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Birmingham Northern Beltline (I-422, I-959)

Started by codyg1985, April 22, 2010, 09:10:09 AM

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codyg1985

Cody Goodman
Huntsville, AL, United States


froggie

So they'll get maybe 3 miles done?  Not worth it.

tjcreasy

Per the article, scheduled completion of the beltway is 2054, wow.

achilles765

Quote from: planxtymcgillicuddy on December 24, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 22, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
this sounds like the dumbest project ever.

North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Texas just said, "Hold my beer!"

Hey now, throwing Texas in there isn't fair,  All of our new routes make sense and serve a valid purpose. 
I love freeways and roads in any state but Texas will always be first in my heart

sprjus4

^ In fairness, as does most of North Carolina's.

I-74 south of Bolton might be the exception there, however... but I don't think that project will ever come to fruition.

Henry

Quote from: tjcreasy on August 26, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
Per the article, scheduled completion of the beltway is 2054, wow.
It started back in 2014, so the project's going to take 40 years. Forty, damn, YEARS!!!

By comparison, even the pre-1991 Interstates didn't take that long to be completed, and they were 42,500 miles compared to 52 miles for a northern loop around Birmingham.
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codyg1985

Quote from: Henry on August 26, 2021, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: tjcreasy on August 26, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
Per the article, scheduled completion of the beltway is 2054, wow.
It started back in 2014, so the project's going to take 40 years. Forty, damn, YEARS!!!

By comparison, even the pre-1991 Interstates didn't take that long to be completed, and they were 42,500 miles compared to 52 miles for a northern loop around Birmingham.

It's a combination of rugged terrain and lack of funding compared to before 1991 which is why they think it won't be until 2054 when it's done. Then you have to ask whether it's even worth the cost.

You could take the $350 million and widen a 20 to 30 mile or so stretch of I-65, which is badly needed.
Cody Goodman
Huntsville, AL, United States

I-55

I'm still scratching my head as to why the stretch started near Pinson still isn't done.
Transportation Engineer
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sprjus4

Quote from: codyg1985 on August 26, 2021, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 26, 2021, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: tjcreasy on August 26, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
Per the article, scheduled completion of the beltway is 2054, wow.
It started back in 2014, so the project's going to take 40 years. Forty, damn, YEARS!!!

By comparison, even the pre-1991 Interstates didn't take that long to be completed, and they were 42,500 miles compared to 52 miles for a northern loop around Birmingham.

It's a combination of rugged terrain and lack of funding compared to before 1991 which is why they think it won't be until 2054 when it's done. Then you have to ask whether it's even worth the cost.

You could take the $350 million and widen a 20 to 30 mile or so stretch of I-65, which is badly needed.
I believe the $350 million allocation is dedicated to the ADHS program exclusively, so you wouldn't be able to transfer to such project.

But if you could, the biggest need would probably be the I-10 Mobile River Bayway project.

Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: Henry on August 26, 2021, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: tjcreasy on August 26, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
Per the article, scheduled completion of the beltway is 2054, wow.
It started back in 2014, so the project's going to take 40 years. Forty, damn, YEARS!!!


That'll be slightly longer than I-476 in suburban Philly (37 years), but not as long as I-670 through Columbus (48 years)
Please, don't sue Alex & Andy over what I wrote above

seicer

#410
Well, I-64 in West Virginia was built between 1960 and 1988 - which is 48 years, too.

Hilariously off on my numbers  :pan:

Henry

Quote from: seicer on August 27, 2021, 07:10:37 PM
Well, I-64 in West Virginia was built between 1960 and 1988 - which is 48 years, too.
You misspoke a little; it only took 28 years for that to be completed.
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sparker

Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2021, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 27, 2021, 07:10:37 PM
Well, I-64 in West Virginia was built between 1960 and 1988 - which is 48 years, too.
You misspoke a little; it only took 28 years for that to be completed.

Hey, we Californians aren't slouches in that department, either.  The first section of I-5 (built after the Interstate legislation) opened in 1957; the last segment to be completed in the state wasn't until 1992.  35 years -- it would have likely been longer if the DOH hadn't prioritized getting the urban sections done as soon as possible, avoiding -- at least in greater L.A. and San Diego -- the controversies that doomed Interstate freeways elsewhere (this pertains to essentially all Interstate mileage in current D7/8/11/12). 


RoadWarrior56

It will take longer to construct the northern beltline than it took to construct the original entire US Interstate Highway System.  That signifies how long it takes to construct anything related to infrastructure anymore.  In any case, I likely won't be around to see its completion in 2054, as I would be age 98.

vdeane

Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on September 13, 2024, 06:38:01 AMIt will take longer to construct the northern beltline than it took to construct the original entire US Interstate Highway System.  That signifies how long it takes to construct anything related to infrastructure anymore.  In any case, I likely won't be around to see its completion in 2054, as I would be age 98.
Honestly, at the rate it's going, it's hard to tell whether 2054 is the entire route or just the portion that's currently being worked on.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Henry

Quote from: vdeane on September 13, 2024, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on September 13, 2024, 06:38:01 AMIt will take longer to construct the northern beltline than it took to construct the original entire US Interstate Highway System.  That signifies how long it takes to construct anything related to infrastructure anymore.  In any case, I likely won't be around to see its completion in 2054, as I would be age 98.
Honestly, at the rate it's going, it's hard to tell whether 2054 is the entire route or just the portion that's currently being worked on.
If you read a little bit more carefully, you'd see the following snippet:

"Alabama's Congressional delegation secured $489 million over the next five years, which will go toward constructing a four-lane, 10-mi. segment of the Northern Beltline that will connect U.S. Highway 31 near Gardendale to State Route 75 near Pinson. Construction of this 10-mi. segment is expected to be completed in 2028. Construction of the portion of the beltline that connects State Route 79 to State Route 75 is expected to be completed in 2026. The entire 52 mi. is scheduled to be finished by 2054."

So 2054 is referring to the whole thing, including I-222, which will act as a connector between the Beltline and I-22. Meanwhile, we could be driving 10 miles of it in four years. (And not that you were wondering, but I would turn 84 in 2054!)
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