Nevada

[pderocco]

On a side note, I loved terribles. Vegas being one of my favorite cities always reminds me of me getting close to Vegas when I see a terribles. Hope someone can find a way to reopen their casino. I'm not sure if that'll happen though.

Terrible name. They used to be Terrible Herbst, but that never had the alliterative elegance of Rotten Robbie. I wonder at the psychology behind these names.

[DenverBrian]

On a side note, I loved terribles. Vegas being one of my favorite cities always reminds me of me getting close to Vegas when I see a terribles. Hope someone can find a way to reopen their casino. I'm not sure if that'll happen though.

Terrible name. They used to be Terrible Herbst, but that never had the alliterative elegance of Rotten Robbie. I wonder at the psychology behind these names.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrible_Herbst
Both Terrible's and Terrible Herbst are used in Las Vegas, depending on the location.

[Plutonic Panda]

people in Vegas Drive

Vegas Drive has people in it??

On a side note, I loved terribles. Vegas being one of my favorite cities always reminds me of me getting close to Vegas when I see a terribles. Hope someone can find a way to reopen their casino. I'm not sure if that'll happen though.

Yeah, vegas is one of my favorite cities as well. I should also clarify that. Vegas does have crazy drivers. But there's just a difference in between how they act from the culture in OKC where everyone has this. I own the lane mentality And in Vegas, everyone just doesn't give a s*** They just want to get to where the fuck They're going as quickly as possible

[Plutonic Panda]

On a side note, I loved terribles. Vegas being one of my favorite cities always reminds me of me getting close to Vegas when I see a terribles. Hope someone can find a way to reopen their casino. I'm not sure if that'll happen though.

Terrible name. They used to be Terrible Herbst, but that never had the alliterative elegance of Rotten Robbie. I wonder at the psychology behind these names.

Good point. Maybe someone Came up with a really bad name. That was worse than the name. Terribles and someone said Hey. That's a terrible name. And then another person said you know what? Let's just call it terribles

[The Ghostbuster]

Does anyone know when the CC-215 segment of the Las Vegas Beltway will be converted into Interstate 215? Since the Centennial Bowl interchange upgrade was completed in December, the CC-215 segment is now completely up to Interstate Standards. Hopefully, the conversion happens soon.

[Sub-Urbanite]

As the legend goes, rivals called gas station owner Ed Herbst "Terrible" for having lower prices. Rather than fight it, he embraced the nickname.

On a side note, I loved terribles. Vegas being one of my favorite cities always reminds me of me getting close to Vegas when I see a terribles. Hope someone can find a way to reopen their casino. I'm not sure if that'll happen though.

Terrible name. They used to be Terrible Herbst, but that never had the alliterative elegance of Rotten Robbie. I wonder at the psychology behind these names.

Good point. Maybe someone Came up with a really bad name. That was worse than the name. Terribles and someone said Hey. That's a terrible name. And then another person said you know what? Let's just call it terribles

[cl94]

Does anyone know when the CC-215 segment of the Las Vegas Beltway will be converted into Interstate 215? Since the Centennial Bowl interchange upgrade was completed in December, the CC-215 segment is now completely up to Interstate Standards. Hopefully, the conversion happens soon.

No official word. Nothing has gone before the NDOT board, no word of an application to FHWA for designation. My guess is that the parties are working behind the scenes to agree on terms of a mileage swap. Nor have there been any official changes on the I-11 front apart from a line in the 2024 route log stating that I-515 will disappear this year.

I will note that, even if an I-designation is approved, it is possible that what is currently CC 215 will remain under county control for some time. The entirety of current I-215 only came under state control in the past decade, despite existing since 1993.

[gonealookin]

As the legend goes, rivals called gas station owner Ed Herbst "Terrible" for having lower prices. Rather than fight it, he embraced the nickname.

Yes, that's also the logic behind the naming of the Idaho-based "Stinker" chain.

Farris Lind, the man behind the Skunk, considered himself to be a real Stinker. He opened his first gas station with the promise of keeping fuel prices down to undercut the "Big Boys" high prices. Quickly he became known as a real "Stinker" in the gas industry, so, what better way to identify the station causing all the stink than by naming his stations; Stinker. Everyone who pulled into a Stinker station knew they were getting the same quality gas as the other guys, but at a real cut-rate price!

Lind opened his first Stinker Gas Station in Twin Falls, ID in 1936. The first Stinker in Boise opened at 16th and Front Street. Soon after, stations started opening up all over Idaho, Utah and Nevada.

[pderocco]

Yes, that's also the logic behind the naming of the Idaho-based "Stinker" chain.

Farris Lind, the man behind the Skunk, considered himself to be a real Stinker. He opened his first gas station with the promise of keeping fuel prices down to undercut the "Big Boys" high prices. Quickly he became known as a real "Stinker" in the gas industry, so, what better way to identify the station causing all the stink than by naming his stations; Stinker. Everyone who pulled into a Stinker station knew they were getting the same quality gas as the other guys, but at a real cut-rate price!

Lind opened his first Stinker Gas Station in Twin Falls, ID in 1936. The first Stinker in Boise opened at 16th and Front Street. Soon after, stations started opening up all over Idaho, Utah and Nevada.

And with those anorexic profit margins, the bathrooms probably stank too.

[roadfro]

Does anyone know when the CC-215 segment of the Las Vegas Beltway will be converted into Interstate 215? Since the Centennial Bowl interchange upgrade was completed in December, the CC-215 segment is now completely up to Interstate Standards. Hopefully, the conversion happens soon.

No official word. Nothing has gone before the NDOT board, no word of an application to FHWA for designation. My guess is that the parties are working behind the scenes to agree on terms of a mileage swap. Nor have there been any official changes on the I-11 front apart from a line in the 2024 route log stating that I-515 will disappear this year.

I will note that, even if an I-designation is approved, it is possible that what is currently CC 215 will remain under county control for some time. The entirety of current I-215 only came under state control in the past decade, despite existing since 1993.

I think it will be interesting to see if NDOT decides to submit anything on I-215 or I-11 to FHWA or to AASHTO in time for the Fall 2024 AASHTO Route Numbering Committee to meet. That would give us more of a timeline.

I would also guess that the terms of a mileage swap will need to be worked out before NDOT will take over the 215. That's what happened with Summerlin Pkwy (which had been under City of Las Vegas control since its original construction in the early 1990s and all subsequent extensions). NDOT's highway log for the year that NDOT took over Summerlin Pkwy, IIRC, also had significant reductions to the length of Charleston Blvd (SR 159) under NDOT maintenance within city limits. There's plenty of urban route mileage within unincorporated Clark County that would likely be attractive for NDOT to offload in order to take on maintenance of the beltway—and I assume the county would much rather not have that extra bureaucracy layer on some of those roads too.

[cl94]

I don't think we can even rule out arterials inside city limits going to the county. Charleston between Commerce and Fremont is county, despite that being inside Las Vegas limits. Though you would think that they'd try and download Rainbow, Flamingo, Tropicana, etc. before looking inside Las Vegas itself.

[Scott5114]

Yeah, I'm not really sure why some of the streets in the valley were state highways to begin with. Why is Rainbow maintained by NDOT and, say, Buffalo isn't?

(not that I'm complaining, NDOT has done a very nice job with the streets they're responsible for in my experience)

[cl94]

Yeah, I'm not really sure why some of the streets in the valley were state highways to begin with. Why is Rainbow maintained by NDOT and, say, Buffalo isn't?

(not that I'm complaining, NDOT has done a very nice job with the streets they're responsible for in my experience)

Politics. It is worth noting that NDOT has been trying to get rid of anything that isn't of regional significance for quite some time, but not gonna happen at this point without a mileage swap.

Re: maintenance, NDOT roads in the Reno area are not in great shape. Parts of 580/395 are in worse shape than most local surface streets because we're still dealing with original concrete, while surface streets tend to be chip/slurry sealed every few years. NDOT plowing this year was horrendous compared to local agencies. And don't get me started on the condition of US 50.

[Scott5114]

Yeah, I'm not really sure why some of the streets in the valley were state highways to begin with. Why is Rainbow maintained by NDOT and, say, Buffalo isn't?

(not that I'm complaining, NDOT has done a very nice job with the streets they're responsible for in my experience)

Politics. It is worth noting that NDOT has been trying to get rid of anything that isn't of regional significance for quite some time, but not gonna happen at this point without a mileage swap.

Right, I know that you can't just drop a road on a government that isn't ready or willing to maintain it. But my question is more what caused these to become state highways in the first place. Were they originally constructed as such through some sort of state program intended to spur development of the valley or something? (Which sort of seems laughable these days, but I could see it being a bright idea in the 80s or something.) Or was it more of a "the state wants Clark County to do something so we'll have NDOT take over Rainbow/Jones/Charleston/Nellis/whatever" kind of arrangement? And how was it determined which arterials the state would take over?

Re: maintenance, NDOT roads in the Reno area are not in great shape. Parts of 580/395 are in worse shape than most local surface streets because we're still dealing with original concrete, while surface streets tend to be chip/slurry sealed every few years. NDOT plowing this year was horrendous compared to local agencies. And don't get me started on the condition of US 50.

I'm sorry to hear that. One of the most difficult parts of managing a state that's laid out the way Nevada is would be the natural tendency to focus on the most heavily populated (and thus politically powerful) part of the state...but you can't just neglect the needs of the other metropolitan areas. It should be our responsibility in the south to make sure the north is getting taken care of too, since we're all really in the same boat when it comes down to it.

[roadfro]

Yeah, I'm not really sure why some of the streets in the valley were state highways to begin with. Why is Rainbow maintained by NDOT and, say, Buffalo isn't?

(not that I'm complaining, NDOT has done a very nice job with the streets they're responsible for in my experience)

I've always been kinda curious about this myself.

The 1976 renumbering put aid numbers on a lot of arterial roads that were under various federal/state aid programs (e.g. Jones Blvd was FAU 596 and Decatur Blvd was FAU 597), but not all of that was state-maintained (parts of Jones were [hence today's SR 596], but Decatur was not). But I've never been able to figure out why NDOT had ownership/ maintenance over certain section line arterial and other roads to begin with. I imagine they originally built our improved some of these, but why?

[gonealookin]

A June 7 opening date has been announced for the new bridge over the Colorado River, the westward extension of Bullhead Parkway in Bullhead City, AZ and the new road continuing westward to connect with Needles Highway.  It's the third bridge in the Laughlin/Bullhead City area, adding to the one up near the Laughlin casino center connecting NV 163 with AZ 95 and AZ 68, and the Aztec Road bridge at the Avi Resort, just north of the common point of Nevada, Arizona and California.

https://twitter.com/8NewsNow/status/1780420940070846929

[Max Rockatansky]

That would have been handy when I was working in Bullhead and Laughlin a decade ago.

[pderocco]

Someone's probably already planning a casino in Laughlin right by the bridge.

[Ted$8roadFan]

They should name it the Don Laughlin bridge after the recently deceased Don Laughlin.

[cl94]

I'm sorry to hear that. One of the most difficult parts of managing a state that's laid out the way Nevada is would be the natural tendency to focus on the most heavily populated (and thus politically powerful) part of the state...but you can't just neglect the needs of the other metropolitan areas. It should be our responsibility in the south to make sure the north is getting taken care of too, since we're all really in the same boat when it comes down to it.

I guess I should clarify: the problem isn't that state roads are bad compared to other states, they're just worse than local roads. Surface road pavement quality in the Reno/Carson areas is generally amazing, one of the benefits of having a high local gas tax. Things like 580 and 395, with rough pavement and a few potholes, are quite jarring when most of the surface roads are perfect.

US 50 west of Carson is objectively bad when compared to state roads in other states. Many years of freeze/thaw have taken their toll. That is thankfully being resurfaced this year. And state plowing in Northern Nevada this winter was inexcusable, with both 80 and 580 taking multiple days to get cleared after snow fell. I know that northern NV has the ability to keep things clear, because similar snowfall totals last winter did not result in the freeways being crippled for so long.

(personal opinion emphasized)

[Edit: minor typo]

[vdeane]

I know that northern NV has the ability to keep things clear, because similar snowfall totals last winter did not result in the freeways being crippled for so long.

NYSDOT was noticeably worse with plowing this winter than past winters as well.  I suspect the growing shortage of plow drivers has become too big of a problem to disguise with things like tow plows and redeploying plow drivers with every major storm.

(personal opinion)

[Rothman]

I know that northern NV has the ability to keep things clear, because similar snowfall totals last winter did not result in the freeways being crippled for so long.

NYSDOT was noticeably worse with plowing this winter than past winters as well.  I suspect the growing shortage of plow drivers has become too big of a problem to disguise with things like tow plows and redeploying plow drivers with every major storm.

(personal opinion)

Depends on the Region.  Region 3 had a full contingent of drivers...but no snow to plow...

[Sub-Urbanite]

The irony is that the North patently ignored the needs of Southern Nevada until roughly 2005.

Yeah, I'm not really sure why some of the streets in the valley were state highways to begin with. Why is Rainbow maintained by NDOT and, say, Buffalo isn't?

(not that I'm complaining, NDOT has done a very nice job with the streets they're responsible for in my experience)

Politics. It is worth noting that NDOT has been trying to get rid of anything that isn't of regional significance for quite some time, but not gonna happen at this point without a mileage swap.

Right, I know that you can't just drop a road on a government that isn't ready or willing to maintain it. But my question is more what caused these to become state highways in the first place. Were they originally constructed as such through some sort of state program intended to spur development of the valley or something? (Which sort of seems laughable these days, but I could see it being a bright idea in the 80s or something.) Or was it more of a "the state wants Clark County to do something so we'll have NDOT take over Rainbow/Jones/Charleston/Nellis/whatever" kind of arrangement? And how was it determined which arterials the state would take over?

Re: maintenance, NDOT roads in the Reno area are not in great shape. Parts of 580/395 are in worse shape than most local surface streets because we're still dealing with original concrete, while surface streets tend to be chip/slurry sealed every few years. NDOT plowing this year was horrendous compared to local agencies. And don't get me started on the condition of US 50.

I'm sorry to hear that. One of the most difficult parts of managing a state that's laid out the way Nevada is would be the natural tendency to focus on the most heavily populated (and thus politically powerful) part of the state...but you can't just neglect the needs of the other metropolitan areas. It should be our responsibility in the south to make sure the north is getting taken care of too, since we're all really in the same boat when it comes down to it.