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Started by vdeane, January 05, 2025, 03:07:54 PM

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vdeane

There was an interesting discussion (~10 minutes) on roadmeets in the roadwaywiz year in review, starting about an hour in.  I strongly disagree with his assertion that we need to "reign in" or change how roadmeets are planned.  Maybe roadwaywiz likes to do travel by the seat of his pants, but other people like to plan things out in advance (or need to for their jobs, as pointed out in the discussion).  I already have my 2025 travel plans 95% set in stone (and the remaining 5% is because I can't count on family to narrow stuff down until several months closer, much to my annoyance).  Heck, my Veterans Day trip, being planned only a couple weeks in advance (and only conceived as something I might do someday a month in advance), was spur of the moment by my standards (and only happened because Region 7 opened a bridge two months later than I had hoped)!

Seriously, what the hell?  If he likes to plan his life on short notice, that's fine, but don't force everyone else to conform to that.  Also interesting that the list of meets on the video is much shorter than the list on this thread.  It's as if he's appointed himself High Chancellor of Roadgeekdom or something.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.


Rothman

Yeesh.  What a disappointing conversation.  Although I have been critical of the state of things on this forum as much as anybody -- and indeed proudly moreso -- wrapping ourselves in the robes of some sort of elite clique of roadgeekery really isn't the answer, either.

I mean, how early on was the New Orleans meet announced?  Had to have been a decent number of months. I had to fly down there and had ample time to set things up, so that was fine the way it was, whatever it was.

Still, Roadwaywiz didn't come across well, despite my general respect for him.  For example: "#$&* the freakin' calendar is filled-up already with all of these 'do-nots' (?) who want to host road meets. I'm like, 'Alright, because, I'm sure you guys will do a better job than I will.  You know, we've got city meets on the calendar, like that's still a thing for some reason.  Like like like, what are we doing here?  You know, this is ridiculous!" or "You guys want to be politically correct and I want to find solutions and that's where the conflict is..."

That all said, despite the way he expressed himself, I do share his frustration, given the couple of disasters that we've had over the years of people popping up just with a glimpse of an idea in their heads and when it came down to brass tacks, they backed out of their intended meet -- one very particular and infamous case at the very last minute when people were already on their way there.

I still find the ballot idea restrictive, though.  I think the control can be as simple as: You announce something on the forum and take up a weekend with your announcement, you're obligated to hold the meet.  You don't, you become persona non grata on here ("Fool me once...").  That's all there is to it.  My own sense of responsibility or integrity is why I haven't organized any on my own: I don't feel like I'd do as good of a job as others hosting meets and I just don't have the energy or time to put the work into it.  Doesn't change the fact that I've got the idea for one hanging around the back of my mind, but am I going to announce it in any form before I absolutely know for sure I can pull it off or figure out a way that someone could help do so?  Heck no.  That's just common courtesy (acknowledging that "common" isn't usually recognized by our community...).

Also, I've come into the phase of my life and career where I can broaden my travels and fly out to far-flung meets from my home.  But, given that magical window of when flights are cheapest before their departure date (two to three months prior or whatever), yep, need advance notice.  Still need to get a time request in, too, as was also said in the cast.

Have to say I do like the menu of meets that end up on the calendar and being able to pick and choose which ones I want to attend.  Not sure what the beef is with the "city meets," but it seemed like a decent enough idea to me.  Getting together for a "crawfish lunch" or whatever other meal has been the highlight(s) of meets that I've been to.  Others may be the tour or whatever other infrastructure was seen.  Heck, although I've travelled around the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic as much as I've wanted to, I'm finding myself pulled back towards possibly attending recently proposed meets in this area just to see friends again, despite the logic of me only having limited time countering that sentimentality. :D

I suppose, when it comes down to it, Roadwaywiz used a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel or kid gloves.  Perhaps the cast should just be taken as a warning to those who announce meets that they'd better be people of their word.
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vdeane

Quote from: Rothman on January 05, 2025, 03:56:44 PMI think the control can be as simple as: You announce something on the forum and take up a weekend with your announcement, you're obligated to hold the meet.  You don't, you become persona non grata on here ("Fool me once...").  That's all there is to it.  My own sense of responsibility or integrity is why I haven't organized any on my own: I don't feel like I'd do as good of a job as others hosting meets and I just don't have the energy or time to put the work into it.  Doesn't change the fact that I've got the idea for one hanging around the back of my mind, but am I going to announce it in any form before I absolutely know for sure I can pull it off or figure out a way that someone could help do so?  Heck no.  That's just common courtesy (acknowledging that "common" isn't usually recognized by our community...).
Obviously shit happens last minute sometimes and can force someone to back down from something they otherwise had the will and ability to host, but both cases I can think of, the meet continued sans host (and Ottawa got a re-do a month later with the host and a couple of us who couldn't make the original date).  But there definitely have been those who just threw out dates even if they weren't in a position to commit, so overall this could be a good system.  I always keep to broad time periods until I'm ready to fully commit.
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Max Rockatansky

#3
Last year I rescheduled the Bakersfield Meet a month in advance of when I originally proposed it.  The reason I did it was that my wife's due date was suddenly within a week of the original meet date.  I didn't explicitly go into the detail about why the date was moved up, but I did tell those who messaged me. 

I know there has been some very infamous flake outs over the years with meets.  All the same valid on occasion valid reasons for changing things up do exist.  I'd hate for someone well respected in the hobby be ostracized over having to cancel or reschedule a meet over an unexpected big life event or actual personal emergency. 

My approach to meets is that I'll schedule them with an ample of notice.  Really I'm not super concerned if a crowd shows up or it is just a couple folks.   Fresno, Bakersfield and Reno were all about the ideal size for me in terms of meet attendance.  Scheduling crossover isn't as much of an issue for me given I'm out on the west coast.

Even short notice stuff can be fun.  In 2022 six of us got together on the fly at Florida Cracker Kitchen in Brooksville, Florida.  That particular venue and conversation was definitely meet-like even if it wasn't a formally scheduled event.

oscar

#4
Quote from: Rothman on January 05, 2025, 03:56:44 PMI mean, how early on was the New Orleans meet announced?  Had to have been a decent number of months.

Almost exactly eight months before the meet date on the Presidents' Day weekend. Though that made sense for something billed as a "national meet", which requires more advance planning for non-local attendees.

The NOLA meet had direct conflicts with two annual non-road meets I had greater interest in, that are always scheduled for the Presidents' Day weekend. But the longer lead time helped you, and other attendees as well.
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Rothman

Quote from: oscar on January 05, 2025, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 05, 2025, 03:56:44 PMI mean, how early on was the New Orleans meet announced?  Had to have been a decent number of months.

Almost exactly eight months before the meet date on the Presidents' Day weekend. Though that made sense for something billed as a "national meet", which requires more advance planning for non-local attendees.

The long lead time didn't help me, since the NOLA meet had direct conflicts with two annual non-road meets that are always scheduled for the Presidents' Day weekend, which for me knocked NOLA down to third place. But it helped you, and other attendees as well.

Although NOLA was marketed as a "National Meet," I see little difference between it and Sacramento.  Everyone was and is invited to both and both have/had a lot planned.

I mean, most of the country is west of me, so anything is going to be a fun trip for me west of whatever and that'll require some time for planning.  So, I think the much bigger problem is with people announcing meets and not following through over how much lead time is given with an announcement.

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cl94

There is absolutely nothing wrong with announcing and planning meets well in advance, nor is there one single way to hold a meet. Some people want a social event. Others want a rigid tour. The host gets to do what they want, and the community will decide if they want to attend future events held by the person in question. There can even be different preferences by region! For example, a lot of the western community is open to 2-day meets, because if everyone has to travel and there are only a couple of meets each year, it lets you combine two areas that are close-ish but not doable on a single day.

The hobby is (and always has been) what you make of it. Nobody has a monopoly on scheduling, nor can they tell others how to schedule or only let certain people host meets. The community does not have any set organization or power structure. "National meet", etc. are just marketing terms, anyway. I've been to plenty of meets not marketed as such with people from both coasts (such as my Reno meet, and likely the upcoming Sacramento meet).
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Max Rockatansky

#7
Just listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area.   

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.

corco

*yawn*

It truly does not matter when people announce meets and it's not worth getting in a tizzy about one person's opinion which that person didn't even post on the forum.

Personally I'm more likely to make things with more advance notice.

SSOWorld

Broke the derail out - continue your discussion here instead.
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SSOWorld

Whatever people want to do is up to them. There was a political pull here. One tried to enforce an opinion upon the community, but that is not up to that person to decide how meet announcements should work. Since I'm not organizing meets anymore much less going to any unless they're standing out in my view...

I'll see myself out.
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

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Alps

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 07:32:30 PMJust listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area. 

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.
No, I did not say that. I was saying that these things can be planned out in advance. I am actually considering attending the Sacramento meet.

Max Rockatansky

#12
Quote from: Alps on January 05, 2025, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 07:32:30 PMJust listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area. 

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.
No, I did not say that. I was saying that these things can be planned out in advance. I am actually considering attending the Sacramento meet.

Gotcha.  I think we have a good lineup for Sacramento planned out.  I have to start looking into tickets coming up pretty soon for As/Mets game. 

All the same a AZ 88, Claypool Tunnel or both at once meet seems like a pretty kick ass idea to me down the line. 

hbelkins

#13
I feel picked on here. I haven't listened to or watched the video in question, but does anyone think I wanted to end up in excruciating pain and unable to walk back in 2017, or ended up being overprescribed industrial strength ibuprofen and suffered acute kidney failure and thus had to miss my own New River Gorge meet? At least I tried to cancel it with enough advance warning to let everyone know.

Not all meets are scheduled on this forum. Several people use only Facebook to plan and announce their meets. And A.J.'s city meets aren't my thing, but they seem to be fairly popular and people seem to like them.

It (road meets) ain't broke. Don't try to fix it.
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Max Rockatansky

#14
I'm pretty sure the reference people are eluding to here is that debacle in Florida a couple years ago.

cl94

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 05, 2025, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 07:32:30 PMJust listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area. 

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.
No, I did not say that. I was saying that these things can be planned out in advance. I am actually considering attending the Sacramento meet.

Gotcha.  I think we have a good lineup for Sacramento planned out.  I have to start looking into tickets coming up pretty soon for As/Mets game. 

All the same a AZ 88, Claypool Tunnel or both at once meet seems like a pretty kick ass idea to me down the line. 

I think there is still a crapton of low-hanging fruit in California, so may as well do the "easy" stuff that requires little scouting to get people out west interested in meets. Sacramento is too easy to not do, with the interesting sights concentrated in 2-3 places. As long as we aren't making people cross the Yolo Causeway, which was a massive mess yesterday PM in both directions. Not to say that I wouldn't like an excuse to visit Arizona again, but the "close" stuff where I don't need to take more than half a day off is nice.

That's the really nice thing about hosting meets in places that have little meet history: everything is new, so there's nothing that was "already visited" on a meet.
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Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2025, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 05, 2025, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 07:32:30 PMJust listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area. 

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.
No, I did not say that. I was saying that these things can be planned out in advance. I am actually considering attending the Sacramento meet.

Gotcha.  I think we have a good lineup for Sacramento planned out.  I have to start looking into tickets coming up pretty soon for As/Mets game. 

All the same a AZ 88, Claypool Tunnel or both at once meet seems like a pretty kick ass idea to me down the line. 

I think there is still a crapton of low-hanging fruit in California, so may as well do the "easy" stuff that requires little scouting to get people out west interested in meets. Sacramento is too easy to not do, with the interesting sights concentrated in 2-3 places. As long as we aren't making people cross the Yolo Causeway, which was a massive mess yesterday PM in both directions. Not to say that I wouldn't like an excuse to visit Arizona again, but the "close" stuff where I don't need to take more than half a day off is nice.

That's the really nice thing about hosting meets in places that have little meet history: everything is new, so there's nothing that was "already visited" on a meet.

And to that end Monterey-Salinas is probably what I'll be hoisting in 2026.  That fortunately is a in cooler/milder climate and more viable for change up of typical months.

cl94

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2025, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 05, 2025, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 07:32:30 PMJust listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area. 

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.
No, I did not say that. I was saying that these things can be planned out in advance. I am actually considering attending the Sacramento meet.

Gotcha.  I think we have a good lineup for Sacramento planned out.  I have to start looking into tickets coming up pretty soon for As/Mets game. 

All the same a AZ 88, Claypool Tunnel or both at once meet seems like a pretty kick ass idea to me down the line. 

I think there is still a crapton of low-hanging fruit in California, so may as well do the "easy" stuff that requires little scouting to get people out west interested in meets. Sacramento is too easy to not do, with the interesting sights concentrated in 2-3 places. As long as we aren't making people cross the Yolo Causeway, which was a massive mess yesterday PM in both directions. Not to say that I wouldn't like an excuse to visit Arizona again, but the "close" stuff where I don't need to take more than half a day off is nice.

That's the really nice thing about hosting meets in places that have little meet history: everything is new, so there's nothing that was "already visited" on a meet.

And to that end Monterey-Salinas is probably what I'll be hoisting in 2026.  That fortunately is a in cooler/milder climate and more viable for change up of typical months.

Do. It. As long as it isn't a big event weekend, June or something is a perfect time for Monterey.
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hbelkins

#18
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:46:43 PMI'm pretty sure the reference people are eluding to here is that debacle in Florida a couple years ago.

I thought that as well, but I got a distinct "if you've ever had to cancel a meet, you're dead meat" vibe from it.

And when I went to click on the link to watch the video. that post had disappeared, along with several responses. Go figure.

Matching subject to topic --sso
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#19
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2025, 10:05:21 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2025, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 05, 2025, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 07:32:30 PMJust listened to the episode.  I think it was Alps that said I should get another state as opposed to doing another California meet?  Channeling my Arizona residency years I do have that whole AZ 88/Apache Trail idea in mind for whenever Fish Creek Hill is fully repaired.  That might one of the few mountain roads I can think of that can compete Caliente-Bodfish Road from the Bakersfield Meet in terms of intensity.  To my knowledge I don't believe a dirt State Highway has ever been part of a meet?

The Apache Trail idea isn't all that far fetched as it might sound.  I ran several car club events out there and Tortilla Flat is a built in meet up place to have a meal.  The Old Claypool Tunnel, the Superior-Globe Highway, US 60 and the Miami Burger House are another easy layup for a meet in the same general area. 

Of course I'm not actually committing to this, that whole AZ 88 corridor has a way to go before it is reliable for basic low clearance cars again.
No, I did not say that. I was saying that these things can be planned out in advance. I am actually considering attending the Sacramento meet.

Gotcha.  I think we have a good lineup for Sacramento planned out.  I have to start looking into tickets coming up pretty soon for As/Mets game. 

All the same a AZ 88, Claypool Tunnel or both at once meet seems like a pretty kick ass idea to me down the line. 

I think there is still a crapton of low-hanging fruit in California, so may as well do the "easy" stuff that requires little scouting to get people out west interested in meets. Sacramento is too easy to not do, with the interesting sights concentrated in 2-3 places. As long as we aren't making people cross the Yolo Causeway, which was a massive mess yesterday PM in both directions. Not to say that I wouldn't like an excuse to visit Arizona again, but the "close" stuff where I don't need to take more than half a day off is nice.

That's the really nice thing about hosting meets in places that have little meet history: everything is new, so there's nothing that was "already visited" on a meet.

And to that end Monterey-Salinas is probably what I'll be hoisting in 2026.  That fortunately is a in cooler/milder climate and more viable for change up of typical months.

Do. It. As long as it isn't a big event weekend, June or something is a perfect time for Monterey.

Irony being the star of the show I have in mind isn't the Bixby Bridge but rather the San Juan Grade which carried pre-1932 US 101.  That to my knowledge is the longest Portland Cement surfaced road still fully open to traffic.  The Old Ridge Route is longer but not normally fully accessible.

Rothman

Quote from: hbelkins on January 05, 2025, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 05, 2025, 09:46:43 PMI'm pretty sure the reference people are eluding to here is that debacle in Florida a couple years ago.

I thought that as well, but I got a distinct "if you've ever had to cancel a meet, you're dead meat" vibe from it.


I'm making the T-shirts as we speak. :D

There have to be consequences for those people that say, "Oh, I'm thinking about a meet in X this year" and then disappear or "Uh, I know I said I'd have a meet organized in a couple of weeks, but I just can't now."  That's really the crux of the problem.
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Laura

I was asked to be on that episode and really wished I didn't have a scheduling conflict because my opinion of the matter sharply contrasts RoadwayWiz's (Dan's) opinion.

The thing I think is really special about our community is that anyone who wants to plan a roadmeet can plan one. As a nerdy quirky girl on the autism spectrum who has always been overlooked for leadership positions, hosting roadmeets was really my first chance to be able to lead something. I've not always been successful - some meets too short or too long or uninteresting - but I'd like to think that at the end of the day I've been able to share my love of Maryland roads (and roads in nearby states!) with everyone, and being able to do that has brought me a lot of joy. I've been thankful that you all have showed me a lot of grace, especially when I ended up delaying the Cumberland meet for two years. I've made a lot of wonderful friendships through meets and this community and am so grateful.

I also think the City meet concept is great because it provides a "choose your own adventure" style roadmeet. So many people have different experiences with places - the people who have been to a city multiple times may not want to see the same things as someone who is visiting for the first time. I've considered having a Baltimore "City meet" as one of the options as the new Key Bridge is being built.

I don't see an issue with scheduling meets more than six months in advance. My entire summer has been scheduled due to summer camp registrations opening at the beginning of January. I have very limited time off due to chronic health issues so I have to be incredibly strategic about non-sick leave.

I want to love and include as many people as possible in our community. I want them to be able to share their love of roads in the way that makes sense to them. I don't believe in yucking someone's yum. It's okay if our calendar is full of events - people will generally work it out amongst themselves to avoid conflicting overlaps (like Valerie and I are doing with our summer meets). The more participation in our community the merrier!

Rothman

*watches someone eat kale*

Must not yuck their yum...must not yuck their yum...ewwwwwww...
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Brandon

I'm going to radically disagree with Wiz here, after listening to that discussion and side with Laura.  We already have a decent way of doing this and the hosting of road meets does not need any regulation whatsoever.

The whole point of the thread is to put out ideas, and not every one will pan out.  Sometimes people have schedules change or life changes.  Even with that, most road meet ideas come to fruition anyway.  Others should not be dictating to anyone who does a road meet where and when.
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hbelkins

I finally listened to the pertinent part of the video and am appalled at the unbridled arrogance of Roadwaywiz. To think that he can dictate who can plan a meet, who can organize a meet, how many meets can be organized, how far in advance they can be scheduled, that the forum should vote on who gets to hold meets, is the height of hubris. Who makes him the arbiter of such things? How's he going to enforce this on Facebook, on what's left of m.t.r, or anywhere else? This reeks of the "East Coast Hive Mind" mentality that we used to rip Calrog for criticizing. It sounds like he wants to turn meets into his own little clique.

As I said before, it (road meets) ain't broke. It doesn't need fixing.

Roadwaywiz should delete that embarrassing portion of the video, forget he ever said it, and hang his head in shame.
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