemite. For all intents and purposes more people than not have decided to resume normalcy. I thought it was strange that some of he Gold Rush counties were more strictly adhering to current rules than Fresno was, that's certainly a 180 flip from months ago.
Occasionally looking at Google Maps, afternoon congestion that would have been 10-14 miles pre-pandemic on 295 near me has been more in the 2-3 mile range, slightly growing over the past few months.
I got my second shot yesterday, and not really thinking about it I scheduled it for a Friday afternoon up this highway. While traffic certainly isn't as backed up as it normally would have been pre-pandemic on a Friday afternoon, there still is some congestion out there. In this particular case there was an accident which should have caused a lot further of a backup, but the 2 mile slowdown was relatively muted, then followed by another slowdown slightly exasperated by a car that ran out of gas in a construction zone on a narrow shoulder.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 10, 2021, 09:45:23 AM
Regardless though, I think it is interesting when I hear from people that they think that California or any particular place handled COVID than elsewhere. It seems that the same pattern of infection waves and phoning in of restrictions more or less are the same most places on a long enough time table.
What I noticed is it's a lot like throwing a rock into the water. A wave slams places that were reluctant to impose restrictions or rejected imposing them, which ripples outward and hits places that were more restrictive after it dies down in the original hot spot. It's why so many of the unrestricted places have pointed and said "see, the restrictions don't do anything because we're doing fine and they're not" to justify their refusing to impose restrictions.
I wonder if the Blue Jays and/or the Raptors would consider a permanent relocation to a US city if the US/Canada border doesn't reopen by this time next year. If so, I could see the Blue Jays moving to Buffalo or Charlotte (maybe even keeping the Blue Jays name if they move permanently to Buffalo) and the Raptors moving to Seattle and becoming the new Sonics.
A couple of years ago, it was rumored that the Rays would be on their way to Montreal. Now it's more likely (but still a small chance) that the Blue Jays relocate south than the Rays relocating north.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 17, 2021, 11:53:20 PM
I wonder if the Blue Jays and/or the Raptors would consider a permanent relocation to a US city if the US/Canada border doesn't reopen by this time next year. If so, I could see the Blue Jays moving to Buffalo or Charlotte (maybe even keeping the Blue Jays name if they move permanently to Buffalo) and the Raptors moving to Seattle and becoming the new Sonics.
A couple of years ago, it was rumored that the Rays would be on their way to Montreal. Now it's more likely (but still a small chance) that the Blue Jays relocate south than the Rays relocating north.
I read a story today about the U.S. women's hockey coach quitting over covid protocols, and the story mentioned the tournament is next week in Canada. So the border must be open for some sporting/business reasons.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 17, 2021, 11:53:20 PM
I wonder if the Blue Jays and/or the Raptors would consider a permanent relocation to a US city if the US/Canada border doesn't reopen by this time next year. If so, I could see the Blue Jays moving to Buffalo or Charlotte (maybe even keeping the Blue Jays name if they move permanently to Buffalo) and the Raptors moving to Seattle and becoming the new Sonics.
A couple of years ago, it was rumored that the Rays would be on their way to Montreal. Now it's more likely (but still a small chance) that the Blue Jays relocate south than the Rays relocating north.
With the Blue Jays owned by Rogers (Canada's largest communications company) and the Raptors owned by the country's largest entertainment group, I see no scenario they permanently leave Toronto barring selling to outside buyers. From an American perspective I have gotten a sense of an "us standing alone against the USA" when it comes to the Jays/Raptors, so that undercurrent would also be in favor of keeping the teams where they are.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 18, 2021, 12:18:06 AM
I read a story today about the U.S. women's hockey coach quitting over covid protocols, and the story mentioned the tournament is next week in Canada. So the border must be open for some sporting/business reasons.
I believe that's been the case all along, hasn't it? Business travel is still allowed. I think there's still a mandatory quarantine period upon arrival in Canada, though.
Quote from: kphoger on April 19, 2021, 02:34:30 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 18, 2021, 12:18:06 AM
I read a story today about the U.S. women's hockey coach quitting over covid protocols, and the story mentioned the tournament is next week in Canada. So the border must be open for some sporting/business reasons.
I believe that's been the case all along, hasn't it? Business travel is still allowed. I think there's still a mandatory quarantine period upon arrival in Canada, though.
Yep, that is correct - anyone can travel to Canada as long as they have a reason (which has essentially always been the case even pre-Covid) and they quarantine for two weeks upon arrival.
Of course, at least in Ontario, things are locked down to such an extent that you probably wouldn't be doing much a even after the two weeks are over. It will be interesting to see if that continues, and if so, how it plays out once the warmer weather hits.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 17, 2021, 11:53:20 PM
I wonder if the Blue Jays and/or the Raptors would consider a permanent relocation to a US city if the US/Canada border doesn't reopen by this time next year. If so, I could see the Blue Jays moving to Buffalo or Charlotte (maybe even keeping the Blue Jays name if they move permanently to Buffalo) and the Raptors moving to Seattle and becoming the new Sonics.
A couple of years ago, it was rumored that the Rays would be on their way to Montreal. Now it's more likely (but still a small chance) that the Blue Jays relocate south than the Rays relocating north.
The border will be open by the end of the year after we send our vaccines to Canada.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 21, 2021, 01:48:50 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 17, 2021, 11:53:20 PM
I wonder if the Blue Jays and/or the Raptors would consider a permanent relocation to a US city if the US/Canada border doesn't reopen by this time next year. If so, I could see the Blue Jays moving to Buffalo or Charlotte (maybe even keeping the Blue Jays name if they move permanently to Buffalo) and the Raptors moving to Seattle and becoming the new Sonics.
A couple of years ago, it was rumored that the Rays would be on their way to Montreal. Now it's more likely (but still a small chance) that the Blue Jays relocate south than the Rays relocating north.
The border will be open by the end of the year after we send our vaccines to Canada.
I won't be surprised if they use that opportunity to have Biden and Trudeau have a press event of some kind at Niagara Falls
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-impossible-now-japan-s-olympic-host-towns-pull-out-over-pandemic
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 27, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-impossible-now-japan-s-olympic-host-towns-pull-out-over-pandemic
I'm more surprised India has a hockey team.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 27, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-impossible-now-japan-s-olympic-host-towns-pull-out-over-pandemic
I'm more surprised India has a hockey team.
It has over a billion people. I'm sure a few like playing hockey.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 27, 2021, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 27, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-impossible-now-japan-s-olympic-host-towns-pull-out-over-pandemic
I'm more surprised India has a hockey team.
It has over a billion people. I'm sure a few like playing hockey.
I'm sure, but I never would have that it had enough of a following to compete in the Olympics.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 27, 2021, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 27, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-impossible-now-japan-s-olympic-host-towns-pull-out-over-pandemic
I'm more surprised India has a hockey team.
It has over a billion people. I'm sure a few like playing hockey.
I'm sure, but I never would have that it had enough of a following to compete in the Olympics.
Even in the United States, there are some sports that we only care about during the Olympics.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 27, 2021, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 27, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 27, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 26, 2021, 06:56:48 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on April 26, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
How long do you think it'll be until the IOC officially announces that the Olympics are cancelled? Given Japan's abysmal vaccine program, they undoubtedly will eventually be forced to, in my opinion. :eyebrow:
I think it's pretty much too late at this point. Too much money tied up in those dates to move/cancel now. If they require everybody coming to be vaccinated, it shouldn't matter too much what percentage of the host population is vaccinated.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210427-impossible-now-japan-s-olympic-host-towns-pull-out-over-pandemic
I'm more surprised India has a hockey team.
It has over a billion people. I'm sure a few like playing hockey.
I'm sure, but I never would have that it had enough of a following to compete in the Olympics.
There are probably more Olympic slots than number of countries that actually like hockey. If they're like other sports, they may have quotas limiting the number of European entrants.
A bold prediction on future Olympic host cities: Tokyo will host the Summer Olympics again (after this year) within the next 20 to 30 years.
https://www.complex.com/sports/scenes-from-an-empty-toronto-raptors-home-game
Canada bringing back the ole capacity limits.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 04:07:01 AM
https://www.complex.com/sports/scenes-from-an-empty-toronto-raptors-home-game
Canada bringing back the ole capacity limits.
Not really surprised. A number of colleges in the US are also no longer admitting fans to men's and women's basketball games, and I expect that to continue until the Omicron surge winds down. Of course, exactly when that will happen is a mystery because it was projected to die down in late December...then early January...then mid-January...then late January...then early February...
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 13, 2022, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 04:07:01 AM
https://www.complex.com/sports/scenes-from-an-empty-toronto-raptors-home-game
Canada bringing back the ole capacity limits.
Not really surprised. A number of colleges in the US are also no longer admitting fans to men's and women's basketball games, and I expect that to continue until the Omicron surge winds down. Of course, exactly when that will happen is a mystery because it was projected to die down in late December...then early January...then mid-January...then late January...then early February...
Who was projecting it to die down at those times? I'd love to see sources.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 13, 2022, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 13, 2022, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 04:07:01 AM
https://www.complex.com/sports/scenes-from-an-empty-toronto-raptors-home-game
Canada bringing back the ole capacity limits.
Not really surprised. A number of colleges in the US are also no longer admitting fans to men's and women's basketball games, and I expect that to continue until the Omicron surge winds down. Of course, exactly when that will happen is a mystery because it was projected to die down in late December...then early January...then mid-January...then late January...then early February...
Who was projecting it to die down at those times? I'd love to see sources.
I probably should have said "peak" rather than "die down".
Late December: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/omicron-wave-seems-to-have-peaked-in-south-africa-london-next.html
Mid-January: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/30/how-long-will-omicron-last/
Mid-February: https://nbc-2.com/news/health/covid/2021/12/29/thousands-more-expected-to-get-sick-with-omicron-variant-compared-to-delta/
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 13, 2022, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 13, 2022, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 13, 2022, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 04:07:01 AM
https://www.complex.com/sports/scenes-from-an-empty-toronto-raptors-home-game
Canada bringing back the ole capacity limits.
Not really surprised. A number of colleges in the US are also no longer admitting fans to men's and women's basketball games, and I expect that to continue until the Omicron surge winds down. Of course, exactly when that will happen is a mystery because it was projected to die down in late December...then early January...then mid-January...then late January...then early February...
Who was projecting it to die down at those times? I'd love to see sources.
I probably should have said "peak" rather than "die down".
Late December: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/omicron-wave-seems-to-have-peaked-in-south-africa-london-next.html
Mid-January: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/30/how-long-will-omicron-last/
Mid-February: https://nbc-2.com/news/health/covid/2021/12/29/thousands-more-expected-to-get-sick-with-omicron-variant-compared-to-delta/
First article was referencing the peak in South Africa. Different countries peak at different times. Second article said "may peak soon" which is pretty non-specific Soon could be one week or one month. Last article said mid-February, which is probably pretty accurate for the US.
If you ignore context, it's pretty easy to cherry pick portions of different stories to make it seem like people don't know what they're talking about when they really do.
Some parts of the US like NYC and DC have already peaked.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 05:42:12 PM
Some parts of the US like NYC and DC have already peaked.
And I think sometimes we get a little 'localized' in our reporting, versus other areas.
When we hear South Africa, we don't pinpoint various cities and here if there's increasing or decreasing cases in Pretoria or Cape Town. We just hear 'South Africa'. Whereas in the US, we don't think of waves being country-wide. We pinpoint them down to states, counties and cities.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 13, 2022, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 05:42:12 PM
Some parts of the US like NYC and DC have already peaked.
And I think sometimes we get a little 'localized' in our reporting, versus other areas.
When we hear South Africa, we don't pinpoint various cities and here if there's increasing or decreasing cases in Pretoria or Cape Town. We just hear 'South Africa'. Whereas in the US, we don't think of waves being country-wide. We pinpoint them down to states, counties and cities.
That's probably because most of us live in America- also America is much bigger population-wise then South Africa.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 13, 2022, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 05:42:12 PM
Some parts of the US like NYC and DC have already peaked.
And I think sometimes we get a little 'localized' in our reporting, versus other areas.
When we hear South Africa, we don't pinpoint various cities and here if there's increasing or decreasing cases in Pretoria or Cape Town. We just hear 'South Africa'. Whereas in the US, we don't think of waves being country-wide. We pinpoint them down to states, counties and cities.
That's probably because most of us live in America- also America is much bigger population-wise then South Africa.
America is much bigger than most other countries. But substitute any country for South Africa, and you'll get the same result.
But let's say you were in South Africa, and wanted to come to America. Do you think they'll tell you that the wave peaked in specific cities? Probably not. They'll tell you if 'United States' cases are rising or peaking.
To use France for an example, they restricted the United States travel to France. They don't care that there's fewer cases in New York or wherever, because anyone can travel within a country freely. So they restrict our entire country, regardless where the peaks are. https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/france-removed-u-s-from-safe-travel-list-among-covid-concerns-120822341592
I saw where Vanderbilt is not allowing students to attend basketball games (although member of the general public still can) for at least the first part of the month. I no longer watch or am a fan of University of Kentucky basketball, but I read a story today that the Vandy-UK game was one of them impacted. Vandy's game with cross-state rival Tennessee will also be one of the games impacted.
I read that the crowd cheers for UK were louder than for the home team. I guess Cat fans in south-central Kentucky who are closer to Nashville than any other big city got wind of the student exclusion and bought tickets, and i would expect the UT fans to outnumber Vandy fans as well.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 13, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 13, 2022, 05:59:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 13, 2022, 05:42:12 PM
Some parts of the US like NYC and DC have already peaked.
And I think sometimes we get a little 'localized' in our reporting, versus other areas.
When we hear South Africa, we don't pinpoint various cities and here if there's increasing or decreasing cases in Pretoria or Cape Town. We just hear 'South Africa'. Whereas in the US, we don't think of waves being country-wide. We pinpoint them down to states, counties and cities.
That's probably because most of us live in America- also America is much bigger population-wise then South Africa.
America is much bigger than most other countries. But substitute any country for South Africa, and you'll get the same result.
But let's say you were in South Africa, and wanted to come to America. Do you think they'll tell you that the wave peaked in specific cities? Probably not. They'll tell you if 'United States' cases are rising or peaking.
To use France for an example, they restricted the United States travel to France. They don't care that there's fewer cases in New York or wherever, because anyone can travel within a country freely. So they restrict our entire country, regardless where the peaks are. https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/france-removed-u-s-from-safe-travel-list-among-covid-concerns-120822341592
Obviously but that's mostly relevant for people interested in international travel
Like every prior Covid peak, the peaks are hitting the urban areas first and spreading to the rural areas. The Boston area has already peaked, especially as confirmed by the poop monitoring that some scientists are doing at the Deer Island sewer plant. New Hampshire believes they are peaking early next week.
I almost got sick when traveling back from NY over the break.
Luckily enough, the vaccine protected it.
Elsewhere, NCAA is adding games left and right. :pan: :ded:
Not happy to see this old thread of mine return.
Quote from: thspfc on January 14, 2022, 12:55:00 PM
Not happy to see this old thread of mine return.
Like my mother says when I get upset, tough crap! :D
Quote from: snowc on January 14, 2022, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 14, 2022, 12:55:00 PM
Not happy to see this old thread of mine return.
Like my mother says when I get upset, tough crap! :D
I'm more interested in what your Dad has to say.