I know there are a lot of minor annoyances. I'm wondering from everyone now what your MAJOR annoyances in sports are. That one thing that rubs you so wrong, you want to chuck your remote at the TV, or cuss at it, however that goes.
When refs throw the flag too much. Let them play, ain't nobody wants to see a million penalties.
When a play-by-play calls anyone a "hero" or "heroic". Unless it was Jim Rice running into the stands to help a child railed by a line drive 40 years ago, it's misguided to use.
Quote from: SectorZ on May 01, 2021, 08:36:01 PM
When a play-by-play calls anyone a "hero" or "heroic". Unless it was Jim Rice running into the stands to help a child railed by a line drive 40 years ago, it's misguided to use.
I don't see a problem as long as it's a spectacular play. Just don't overuse it.
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Hey we don't even have Brady anymore!
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Hey we don't even have Brady anymore!
I will always and forever hate football for how New England ruined it.
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Hey we don't even have Brady anymore!
I will always and forever hate football for how New England ruined it.
Jealous
Baseball: The designated hitter
Football: Brady - and the patriots (yes they separated, but they both are still on my shitlist)
Basketball: I second alps on the dragging out of the game through fouling, but the worst is the goddam possession arrow. Whatever happened to the randomness of the jump ball? If this is necessary, it should then be known that Hockey should drop face-offs and go with a restart as similar as possible to the out-of-bounds throw-in of soccer or basketball with possession arrows.
Speaking of futbol - Flopping.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Hey we don't even have Brady anymore!
I will always and forever hate football for how New England ruined it.
Jealous
Yeah, hating football has made my life easier. You should try it. Start by hating Belicheat.
When overtime in another sport is not accounted for in the TV broadcast, bumping the next game to another channel that no one has. Looking at you, NASCAR and baseball.
Soccer: MLS has, until recently, not disclosed actual kickoff times for games. At least this season they've started listing times.
Also soccer: Lack of adequate coverage on sports talk radio despite comparable fandom sizes in the Seattle metro area.
At this point I'm not sure if Alps is joking, or looking for a reason to hate the Patriots. Either way it's funny how hard he tries.
Major?
NCAA - The constant yammer about paying the players. Anybody who has gone to college, particularly in health care or gotten an advanced degree knows that uncompensated work for the school is part of it. Difference being the reward at the end is not millions of $$, but just a job. The main point is if the PC talking heads at ESPN, et al, really believe the idiocy they are spewing, then maybe they should stop being a part of the system, and find a real job.
MLB - The whole idea that the game needs sped up, modified, whatever. Nope.
Pacific Time Zone - 16% of people live there. 76% live in the eastern or central. First pitch in playoff baseball, World Series, playoffs in other sports, anything really, should be 7 ET. No exceptions.
Sunday Night Football - Late afternoon game starts at 4:25 ET. 4:25 + 3 = 7:25. The game starts a 8:25. An hour of filler programming and highlights of games we just watched. Totally kills the buzz. Start SNF at 8:00.
I can't stand the runner on 2nd for extra innings or the 7 inning doubleheaders I think both are stupid for baseball.
For hockey I love the sport the way it is. I love the Original Six teams even though I'm a Blackhawks fan I'll support one of the other five Original Six teams if the Hawks have been knocked out of the playoffs and one of the other five Original Six teams are still involved in that years playoffs. I've rooted for Boston and Detroit a lot of times and it's the only sport I will watch until the end even if my team isn't in it. In the other sports I stop watching as soon as my team's season is done.
For football I can't stand the Patriots and I'm a University of Michigan fan that can't figure out why everyone loves Tom Brady so much. I don't like him at all and I hate the Patriots.
The only team I actually hate is the Chicago Cubs because I can't for the life of me figure out the love affair for that team regardless of their exposure on WGN and Wrigley Field being Wrigley Field I never understand what was so special about that place or the team. I had always liked the White Sox and when Frank Thomas came aboard in 1990 it was over for me I became a diehard White Sox fan.
Steve Lyons pulling his pants down to dust them off at Tiger Stadium on Monday Night Baseball was classic. I was at the game.
Quote from: thspfc on May 02, 2021, 08:56:21 AM
At this point I'm not sure if Alps is joking, or looking for a reason to hate the Patriots. Either way it's funny how hard he tries.
Go Tuck Rule yourself
Quote from: thspfc on May 02, 2021, 08:56:21 AM
At this point I'm not sure if Alps is joking, or looking for a reason to hate the Patriots. Either way it's funny how hard he tries.
I think he's a Jets fan.
My major annoyance is the cost to park in the stadium lot. I think that's a minimum of $30 at just about every major league baseball park that has its own lot, often more, and nearby private lots usually save only a little. Multiply that by 81 home dates and by X,000 cars per night in the lot, man what a racket to be in.
Quote from: gonealookin on May 02, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
My major annoyance is the cost to park in the stadium lot. I think that's a minimum of $30 at just about every major league baseball park that has its own lot, often more, and nearby private lots usually save only a little. Multiply that by 81 home dates and by X,000 cars per night in the lot, man what a racket to be in.
Isn't parking in the city always expensive?
The way American sports are set up. It doesn't give any chances for smaller cities to become world famous just because they have a team in a major league, like it happens in Europe. Huesca, Spain is one example, but perhaps the most prominent one is Hoffenheim, Germany; an otherwise unremarkable village without even its own council, instead depending on neighboring Sinsheim.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on May 02, 2021, 05:14:44 PM
My major annoyance is the cost to park in the stadium lot. I think that's a minimum of $30 at just about every major league baseball park that has its own lot, often more, and nearby private lots usually save only a little. Multiply that by 81 home dates and by X,000 cars per night in the lot, man what a racket to be in.
Isn't parking in the city always expensive?
Many businesses trying to attract customers offer some sort of offset for the parking...such as "Park in the 3rd Avenue Garage and we'll give you validation for 2 hours free parking with a minimum $25 purchase". No such deal at a stadium; you have to pay full fare for the parking even before you get an opportunity to relax in your $75 seat with a $15 beer.
Applicable to all sports: When officiating is inconsistent within a single game. I can make some allowance for different officials seeing things differently in different games, but if you're going to call something as a penalty on one team, call it the same way when the other team does the same thing.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 02, 2021, 05:28:04 PM
The way American sports are set up. It doesn't give any chances for smaller cities to become world famous just because they have a team in a major league, like it happens in Europe. Huesca, Spain is one example, but perhaps the most prominent one is Hoffenheim, Germany; an otherwise unremarkable village without even its own council, instead depending on neighboring Sinsheim.
Green Bay, Wisconsin :wave:
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 02, 2021, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 02, 2021, 05:28:04 PM
The way American sports are set up. It doesn't give any chances for smaller cities to become world famous just because they have a team in a major league, like it happens in Europe. Huesca, Spain is one example, but perhaps the most prominent one is Hoffenheim, Germany; an otherwise unremarkable village without even its own council, instead depending on neighboring Sinsheim.
Green Bay, Wisconsin :wave:
A legacy from a different time.
My major annoyance is when a certain start quarterback makes it known that he no longer wants to play for his team because he feels slighted by said team over a draft pick last year that he wasn't consulted on. Look, the GM and the coach run the team, not the player. You just had the season of your life, so obviously it motivated you. Your team was a couple plays one way or the other from making the Super Bowl, so suck it up, buttercup, get back out there, and lead your team back to the promised land. You're only one member of the team. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the drama going on in the media about it all. It wouldn't surprise me if either a reporter looking to break the next big story spilled something he shouldn't have, or if it was said player's agent trying to blow things up in hopes of a new contract. Even though the GM and coach have said they've made trips to meet with the player, so there must be a little something going on, but the player hasn't even made a public statement yet. Let's just wait to hear what he says, shall we?
The debate between "best" and "most deserving" (players, teams, etc). Mathematically, a "best" team/player would be the same thing as a "most deserving" (i.e. the team at the top of the league standings, or division standings, etc). But media acts as if they are the arbiter of truth, and that their opinion of which team is "best" has any relevance and can be compared to the mathematical best team (which the media instead calls "most deserving").
And especially in college sports, margin of victory should not even be part of that debate. The goal of a game is to win, not to arbitrarily score as many points as possible. That's why I always supported the BCS policy that BCS computer rankings must ignore margin of victory.
Quote from: tchafe1978 on May 02, 2021, 11:00:58 PM
My major annoyance is when a certain start quarterback makes it known that he no longer wants to play for his team because he feels slighted by said team over a draft pick last year that he wasn't consulted on. Look, the GM and the coach run the team, not the player. You just had the season of your life, so obviously it motivated you. Your team was a couple plays one way or the other from making the Super Bowl, so suck it up, buttercup, get back out there, and lead your team back to the promised land. You're only one member of the team. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the drama going on in the media about it all. It wouldn't surprise me if either a reporter looking to break the next big story spilled something he shouldn't have, or if it was said player's agent trying to blow things up in hopes of a new contract. Even though the GM and coach have said they've made trips to meet with the player, so there must be a little something going on, but the player hasn't even made a public statement yet. Let's just wait to hear what he says, shall we?
You just
Love to see it.
The fact that sports are so important to some people that they simply refuse to accept that you may not be interested in their game of choice, and are so wrapped up in it that they have nothing to talk to you about if you aren't. Same people often assume that random service employees keep abreast of games that are happening that day and act offended if you can't regurgitate the score to whatever random game they were interested in.
People that get in a pissy mood and treat people around them like shit when their team loses.
The fact that pro sports is essentially "pick which company you want to do well". It would be weird as hell if you cheered on Amazon or Target, so why is it a thing to sit around and hope that Dallas Cowboys Football Club, Ltd. does better than New England Patriots LLC?
The NCAA, in general.
The fact that during Saturdays in the fall the entire west half of my city, and most of the businesses in town, are inaccessible due to traffic from football. (It's just football, too. These same people are nowhere to be found for basketball games or, god forbid, something like softball or swim meets.)
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US. I've seen sports interfere with education time and time again, from teachers tweaking grades to keep star players eligible to classes outright being canceled in deference of sports games. They should be separate organizations entirely, and not be a drain on the scant resources schools are given.
Punting on 4th & 1.
Players that squeeze every dime out of a team then wonder why they can't afford any players to help them.
People who cannot accept Brady's greatness. Quits and goes to a new team, starts over, wins it all, everyone still complains.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports are so important to some people that they simply refuse to accept that you may not be interested in their game of choice, and are so wrapped up in it that they have nothing to talk to you about if you aren't. Same people often assume that random service employees keep abreast of games that are happening that day and act offended if you can't regurgitate the score to whatever random game they were interested in.
"Don't tell me what to do with my free time"
QuoteThe fact that pro sports is essentially "pick which company you want to do well". It would be weird as hell if you cheered on Amazon or Target, so why is it a thing to sit around and hope that Dallas Cowboys Football Club, Ltd. does better than New England Patriots LLC?
"Here's what you shouldn't do in your free time"
Congratulations, this clownish post means that your opinion on sports will not be of value to me.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
It would be weird as hell if you cheered on Amazon or Target, so why is it a thing to sit around and hope that Dallas Cowboys Football Club, Ltd. does better than New England Patriots LLC?
There are several reasons to root for a regular company:
1. You work for it or have worked for it.
2. You own stock in it.
3. You really dislike a competitor (whether it's because you had a bad experience or because of boycotts).
I'm in favor of Southwest Airlines, Amtrak, Apple, Costco, Trader Joe's, 99 Restaurants, Barnes & Noble, and Tim Hortons, while I'm against Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Chick-fil-A, Sprint, Longhorn Steakhouse, Mattress Firm, Hyundai, and Walmart. It doesn't seem
that unreasonable to root for or against a company.
My major sports annoyance is how late games end on weeknights. I live in the Central time zone now, so it's less annoying than when I lived in Eastern, but still annoying.
Kind of touching on expensive parking at the stadium (which I completely agree on) is when a team gets a new stadium that's closer to the city center, and how tailgating is frowned upon, or can't even be done.
My best example here is San Diego. When they played out at Qualcomm, that was a fun place to tailgate. Once they built Petco Park, it was clear the city wanted you to support the Gaslamp Quarter businesses and overpay for food and drink before going into the stadium and overpaying for food and drink.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US.
This is the Hayes Rule. "Most people who never attended college assume the quality of a college is proportional to its sports teams."
It is true. Ask any average Joe to name "the best schools" in the country, and, after maybe a couple of Ivies, you will get a list of Division I football schools. Works even better within a state. Ask "what is the best college in our state" and 90+% will tell you the named for the state football school. This is, BTW, false in more of the 41 states with a Division I football program than it is true, even if you limit the discussion to public schools.
Why do they do it? To make average people feel connected to some college they really have no connection to, and thus to not question what money pits many of them are.
In some alternative universe without college sports, there are states where more people know what town the state prison is in than the state university.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 03, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US.
This is the Hayes Rule. "Most people who never attended college assume the quality of a college is proportional to its sports teams."
It is true. Ask any average Joe to name "the best schools" in the country, and, after maybe a couple of Ivies, you will get a list of Division I football schools. Works even better within a state. Ask "what is the best college in our state" and 90+% will tell you the named for the state football school. This is, BTW, false in more of the 41 states with a Division I football program than it is true, even if you limit the discussion to public schools.
Why do they do it? To make average people feel connected to some college they really have no connection to, and thus to not question what money pits many of them are.
In some alternative universe without college sports, there are states where more people know what town the state prison is in than the state university.
Yet there are rare occasions where the quality of a university actually soars primarily because of its sports teams.
Before 1920 Notre Dame was virtually indistinguishable from other Midwestern Catholic universities like Marquette, DePaul, Detroit, Dayton, Xavier or Creighton. Leaving your home state to attend a Catholic university in another state was quite rare. Thanks in large part to strong anti-Catholic bias by one giant asshole in Ann Arbor, Notre Dame wasn't allowed to play Big Ten schools in football and was forced to travel to the East Coast for games. Knute Rockne made it pay off and the rest is history. Now Notre Dame draws students from all 50 states and several countries.
Then you have people who claim to dislike a university solely because of its sports teams. I have some friends who can't stand that I went to law school at Duke because they hate Duke men's basketball. I understand disliking Duke basketball since I went a different ACC school as an undergrad, but that's irrelevant as a real-world consideration. My reaction was along the lines of, "You idiots, I don't play basketball. Athletics didn't affect the decision at all. If I were an athlete, that might be different, but I'm not." If all things were truly equal as to two universities, then I could see the athletics program maybe being a tiebreaker, but all things are never truly equal.
It is definitely true that undergraduate applications to Duke spiked–and admissions became far more competitive–when the basketball team started routinely making the Final Four in the 1980s (1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, and 1994....quite a run).
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 03, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US.
This is the Hayes Rule. "Most people who never attended college assume the quality of a college is proportional to its sports teams."
It is true. Ask any average Joe to name "the best schools" in the country, and, after maybe a couple of Ivies, you will get a list of Division I football schools. Works even better within a state. Ask "what is the best college in our state" and 90+% will tell you the named for the state football school. This is, BTW, false in more of the 41 states with a Division I football program than it is true, even if you limit the discussion to public schools.
Why do they do it? To make average people feel connected to some college they really have no connection to, and thus to not question what money pits many of them are.
In some alternative universe without college sports, there are states where more people know what town the state prison is in than the state university.
Yet there are rare occasions where the quality of a university actually soars primarily because of its sports teams.
Before 1920 Notre Dame was virtually indistinguishable from other Midwestern Catholic universities like Marquette, DePaul, Detroit, Dayton, Xavier or Creighton. Leaving your home state to attend a Catholic university in another state was quite rare. Thanks in large part to strong anti-Catholic bias by one giant asshole in Ann Arbor, Notre Dame wasn't allowed to play Big Ten schools in football and was forced to travel to the East Coast for games. Knute Rockne made it pay off and the rest is history. Now Notre Dame draws students from all 50 states and several countries.
Notre Dame is actually a good school however.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 03, 2021, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 03, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US.
This is the Hayes Rule. "Most people who never attended college assume the quality of a college is proportional to its sports teams."
It is true. Ask any average Joe to name "the best schools" in the country, and, after maybe a couple of Ivies, you will get a list of Division I football schools. Works even better within a state. Ask "what is the best college in our state" and 90+% will tell you the named for the state football school. This is, BTW, false in more of the 41 states with a Division I football program than it is true, even if you limit the discussion to public schools.
Why do they do it? To make average people feel connected to some college they really have no connection to, and thus to not question what money pits many of them are.
In some alternative universe without college sports, there are states where more people know what town the state prison is in than the state university.
Yet there are rare occasions where the quality of a university actually soars primarily because of its sports teams.
Before 1920 Notre Dame was virtually indistinguishable from other Midwestern Catholic universities like Marquette, DePaul, Detroit, Dayton, Xavier or Creighton. Leaving your home state to attend a Catholic university in another state was quite rare. Thanks in large part to strong anti-Catholic bias by one giant asshole in Ann Arbor, Notre Dame wasn't allowed to play Big Ten schools in football and was forced to travel to the East Coast for games. Knute Rockne made it pay off and the rest is history. Now Notre Dame draws students from all 50 states and several countries.
Notre Dame is actually a good school however.
Yes, but the point is that it wasn't a really good school until the football team made it popular. Why else would a Catholic university in South Bend become a better school than ones in Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit and Cincinnati?
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
University of Chicago?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 03, 2021, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
University of Chicago?
University of Chicago is a Division III school in sports.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
Michigan Tech?
Kettering?
Lawrence Tech?
Any of the MIAA schools?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 02, 2021, 08:56:21 AM
At this point I'm not sure if Alps is joking, or looking for a reason to hate the Patriots. Either way it's funny how hard he tries.
I think he's a Jets fan.
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets. Might be enough to root for them this upcoming season. I'm more of a Giants fan, though.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 12:26:33 AM
Punting on 4th & 1.
Players that squeeze every dime out of a team then wonder why they can't afford any players to help them.
People who cannot accept Brady's greatness. Quits and goes to a new team, starts over, wins it all, everyone still complains.
So what? I mean, he's still gonna be the GOAT, but...
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 03, 2021, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 12:26:33 AM
Punting on 4th & 1.
Players that squeeze every dime out of a team then wonder why they can't afford any players to help them.
People who cannot accept Brady's greatness. Quits and goes to a new team, starts over, wins it all, everyone still complains.
So what? I mean, he's still gonna be the GOAT, but...
I'm a Packers fan, but I'll admit Brady is the GOAT. I think he's a cyborg, but yeah, hard to deny his talent and the records he's set.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 03, 2021, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on May 03, 2021, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 12:26:33 AM
Punting on 4th & 1.
Players that squeeze every dime out of a team then wonder why they can't afford any players to help them.
People who cannot accept Brady's greatness. Quits and goes to a new team, starts over, wins it all, everyone still complains.
So what? I mean, he's still gonna be the GOAT, but...
I'm a Packers fan, but I'll admit Brady is the GOAT. I think he's a cyborg, but yeah, hard to deny his talent and the records he's set.
Yup. I'm also a Packers fan, BTW. Small cities don't always get the respect they deserve.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 03, 2021, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
University of Chicago?
University of Chicago is a Division III school in sports.
Nobody ever said the discussion was limited to a particular NCAA division. If anything, you're arguably underscoring the point about putting athletics above everything else. Interestingly, the University of Chicago was a founding member of the Big Ten (but withdrew in 1946).
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Two Hockey rules that I would love to see in Basketball: Delayed Fouls and Live Ball Substitution.
For those of you not familiar with Hockey, when a member of the offense is fouled, the official signals the foul, but play continues until the defense controls the ball (They call it a "puck" in hockey, but it's the same thing). Once the defense has CONTROLLED the ball, play stops and the penalty is assessed. It seems right to award one foul shot, if the play ends in a score and maybe repossession (or two or three shots later in the game to discourage rampant fouling) if no score results.
In Hockey, players may enter or exit the floor in a specified area, but may do so at any time that it suits them provided that the exiting player leaves before the substitute enters. In fact, it is common in Hockey for the team on offense to hold the ball or throw the ball into an unoccupied area of the floor in order to allow for their side to substitute.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
Michigan is a balance - it has programs offering better academics, especially in engineering, but a lot of the main programs are comparable to other Midwestern schools. I'm a Michigan fan because I very nearly went there for undergrad for engineering.
Quote from: Alps on May 03, 2021, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2021, 02:07:41 PM
Northwestern, Michigan and Notre Dame are the only three schools in the Midwest that I can think of that are academics over sports.
Michigan is a balance - it has programs offering better academics, especially in engineering, but a lot of the main programs are comparable to other Midwestern schools. I'm a Michigan fan because I very nearly went there for undergrad for engineering.
My sister very nearly went to Miami (FL) for undergrad. That's the other end of the Dixie Highway. She should've stayed in NJ, however, as TCNJ would've been much closer to home than even American (in DC) seemed at one time. She eventually redeemed herself and became an undergrad at Rutgers once she finished her redemption path at Raritan Valley (my mother made a similar trek, but started at Middlesex, a school I almost went to myself at one point-also visited RVCC and Rutgers plus NJIT-I've done Special Olympics at Stockton College (it's now a university) and TCNJ.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
American football scores more. American football has far fewer 0-0 (before overtime) games than association football does.
Quote from: thspfc on May 03, 2021, 08:05:08 AM
Congratulations, this clownish post means that your opinion on sports will not be of value to me.
Sports are not of value to me, so your opinion on them isn't of value to me either. 🤷♂️
Quote from: SP Cook on May 03, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US.
This is the Hayes Rule. "Most people who never attended college assume the quality of a college is proportional to its sports teams."
It is true. Ask any average Joe to name "the best schools" in the country, and, after maybe a couple of Ivies, you will get a list of Division I football schools. Works even better within a state. Ask "what is the best college in our state" and 90+% will tell you the named for the state football school. This is, BTW, false in more of the 41 states with a Division I football program than it is true, even if you limit the discussion to public schools.
Why do they do it? To make average people feel connected to some college they really have no connection to, and thus to not question what money pits many of them are.
In some alternative universe without college sports, there are states where more people know what town the state prison is in than the state university.
That would kinda be a trick question for some states though. For example, Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Quote from: michravera on May 03, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Two Hockey rules that I would love to see in Basketball: Delayed Fouls and Live Ball Substitution.
For those of you not familiar with Hockey, when a member of the offense is fouled, the official signals the foul, but play continues until the defense controls the ball (They call it a "puck" in hockey, but it's the same thing). Once the defense has CONTROLLED the ball, play stops and the penalty is assessed. It seems right to award one foul shot, if the play ends in a score and maybe repossession (or two or three shots later in the game to discourage rampant fouling) if no score results.
In Hockey, players may enter or exit the floor in a specified area, but may do so at any time that it suits them provided that the exiting player leaves before the substitute enters. In fact, it is common in Hockey for the team on offense to hold the ball or throw the ball into an unoccupied area of the floor in order to allow for their side to substitute.
Basketball players should be able to shoot free throws. The ones that can, don't need that rule change regarding when a penalty from a foul takes effect.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Quote from: michravera on May 03, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Two Hockey rules that I would love to see in Basketball: Delayed Fouls and Live Ball Substitution.
For those of you not familiar with Hockey, when a member of the offense is fouled, the official signals the foul, but play continues until the defense controls the ball (They call it a "puck" in hockey, but it's the same thing). Once the defense has CONTROLLED the ball, play stops and the penalty is assessed. It seems right to award one foul shot, if the play ends in a score and maybe repossession (or two or three shots later in the game to discourage rampant fouling) if no score results.
In Hockey, players may enter or exit the floor in a specified area, but may do so at any time that it suits them provided that the exiting player leaves before the substitute enters. In fact, it is common in Hockey for the team on offense to hold the ball or throw the ball into an unoccupied area of the floor in order to allow for their side to substitute.
Basketball players should be able to shoot free throws. The ones that can, don't need that rule change regarding when a penalty from a foul takes effect.
I'm all in for on the fly substitutions. That'll take serious dead time out of the game to perform the sub and you don't have to wait 3-4 minutes sometimes for a dead ball to be able to sub.
Think NBA basketball is too much of a 1 on 1 game? Insert POWER PLAYS. See how much more ball movement we get with less defense.
Quote from: 1 on May 03, 2021, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
American football scores more. American football has far fewer 0-0 (before overtime) games than association football does.
Quality over quantity.
A goal is something that has to be earned, while a touchdown is just the expected end of a play.
A good scoreless draw is far more entertaining than a six-goal match. If you gave the sport an actual shot, you'd understand.
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
Another annoyance people who think American's are unintelligent because most of us hate soccer.
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 12:49:58 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 03, 2021, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
American football scores more. American football has far fewer 0-0 (before overtime) games than association football does.
Quality over quantity.
A goal is something that has to be earned, while a touchdown is just the expected end of a play.
A good scoreless draw is far more entertaining than a six-goal match. If you gave the sport an actual shot, you'd understand.
I've been to 0-0 MLB games. No thanks. I used to go see indoor soccer they'd score a lot of goals, way more fun. Smaller field and no out of bounds. We have a team in Austin and they didn't even bother to name it.
One thing about Olympic sports is that they will show them on TV for the Olympics and then forget about them until the next Olympics. Has anyone ever seen curling at a time other than the Olympics on TV?
I also get annoyed about how the USA thinks volleyball should only be a girls sport. I was a decent recreational player (or at least like to think I was) and would have considered playing a more competitive game, but they didn't do that for boys when I was a kid.
Quote from: DandyDan on May 04, 2021, 07:11:13 AM
Has anyone ever seen curling at a time other than the Olympics on TV?
It's on CBC.
Quote from: DandyDan on May 04, 2021, 07:11:13 AM
One thing about Olympic sports is that they will show them on TV for the Olympics and then forget about them until the next Olympics. Has anyone ever seen curling at a time other than the Olympics on TV?
I also get annoyed about how the USA thinks volleyball should only be a girls sport. I was a decent recreational player (or at least like to think I was) and would have considered playing a more competitive game, but they didn't do that for boys when I was a kid.
There's a channel called THE OLYMPICS CHANNEL. Among other things, they annually show the World Championships from a lot of the Olympic sports--track & field, swimming, gymnastics, skiing, hockey, and yes, curling. I watched a few of the US matches from the 2021 worlds just last month.
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 12:49:58 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 03, 2021, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
American football scores more. American football has far fewer 0-0 (before overtime) games than association football does.
Quality over quantity.
A goal is something that has to be earned, while a touchdown is just the expected end of a play.
A good scoreless draw is far more entertaining than a six-goal match. If you gave the sport an actual shot, you'd understand.
I've given it a shot, but the field is too big. That means there's too much just piddling around by the players. Shrink the thing in half, and I bet it would be a lot more entertaining.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2021, 01:07:21 AM
Another annoyance people who think American's are unintelligent because most of us hate soccer.
This. Americans are not "ignorant" of soccer. Most have seen it, and found it boresome, simplistic, and somewhat effeminate.
There is also this "world's game" deal. First, so what? America, and certainly America and Canada, are large enough to have our own sports and are not somehow "wrong" for not liking what others like. But, more importantly, it is simply untrue. Yes, it is popular in more of the world than any other sport, but that popularity is FAR from universal. Many societies feel just like we do about the sport. And, not to be a downer, but about a third of the world's population's main goal today is finding enough to eat, not what ball game is on TV tonight.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 04, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
and somewhat effeminate.
So you have a problem with women in sports? (I'm not suggesting mixed teams; I'm thinking more Olympics and WNBA.)
Quote from: DandyDan on May 04, 2021, 07:11:13 AM
One thing about Olympic sports is that they will show them on TV for the Olympics...
In many cases, not even that: "We're going to break away from this hockey game we've shown about 5 minutes of to bring you the heartwarmingly tragic yet inspiring life story of figure skater Petunia Zeffirelli, whom we've decided is the face of this winter's Olympic Games... right after this convoy of 13 commercials..."
Quote from: 1 on May 04, 2021, 11:47:22 AM
So you have a problem with women in sports? (I'm not suggesting mixed teams; I'm thinking more Olympics and WNBA.)
Effeminate and feminine are two different adjetives.
From M-W:
of or relating to a man who has or displays qualities traditionally considered more suitable for women
Thus, I am saying nothing about women in sports, but rather something about the men who play soccer.
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
I think they're the perfect size. For adults and those over 16, anything bigger than a futsal court and smaller than a regular field just results in the ball being punted from keeper to keeper constantly. Really boring soccer. Besides, I don't really see how this is a "MAJOR sports annoyance".
My major annoyance about soccer is how Americans hate on it for reasons that they don't hate other sports for. Example: Baseball can often go inning after inning without runs. No one (or at least, not many) hates baseball for this, but somehow soccer gets hated for not having a lot of goals.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 03, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2021, 12:25:46 AM
The fact that sports and schools are so inextricably linked in the US.
This is the Hayes Rule. "Most people who never attended college assume the quality of a college is proportional to its sports teams."
It is true. Ask any average Joe to name "the best schools" in the country, and, after maybe a couple of Ivies, you will get a list of Division I football schools. Works even better within a state. Ask "what is the best college in our state" and 90+% will tell you the named for the state football school. This is, BTW, false in more of the 41 states with a Division I football program than it is true, even if you limit the discussion to public schools.
Why do they do it? To make average people feel connected to some college they really have no connection to, and thus to not question what money pits many of them are.
In some alternative universe without college sports, there are states where more people know what town the state prison is in than the state university.
That would kinda be a trick question for some states though. For example, Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Quote from: michravera on May 03, 2021, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 01, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
basketball: i like the option for the team being fouled to keep the ball instead of shooting 2. because my major annoyance is the last 2 minutes of the game.
baseball: the &^%!*@$#(*! runner on 2nd rule. i have no idea why COVID justifies it. even worse than the 7 inning doubleheader.
hockey: nothing. love this sport.
football: the patriots and goodell
Two Hockey rules that I would love to see in Basketball: Delayed Fouls and Live Ball Substitution.
For those of you not familiar with Hockey, when a member of the offense is fouled, the official signals the foul, but play continues until the defense controls the ball (They call it a "puck" in hockey, but it's the same thing). Once the defense has CONTROLLED the ball, play stops and the penalty is assessed. It seems right to award one foul shot, if the play ends in a score and maybe repossession (or two or three shots later in the game to discourage rampant fouling) if no score results.
In Hockey, players may enter or exit the floor in a specified area, but may do so at any time that it suits them provided that the exiting player leaves before the substitute enters. In fact, it is common in Hockey for the team on offense to hold the ball or throw the ball into an unoccupied area of the floor in order to allow for their side to substitute.
Basketball players should be able to shoot free throws. The ones that can, don't need that rule change regarding when a penalty from a foul takes effect.
I'm not against free throws. I'm suggesting that the offense have a chance to complete the play. I suspect that a lot fewer fouls would occur away from the ball. No one wants to give the other team a free play.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 04, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
My major annoyance about soccer is how Americans hate on it for reasons that they don't hate other sports for. Example: Baseball can often go inning after inning without runs. No one (or at least, not many) hates baseball for this, but somehow soccer gets hated for not having a lot of goals.
Or hockey!
Frankly, though, I find soccer
and football
and baseball to be boring sports. Too much standing around.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on May 02, 2021, 11:00:58 PM
My major annoyance is when a certain start quarterback makes it known that he no longer wants to play for his team because he feels slighted by said team over a draft pick last year that he wasn't consulted on. Look, the GM and the coach run the team, not the player. You just had the season of your life, so obviously it motivated you. Your team was a couple plays one way or the other from making the Super Bowl, so suck it up, buttercup, get back out there, and lead your team back to the promised land. You're only one member of the team. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the drama going on in the media about it all. It wouldn't surprise me if either a reporter looking to break the next big story spilled something he shouldn't have, or if it was said player's agent trying to blow things up in hopes of a new contract. Even though the GM and coach have said they've made trips to meet with the player, so there must be a little something going on, but the player hasn't even made a public statement yet. Let's just wait to hear what he says, shall we?
You just Love to see it.
This is what happens when the quarterback's desire to play is in
Jeopardy!
Quote from: michravera on May 04, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
I'm not against free throws. I'm suggesting that the offense have a chance to complete the play. I suspect that a lot fewer fouls would occur away from the ball. No one wants to give the other team a free play.
Unless they're trying to run off the clock, I don't see why an offense would prefer their play over the opportunity to score 2 points for free. Unless the players suck at free throws.
And in situations where a team wants to run off the clock, basketball could have a rule like the offense gets free throws, but they still get the amount on the shot clock taken off the game clock.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 04, 2021, 03:40:54 PM
Quote from: michravera on May 04, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
I'm not against free throws. I'm suggesting that the offense have a chance to complete the play. I suspect that a lot fewer fouls would occur away from the ball. No one wants to give the other team a free play.
Unless they're trying to run off the clock, I don't see why an offense would prefer their play over the opportunity to score 2 points for free. Unless the players suck at free throws.
And in situations where a team wants to run off the clock, basketball could have a rule like the offense gets free throws, but they still get the amount on the shot clock taken off the game clock.
I think he's suggesting that the free throws still happen, but after the end of the play instead of immediately.
Quote from: SectorZ on May 04, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on May 02, 2021, 11:00:58 PM
My major annoyance is when a certain start quarterback makes it known that he no longer wants to play for his team because he feels slighted by said team over a draft pick last year that he wasn't consulted on. Look, the GM and the coach run the team, not the player. You just had the season of your life, so obviously it motivated you. Your team was a couple plays one way or the other from making the Super Bowl, so suck it up, buttercup, get back out there, and lead your team back to the promised land. You're only one member of the team. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the drama going on in the media about it all. It wouldn't surprise me if either a reporter looking to break the next big story spilled something he shouldn't have, or if it was said player's agent trying to blow things up in hopes of a new contract. Even though the GM and coach have said they've made trips to meet with the player, so there must be a little something going on, but the player hasn't even made a public statement yet. Let's just wait to hear what he says, shall we?
You just Love to see it.
This is what happens when the quarterback's desire to play is in Jeopardy!
And he's jonesing for attention.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2021, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 04, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
My major annoyance about soccer is how Americans hate on it for reasons that they don't hate other sports for. Example: Baseball can often go inning after inning without runs. No one (or at least, not many) hates baseball for this, but somehow soccer gets hated for not having a lot of goals.
Or hockey!
Frankly, though, I find soccer and football and baseball to be boring sports. Too much standing around.
The people who like Hockey and Football like seeing the huge hits and fights, not to mention hockey is at least a fast paced game, regardless of scoring.
Exactly what I meant. Hockey is low-scoring, and soccer is low-scoring. Do the people who hate soccer because of the low scores likewise hate hockey for the same reason?
Quote from: webny99 on May 04, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 04, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on May 02, 2021, 11:00:58 PM
My major annoyance is when a certain start quarterback makes it known that he no longer wants to play for his team because he feels slighted by said team over a draft pick last year that he wasn't consulted on. Look, the GM and the coach run the team, not the player. You just had the season of your life, so obviously it motivated you. Your team was a couple plays one way or the other from making the Super Bowl, so suck it up, buttercup, get back out there, and lead your team back to the promised land. You're only one member of the team. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the drama going on in the media about it all. It wouldn't surprise me if either a reporter looking to break the next big story spilled something he shouldn't have, or if it was said player's agent trying to blow things up in hopes of a new contract. Even though the GM and coach have said they've made trips to meet with the player, so there must be a little something going on, but the player hasn't even made a public statement yet. Let's just wait to hear what he says, shall we?
You just Love to see it.
This is what happens when the quarterback's desire to play is in Jeopardy!
And he's jonesing for attention.
I did not hear him complain against their running back.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 04, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2021, 01:07:21 AM
Another annoyance people who think American's are unintelligent because most of us hate soccer.
This. Americans are not "ignorant" of soccer. Most have seen it, and found it boresome, simplistic, and somewhat effeminate.
There is also this "world's game" deal. First, so what? America, and certainly America and Canada, are large enough to have our own sports and are not somehow "wrong" for not liking what others like. But, more importantly, it is simply untrue. Yes, it is popular in more of the world than any other sport, but that popularity is FAR from universal. Many societies feel just like we do about the sport. And, not to be a downer, but about a third of the world's population's main goal today is finding enough to eat, not what ball game is on TV tonight.
Using effeminate as a negative trait isn't exactly the best way to counter an accusation of ignorance. It's 2021, not 1951.
The last World Cup Final had an estimated 1.1 billion unique viewers. The tournament itself is only surpassed by the much-longer Olympics for most-watched television broadcasts of all time. Getting 1/7th of the world to agree to watch something is pretty hard, and the only other sport that comes close if cricket (which isn't played much outside of the non-American Anglosphere).
Go to almost any city in the world and you'll find kids playing pick-up soccer in whatever way they can. Even in those places where poverty is rampant; and the sport does provide an avenue out of poverty thanks to the cheap academies set up by professional teams instead of the pay-to-play systems we have in North America.
Soccer is the most or 2nd most popular spectator sport in all but a handful of counties, namely the ex-British Empire (outside of the Home Islands). Even here in the U.S., the neglected sport can still draw 40,000+ fans every week in markets like Seattle and Atlanta, and even larger crowds for special events. The notion that the U.S. dislikes soccer comes from how the mainstream media chooses to ignore the non-white sports fans in this country, as I'm sure the tens of thousands who fill the stadiums when teams from Central America come to town aren't appearing out of thin air.
Fun fact: International soccer can halt a civil war in his homeland (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52072592) at the request of popular players, or countries can use a controversial game as an excuse to go to war with each other (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War).
Quote from: SP Cook on May 04, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2021, 01:07:21 AM
Another annoyance people who think American's are unintelligent because most of us hate soccer.
This. Americans are not "ignorant" of soccer. Most have seen it, and found it boresome, simplistic, and somewhat effeminate.
There is also this "world's game" deal. First, so what? America, and certainly America and Canada, are large enough to have our own sports and are not somehow "wrong" for not liking what others like. But, more importantly, it is simply untrue. Yes, it is popular in more of the world than any other sport, but that popularity is FAR from universal. Many societies feel just like we do about the sport. And, not to be a downer, but about a third of the world's population's main goal today is finding enough to eat, not what ball game is on TV tonight.
And if the big field is not enough its the flopping. Be men, don't fall down because someone touched you.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 04, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
I think they're the perfect size. For adults and those over 16, anything bigger than a futsal court and smaller than a regular field just results in the ball being punted from keeper to keeper constantly. Really boring soccer. Besides, I don't really see how this is a "MAJOR sports annoyance".
My major annoyance about soccer is how Americans hate on it for reasons that they don't hate other sports for. Example: Baseball can often go inning after inning without runs. No one (or at least, not many) hates baseball for this, but somehow soccer gets hated for not having a lot of goals.
How about making football fields twice as long and praise 3-0 games?
Quote from: Big John on May 04, 2021, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 04, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 04, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 02, 2021, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on May 02, 2021, 11:00:58 PM
My major annoyance is when a certain start quarterback makes it known that he no longer wants to play for his team because he feels slighted by said team over a draft pick last year that he wasn't consulted on. Look, the GM and the coach run the team, not the player. You just had the season of your life, so obviously it motivated you. Your team was a couple plays one way or the other from making the Super Bowl, so suck it up, buttercup, get back out there, and lead your team back to the promised land. You're only one member of the team. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the drama going on in the media about it all. It wouldn't surprise me if either a reporter looking to break the next big story spilled something he shouldn't have, or if it was said player's agent trying to blow things up in hopes of a new contract. Even though the GM and coach have said they've made trips to meet with the player, so there must be a little something going on, but the player hasn't even made a public statement yet. Let's just wait to hear what he says, shall we?
You just Love to see it.
This is what happens when the quarterback's desire to play is in Jeopardy!
And he's jonesing for attention.
I did not hear him complain against their running back.
Yeah, I know... I was just trying to link on, but I guess I should just pack'er in.
Why does one beer cost the same as a 12 pack?
I get you have a captive market and can charge whatever the hell you want. And I know you don't want fans getting shitfaced, but be reasonable!!
The 7th Inning Stretch is for "Take Me Out to the Ball Game"; not round two of nationalist bullcrap. We acknowledged our allegiance to the nation-state at the start of the game (which at most games was barely three hours ago!); did you think we forgot? Screw you! I want God Bless America removed from all baseball games that don't land on one of the "Patriotic" holidays (Memorial Day, Independence Day, Flag Day, etc.)
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2021, 07:13:06 PM
And if the big field is not enough its the flopping. Be men, don't fall down because someone touched you.
There's a lot less flopping in MLS because it gets punished retroactively. It's just something that comes from certain styles of the game and can be avoided, though it's partly because the referee can't pay attention to all 22 players at once and the assistants might miss something. Plus, getting hit in the shins actually hurts, so you'd expect some reaction, no?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 04, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
Why does one beer cost the same as a 12 pack?
I get you have a captive market and can charge whatever the hell you want. And I know you don't want fans getting shitfaced, but be reasonable!!
Well, how do you expect teams with payrolls over $100 million get their money from? Nickel PBR night ain't gonna pay the bills.
Also, why do people like to compare beer prices to supermarket prices, but not other items. A large soda is $8, or roughly 5, 2 liter bottles. A hot dog is $4.50. You can buy an 8 pack of hot dogs and rolls for close to that. A soft pretzel is $4, whereas I can buy 5 for $3 locally.
So why point out one product but not others? Are they concerned about people getting shitfaced on hot dogs?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 04, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
The 7th Inning Stretch is for "Take Me Out to the Ball Game"; not round two of nationalist bullcrap. We acknowledged our allegiance to the nation-state at the start of the game (which at most games was barely three hours ago!); did you think we forgot? Screw you! I want God Bless America removed from all baseball games that don't land on one of the "Patriotic" holidays (Memorial Day, Independence Day, Flag Day, etc.)
Ok...so don't sing.
I find it annoying that some ballpark operators seem to think spectators are supposed to stand and remove their hats for "God Bless America." It's not the national anthem.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 04, 2021, 10:40:45 PM
I find it annoying that some ballpark operators seem to think spectators are supposed to stand and remove their hats for "God Bless America." It's not the national anthem.
Related: the overuse of the national anthem before every single game.
It should be saved for truly special occasions, like league championships, national cup matches, and international games.
Also it should be fully instrumental with the fans singing.
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Using effeminate as a negative trait isn't exactly the best way to counter an accusation of ignorance. It's 2021, not 1951.
Using 'effeminate' as a negative trait has nothing do with one's ignorance or knowledge
of soccer, though.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 04, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
Why does one beer cost the same as a 12 pack?
I get you have a captive market and can charge whatever the hell you want. And I know you don't want fans getting shitfaced, but be reasonable!!
Airport Terminals have entered the chat....
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2021, 05:09:40 PM
Exactly what I meant. Hockey is low-scoring, and soccer is low-scoring. Do the people who hate soccer because of the low scores likewise hate hockey for the same reason?
Difference with hockey is there could be a goal at almost any time. Soccer with that enormous field they don't really get near the goal that often. Plus hockey players are tough and don't flop.
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 04, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2021, 01:07:21 AM
Another annoyance people who think American's are unintelligent because most of us hate soccer.
This. Americans are not "ignorant" of soccer. Most have seen it, and found it boresome, simplistic, and somewhat effeminate.
There is also this "world's game" deal. First, so what? America, and certainly America and Canada, are large enough to have our own sports and are not somehow "wrong" for not liking what others like. But, more importantly, it is simply untrue. Yes, it is popular in more of the world than any other sport, but that popularity is FAR from universal. Many societies feel just like we do about the sport. And, not to be a downer, but about a third of the world's population's main goal today is finding enough to eat, not what ball game is on TV tonight.
Using effeminate as a negative trait isn't exactly the best way to counter an accusation of ignorance. It's 2021, not 1951.
The last World Cup Final had an estimated 1.1 billion unique viewers. The tournament itself is only surpassed by the much-longer Olympics for most-watched television broadcasts of all time. Getting 1/7th of the world to agree to watch something is pretty hard, and the only other sport that comes close if cricket (which isn't played much outside of the non-American Anglosphere).
Go to almost any city in the world and you'll find kids playing pick-up soccer in whatever way they can. Even in those places where poverty is rampant; and the sport does provide an avenue out of poverty thanks to the cheap academies set up by professional teams instead of the pay-to-play systems we have in North America.
Soccer is the most or 2nd most popular spectator sport in all but a handful of counties, namely the ex-British Empire (outside of the Home Islands). Even here in the U.S., the neglected sport can still draw 40,000+ fans every week in markets like Seattle and Atlanta, and even larger crowds for special events. The notion that the U.S. dislikes soccer comes from how the mainstream media chooses to ignore the non-white sports fans in this country, as I'm sure the tens of thousands who fill the stadiums when teams from Central America come to town aren't appearing out of thin air.
Fun fact: International soccer can halt a civil war in his homeland (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52072592) at the request of popular players, or countries can use a controversial game as an excuse to go to war with each other (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War).
Hockey is probably the whitest sport and that's a lot more ignored than football, basketball, and baseball.
Ice hockey's importance depends on where you are. Since you live in Texas, it's probably going to be mostly ignored in your area. It's more important in the northern US, Canada obviously, and northern Europe.
I also want to point out that hockey (both ice hockey and field hockey) are quite similar to soccer, at least when compared to baseball and American football: get the ball/puck into the goal, goalies guarding the goal, continuous play, etc.
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
The last World Cup Final had an estimated 1.1 billion unique viewers.
And?
But this does bring up another annoyance. Pretty much limited to US fans of soccer and Formula One auto racing. These pulled out their a** TV ratings.
First, it smacks of some sort of insecurity. OK, you like a sport that 99.9% of people in your society do not. Fine. Why is it necessary to constantly discuss what other places do? Just enjoy your niche taste.
But more importantly, the reality is that Nielsen type ratings do not exist much beyond the wealthiest countries. Mainly because no one really cares what people with zero disposable income watch on TV. And, sad to say, a third of the world is engaged in a life or death struggle to survive each day. These estimates pretty much are just "we figure everybody in the country watched."
The world doesn't work that way, sad to say.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 05, 2021, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
The last World Cup Final had an estimated 1.1 billion unique viewers.
And?
But this does bring up another annoyance. Pretty much limited to US fans of soccer and Formula One auto racing. These pulled out their a** TV ratings.
First, it smacks of some sort of insecurity. OK, you like a sport that 99.9% of people in your society do not. Fine. Why is it necessary to constantly discuss what other places do? Just enjoy your niche taste.
But more importantly, the reality is that Nielsen type ratings do not exist much beyond the wealthiest countries. Mainly because no one really cares what people with zero disposable income watch on TV. And, sad to say, a third of the world is engaged in a life or death struggle to survive each day. These estimates pretty much are just "we figure everybody in the country watched."
The world doesn't work that way, sad to say.
FIFA actually published their methodology for arriving at those figures. Two pages long, and while some components are estimated, it's far more scientific than "pulled out of the a**"
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 04, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 04, 2021, 01:07:21 AM
Another annoyance people who think American's are unintelligent because most of us hate soccer.
This. Americans are not "ignorant" of soccer. Most have seen it, and found it boresome, simplistic, and somewhat effeminate.
There is also this "world's game" deal. First, so what? America, and certainly America and Canada, are large enough to have our own sports and are not somehow "wrong" for not liking what others like. But, more importantly, it is simply untrue. Yes, it is popular in more of the world than any other sport, but that popularity is FAR from universal. Many societies feel just like we do about the sport. And, not to be a downer, but about a third of the world's population's main goal today is finding enough to eat, not what ball game is on TV tonight.
Using effeminate as a negative trait isn't exactly the best way to counter an accusation of ignorance. It's 2021, not 1951.
The last World Cup Final had an estimated 1.1 billion unique viewers. The tournament itself is only surpassed by the much-longer Olympics for most-watched television broadcasts of all time. Getting 1/7th of the world to agree to watch something is pretty hard, and the only other sport that comes close if cricket (which isn't played much outside of the non-American Anglosphere).
Go to almost any city in the world and you'll find kids playing pick-up soccer in whatever way they can. Even in those places where poverty is rampant; and the sport does provide an avenue out of poverty thanks to the cheap academies set up by professional teams instead of the pay-to-play systems we have in North America.
Soccer is the most or 2nd most popular spectator sport in all but a handful of counties, namely the ex-British Empire (outside of the Home Islands). Even here in the U.S., the neglected sport can still draw 40,000+ fans every week in markets like Seattle and Atlanta, and even larger crowds for special events. The notion that the U.S. dislikes soccer comes from how the mainstream media chooses to ignore the non-white sports fans in this country, as I'm sure the tens of thousands who fill the stadiums when teams from Central America come to town aren't appearing out of thin air.
Fun fact: International soccer can halt a civil war in his homeland (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52072592) at the request of popular players, or countries can use a controversial game as an excuse to go to war with each other (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War).
Association Football is like a ground war. American Football is like an aerial war. Most Americans don't relate to a ground war where territory is gained and lost and then finally a decisive (or possibly decisive) capture is made. We want to bomb it from the air, set it on fire, take the treasure and take it to the house (and maybe get a consolation prize of a partial raid)!
In Baseball and Hockey one never knows when a possibly decisive score will happen. It makes it possible to run for a beer, but you always keep an eye out for the action.
Basketball is like Space Invaders or Pinball. Let's see who can run up the biggest total.
True that I heard about hockey more living in Minnesota than in Texas.
Everyone becomes a world cup fan then forgets about soccer.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 05, 2021, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
The last World Cup Final had an estimated 1.1 billion unique viewers.
And?
But this does bring up another annoyance. Pretty much limited to US fans of soccer and Formula One auto racing. These pulled out their a** TV ratings.
First, it smacks of some sort of insecurity. OK, you like a sport that 99.9% of people in your society do not. Fine. Why is it necessary to constantly discuss what other places do? Just enjoy your niche taste.
Why did you literally pull a percentage that wasn't true out of your ass, then? We get it, the heart of coal-mining country with a declining total population and an ascending average age isn't the best place to poll for demographics on sports which have large numbers of a younger or foreign-born fan base. There's almost no serious expectation that football is going to disappear off the top of the charts in the next two decades, or even in the next century. But baseball once held that place, so things can and do change.
Yes, these sports are growing, but not by massive amounts. (https://news.gallup.com/poll/4735/sports.aspx) But while all other TV ratings are taking a dive, even before the pandemic. Sure, there's a pandering attitude by claiming something is a big deal elsewhere (or "everywhere else", which is a lot like claiming a place is World Famous because two Canadians and a pair of lost Australian tourists stumbled upon a small-town relic). Yes, Europe gives a crack about it. So does South America. After that, the Middle East and Australia/Oceania probably cares about as much as North Americans do.
The deal is with soccer is that for many other countries it's their Big Thing and that's where most promising athletes would probably gravitate and become motivated towards for respect. We have literally four other major professional leagues which are mostly popular for decades that grab more attention, and now have umpteen other smaller leagues for all sorts of sports, ranging from Olympic-caliber to "watch what I can do with a chainsaw" to "dancing with my dog is something (https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/welcome-to-the-world-of-musical-freestyle-dog-dancing/)".
I would say that among American soccer fans, European leagues are more popular than MLS. People will talk about what Man City or Barcelona did over the weekend, but they never talk about the Houston Dynamo game. That's why I reject assertions that the Big Four sports is now the Big Five. MLS is not on par with the other four.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 05, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
I would say that among American soccer fans, European leagues are more popular than MLS. People will talk about what Man City or Barcelona did over the weekend, but they never talk about the Houston Dynamo game.
Interesting observation.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 05, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
I would say that among American soccer fans, European leagues are more popular than MLS.
As further evidence of this, sports podcast Hot Takedown often has segments on the European soccer leagues, but have never had an MLS segment to my knowledge.
Soccer, the sport of the next generation.
Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2015, 01:37:05 PM
Soccer has been the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on February 07, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
Soccer is the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
By 2026 soccer will be the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 15, 2017, 08:57:39 AM
The sport of the next generation, three generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 02, 2021, 12:46:39 PM
Soccer is the sport of the next generation, four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 05, 2021, 03:51:23 PM
Soccer, the sport of the next generation.
Four generations and counting.
Gee, but what do you think about it?
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2015, 01:37:05 PM
Soccer has been the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on February 07, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
Soccer is the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
By 2026 soccer will be the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 15, 2017, 08:57:39 AM
The sport of the next generation, three generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 02, 2021, 12:46:39 PM
Soccer is the sport of the next generation, four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on May 05, 2021, 03:51:23 PM
Soccer, the sport of the next generation.
Four generations and counting.
Gee, but what do you think about it?
The real question is why he changed his opinion in August 2017.
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 25, 2015, 01:37:05 PM
Soccer has been the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on February 07, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
Soccer is the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 11, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
By 2026 soccer will be the sport of the next generation. Four generations and counting.
...
Gee, but what do you think about it?
Interesting progression there!
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Georgia Tech would beg to differ on both counts.
Quote from: US 89 on May 05, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Georgia Tech would beg to differ on both counts.
They call themselves an Institute so I'm ok with leaving them out of "best university" discussions.
Soccer fans remind me of classical music fans, who think they have the most highbrow music yet hardly anyone listens to it, or people who watch TV shows that are perceived as so intellectual and so good but they are canceled because no one watches them. That's why we have Nascar, Country Music, and Jerry Springer.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 05, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 05, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Georgia Tech would beg to differ on both counts.
They call themselves an Institute so I'm ok with leaving them out of "best university" discussions.
"The Georgia Institute of Technology, commonly referred to as Georgia Tech or, in the state of Georgia, as Tech, is a public research university..."
University.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 05, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 05, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Georgia Tech would beg to differ on both counts.
They call themselves an Institute so I'm ok with leaving them out of "best university" discussions.
Institute is just another word to say university.
I gave soccer a chance. I watched some World Cup games, I've been to two Timbers games in Portland. It's not bad, but not really my thing. I will, however, give some credit where it's due.
- The fans are pretty electric, at least in Portland. They really get into it!
- I like that the clock doesn't stop, and penalty time is just tacked on to the end. I love American football, but damn it gets annoying with the clock stopping every time a flag is thrown. I think when my wife and I first started dating, we were getting ready to go meet some friends, and she thought the 2 minute warning meant two minutes left in the game. Ha ha.
NBA: Tanking my god I hate tanking
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 05, 2021, 07:31:33 PM
I gave soccer a chance. I watched some World Cup games, I've been to two Timbers games in Portland. It's not bad, but not really my thing. I will, however, give some credit where it's due.
- The fans are pretty electric, at least in Portland. They really get into it!
- I like that the clock doesn't stop, and penalty time is just tacked on to the end. I love American football, but damn it gets annoying with the clock stopping every time a flag is thrown. I think when my wife and I first started dating, we were getting ready to go meet some friends, and she thought the 2 minute warning meant two minutes left in the game. Ha ha.
So tired of so many penalties or that declined penalties are announced.
Quote from: Alps on May 05, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 05, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 05, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Georgia Tech would beg to differ on both counts.
They call themselves an Institute so I'm ok with leaving them out of "best university" discussions.
"The Georgia Institute of Technology, commonly referred to as Georgia Tech or, in the state of Georgia, as Tech, is a public research university..."
University.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 05, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 05, 2021, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 05, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 03, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
Georgia's best university is Emory, but it doesn't have a football team. Its best university *with* a football team is also the best football team, UGA.
Georgia Tech would beg to differ on both counts.
They call themselves an Institute so I'm ok with leaving them out of "best university" discussions.
Institute is just another word to say university.
Right, but it's specifically in their style guide to not use the term University to refer to themselves, only the term Institute.
https://brand.gatech.edu/our-voice/editorial-style-guide/grammar
"Abbreviate Georgia Institute of Technology only as Georgia Tech, the Institute, or Tech."
"GT, GIT, the University, and Ga. Tech should never be used in running copy."
In any case I at least stand by my original points that Emory is the best university in GA and the University (the University of Georgia) is the best university in GA that has an NCAA football team.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 05, 2021, 07:31:33 PM
... soccer ... I like that the clock doesn't stop, and penalty time is just tacked on to the end.
Yes. Every sport should do this.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 05, 2021, 11:47:14 PM
So tired of so many penalties or that declined penalties are announced.
At least in football the officials know they need to keep the audience informed of what's going on (be it penalties or video review). In MLB, the audience typically has no idea on why a review might be called or other administrative tasks as the umpires aren't miced up. It even is a detriment to away announcers, who are still calling games remotely. (Jon Sciambi has brought this up numerous times this season, at least once when an umpire ejected someone in a dugout. Since the camera angle pointed over the dugout at the ump, the broadcasters had no idea exactly who was ejected, something they need to be able to communicate to viewers.)
Quote from: texaskdog on May 05, 2021, 06:06:42 PM
Soccer fans remind me of classical music fans, who think they have the most highbrow music yet hardly anyone listens to it, or people who watch TV shows that are perceived as so intellectual and so good but they are canceled because no one watches them. That's why we have Nascar, Country Music, and Jerry Springer.
Who are you referencing? MLS fans? If so you have a point. But in Europe and South America, soccer is the NFL but even more important.
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
Popularity would be measured by number of fans. Not by attendance, because arenas inherently have less capacity than open-air stadiums. It's tough to gauge that, but here's a graph of sport by "what's your favorite":
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1074264/sports-leagues-age/
NFL, MLB, NBA are the clear top 3. NHL is tied with MLS in younger groups but still ahead in older, so I would say NHL is still more popular on that basis. The number of immigrants from soccer-friendly countries is changing the mix, and they do tend to be younger, so at some point this will change unless NHL (with its recent agreements) boosts its popularity.
Quote from: Alps on May 08, 2021, 12:59:28 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
Popularity would be measured by number of fans. Not by attendance, because arenas inherently have less capacity than open-air stadiums. It's tough to gauge that, but here's a graph of sport by "what's your favorite":
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1074264/sports-leagues-age/
NFL, MLB, NBA are the clear top 3. NHL is tied with MLS in younger groups but still ahead in older, so I would say NHL is still more popular on that basis. The number of immigrants from soccer-friendly countries is changing the mix, and they do tend to be younger, so at some point this will change unless NHL (with its recent agreements) boosts its popularity.
MLS might become more popular, but NHL will always be more prestigious. Also among my classmates, NHL is way more popular than MLS.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 08, 2021, 01:11:13 AM
Quote from: Alps on May 08, 2021, 12:59:28 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
Popularity would be measured by number of fans. Not by attendance, because arenas inherently have less capacity than open-air stadiums. It's tough to gauge that, but here's a graph of sport by "what's your favorite":
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1074264/sports-leagues-age/
NFL, MLB, NBA are the clear top 3. NHL is tied with MLS in younger groups but still ahead in older, so I would say NHL is still more popular on that basis. The number of immigrants from soccer-friendly countries is changing the mix, and they do tend to be younger, so at some point this will change unless NHL (with its recent agreements) boosts its popularity.
MLS might become more popular, but NHL will always be more prestigious. Also among my classmates, NHL is way more popular than MLS.
Because of Christian Pulisic, I started following the German and then the English leagues. After watching those leagues, it's hard to watch MLS because the level of play is so much lower.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
isn't that just because other countries care more about soccer than they do hockey
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 08, 2021, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 08, 2021, 01:11:13 AM
Quote from: Alps on May 08, 2021, 12:59:28 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
Popularity would be measured by number of fans. Not by attendance, because arenas inherently have less capacity than open-air stadiums. It's tough to gauge that, but here's a graph of sport by "what's your favorite":
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1074264/sports-leagues-age/
NFL, MLB, NBA are the clear top 3. NHL is tied with MLS in younger groups but still ahead in older, so I would say NHL is still more popular on that basis. The number of immigrants from soccer-friendly countries is changing the mix, and they do tend to be younger, so at some point this will change unless NHL (with its recent agreements) boosts its popularity.
MLS might become more popular, but NHL will always be more prestigious. Also among my classmates, NHL is way more popular than MLS.
Because of Christian Pulisic, I started following the German and then the English leagues. After watching those leagues, it's hard to watch MLS because the level of play is so much lower.
That goes with what I said on the last page that many American soccer fans are heavily invested in European leagues, but generally couldn't give two shits about MLS. In MLS cities, some fans care about their local team but couldn't care less about the rest of the league.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 08, 2021, 03:51:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
When people say that the MLS is more popular/a bigger deal than the NHL. The best hockey player on earth goes to the NHL. The best soccer player on earth does NOT go to the MLS.
isn't that just because other countries care more about soccer than they do hockey
Yes, I guess.
Ice hockey is not just a US/Canada thing. It's fairly popular in northern Europe.
Quote from: 1 on May 08, 2021, 04:52:34 PM
Ice hockey is not just a US/Canada thing. It's fairly popular in northern Europe.
Basketball is very popular worldwide, and even American football has pockets of popularity worldwide. Of course the major difference is that for baseball/basketball/hockey, the best players in the world go to North America to play, and in soccer the best players in the world go to Europe to play.
I wonder if there is any chance that one of the top European leagues would be willing to work out an affiliation deal with MLS? Have the entire league move to the US for the first 4 or 6 matches of the season and require teams to loan players to their MLS affiliates.
Yes, MLS isn't the best in the world. But it is our local league and can produce good players and have its moments. I find MLS to be more exciting than the top European leagues because of the NA-style parity and top-heavy nature of signings here, which spend more on attacking players.
The league's popularity depends on the region...in oversaturated markets like Chicago and NYC, MLS is going to seem small because it's competing with too many other sports. In markets like the Pacific Northwest or Orlando, it's a big enough deal to have equal coverage to other local teams in media and draw big crowds.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 08, 2021, 05:58:42 PM
I wonder if there is any chance that one of the top European leagues would be willing to work out an affiliation deal with MLS? Have the entire league move to the US for the first 4 or 6 matches of the season and require teams to loan players to their MLS affiliates.
This was actually attempted for a season back in 1966 by the United Soccer Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Soccer_Association), who brought 12 teams to play 12 matches during the European offseason. The teams were rebranded to represent "their" new homes, e.g. Aberdeen FC of Scotland becoming the Washington Whips, and they drew about 8,000 per game.
The league merged with another to form the North American Soccer League, which would become a juggernaut and grew far too much to sustain itself before collapsing in the 1980s.
People calling MLS "the MLS," or for that matter calling MLB "the MLB," except in the situation where the term is an adjective ("the MLS schedule runs from late winter to mid-fall"). It stands for "Major League Soccer." You obviously wouldn't say, for example, "DC United play in the Major League Soccer" (setting aside that Charles Barkley "in the Annapolis" TV commercial). You'd say "DC United play in Major League Soccer." So why would anyone think they need to insert "the" when abbreviating it to "MLS"?
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 08, 2021, 04:19:26 PMIn MLS cities, some fans care about their local team but couldn't care less about the rest of the league.
Uh, I think this occurs with all other team sports everywhere; not everyone is a fan of the sport for the sport's sake.
Once their team is out of the playoffs/tournament/finals/bowl game, there's a lot of people who just tune out.
Quote from: formulanone on May 09, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 08, 2021, 04:19:26 PMIn MLS cities, some fans care about their local team but couldn't care less about the rest of the league.
Uh, I think this occurs with all other team sports everywhere; not everyone is a fan of the sport for the sport's sake.
Once their team is out of the playoffs/tournament/finals/bowl game, there's a lot of people who just tune out.
In Boston, barely anyone cares about even our own MLS team.
Can we get at least 25 years out of a stadium before the sports team starts grousing about getting a new one? What a tremendous waste of our collective resources.
Oh boo-hoo there's not enough cocaine in the luxury boxes and hardly anywhere to park your helicopter. You're breaking my heart.
Quote from: formulanone on May 09, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
Once their team is out of the playoffs/tournament/finals/bowl game, there's a lot of people who just tune out.
Like in the 2nd or 3rd week of the season for Detroit teams?
Quote from: rawmustard on May 06, 2021, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 05, 2021, 11:47:14 PM
So tired of so many penalties or that declined penalties are announced.
At least in football the officials know they need to keep the audience informed of what's going on (be it penalties or video review). In MLB, the audience typically has no idea on why a review might be called or other administrative tasks as the umpires aren't miced up. It even is a detriment to away announcers, who are still calling games remotely. (Jon Sciambi has brought this up numerous times this season, at least once when an umpire ejected someone in a dugout. Since the camera angle pointed over the dugout at the ump, the broadcasters had no idea exactly who was ejected, something they need to be able to communicate to viewers.)
If it's declined who cares? Huge waste of time that extends the games. It's like when someone tells you all the things they could have done. If you didn't do them what's the point?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 09, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
Can we get at least 25 years out of a stadium before the sports team starts grousing about getting a new one? What a tremendous waste of our collective resources.
Oh boo-hoo there's not enough cocaine in the luxury boxes and hardly anywhere to park your helicopter. You're breaking my heart.
True. that's why prices keep escalating.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 09, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 09, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
Can we get at least 25 years out of a stadium before the sports team starts grousing about getting a new one? What a tremendous waste of our collective resources.
Oh boo-hoo there's not enough cocaine in the luxury boxes and hardly anywhere to park your helicopter. You're breaking my heart.
True. that's why prices keep escalating.
Well when helicopter boy and luxury girl are the ones supplying the most revenue they'll be the ones accommodated in the stadiums
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 09, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
People calling MLS "the MLS," or for that matter calling MLB "the MLB," except in the situation where the term is an adjective ("the MLS schedule runs from late winter to mid-fall"). It stands for "Major League Soccer." You obviously wouldn't say, for example, "DC United play in the Major League Soccer" (setting aside that Charles Barkley "in the Annapolis" TV commercial). You'd say "DC United play in Major League Soccer." So why would anyone think they need to insert "the" when abbreviating it to "MLS"?
"The NFL," "the NHL," "the NBA." People generally just say "baseball" vs. "MLB" but I think the dominant mode in conversation is "the" when abbreviated.
Well, that's because "the NFL" expands to "the National Football League", which makes grammatical sense.
Although now I want to say something like "The Rangers are a team that play the baseball" just to fuck with people.
Quote from: Alps on May 09, 2021, 02:10:07 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 09, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
People calling MLS "the MLS," or for that matter calling MLB "the MLB," except in the situation where the term is an adjective ("the MLS schedule runs from late winter to mid-fall"). It stands for "Major League Soccer." You obviously wouldn't say, for example, "DC United play in the Major League Soccer" (setting aside that Charles Barkley "in the Annapolis" TV commercial). You'd say "DC United play in Major League Soccer." So why would anyone think they need to insert "the" when abbreviating it to "MLS"?
"The NFL," "the NHL," "the NBA." People generally just say "baseball" vs. "MLB" but I think the dominant mode in conversation is "the" when abbreviated.
I've never heard anyone call it "the MLB" when speaking, though I've certainly seen it written that way.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 09, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 09, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
Can we get at least 25 years out of a stadium before the sports team starts grousing about getting a new one? What a tremendous waste of our collective resources.
Oh boo-hoo there's not enough cocaine in the luxury boxes and hardly anywhere to park your helicopter. You're breaking my heart.
True. that's why prices keep escalating.
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
I've gone to a few Sounders games for under $10 to sit in the lower bowl by searching around on secondary markets. MLS is generally more affordable, though in some markets with limited stadium capacity you'd have to get your foot in the door early for cheaper season tickets.
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
Quote from: GaryV on May 09, 2021, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 09, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
Once their team is out of the playoffs/tournament/finals/bowl game, there's a lot of people who just tune out.
Like in the 2nd or 3rd week of the season for Detroit teams?
Hey the Red Wings won 4 cups not too long ago
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 09, 2021, 05:15:42 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 09, 2021, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 09, 2021, 11:00:41 AM
Once their team is out of the playoffs/tournament/finals/bowl game, there's a lot of people who just tune out.
Like in the 2nd or 3rd week of the season for Detroit teams?
Hey the Red Wings won 4 cups not too long ago
Oh it's been awhile they haven't won since 2008.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
You can get overcharged to watch soccer in this country if you want...just if the teams playing are from Europe, Mexico, or it's a national team game.
The 2026 World Cup will have some really high ticket prices, guaranteed.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Quote from: kphoger on May 04, 2021, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 04, 2021, 12:49:58 AM
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Quote from: texaskdog on May 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 03, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Soccer fields are too big. Heck, why not just play on a 40-acre square?
An average-sized professional soccer pitch is 76,900 sq ft (but there are size variations allowed by FIFA), while an NFL field is about 47,700 sq ft. Not too different in the scheme of things, which allows the two sports to share stadiums when properly designed.
Yes but in football the teams actually score
So do soccer teams. We just use normal counting.
(Another major annoyance: the ignorance of soccer, the one true world's game, displayed by the American public)
American football scores more. American football has far fewer 0-0 (before overtime) games than association football does.
Quality over quantity.
A goal is something that has to be earned, while a touchdown is just the expected end of a play.
A good scoreless draw is far more entertaining than a six-goal match. If you gave the sport an actual shot, you'd understand.
I've given it a shot, but the field is too big. That means there's too much just piddling around by the players. Shrink the thing in half, and I bet it would be a lot more entertaining.
Cut the pitch to 50 m and what you have is basically Hockey with too many people on the ice, too big of a ball, and players and a ball that move too slowly. It was exceptional and exciting, but a USA female player hit a goal from 54 m. A 50 m pitch would likely eliminate most of those 1-0 games, but I have a feeling that it would go too far in the other direction. 25-24 shootouts would be more common. The thing that I hate is that FIFA and IAAF don't make tracks and footy pitches compatible. 83 m straightaways and a 100 m pitch make it hard to hold races and matches in the same place.
Quote from: I-55 on May 09, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 09, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 09, 2021, 11:41:05 AM
Can we get at least 25 years out of a stadium before the sports team starts grousing about getting a new one? What a tremendous waste of our collective resources.
Oh boo-hoo there's not enough cocaine in the luxury boxes and hardly anywhere to park your helicopter. You're breaking my heart.
True. that's why prices keep escalating.
Well when helicopter boy and luxury girl are the ones supplying the most revenue they'll be the ones accommodated in the stadiums
Minnesota was really into buying billionaires stadiums, and then they got to sell "seat licenses"
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
Quote from: texaskdog on June 22, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
14 races on the card, an average of about 2 minutes per race, so 28 minutes at a cost of $2.68 per minute. Similar to paying $160 for an NFL ticket or $130 for an NBA ticket.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 08:44:09 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 22, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
14 races on the card, an average of about 2 minutes per race, so 28 minutes at a cost of $2.68 per minute. Similar to paying $160 for an NFL ticket or $130 for an NBA ticket.
But there's only 1 race that really matters. You're not buying one Superbowl ticket to see 14 games.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 22, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 08:44:09 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 22, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
14 races on the card, an average of about 2 minutes per race, so 28 minutes at a cost of $2.68 per minute. Similar to paying $160 for an NFL ticket or $130 for an NBA ticket.
But there's only 1 race that really matters. You're not buying one Superbowl ticket to see 14 games.
The first 3 quarters of an NBA game don't really matter either, but you have to buy a ticket to the whole game.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 22, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 08:44:09 AM
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Quote from: Scott5114 on May 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
14 races on the card, an average of about 2 minutes per race, so 28 minutes at a cost of $2.68 per minute. Similar to paying $160 for an NFL ticket or $130 for an NBA ticket.
But there's only 1 race that really matters. You're not buying one Superbowl ticket to see 14 games.
The first 3 quarters of an NBA game don't really matter either, but you have to buy a ticket to the whole game.
The fourth quarter of an NBA game doesn't even matter until the playoffs, and even then, until at least game four of a given series.
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 22, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 08:44:09 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on June 22, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
14 races on the card, an average of about 2 minutes per race, so 28 minutes at a cost of $2.68 per minute. Similar to paying $160 for an NFL ticket or $130 for an NBA ticket.
But there's only 1 race that really matters. You're not buying one Superbowl ticket to see 14 games.
The first 3 quarters of an NBA game don't really matter either, but you have to buy a ticket to the whole game.
Each play tends to be more notable in the 4th quarter, and people tend to pay attention more. But what happens in the rest of the game affects the outcome.
Race 4 on the same day as the Kentucky Derby doesn't affect Race 12.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 22, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 22, 2021, 09:16:03 AM
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Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 10, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 09, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 09, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
Y'know, there's one major league in this country where you can still get tickets for less than an arm and a leg in normal times.
Yeah, you can see some Kentucky Derby qualifying races in person for free.
But if soccer and horsies were more popular, you can bet those leagues would be pulling the same shit.
Admission isn't a principal source of revenue for horse racing, and wasn't even when it was more popular than it is today.
Hell, admission for the Derby itself, which is more or less the Super Bowl for horse racing, was only $75 this year if you bought it more than a month in advance.
Think of the cost per minute!
14 races on the card, an average of about 2 minutes per race, so 28 minutes at a cost of $2.68 per minute. Similar to paying $160 for an NFL ticket or $130 for an NBA ticket.
But there's only 1 race that really matters. You're not buying one Superbowl ticket to see 14 games.
The first 3 quarters of an NBA game don't really matter either, but you have to buy a ticket to the whole game.
Each play tends to be more notable in the 4th quarter, and people tend to pay attention more. But what happens in the rest of the game affects the outcome.
Race 4 on the same day as the Kentucky Derby doesn't affect Race 12.
Many of the jockeys for Race 12 are in Race 4. There certainly can be an effect.
Race 4 absolutely affects Race 12 if nobody claims the early Pick 6.
In short: England.