I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange

[Beltway]

I-264 in Virginia even ends as a spur to the VA Beach oceanfront area, and it does not have an odd number.

Prior to 1995, the eastern terminus of I-264 ended at I-64 while the highway continued as the Virginia Beach Expressway (VA 44).  In between the I-64 connections, I-264 went through Norfolk.

I knew all that, was just commenting on what the highway is designated today.

I counted at least 12 three-digit Interstates that connect 2 or more Interstates, and also end as open-ended spurs.  So they have both connecting functions and spur functions.  Nearly all are odd-numbered.

[bzakharin]

I always thought of I-76 and I-276 as different ways to get to the I-95 corridor, so they sort of return to the same place. Same with I-80 and I-280 in NJ.

[Beltway]

I always thought of I-76 and I-276 as different ways to get to the I-95 corridor, so they sort of return to the same place. Same with I-80 and I-280 in NJ.

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

[theroadwayone]

I always thought of I-76 and I-276 as different ways to get to the I-95 corridor, so they sort of return to the same place. Same with I-80 and I-280 in NJ.

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

Maybe we could use I-995, making I-95 one of two N-S interstates (and one of four overall) to have a full set of 3dis.

[PHLBOS]

I always thought of I-76 and I-276 as different ways to get to the I-95 corridor, so they sort of return to the same place. Same with I-80 and I-280 in NJ.

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

Maybe we could use I-995, making I-95 one of two N-S interstates (and one of four overall) to have a full set of 3dis.

At present and aside from the 500 or so feet of I-495 just north of the DE state line, PA has no other I-x95s in it.  I-295 will be in the foreseeable future and both their original plans for I-695 (through Philly) & I-895 (another Delaware River crossing near the Burlington-Bristol Bridge) were cancelled decades ago. 

If any other road (new or existing) in the Keystone State were to receive another I-x95 designation; such would likely be either I-395 or 695 depending on the road's function.

[jemacedo9]

I always thought of I-76 and I-276 as different ways to get to the I-95 corridor, so they sort of return to the same place. Same with I-80 and I-280 in NJ.

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

Maybe we could use I-995, making I-95 one of two N-S interstates (and one of four overall) to have a full set of 3dis.

At present, PA has no I-x95s in it.  I-295 will be in the foreseeable future and both their original plans for I-695 (through Philly) & I-895 (another Delaware River crossing near the Burlington-Bristol Bridge) were cancelled decades ago. 

If any other road (new or existing) in the Keystone State were to receive another I-x95 designation; such would likely be either I-395 or 695 depending on the road's function.

And it will be a little interesting to see what they do with the PA 295 designation in York County.  Recent precedent; PA 86 and PA 99 were not renumbered externally, but internally became SR 886 and SR 399. As opposed to PA 283 and PA 380, which were internally numbered SR 300 and SR 400 when the SR designations were first determined.

[PHLBOS]

And it will be a little interesting to see what they do with the PA 295 designation in York County.  Recent precedent; PA 86 and PA 99 were not renumbered externally, but internally became SR 886 and SR 399. As opposed to PA 283 and PA 380, which were internally numbered SR 300 and SR 400 when the SR designations were first determined.

My guess regarding PA 295's fate: since it's far enough away from the new I-295 that it shouldn't be an issue (i.e. no change to PA 295's number will happen, at least externally).  Such is similar to MA 295 & I-295 coexisting in the Bay State (but at opposite ends).

Another in theory example is the coexistence of PA 90 and I-90 although the former never officially received that designation but would have had the Tacony/Pulaski Expresssway been built.

[cl94]

And it will be a little interesting to see what they do with the PA 295 designation in York County.  Recent precedent; PA 86 and PA 99 were not renumbered externally, but internally became SR 886 and SR 399. As opposed to PA 283 and PA 380, which were internally numbered SR 300 and SR 400 when the SR designations were first determined.

My guess regarding PA 295's fate: since it's far enough away from the new I-295 that it shouldn't be an issue (i.e. no change to PA 295's number will happen, at least externally).  Such is similar to MA 295 & I-295 coexisting in the Bay State (but at opposite ends).

Another in theory example is the coexistence of PA 90 and I-90 although the former never officially received that designation but would have had the Tacony/Pulaski Expresssway been built.

195, 395, 495, 595, 695, 795 are available. Will probably become one of those internally.

[Beltway]

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

Maybe we could use I-995, making I-95 one of two N-S interstates (and one of four overall) to have a full set of 3dis.

At present, PA has no I-x95s in it.  I-295 will be in the foreseeable future and both their original plans for I-695 (through Philly) & I-895 (another Delaware River crossing near the Burlington-Bristol Bridge) were cancelled decades ago. 
If any other road (new or existing) in the Keystone State were to receive another I-x95 designation; such would likely be either I-395 or 695 depending on the road's function.

I wasn't really suggesting that it be changed at this point, just suggesting what could have been done back in the 1950s or 1960s.

[PHLBOS]

And it will be a little interesting to see what they do with the PA 295 designation in York County.  Recent precedent; PA 86 and PA 99 were not renumbered externally, but internally became SR 886 and SR 399. As opposed to PA 283 and PA 380, which were internally numbered SR 300 and SR 400 when the SR designations were first determined.

My guess regarding PA 295's fate: since it's far enough away from the new I-295 that it shouldn't be an issue (i.e. no change to PA 295's number will happen, at least externally).  Such is similar to MA 295 & I-295 coexisting in the Bay State (but at opposite ends).

Another in theory example is the coexistence of PA 90 and I-90 although the former never officially received that designation but would have had the Tacony/Pulaski Expresssway been built.

195, 395, 495, 595, 695, 795 are available. Will probably become one of those internally.

Or simply SR 1295 internally.

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

Maybe we could use I-995, making I-95 one of two N-S interstates (and one of four overall) to have a full set of 3dis.

At present, PA has no I-x95s in it.  I-295 will be in the foreseeable future and both their original plans for I-695 (through Philly) & I-895 (another Delaware River crossing near the Burlington-Bristol Bridge) were cancelled decades ago. 
If any other road (new or existing) in the Keystone State were to receive another I-x95 designation; such would likely be either I-395 or 695 depending on the road's function.

I wasn't really suggesting that it be changed at this point, just suggesting what could have been done back in the 1950s or 1960s.

It's worth noting that the Walt Whitman/Schuylkill Expressway from the Vine Expressway to the Walt Whitman Bridge was once proposed to receive the I-395 designation but received the I-680 designation instead.  Such changed to I-676 circa 1964 and then to I-76 (the then-half-completed Vine Expressway that carried the I-76 designation became I-676) during the early-to-mid 1970s.

[Beltway]

I wasn't really suggesting that it be changed at this point, just suggesting what could have been done back in the 1950s or 1960s.

It's worth noting that the Walt Whitman/Schuylkill Expressway from the Vine Expressway to the Walt Whitman Bridge was once proposed to receive the I-395 designation but received the I-680 designation instead.  Such changed to I-676 circa 1964 and then to I-76 (the then-half-completed Vine Expressway that carried the I-76 designation became I-676) during the early-to-mid 1970s.

Both iterations of I-76/I-676 were logical designations back then, the original Vine Street Expressway interchange with the Ben Franklin Bridge would have been a high capacity freeway-to-freeway connection, and either I-676 or I-76 could have been routed thru there.  I-676 was the alternate and/or relief route for I-76.  I-76 has a logical terminus at NJ I-295.

[Alps]

I always thought of I-76 and I-276 as different ways to get to the I-95 corridor, so they sort of return to the same place. Same with I-80 and I-280 in NJ.

I-276 and I-476 both seem to me like a non-typical designation scheme.  I would have thought that an x95 route would be ideal for the western bypass of Philadelphia, and maybe using I-276 only for the turnpike between Valley Forge and Plymouth Meeting.

Maybe we could use I-995, making I-95 one of two N-S interstates (and one of four overall) to have a full set of 3dis.

At present, PA has no I-x95s in it.  I-295 will be in the foreseeable future and both their original plans for I-695 (through Philly) & I-895 (another Delaware River crossing near the Burlington-Bristol Bridge) were cancelled decades ago. 

If any other road (new or existing) in the Keystone State were to receive another I-x95 designation; such would likely be either I-395 or 695 depending on the road's function.

PA technically has I-495 in it.

[rickmastfan67]

And it will be a little interesting to see what they do with the PA 295 designation in York County.  Recent precedent; PA 86 and PA 99 were not renumbered externally, but internally became SR 886 and SR 399. As opposed to PA 283 and PA 380, which were internally numbered SR 300 and SR 400 when the SR designations were first determined.

My guess regarding PA 295's fate: since it's far enough away from the new I-295 that it shouldn't be an issue (i.e. no change to PA 295's number will happen, at least externally).  Such is similar to MA 295 & I-295 coexisting in the Bay State (but at opposite ends).

Another in theory example is the coexistence of PA 90 and I-90 although the former never officially received that designation but would have had the Tacony/Pulaski Expresssway been built.

195, 395, 495, 595, 695, 795 are available. Will probably become one of those internally.

Or simply SR 1295 internally.

Honestly doubt that they'd go for that, as I bet there is another 'SR 1295' in the same area.  Maybe 'SR 6295' if it doesn't get a '3-digit' internal number?

[Beltway]

PA technically has I-495 in it.

The southbound I-495 roadway actually does branch from I-95 about 500 feet from the state line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8193507,-75.4495453,477m/data=!3m1!1e3

[ixnay]

PA technically has I-495 in it.

The southbound I-495 roadway actually does branch from I-95 about 500 feet from the state line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8193507,-75.4495453,477m/data=!3m1!1e3

And in the vicinity are two of the shopping centers I grew up with, the cemetery where my father and three of my grandparents are buried (my maternal grandfather is buried in a cemetery near the PA 452 interchange with 95), and the refinery that employed my stepdad for 40 years.

I assume PennDot maintains the PA portion of that 495/DE 92 offramp.

ixnay

[jeffandnicole]

I assume PennDot maintains the PA portion of that 495/DE 92 offramp.

Yep...it's pretty clear where the jurisdiction changes based on the pavement for both 95 and 495 here: https://goo.gl/maps/5mmiTGMwBqK2

[PHLBOS]

PA technically has I-495 in it.

Duly noted (even though we're talking about 500 or so feet of pavement in the grand scheme of things) and I have since edited my previous post as needed/appropriate.

[briantroutman]

It's arguable that I-495 doesn't enter Pennsylvania. PennDOT's straight line diagram for I-95 in Delaware County shows an 8000-series SR (PennDOT's designation for interchange ramps) as "Ramp to I-495 Delaware" , but it doesn't list a separate SR for 495 itself. The straight line diagram for SR 8009 lists it beginning at I-95 and terminating at the Delaware state line–a total distance of 220 feet.

And of course the FHWA's Interstate log doesn't list any mileage for I-495 in PA.

[roadman65]

PA technically has I-495 in it.

The southbound I-495 roadway actually does branch from I-95 about 500 feet from the state line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8193507,-75.4495453,477m/data=!3m1!1e3

Was noticing that the first reassurance marker for I-495 and the 11.5 mm is at the actual border.

Anyway if another I-495 does need to be in Pennsylvania so be it IMO.   There is not enough roadway of significance in PA to consider it to be a route in itself.  500 feet most of it diverging lanes is not a full freeway.

[Beltway]

It's arguable that I-495 doesn't enter Pennsylvania. PennDOT's straight line diagram for I-95 in Delaware County shows an 8000-series SR (PennDOT's designation for interchange ramps) as "Ramp to I-495 Delaware" , but it doesn't list a separate SR for 495 itself. The straight line diagram for SR 8009 lists it beginning at I-95 and terminating at the Delaware state line–a total distance of 220 feet.
And of course the FHWA's Interstate log doesn't list any mileage for I-495 in PA.

True for northbound I-495, it ends in Delaware.  Physically the southbound roadway does begin in PA, even though PennDOT may officially call it a "ramp" and not a mainline highway.

[jemacedo9]

I don't think I've seen a case where a PA Traffic Route uses quadrant route number (one starting with 1,2,3,4), so I don't think they'd use SR 1295. There are cases where route numbers are used in a quadrant route number, such as:
- bannered routes (SR 3422 is Bus US 422 in Reading, SR 3160 was the old Bus PA 60 around the Pgh Airport before it became Bus I-376, plus SR 3060 was already used in Allegheny County before they decided to use SR 3160)
- frontage roads/CD roads (SR 2676 are the local Vine Streets for I-676, and SR 3095 are the I-95 PHL airport CD lanes, SR 1202 Chester County and SR 3202 Montgomery County is used for the connecting road between US 202 North and I-76 East)
- downgraded roads, such as when PA 82 was truncated in Elverson, the old PA 82 because SR 4082 in Chester County and SR 2082 in Berks County.

I don't think there are any permanent SR 6---roads, as those are supposed to be temporary...although there a SR 6011 for the old US 11 routing in Scranton...

...so, I'm thinking it will be one of the open SR 0_95s.  I guess we'll see?

[briantroutman]

^ I don't see any reason to expect they won't follow the precedent set by I-86 and I-99 (as I believe you mentioned earlier)–new I-295 will be assigned SR 0295, and the former PA 295 will retain its keystone shield publicly but renumbered internally.

[jcn]

Do you believe that all of this snow we've been having this month will cause the ramps to not open until 2019 now?  I feel like mother nature is doing this just to delay 95 becoming continuous even more.

[ixnay]

^ I don't see any reason to expect they won't follow the precedent set by I-86 and I-99 (as I believe you mentioned earlier)–new I-295 will be assigned SR 0295, and the former PA 295 will retain its keystone shield publicly but renumbered internally.

Like with hidden MD 295 and I-595 in MD, this is proof that you can fool the public as long as they want to be fooled. 

ixnay

[ixnay]

^ I don't see any reason to expect they won't follow the precedent set by I-86 and I-99 (as I believe you mentioned earlier)–new I-295 will be assigned SR 0295, and the former PA 295 will retain its keystone shield publicly but renumbered internally.

Like with hidden MD 295 and I-595 in MD, this is proof that you can fool the public as long as they want to be fooled. 

ixnay

Correction - MD 695.

ixnay