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dgolub

Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2025, 03:59:55 PMhttps://www.nj.com/news/2025/01/holland-tunnel-lane-reductions-will-make-it-safer-for-drivers-and-pedestrians-port-authority-says.html
Road diet for NJ Route 139 in Jersey City coming.

This is I-78, not NJ 139.  It's one of the few places where there are traffic lights on an interstate.  Also, the road diet will narrow from six lanes to four, while the widening of the turnpike extension will widen from two to three.  That means that, after everything is done, it will widen to four lanes for the traffic lights and then narrow down to two for the tunnel.  Given that there's no longer a toll plaza to meter the merge now that cashless tolling is in place, it might actually improve traffic.  I don't go through there particularly often, but I can say that cashless tolling left six lanes from I-295 and I-695 merging down to three on the Throgs Neck Bridge, and there are chronic traffic jams there now.


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My understanding was that NJ 139 was in an unsigned concurrency with I-78 into the Holland Tunnel.
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NJRoadfan

As per the NJ-139 SLDs:

MP 1.45 = Begin Coinc. With I-78 MP 66.51
MP 1.45-2.77 See I-78 MP 66.51-67.83

From I-78's SLD:

MP 66.49 = Begin Duplic. With NJ 139 MP=1.45
MP 67.83 = End Duplic. With NJ 139 MP=2.77
End I-78 MP=67.83

roadman65

Quote from: dgolub on January 18, 2025, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2025, 03:59:55 PMhttps://www.nj.com/news/2025/01/holland-tunnel-lane-reductions-will-make-it-safer-for-drivers-and-pedestrians-port-authority-says.html
Road diet for NJ Route 139 in Jersey City coming.

This is I-78, not NJ 139.  It's one of the few places where there are traffic lights on an interstate.  Also, the road diet will narrow from six lanes to four, while the widening of the turnpike extension will widen from two to three.  That means that, after everything is done, it will widen to four lanes for the traffic lights and then narrow down to two for the tunnel.  Given that there's no longer a toll plaza to meter the merge now that cashless tolling is in place, it might actually improve traffic.  I don't go through there particularly often, but I can say that cashless tolling left six lanes from I-295 and I-695 merging down to three on the Throgs Neck Bridge, and there are chronic traffic jams there now.

I read the article and locals say it's bad now. As far as traffic goes it's six into two and this will make it four into two.

The best solution is to freeway tize it, but that won't happen. However pedestrians are afraid to cross Twelfth Street due to the volume of cars the way it is now. Sounds like an amicable solution.

As far as I-78 vs NJ 139 there they are concurrent, though last time I was there neither route signed as typical NJDOT.
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dgolub

Quote from: roadman65 on January 18, 2025, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: dgolub on January 18, 2025, 08:52:33 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2025, 03:59:55 PMhttps://www.nj.com/news/2025/01/holland-tunnel-lane-reductions-will-make-it-safer-for-drivers-and-pedestrians-port-authority-says.html
Road diet for NJ Route 139 in Jersey City coming.

This is I-78, not NJ 139.  It's one of the few places where there are traffic lights on an interstate.  Also, the road diet will narrow from six lanes to four, while the widening of the turnpike extension will widen from two to three.  That means that, after everything is done, it will widen to four lanes for the traffic lights and then narrow down to two for the tunnel.  Given that there's no longer a toll plaza to meter the merge now that cashless tolling is in place, it might actually improve traffic.  I don't go through there particularly often, but I can say that cashless tolling left six lanes from I-295 and I-695 merging down to three on the Throgs Neck Bridge, and there are chronic traffic jams there now.

I read the article and locals say it's bad now. As far as traffic goes it's six into two and this will make it four into two.

The best solution is to freeway tize it, but that won't happen. However pedestrians are afraid to cross Twelfth Street due to the volume of cars the way it is now. Sounds like an amicable solution.

As far as I-78 vs NJ 139 there they are concurrent, though last time I was there neither route signed as typical NJDOT.

Fair enough on NJ 139, although I-78 is the more major route, so calling it just NJ 139 doesn't exactly seem right.

Fully agreed that removing the traffic lights altogether would be the best solution, but given that it's not happening, I'm not convinced that this is so horrible.

roadman65

I-78 is the major route, but the point is that the route between the split of the two route and the tunnel is made obvious ( in which I did).

It's like calling the Route 1 & 9 overlap either Route 1 or Route 9.  Both are truths and if you said take Route 1 between Elizabeth and Rahway I think the person you say it to would know what you mean.
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RobbieL2415

Quote from: roadman65 on January 20, 2025, 10:56:05 AMI-78 is the major route, but the point is that the route between the split of the two route and the tunnel is made obvious ( in which I did).

It's like calling the Route 1 & 9 overlap either Route 1 or Route 9.  Both are truths and if you said take Route 1 between Elizabeth and Rahway I think the person you say it to would know what you mean.

Do any locals just call it, " the one-nine"?

roadman65

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 20, 2025, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 20, 2025, 10:56:05 AMI-78 is the major route, but the point is that the route between the split of the two route and the tunnel is made obvious ( in which I did).

It's like calling the Route 1 & 9 overlap either Route 1 or Route 9.  Both are truths and if you said take Route 1 between Elizabeth and Rahway I think the person you say it to would know what you mean.

Do any locals just call it, " the one-nine"?

Shields now refer to it as US 1-9.

Except in Woodbridge where separate US 1 and US 9 shields still remain
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Sheryl Crowe

storm2k

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 20, 2025, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 20, 2025, 10:56:05 AMI-78 is the major route, but the point is that the route between the split of the two route and the tunnel is made obvious ( in which I did).

It's like calling the Route 1 & 9 overlap either Route 1 or Route 9.  Both are truths and if you said take Route 1 between Elizabeth and Rahway I think the person you say it to would know what you mean.

Do any locals just call it, " the one-nine"?

Traditionally, locals call it "1 and 9". We don't use the "the" in front of route numbers here. You talk about "Route (x)" so "Route 1 and 9". Our other pretty well known concurrency is 202-206 and you hear people call it two oh two two oh six.

roadman65

Quote from: storm2k on January 20, 2025, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 20, 2025, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 20, 2025, 10:56:05 AMI-78 is the major route, but the point is that the route between the split of the two route and the tunnel is made obvious ( in which I did).

It's like calling the Route 1 & 9 overlap either Route 1 or Route 9.  Both are truths and if you said take Route 1 between Elizabeth and Rahway I think the person you say it to would know what you mean.

Do any locals just call it, " the one-nine"?

Traditionally, locals call it "1 and 9". We don't use the "the" in front of route numbers here. You talk about "Route (x)" so "Route 1 and 9". Our other pretty well known concurrency is 202-206 and you hear people call it two oh two two oh six.

That includes interstates. Route 80, Route 287, etc.

When I moved down to Florida it was odd calling I-4 such as I always wanted to say Route 4.
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artmalk

Locals call it "Route 202 and 6."

roadman65

Quote from: artmalk on January 21, 2025, 08:39:41 PMLocals call it "Route 202 and 6."

What?

US 6 & 202 are in New York.
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Sheryl Crowe

storm2k

Quote from: artmalk on January 21, 2025, 08:39:41 PMLocals call it "Route 202 and 6."

As someone who drives on it nearly every single day and has lived here for nearly 40 years, I can assure you, no one calls it that.

epzik8

Is this the highest amount of county routes on one highway sign in America?

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TheGrassGuy

Any places in NJ that have had alternate county routes? I know Bergen County has had like 3 layers of county routes to varying degrees of signage. Middlesex County also used to have a system involving letters and numbers that then got replaced with the conventional 600 system, for which some signs linger. I think Hunterdon County may have also had one based on memories of early 2009-ish Google Maps (CR 629 = "Co Rd 5"? CR 513 = "RR 1"? CR 512 = "RR 2"?). No clue if those were ever signed.

To what extent were these documented?
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storm2k

Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 25, 2025, 04:47:26 PMAny places in NJ that have had alternate county routes? I know Bergen County has had like 3 layers of county routes to varying degrees of signage. Middlesex County also used to have a system involving letters and numbers that then got replaced with the conventional 600 system, for which some signs linger. I think Hunterdon County may have also had one based on memories of early 2009-ish Google Maps (CR 629 = "Co Rd 5"? CR 513 = "RR 1"? CR 512 = "RR 2"?). No clue if those were ever signed.

To what extent were these documented?

Monnmouth County still does. For example, there's 12-A in Middletown and 8-A and 8-B in Atlantic Highlands and Rumson.

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roadman65

Morris has ALT 511 that is really a spur, but signed as such.
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storm2k

I forgot a main one. Bloomfield Ave from Highland Ave in Glen Ridge all the way east to where it ends at 21 in Newark is 506 Spur after 506 follows Highland Ave a block north to Belleville Ave (where it continues also to 21, just up in Belleville).

Also, Somerset County used to have several spurs of its 5xx routes that they converted to 6xx routes in the late 90s. CR665 (Rattlesnake Bridge Rd) used to be 523 Spur, and is actually still signed as such from 78 (when these signs were replaced, they were done fully in kind so this old route designation remained even though it had changed its number before the sign was replaced). CR651 used to be 527 Spur and when they renumbered it, it became a once rare case of a 6xx route getting acknowledged on an interstate BGS (admittedly newer signing standards now mean more 6xx routes are getting signed on BGSs.

roadman65

The Parkway was acknowledging 600 routes for a bit, but then started to remove them ie. Exit 77 in Berkeley.
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roadman65

#4895
I heard a tanker overturned on I-295 in Bellmawr.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12LURApBNcg/

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/i-295-closed-bellmawr-overturned-tanker-new-jersey-detours/4088945/

At least it wasn't I-95 this time, but it's long over and happened on Saturday when it wasn't peak time.
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Sheryl Crowe

storm2k

Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2025, 03:22:55 AMThe Parkway was acknowledging 600 routes for a bit, but then started to remove them ie. Exit 77 in Berkeley.

The Highway Authority used to sign 6xx routes sometimes. Once they were merged into the Turnpike Authority, that stopped, because the Turnpike Authority doesn't sign anything other than Interstate/US/State routes on its signs in terms of shields.

roadman65

Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2025, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2025, 03:22:55 AMThe Parkway was acknowledging 600 routes for a bit, but then started to remove them ie. Exit 77 in Berkeley.

The Highway Authority used to sign 6xx routes sometimes. Once they were merged into the Turnpike Authority, that stopped, because the Turnpike Authority doesn't sign anything other than Interstate/US/State routes on its signs in terms of shields.

The Parkway still signs 500 series though.  Even though the Turnpike don't ( although the Hawks Bridge Road exit in Carneys Point on the SB side does sign CR 540) the GSP does.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

bzakharin

Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2025, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2025, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2025, 03:22:55 AMThe Parkway was acknowledging 600 routes for a bit, but then started to remove them ie. Exit 77 in Berkeley.

The Highway Authority used to sign 6xx routes sometimes. Once they were merged into the Turnpike Authority, that stopped, because the Turnpike Authority doesn't sign anything other than Interstate/US/State routes on its signs in terms of shields.

The Parkway still signs 500 series though.  Even though the Turnpike don't ( although the Hawks Bridge Road exit in Carneys Point on the SB side does sign CR 540) the GSP does.
There are NJTA-erected signs beyond the toll barrier that sign county routes, such as CR 514 at Exit 10

storm2k

Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2025, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: storm2k on January 29, 2025, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 28, 2025, 03:22:55 AMThe Parkway was acknowledging 600 routes for a bit, but then started to remove them ie. Exit 77 in Berkeley.

The Highway Authority used to sign 6xx routes sometimes. Once they were merged into the Turnpike Authority, that stopped, because the Turnpike Authority doesn't sign anything other than Interstate/US/State routes on its signs in terms of shields.

The Parkway still signs 500 series though.  Even though the Turnpike don't ( although the Hawks Bridge Road exit in Carneys Point on the SB side does sign CR 540) the GSP does.

That's on me, I should have included the 5xx routes, they have more or less adopted NJDOT's standard that the 5xx network is a series of state secondary highways, albeit maintained and signed by the counties (but why the numbers persist across county lines unlike the 6xx routes).



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