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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2020, 03:17:49 PM »

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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2020, 09:23:11 PM »


Here is a tour of the M181.

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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2020, 12:56:23 PM »

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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2021, 01:30:04 PM »


Here is a cool street tour
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2021, 09:22:01 PM »

Road Opening for Congleton Link Road
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2021, 07:52:17 PM »



Here is the bike path by Jenonthemove.
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2021, 04:46:41 PM »


This crew is cool because they include bike routes in their roadgeek videos.

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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2021, 08:47:18 PM »

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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2021, 09:03:26 PM »


Sooooo, lemme get this straight. They added a roundabout in the middle of a motorway, and to get around that not meeting motorway standards, ended the motorway at the roundabout and designated a second one after it? Like, say, addressing an at-grade intersection on I-10 by ending I-10 at it and saying I-110 begins after it?

If that's not on that Pathetic Motorways site, it needs to be.
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2021, 02:35:08 PM »

Sooooo, lemme get this straight. They added a roundabout in the middle of a motorway, and to get around that not meeting motorway standards, ended the motorway at the roundabout and designated a second one after it? Like, say, addressing an at-grade intersection on I-10 by ending I-10 at it and saying I-110 begins after it?

If that's not on that Pathetic Motorways site, it needs to be.

It is on the Pathetic Motorways site (but for reasons predating this change!).

As this giant new housing estate is built out, two new roundabouts will be added, truncating the M181 each time, along with other changes like at-grade pedestrian crossings. I suspect that the A1077(M) signage is in error though, because the plan supposedly is for the road to become regular old A1077, as it will no longer be a motorway. Perhaps the A1077(M) designation is temporary? I can't imagine why though.
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2021, 10:13:57 PM »


Cool Roadgeek video on bike.

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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2021, 08:53:34 AM »

Sooooo, lemme get this straight. They added a roundabout in the middle of a motorway, and to get around that not meeting motorway standards, ended the motorway at the roundabout and designated a second one after it? Like, say, addressing an at-grade intersection on I-10 by ending I-10 at it and saying I-110 begins after it?

If that's not on that Pathetic Motorways site, it needs to be.
As you know about Pathetic Motorways, you know that there's no problem with roundabouts on motorways (which is a legal concept, not a set of standards).

What happened was that, the roundabout completed, Highways England handed over the northern bit to North Lincolnshire Council as planned (though North Lincolnshire didn't seem to realise). As the side roads off the roundabout weren't open, the removal of motorway status that was meant to accompany the detrunking has been delayed as it leads unescapably to a motorway (good practise, rarely seen these days).

The renumbering, however, is weird. There was no reason why it couldn't have stayed M181 until the side roads opened. I presume it's as it will be A1077 soon, and the change in number helps make clear there's a change in ownership (even though that's not done anywhere else in the UK).
I suspect that the A1077(M) signage is in error though, because the plan supposedly is for the road to become regular old A1077, as it will no longer be a motorway. Perhaps the A1077(M) designation is temporary? I can't imagine why though.
It's not an error (though the signs are mostly awful...), but a surprising rare piece of good practise.

The designation is temporary - when you can turn down the A1077(M) from the A18/A1077 and be able to avoid ending up on the M181, then the motorway status will go.
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2021, 07:16:30 PM »

Thanks for the explanation. Although I've done a fair bit of reading about UK roads, they do have a tendency to hurt my head at times. :spin: It makes sense that the road would retain the motorway restrictions since there's no place to go but to a road with motorway restrictions, but to roadgeeks on this side of the pond, it can be a little hard to grasp that what makes a road a "motorway" isn't the design standards of the road itself, but things like minimum speed limits and the banning of non-motorised vehicles.

Theoretically, could you have a road that was to western-US "expressway" standards (divided road with at-grade intersections but no other direct access, i.e. from private driveways) carry an M number if whichever agency is responsible for enacting motorway restrictions chose to do so? (Are motorway restrictions enacted by Parliament or through the actions of Highways England and/or local councils?)
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Re: UK Roads Thread
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2021, 11:06:39 AM »


Here is a tour of the M5.


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