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I-5 Rose Quarter (Portland) Widening Project
Bickendan:
I-205 between Sunnybrook Blvd and Johnson Creek Blvd. It's the only one, though the ROW would support eight laning 205 between Foster and I-84, possibly between JCB and Foster as well.
Vincent:
--- Quote from: nexus73 on February 18, 2015, 03:18:48 PM ---Gotta keep those looks fresh...LOL! Typical ODOT. Study something to death and then do nothing. Good work if you can get it!
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These aren't just planning studies for fun. Transportation funding is a competitive process. Quite often planned projects are never constructed.
At first planners look at the problems and what it takes to fix: usually a hell of a lot of money. When ODOT goes looking for money nobody wants to fund it because there are other projects that have a better ROI. A decade later the problem still exists so the planners take another look at improvements that will have the best ROI. In this case, it was enough to get a preliminary design. With some design work done they'll have a better understanding of construction costs and will be in a better position to secure fast-paced funds like ARRA.
Or if you can find $250M I am confident ODOT will be happy to start work today :)
nexus73:
--- Quote from: Vincent on February 18, 2015, 05:01:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: nexus73 on February 18, 2015, 03:18:48 PM ---Gotta keep those looks fresh...LOL! Typical ODOT. Study something to death and then do nothing. Good work if you can get it!
--- End quote ---
These aren't just planning studies for fun. Transportation funding is a competitive process. Quite often planned projects are never constructed.
At first planners look at the problems and what it takes to fix: usually a hell of a lot of money. When ODOT goes looking for money nobody wants to fund it because there are other projects that have a better ROI. A decade later the problem still exists so the planners take another look at improvements that will have the best ROI. In this case, it was enough to get a preliminary design. With some design work done they'll have a better understanding of construction costs and will be in a better position to secure fast-paced funds like ARRA.
Or if you can find $250M I am confident ODOT will be happy to start work today :)
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Procedural BS galore. Wait until there is something that needs doing, money is in hand (only needs to be close, shit happens in any case, see the gov't track record on projects of all types), draw up the plan and BUILD THE PROJECT. That's how you save money from being wasted on studies. Since you show an Oregon-like location I'll assume you know about the waste of money called CRC planning. You might like seeing your tax $$$ going down non-productive paths but I and the vast majority of Oregonians don't.
Rick
Vincent:
--- Quote from: nexus73 on February 18, 2015, 08:45:58 PM ---Wait until there is something that needs doing, money is in hand (only needs to be close, shit happens in any case, see the gov't track record on projects of all types), draw up the plan and BUILD THE PROJECT.
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I will defer to your experience with transportation funding mechanisms. We don't need to think ahead about what we should build.
nexus73:
--- Quote from: Vincent on February 20, 2015, 11:42:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: nexus73 on February 18, 2015, 08:45:58 PM ---Wait until there is something that needs doing, money is in hand (only needs to be close, shit happens in any case, see the gov't track record on projects of all types), draw up the plan and BUILD THE PROJECT.
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I will defer to your experience with transportation funding mechanisms. We don't need to think ahead about what we should build.
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Nice way to deflect there buddy. Why do you have so much faith in government "efficiency"?
Rick
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