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Started by Poiponen13, November 23, 2022, 12:46:37 PM

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Poiponen13

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 27, 2022, 02:49:49 PM
Or a Norilsk-like city in middle of nowhere in Canada or Alaska. Norilsk is in middle of nowhere, as it does have road or rail connection to other parts of Russia.

Soviet Era mining cities don't exactly have great track records for human rights violations.  But sure, forcing people to experience something new (AKA Gulags) in building an Arctic mining city is one way to go.
Or Antarctic city.


Scott5114

MISSING: Any reason anyone would want to live in any of these cities
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2022, 03:28:33 PM
MISSING: Any reason anyone would want to live in any of these cities

That's the key, disregarding what people want and forcing them clearly seems to be the only viable option.  Selling it as "new experience"  is a way to wash that Gulag taste down.

Scott5114

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2022, 03:28:33 PM
MISSING: Any reason anyone would want to live in any of these cities

That's the key, disregarding what people want and forcing them clearly seems to be the only viable option.  Selling it as "new experience"  is a way to wash that Gulag taste down.

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Takumi

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2022, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2022, 03:28:33 PM
MISSING: Any reason anyone would want to live in any of these cities

That's the key, disregarding what people want and forcing them clearly seems to be the only viable option.  Selling it as "new experience"  is a way to wash that Gulag taste down.

"I think this is needed."

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webny99

Also missing: a reason why this thread shouldn't be in fictional.

Scott5114

Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2022, 10:59:21 PM
Also missing: a reason why this thread shouldn't be in fictional.

Fictional Highways is for fictional highways. ("Fictional Municipality/County Changes" is also not in Fictional Highways.)
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webny99

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Quote from: Scott5114 on November 28, 2022, 02:46:07 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2022, 10:59:21 PM
Also missing: a reason why this thread shouldn't be in fictional.

Fictional Highways is for fictional highways. ("Fictional Municipality/County Changes" is also not in Fictional Highways.)

Yes, although this is fictional islands with fictional highways, so I would still call it a fit for that board.

(It's arguably an even better fit than real islands with fictional highways, as has been borne out by the discussion so far ...)

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: webny99 on November 28, 2022, 09:00:20 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 28, 2022, 02:46:07 AM
Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2022, 10:59:21 PM
Also missing: a reason why this thread shouldn't be in fictional.

Fictional Highways is for fictional highways. ("Fictional Municipality/County Changes" is also not in Fictional Highways.)

Yes, although this is fictional islands with fictional highways, so I would still call it a fit for that board.

(It's arguably an even better fit than real islands with fictional highways, as has been borne out by the discussion so far ...)

We got some fictional island Gulags, they tend to come with Roads of Bones.

jakeroot

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 02:59:33 PM
Soviet Era mining cities don't exactly have great track records for human rights violations.

Last I checked, their track record was actually rather monumental.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 26, 2022, 03:57:43 PM
Canada could also build islands on its coast.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 27, 2022, 11:20:22 AM
No islands in Canada.

Well, that didn't take long.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 27, 2022, 11:40:24 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 11:21:22 AM

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 27, 2022, 11:20:22 AM
Canada could build new city to Arctic (north of Arctic Circle).

But why when there is so much non-Arctic space available to build upon?

Because there are no major cities north of Arctic Circle in North America, compared to Europe. This city would have over 100,000 people.

Nope, you're wrong.  This city would only have 64,500 people.  Not even close to the 100k you claim.

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 27, 2022, 11:47:23 AM

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2022, 11:42:06 AM
Why would people move to the Arctic Circle en mass when they haven't done so already through the entire course of Canadian history?

Have new point of view on life beacuse this city would see midnight sun and polar night which only very few North American populated places see

Right.  They haven't already moved there because they've never heard of midnight sun or polar night.  After the city is built, they'll suddently learn about it and want to go there.  Not just for a week, of course, but for the rest of their lives.  I agree, that outcome is pretty much inevitable.
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GaryV

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?

Poiponen13

Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.

triplemultiplex

Chop off Florida along the I-4 corridor.  Boom; new island.
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GaryV

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?

Hunty2022

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 24, 2022, 01:10:39 PM
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Poiponen13

Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

Scott5114

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
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Poiponen13

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
Populated places would go to existing Arctic islands.

Scott5114

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
Populated places would go to existing Arctic islands.
So what is preventing these "populated places" from already existing on the existing islands?
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Poiponen13

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
Populated places would go to existing Arctic islands.
So what is preventing these "populated places" from already existing on the existing islands?
Having a new island to live - without any current populated places.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
Populated places would go to existing Arctic islands.
So what is preventing these "populated places" from already existing on the existing islands?
Having a new island to live - without any current populated places.

There are lots of unpopulated islands already.  Why build new when there are plenty uninhabited to go round?

Scott5114

Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 30, 2022, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: GaryV on November 30, 2022, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on November 30, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: GaryV on November 29, 2022, 07:58:47 PM
There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
These islands could get settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar. The cities would rival Tromso, Murmansk and Norilsk by population.
So what is preventing these "settlements, towns, cities, highways and similar" on the existing islands? And why would they suddenly appear on new islands?
Have new populated places on Arctic islands.

There's already quite a few islands in the Canadian Arctic. Some of them are quite large. Most of them sparsely inhabited. Why would anyone think that a new island in the same area would attract multi-thousands of new settlers?
Populated places would go to existing Arctic islands.
So what is preventing these "populated places" from already existing on the existing islands?
Having a new island to live - without any current populated places.
So what is preventing people from living on the islands that are there now?
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