NY 17/"I-86"

[02 Park Ave]

1) There is a stoplight where the lanes from the Thruway merge with 32 NB, so traffic from either one would have no problem getting to a ramp on the opposite side
 

Is one permitted to turn right on red at this location?  There is no sign prohibiting it yet most drivers don't do it.  I do it though.

[abqtraveler]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCXXbCBumrH/?img_index=1

I-86 is now officially extended east to Exit 67, per NYSDOT's Instagram account.

Out with the old, in with the new! A 32-mile stretch of State Route 17 in Broome and Tioga counties has been officially designated as Interstate 86. The portion between Exit 60 in Waverly and Exit 67 in Endicott was modernized to meet interstate standards and enhance safety and resiliency. It's a big win for Southern Tier travelers!

So there are still a few miles to go, to close the gap. Is that because of the skinny bridges over the Sequehanna River?

I think that and a few interchanges that need to be reconfigured to bring them up to interstate standards.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/eqf6o1sSV5H3j1bE6
I see that the traffic signals at the I-86/ US 220 interchange is a NY install despite being in Pennsylvania.

[Henry]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCXXbCBumrH/?img_index=1

I-86 is now officially extended east to Exit 67, per NYSDOT's Instagram account.

Out with the old, in with the new! A 32-mile stretch of State Route 17 in Broome and Tioga counties has been officially designated as Interstate 86. The portion between Exit 60 in Waverly and Exit 67 in Endicott was modernized to meet interstate standards and enhance safety and resiliency. It's a big win for Southern Tier travelers!

So there are still a few miles to go, to close the gap. Is that because of the skinny bridges over the Sequehanna River?

I think that and a few interchanges that need to be reconfigured to bring them up to interstate standards.

It would make sense to finish the remainder to I-81 before working on the part leading to I-87.

And it's not Sequehanna, it's Susquehanna.

[webny99]

I am puzzled by one aspect of the new diverging diamond interchange at NY 17/Future I-86 and NY 32 in Woodbury. Going north on 32 out of the interchange, there are two ways to access Nininger Road - a left turn across oncoming traffic, or a loop ramp to the right. Why do both of these exist?
...

Why was the left turn across oncoming traffic ever built here, when the ramp on the right could've handled the same job just fine? 

In short, funneling all traffic through one roundabout is not sustainable during peak traffic periods, so even though it is an odd configuration, it's important to have redundancy via a second access point to keep traffic flowing through the area.

Here's a screen shot of current traffic conditions (just past 9:30 AM on Black Friday) for some additional perspective on why a second access point is needed during peak traffic periods. Just imagine how much worse it would be if all traffic heading west on Nininger Rd towards Monroe had to funnel through the roundabout on the Woodbury side.

[webny99]

... and now the ramp from US 6 to NY 17/32 is closed to control traffic entering Woodbury. Anyone looking to get from the Long Mountain traffic circle to Woodbury is looking at a minimum of 45 minutes for a 7-mile journey that can usually be done in less than 15 minutes.

There's also a 13-minute delay for northbound Thruway traffic exiting at Harriman.

[WNYroadgeek]

Google Maps (with apologies to NE2) has not been updated and still shows NY 17 riding solo between Exits 61 and 71.

Google Maps is up to date now.

[dantheman]

I am puzzled by one aspect of the new diverging diamond interchange at NY 17/Future I-86 and NY 32 in Woodbury. Going north on 32 out of the interchange, there are two ways to access Nininger Road - a left turn across oncoming traffic, or a loop ramp to the right. Why do both of these exist?
...

Why was the left turn across oncoming traffic ever built here, when the ramp on the right could've handled the same job just fine? 

In short, funneling all traffic through one roundabout is not sustainable during peak traffic periods, so even though it is an odd configuration, it's important to have redundancy via a second access point to keep traffic flowing through the area.

Here's a screen shot of current traffic conditions (just past 9:30 AM on Black Friday) for some additional perspective on why a second access point is needed during peak traffic periods. Just imagine how much worse it would be if all traffic heading west on Nininger Rd towards Monroe had to funnel through the roundabout on the Woodbury side.

This makes a lot of sense... didn't think of the sheer volume that would end up on that ramp during peak shopping periods. And good idea to look at real-time traffic on Black Friday. I was tied up in family stuff all day and probably wouldn't have thought of it even if I was in front of a computer.

[dzheng35]

I noticed the new designation in Tioga County between Exit 61 and Exit 67. Did they seriously allow the few substandard bridges in the Broome County section between the Tioga/Broome County Line and exit 67 like the one here: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.088386,-76.0539354,3a,75y,77.31h,69.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sRA8zvGFINrRiCM5ot_5YbQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D20.585551061798597%26panoid%3DRA8zvGFINrRiCM5ot_5YbQ%26yaw%3D77.31351802053084!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEyNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

If so, then why don't they allow the rest of the segment to be designated as well unless there are other outstanding issues between exit 67 and I-81. If so, what are they?

[vdeane]

If so, then why don't they allow the rest of the segment to be designated as well unless there are other outstanding issues between exit 67 and I-81. If so, what are they?

My understanding is that the issue there is something to do with exit 68.

[dzheng35]

If so, then why don't they allow the rest of the segment to be designated as well unless there are other outstanding issues between exit 67 and I-81. If so, what are they?

My understanding is that the issue there is something to do with exit 68.

I thought they originally said exit 67 had some issues too but I guess not.

[dzheng35]

It looks like they're going to do some work in Sullivan County. The DOT project map shows two projects that will improve interchanges 103, 104, and 107 in development right now under PINs 906803 and 906802.


https://www.dot.ny.gov/projects

[Rothman]

It looks like they're going to do some work in Sullivan County. The DOT project map shows two projects that will improve interchanges 103, 104, and 107 in development right now under PINs 906803 and 906802.


https://www.dot.ny.gov/projects

Thank you for the generic link to Projects in Your Neighborhood (a/k/a WEPI).

[dzheng35]

Any updates with Hale Eddy on design or is that project cancelled yet again.

[vdeane]

The NYSDOT Freight Plan Implementation Plan has a few more in the medium/long-term projects table (the ones that aren't funded at this time).  If all of those got done (in however many decades), it would finish I-86 from Hancock east.  I wonder if the NY 17 over Susquehanna River bridge project would take care of whatever is needed between exits 67 and 71.

[dzheng35]

The NYSDOT Freight Plan Implementation Plan has a few more in the medium/long-term projects table (the ones that aren't funded at this time).  If all of those got done (in however many decades), it would finish I-86 from Hancock east.  I wonder if the NY 17 over Susquehanna River bridge project would take care of whatever is needed between exits 67 and 71.

1. I remember the previous one mentioning improving interchange 67. Did the feds grant an exception on that after the newest i-86 that ends at that exit designation.

2. What about the exit 79-84 section? I don't see anything besides the exit 83 exit ramp replacement.
 
3. I don't see Hale Eddy on the list anywhere, but it's listed on the STIP. What's the deal with that?

[Rothman]

Freight Plan is simply for projects expected to receive National Highway Freight Program funding.  That's all that's for.  It is not a comprehensive list of intended projects, nor is it a strict plan in terms of schedule or cost.

Public has to go by the Projects in Your Neighborhood, their local TIP (if applicable) or STIP for the party line on project status.

(personal opinion emphasized)

[TheDon102]

The NYSDOT Freight Plan Implementation Plan has a few more in the medium/long-term projects table (the ones that aren't funded at this time).  If all of those got done (in however many decades), it would finish I-86 from Hancock east.  I wonder if the NY 17 over Susquehanna River bridge project would take care of whatever is needed between exits 67 and 71.

I see something quite interesting unrelated to Route 17.... "Mid-Hudson Reconstruction and Capacity Improvements from MP
18.0 to 24.0 $300,000,000 NYSTA" . Is the NYSTA widening the thruway betwween Nyack and the Garden State Parkway connector?

[dzheng35]

This was from a public meeting board posted on the route 17 dot website.

https://www.route17.dot.ny.gov/docs/Rt%2017%20EIS_Exit%20114%20Open%20House_Boards.pdf

Just curious to hear your thoughts, what alternative for exit 114 do you prefer since that's been quite a controversial exit that people are protesting to keep open despite DOT's initial plans to close the interchange.

[seicer]

Eliminate exits 114 and 115. Both are partial interchanges. It's 2.4 miles between Exit 113 and Exit 114, and 2.1 miles between Exit 114 and Exit 115, and a half mile between Exit 115 and Exit 116. In total, that's roughly five miles between Exit 113 and 116, which is not a far distance for rural interchange spacing.

[webny99]

This was from a public meeting board posted on the route 17 dot website.

https://www.route17.dot.ny.gov/docs/Rt%2017%20EIS_Exit%20114%20Open%20House_Boards.pdf

Just curious to hear your thoughts, what alternative for exit 114 do you prefer since that's been quite a controversial exit that people are protesting to keep open despite DOT's initial plans to close the interchange.

Decent variety of alternatives here! I don't see a ton of point to Exit 114 so I'd be OK with removing it or making it emergency access only, but if it is kept, I would like to see one of the full interchange options. I'm just not a fan of partial interchanges in general and NY 17 has too many already. The combined Exit 114/115 option is probably the best of the bunch.

I do think Exit 115 has quite a bit of value for communities north and east of Bloomingburg, including Whispering Pines, Burlingham, Pine Bush, Walker Valley, etc.. Traffic in Bloomingburg would get worse if that exit was removed, so I would even go so far as to say it would make sense to have a full interchange there, or an interchange combined with Exit 114 as mentioned above.

[bmitchelf]

This was from a public meeting board posted on the route 17 dot website.

https://www.route17.dot.ny.gov/docs/Rt%2017%20EIS_Exit%20114%20Open%20House_Boards.pdf

Just curious to hear your thoughts, what alternative for exit 114 do you prefer since that's been quite a controversial exit that people are protesting to keep open despite DOT's initial plans to close the interchange.

I'm interested in why the Hale Eddy section on page 7 is colored purple. Is there an actual plan out there, or does that just mean they know what they need to upgrade? I haven't seen a specific project.

They also have 99 continuing as an interstate across the state line into PA, but I'm sure that's just an oversight.

[The Ghostbuster]

Hale Eddy is the segment I am most interested in as well. I can live with whatever upgrades are chosen for the remainder of the NY 17/Future Interstate 86 corridor.

[Rothman]

Pfft.  Hale Eddy to Hancock has been in the works for years.  Not sure what the actual schedule is now.  Had a consultant tell me his firm was working on the PS&E.

At this point, unless I hear the schedule directly from the RPPM's mouth, I'm not believing anything.

(personal opinion emphasized)

[seicer]

http://www.nysdot.gov/haleeddy no longer works. Are the project plans posted somewhere? They indicated a preferred alternative.