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The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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Quote from: Laura on August 28, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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Actually, corporate sponsorship is nothing new. The home stadium of the Chicago Cubs is called Wrigley Field, named after the chewing gum company that is based there. Also, a former minor-league stadium in Los Angeles used the Wrigley Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrigley_Field_(Los_Angeles)) moniker as well; however, the Chicago ballpark was just called Cubs Park at the time.

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Quote from: Laura on August 28, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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Actually, corporate sponsorship is nothing new. The home stadium of the Chicago Cubs is called Wrigley Field, named after the chewing gum company that is based there. Also, a former minor-league stadium in Los Angeles used the Wrigley Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrigley_Field_(Los_Angeles)) moniker as well; however, the Chicago ballpark was just called Cubs Park at the time.

Didn't the Wrigleys own the Cubs, as well as the chewing gum company? That would suggest that the naming goes slightly deeper than just a corporate sponsorship.

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Quote from: Laura on August 28, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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Actually, corporate sponsorship is nothing new. The home stadium of the Chicago Cubs is called Wrigley Field, named after the chewing gum company that is based there. Also, a former minor-league stadium in Los Angeles used the Wrigley Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrigley_Field_(Los_Angeles)) moniker as well; however, the Chicago ballpark was just called Cubs Park at the time.

Didn't the Wrigleys own the Cubs, as well as the chewing gum company? That would suggest that the naming goes slightly deeper than just a corporate sponsorship.

William Wrigley, Jr., owned both.  This was not a naming-rights deal.

Green bay packers were named as part of a deal.

"Lambeau solicited funds for uniforms from his employer, the Indian Packing Company. He was given $500 for uniforms and equipment, on the condition that the team be named for its sponsor."

Quote from: SteveG1988 on August 30, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
Green bay packers were named as part of a deal.

"Lambeau solicited funds for uniforms from his employer, the Indian Packing Company. He was given $500 for uniforms and equipment, on the condition that the team be named for its sponsor."

My understanding is that pro football teams in those days often were sponsored by local businesses, my favorite example being the NFL's Tonawanda Kardex, named for the filing-card company that sponsored them. 

Quote from: Laura on August 28, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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And given that teams do get moved, I also believe that the team name should stay with the old city.  Colts are associated with the horse racing that Baltimore's Preakness is famous for.  Not such a good name for a team in the home of the Indy 500.

And it's a good thing that the Oklahoma City Thunder left the Supersonics name for Seattle.  If Seattle ever gets a basketball team again, they can become the Supersonics.

Remember when the Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee, and kept the name for a few years?

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And it's a good thing that the Oklahoma City Thunder left the Supersonics name for Seattle.  If Seattle ever gets a basketball team again, they can become the Supersonics.

I find that whole thing amusing because Oklahoma City was the municipality selected for the controversial sonic boom tests in 1964 to examine what effects supersonic passenger flights might have on a city. A sonic boom can sound quite like an extremely loud thunderclap, which makes me find it amusing that a team called the SuperSonics changed its name to "Thunder" when moving to a city that had been subjected to eight sonic booms per day for a roughly six-month period.

(Of course, the name "SuperSonics" represented one of Boeing's biggest debacles, the failed effort to build the Boeing 2707 SST that would have competed with Concorde, but when the franchise was founded everyone assumed there would be an American SST at some point.)

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a franchise keeping the team name when it moves unless the name would be utterly illogical–for example, it would have made no sense at all for the Quebec Nordiques franchise to continue to use the name "Nordiques" after the team moved to Denver, and it would have been silly for the Montreal Expos franchise to continue to use "Expos" after moving to Washington DC because "Expos" referred to the 1967 World's Fair in Montreal. (The Houston Oilers maintaining their name for two years after moving is an example of absurdity.) Realistically, it's kind of silly for the NFL to view the Baltimore Ravens as an "expansion franchise" when in all ways that mattered the club was the relocated original Cleveland Browns.

Returning to the issue of naming roads for businesses or the like, the issue of naming rights, or of relocated franchises, poses the same issue as to roads that it does as to subway stops, as I mentioned in post #22 in this thread. It makes a lot more sense to name a street running past a stadium "Stadium Way" (or Drive, or Street, or whatever) than it does to name it, say, "PSI.net Street." Of course, even a neutral name isn't perfect: Over in Prince George's County, Maryland, the most direct route between the Capital Beltway and the Redskins' FedEx Field is a street named "Arena Drive." The name dates back to the old Capital Centre arena built by the late Abe Pollin, longtime owner of the NBA's Bullets and the NHL's Capitals, both of whom played at the Capital Centre from 1973 and 1974, respectively, through 1997. The Capital Centre was demolished in 2002 and replaced by a shopping center, but the name "Arena Drive" remains. I suppose having a stadium at one end would theoretically maintain some level of logic, even though a football stadium isn't normally considered an "arena," but technically the "Arena Drive" name doesn't run all the way up to the Redskins' stadium–the street changes name to "Bishop Peebles Drive" partway between the Beltway and the stadium, referring to a pastor (not a real bishop) at a nearby "megachurch" who himself wound up in protracted litigation over who was in charge of the congregation.

.....speaking of which, there used to be a road leading to FedEx Field called "Raljon Road" because the late Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke had prevailed upon the US Postal Service to give FedEx Field a postal address in "Raljon, Maryland" (a name derived from the names of his sons, Ralph and John). After Dan Snyder bought the team, the franchise stopped using the "Raljon" address and the road was later renamed to "FedEx Way" after Snyder sold the stadium naming rights. Perhaps a fine all-around example of the absurdity of naming roads in this manner?!!!

The road leading north from FedEx Field is named "Redskin Road." If the agitators have their way as to the team name, or else when the team moves to a new stadium located elsewhere, that name will be outdated too.

Another thing that pisses me off is when rich benefactors basically pay to put their names on the stadium. Bud Walton Arena is a good example. Razorback Stadium is another. The guy Razorback Stadium is named after had nothing to do with the Razorbacks (there is a building at TU in Tulsa named after him too.)

Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a franchise keeping the team name when it moves unless the name would be utterly illogical.

Absurd: Utah Jazz.
Not absurd: New Orleans Hornets.
Geographically appropriate but absurd for the NBA: New Orleans Pelicans.

Quote from: jbnv on September 05, 2014, 07:23:50 PM
Absurd: Utah Jazz.

The Jazz used to be in New Orleans, didn't they?

Regarding the OKC Thunder, I thought the name was because of Oklahoma's reputation for stormy weather.

Quote from: bugo on September 05, 2014, 06:39:46 PM
Another thing that pisses me off is when rich benefactors basically pay to put their names on the stadium. Bud Walton Arena is a good example. Razorback Stadium is another. The guy Razorback Stadium is named after had nothing to do with the Razorbacks (there is a building at TU in Tulsa named after him too.)

University of Florida's stadium is named for Ben Hill Griffin; a wealthy benefactor from the state's citrus and cattle industry in Central Florida. He was neither a student nor  an athlete at UF. He donated a staggering sum to the university, from what I've heard.

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Quote from: jbnv on September 05, 2014, 07:23:50 PM
Absurd: Utah Jazz.

The Jazz used to be in New Orleans, didn't they?

Regarding the OKC Thunder, I thought the name was because of Oklahoma's reputation for stormy weather.

That is correct as to "Thunder," but it's still an amusing name for those of us with a sense for aviation history.

Regarding the comments from jbnv, that's why I said there's nothing "inherently" wrong with a team keeping its name following a move unless it'd be utterly illogical. "Utah Jazz" is one I think is silly, whereas "New Orleans Jazz" was an excellent name. Then you have the NFL Rams, who started as the Cleveland Rams, became the Los Angeles Rams, and are now the St. Louis Rams. There's nothing about "Rams" that'd make it inappropriate to keep that name when moving. (You could say the same about the Chicago/St. Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals.)

Quote from: jbnv on September 05, 2014, 07:23:50 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a franchise keeping the team name when it moves unless the name would be utterly illogical.

Absurd: Utah Jazz.
Not absurd: New Orleans Hornets.
Geographically appropriate but absurd for the NBA: New Orleans Pelicans.

Isn't jazz illegal in Utah?

LA Lakers, anyone?  In a region so dry it couldn't be settled without taking water from hundreds of miles away?  Minneapolis called and wants its common sense back.

Hornets made much more sense in Charlotte, the "Hornets' nest of insurrection" during the Revolution.

Some teams were paired nicely with another but are no longer, like the two St. Louis Cardinals, two New York Giants, Kansas City Royals & Kings, or Boston Braves & Redskins.

The best-traveling name was, of course, the Fort Wayne Pistons moving to Detroit (honorable mention for Baltimore Bullets' move to Washington).

Quote from: 1995hoo on September 05, 2014, 12:22:12 PM
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a franchise keeping the team name when it moves unless the name would be utterly illogical–for example, it would have made no sense at all for the Quebec Nordiques franchise to continue to use the name "Nordiques" after the team moved to Denver, and it would have been silly for the Montreal Expos franchise to continue to use "Expos" after moving to Washington DC because "Expos" referred to the 1967 World's Fair in Montreal. (The Houston Oilers maintaining their name for two years after moving is an example of absurdity.) Realistically, it's kind of silly for the NFL to view the Baltimore Ravens as an "expansion franchise" when in all ways that mattered the club was the relocated original Cleveland Browns.

Lol, yeah, that's a load of crap. Technically the "new" Cleveland Browns is an expansion since the players and personnel came from Cleveland to Baltimore. The NFL (particularly Paul Tagliabue) was a huge dick to Baltimore by intentionally denying us an expansion team in the early 1990's and giving teams to Charlotte and Jacksonville instead. Without Art Modell moving the team when he did, we still would not have a team.

Anyway, I can see where the Ravens are "technically" an expansion team because we did not take Cleveland's name and history with us, which was so critical and such a turning point for the professional sports industry. We don't deserve to claim Cleveland's history any more than the Colts have to claim Baltimore's history. (That said, I'm glad the Colts have had success in Indy solely so that they have their own heroes and history - Thank you Peyton Manning.) Also, Modell purposely went out of his way to connect the Baltimore Colts history with the Ravens history, which we still cling to furiously.

I know I'm looking at this from the sociological standpoint, but a team's identity is tied in with a city, so the franchise name and history should never move even if the personnel does. The only exception I'd make is if a team moves back to a city they were previously in (like if the raiders move back to LA). Ideally, teams would never move at all and would just stay put. The Colts moved to Indianapolis because they wanted a shiny new stadium, and Indiana lured them with one...that lasted 24 years!! Indiana got what they deserved on that one -taxpayers were left with a $69 million dollars debt that was still owed on the RCA dome.

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Quote from: Laura on September 06, 2014, 08:45:36 AMLol, yeah, that's a load of crap. Technically the "new" Cleveland Browns is an expansion since the players and personnel came from Cleveland to Baltimore. The NFL (particularly Paul Tagliabue) was a huge dick to Baltimore by intentionally denying us an expansion team in the early 1990's and giving teams to Charlotte and Jacksonville instead. Without Art Modell moving the team when he did, we still would not have a team.

Anyway, I can see where the Ravens are "technically" an expansion team because we did not take Cleveland's name and history with us, which was so critical and such a turning point for the professional sports industry. We don't deserve to claim Cleveland's history any more than the Colts have to claim Baltimore's history. (That said, I'm glad the Colts have had success in Indy solely so that they have their own heroes and history - Thank you Peyton Manning.) Also, Modell purposely went out of his way to connect the Baltimore Colts history with the Ravens history, which we still cling to furiously.

I know I'm looking at this from the sociological standpoint, but a team's identity is tied in with a city, so the franchise name and history should never move even if the personnel does. The only exception I'd make is if a team moves back to a city they were previously in (like if the raiders move back to LA). Ideally, teams would never move at all and would just stay put. The Colts moved to Indianapolis because they wanted a shiny new stadium, and Indiana lured them with one...that lasted 24 years!! Indiana got what they deserved on that one -taxpayers were left with a $69 million dollars debt that was still owed on the RCA dome.

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I get it, but it is part of the "Don't worry, the NFL will come up with a ruling that creates a reality that enables people to calm down and return to spending happily on football."  It's the same real-world-defying PR it uses on things like criminals and head injuries. 

It would matter less if it were just "The Browns never held Cleveland hostage for hundreds of millions of dollars then stuck it to you.  Instead, the money, owner, players, coaches, and everything they own simply left the Browns and moved to Baltimore.  The Browns are still here and they love you (*cough* fork over the stadium dough if you ever want to see football again), and look, Hero Art Modell returned football lovingly to Baltimore." But it seems the NFL can write away any inconvenient truth it wants. 

Hell of a team of scriptwriters down there.  Reminds me of the Simpsons plot so implausible that the judge had to rule at the end that no one ever question it openly again.

I was born in 1973, and names like "Indianapolis Colts", "Saint Louis Rams", "Arizona (nee Phoenix) Cardinals", the former "Tennessee Oilers" have never sounded right to me.

Quote from: bugo on September 07, 2014, 09:21:09 AM
I was born in 1973, and names like "Indianapolis Colts", "Saint Louis Rams", "Arizona (nee Phoenix) Cardinals", the former "Tennessee Oilers" have never sounded right to me.

I felt the same way about "Los Angeles Raiders," but sometimes the universe rights itself.

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Quote from: bugo on September 07, 2014, 09:21:09 AM
I was born in 1973, and names like "Indianapolis Colts", "Saint Louis Rams", "Arizona (nee Phoenix) Cardinals", the former "Tennessee Oilers" have never sounded right to me.

I felt the same way about "Los Angeles Raiders," but sometimes the universe rights itself.

I did too.

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Quote from: bugo on September 07, 2014, 09:21:09 AM
I was born in 1973, and names like "Indianapolis Colts", "Saint Louis Rams", "Arizona (nee Phoenix) Cardinals", the former "Tennessee Oilers" have never sounded right to me.

I felt the same way about "Los Angeles Raiders," but sometimes the universe rights itself.

I did too.

I've lived in the DC area for years and "Washington Wizards" still doesn't sound right (I still call them the "Bullets"). I've always found it amusing that they chose "Wizards," actually, given the racial demographics of Washington DC.

A few months ago I saw a political cartoon in which Donald Sterling had bought the Wizards and dressed them in Klan regalia, though I can't find that cartoon online now.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 05, 2014, 11:44:53 PM

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Some teams were paired nicely with another but are no longer, like the two St. Louis Cardinals, two New York Giants, Kansas City Royals & Kings, or Boston Braves & Redskins.

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Don't forget the football Cardinals were the Chicago Cardinals until 1960. The move to St. Louis was originally opposed by the NFL until the AFL started up, at which time the NFL realized allowing the almost-bankrupt team to move could block the AFL from putting a team in St. Louis. So that situation is a bit different from many of the others. The story is the football team got their name because someone was disparaging their jersey color and the owner retorted it was "cardinal red."

The Redskins were called the "Boston Braves" during their first season (and shared a ballpark with the baseball Braves) but changed their name to "Redskins" when they moved to Fenway Park the next year.

I believe there used to be an NFL team named the Brooklyn Dodgers (they played at Ebbets Field) and later an AAFC team of the same name (also played at Ebbets). There were a bunch of other team names "borrowed" from baseball in earlier years.

Even today, there are nice pairings in sports, like the following examples:

• Atlanta Falcons/Hawks
• Baltimore Orioles/Ravens
• Chicago Bears/Chicago Cubs
• Chicago Bears/Chicago Bulls
• Colorado Avalanche/Rockies
• Dallas Cowboys/Mavericks/Texas Rangers
• Detroit Lions/Tigers
• Houston Astros/Rockets
• Los Angeles Clippers/Lakers
• New York Knicks/Yankees
• New York Mets/Jets/Brooklyn Nets
• Philadelphia Eagles/76ers
• Washington Capitals/Nationals

Honorable mention goes to the Carolina Panthers/Charlotte Bobcats; of course this pairing no longer exists because the latter team is now known as the Charlotte Hornets. And back in the 1980s I even made a grouping with three Los Angeles sports teams: Dodgers, Rams and Raiders, because back then, the Ram and Raider were both made by Dodge. However, Ram has become its own division, and the Raider is now a Mitsubishi truck.

Is it weird that two different franchises called the Browns moved to Baltimore and neither kept the Browns name? The Cleveland Browns became the Ravens and the St. Louis Browns became the Orioles. Both birds.

It's weirder that the Cleveland Browns were named after their first head coach.  Then again, "New York Stengels" would have been a much cooler name than "Mets." 

Quote from: bdmoss88 on September 30, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Is it weird that two different franchises called the Browns moved to Baltimore and neither kept the Browns name? The Cleveland Browns became the Ravens and the St. Louis Browns became the Orioles. Both birds.

The Ravens' name is a tribute to Edgar Allen Poe. I don't know if there is any such connection with the Orioles, but I would be surprised if there is.

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Quote from: bdmoss88 on September 30, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Is it weird that two different franchises called the Browns moved to Baltimore and neither kept the Browns name? The Cleveland Browns became the Ravens and the St. Louis Browns became the Orioles. Both birds.

The Ravens' name is a tribute to Edgar Allen Poe. I don't know if there is any such connection with the Orioles, but I would be surprised if there is.

The Baltimore oriole is the state bird and the team was named to reflect that. Also, one of the original eight American League teams was named "Baltimore Orioles." They moved to New York and later took the name "Yankees." That prior use also factored into the name chosen when the St. Louis Browns relocated.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on September 30, 2014, 12:51:48 PM
It's weirder that the Cleveland Browns were named after their first head coach.  Then again, "New York Stengels" would have been a much cooler name than "Mets."

Not quite accurate:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns)

QuoteThe name of the team was at first left up to Paul Brown, who rejected calls for it to be christened the Browns. The franchise then held a naming contest to publicize the team, promising a $1,000 war bond to the winner. In June 1945, a committee selected "Panthers" as the new team's name. McBride, however, changed it to the Browns two months later, the result of another naming contest that suggested Browns, not after Paul Brown himself, but as a shortened version of Brown Bombers, a reference to the nickname of boxer Joe Louis. Some sources say McBride was asked for thousands of dollars in compensation from a businessman who owned the rights to the name Cleveland Panthers, an earlier failed football team.

Now, the whole thing may have been a McBride effort to skirt Paul Brown's objection to naming the team after him, but no one knows for sure.

Owner Art Modell intended to take the Browns name and records with him to Baltimore, but an uproar from Cleveland (and all right-thinking sports fans, IMHO) led to a compromise which left the nickname and records behind. Thus, the Ravens were born.

The great thing about the Browns moving to Baltimore, and the subsequent rebirth of the Browns, is that it gives us Bengals fans two sets of Cleveland Browns to hate.  :bigass:

Do not insult the the Browns by calling those impostors in Baltimore by that good name! :pan:

Quote from: theline on October 10, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
Do not insult the the Browns by calling those impostors in Baltimore by that good name! :pan:

I think it's the other way around. The Purple Browns are 2-time Super Bowl champions.

2 Super Bowls? Just a temporary aberration.  :biggrin:

The Seattle Sounders were named for the Puget Sound. The local commuter rail service is also named the Sounder and offers special matchday trains to King Street Station for Sounders weekend games. So you can take the Sounder to the Sounders.

Just thought that was neat.

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Quote from: bugo on September 05, 2014, 06:39:46 PM
Another thing that pisses me off is when rich benefactors basically pay to put their names on the stadium. Bud Walton Arena is a good example. Razorback Stadium is another. The guy Razorback Stadium is named after had nothing to do with the Razorbacks (there is a building at TU in Tulsa named after him too.)

University of Florida's stadium is named for Ben Hill Griffin; a wealthy benefactor from the state's citrus and cattle industry in Central Florida. He was neither a student nor  an athlete at UF. He donated a staggering sum to the university, from what I've heard.

In other words, he paid to have his name applied to the stadium. That is disgusting, repugnant, and morally reprehensible.

Besides, nobody calls it by that name anyway. It is "The Swamp".

Quote from: Laura on August 28, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
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The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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I know.  Unless they build the stadium they shouldn't name the stadium. 

Quote from: spooky on October 10, 2014, 01:24:10 PM

Quote from: theline on October 10, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
Do not insult the the Browns by calling those impostors in Baltimore by that good name! :pan:

I think it's the other way around. The Purple Browns are 2-time Super Bowl champions.

Best way to win in Cleveland?  Move!  Does anyone outside of Cleveland acknowledge the ridiculous gap?

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Quote from: theline on October 10, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
Do not insult the the Browns by calling those impostors in Baltimore by that good name! :pan:

I think it's the other way around. The Purple Browns are 2-time Super Bowl champions.

Best way to win in Cleveland?  Move!  Does anyone outside of Cleveland acknowledge the ridiculous gap?

In fairness, though the Rams beat the Browns for the championship in '51, they also won in '45, their last season in Cleveland.  The Barons, well, dissolved into another team that also was unsuccessful.  Leaving Cleveland only begat a huge improvement for the Ravens. 

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Quote from: Laura on August 28, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
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The Ravens stadium was named PSI.net Stadium when it first opened in 1998, and the company went out of business with the dot com bust. For a while it didn't have a name until M&T Bank purchased naming rights.

I hate corporate names for stadiums. I mean, I understand the value of them for money making purposes, but I find them incredibly tacky because it's like slapping advertising on a public good.

(I know, professional sports teams are businesses and not public goods, but they become part of a city like a public good, which is why it's tragic to a city when they move. Honestly, teams shouldn't be allowed to move out of a metropolitan area at all - they should be completely disbanded first and if the owner wants to make a whole new team elsewhere they can. You can clearly tell I'm from Baltimore - we fiercely love our Ravens but the Colts and their move still sting deep down 30 years later - enough said.)


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I know.  Unless they build the stadium they shouldn't name the stadium.

A university will put a name on any building if the donor is willing to put up the bucks.  Stadiums shouldn't be any different.  If you think universities shouldn't take the money, I'll take you on a walk through some public university campuses around here and we can talk about what repairs should wait.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 13, 2014, 10:42:37 AM

A university will put a name on any building if the donor is willing to put up the bucks.  Stadiums shouldn't be any different.  If you think universities shouldn't take the money, I'll take you on a walk through some public university campuses around here and we can talk about what repairs should wait.

If it's not athletic related, it gets ignored for a long time, because a bigger football stadium with an LED scoreboard you can see for 5 miles is always more important than , say, a better engineering dept.

Quote from: Bruce on October 12, 2014, 06:12:27 PM
The Seattle Sounders were named for the Puget Sound. The local commuter rail service is also named the Sounder and offers special matchday trains to King Street Station for Sounders weekend games. So you can take the Sounder to the Sounders.

Just thought that was neat.

If the San Jose Earthquakes were called the Tornadoes, we could then combine the two pro sports teams in San Jose to get the Sharknadoes...

Quote from: US71 on October 13, 2014, 01:49:52 PM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 13, 2014, 10:42:37 AM

A university will put a name on any building if the donor is willing to put up the bucks.  Stadiums shouldn't be any different.  If you think universities shouldn't take the money, I'll take you on a walk through some public university campuses around here and we can talk about what repairs should wait.

If it's not athletic related, it gets ignored for a long time, because a bigger football stadium with an LED scoreboard you can see for 5 miles is always more important than , say, a better engineering dept.

The difference there, though, is that there aren't sponsorship deals on the university buildings. Even if a rich benefactor donates the largest sum of money to get their name on the building, that name stays on the building until there is a major renovation or it gets torn down.

My undergrad alma mater, Lynchburg College, just finished a major renovation and extension to the student center. The former name of the building was the Burton Student Center, which it has been named since it opened in 1968. The new name is Drysdale Student Center, with a wing being the Percy Burton Dining Hall and the Gertrude Burton Dining Room. Both the Burtons and Drysdales are/were on the board of trustees. and donated large sums of money to get the buildings built. That said, they aren't just randomly going to change the name of the building to the next highest bidder - if no further major renovations are done, then those names will stay for decades to come.

I currently attend a public university for graduate school (Morgan State University), and the names of buildings vary between being named after the governors that pushed for them to be built, benefactors, famous college leaders, and historically famous African-Americans. Our newest building does not have a person's name in the name - it is simply the Center of the Built Environment and Infrastructure Studies, or CBEIS (pronounced like C-BIS).

The Baltimore Arena just got a new sponsorship deal and a new name - the Royal Farms Arena. They paid 1.25 million to secure the name for 5 years (Nov 1 2014 - Oct 31 2019). Prior to that, it was the 1st Mariner Arena from 2002-2012 (they paid $750,000 for the naming rights). From its opening in 1962 to 1986, it was the Baltimore Civic Center and then later from 1986-2002 the Baltimore Arena. During 2013-2014 the name reverted back to the Baltimore Arena.

So in a (moreorless) 50 year period, the Burton Student Center at Lynchburg College went through one change change while the arena in Baltimore went through four.

An arena 52 years old?  I thought they had to be replaced every 30 years or else!

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 16, 2014, 08:41:21 AM
An arena 52 years old?  I thought they had to be replaced every 30 years or else!

Those are only the ones where NBA or NHL teams play.  Iconic arena with too few luxury suites? Send in the wrecking ball!

Aside from obvious example of the Green Bay Packers, although rare in North America, sponsor naming of sports teams is pretty common in some countries overseas.  IMHO, the most glaring examples of this are in the Bundesliga and especially in Japanese major league baseball.

Mike

Quote from: mgk920 on October 16, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
Aside from obvious example of the Green Bay Packers, although rare in North America, sponsor naming of sports teams is pretty common in some countries overseas.  IMHO, the most glaring examples of this are in the Bundesliga and especially in Japanese major league baseball.

Mike

Rare now, not always. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonawanda_Kardex)  Early NFL teams were often sponsored by local companies.

Also, let's not forget Red Bull New York and Chivas USA (I don't know where the latter plays–USA?–and would probably look it up if I cared).

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 16, 2014, 02:42:54 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on October 16, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
Aside from obvious example of the Green Bay Packers, although rare in North America, sponsor naming of sports teams is pretty common in some countries overseas.  IMHO, the most glaring examples of this are in the Bundesliga and especially in Japanese major league baseball.

Mike

Rare now, not always. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonawanda_Kardex)  Early NFL teams were often sponsored by local companies.

Also, let's not forget Red Bull New York and Chivas USA (I don't know where the latter plays–USA?–and would probably look it up if I cared).

Chivas USA was branded in hopes of drawing Latino fans in the Los Angeles area who are fans of the Mexican club Chivas de Guadalajara. It didn't work; the team will fold at the end of the year.

There's too much of that in MLS – trying to emulate foreign leagues by patterning your team name after a big international club. Like Real Salt Lake, Sporting KC and the soon-to-come New York City FC, which I can understand because of its affiliation with Manchester City.

Quote from: Road Hog on October 16, 2014, 03:08:29 PM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 16, 2014, 02:42:54 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on October 16, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
Aside from obvious example of the Green Bay Packers, although rare in North America, sponsor naming of sports teams is pretty common in some countries overseas.  IMHO, the most glaring examples of this are in the Bundesliga and especially in Japanese major league baseball.

Mike

Rare now, not always. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonawanda_Kardex)  Early NFL teams were often sponsored by local companies.

Also, let's not forget Red Bull New York and Chivas USA (I don't know where the latter plays–USA?–and would probably look it up if I cared).

Chivas USA was branded in hopes of drawing Latino fans in the Los Angeles area who are fans of the Mexican club Chivas de Guadalajara. It didn't work; the team will fold at the end of the year.

There's too much of that in MLS – trying to emulate foreign leagues by patterning your team name after a big international club. Like Real Salt Lake, Sporting KC and the soon-to-come New York City FC, which I can understand because of its affiliation with Manchester City.

DC United is silly; Real Salt Lake is just dumb.

I'm disappointed the Cosmos didn't get the next MLS slot in New York. Now that's a name we can get behind as our own, with real history in it (even if that history was built by imported foreign players).

Now that was a team--the New York Cosmos.  There was an ESPN 30 for 30 movie about them.

Wasn't the Carrier Dome in Syracuse one of the first stadiums to be named after a corporation that purchased naming rights?

Don't forget Schaefer Stadium.

Quote from: spooky on October 16, 2014, 09:02:31 AM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 16, 2014, 08:41:21 AM
An arena 52 years old?  I thought they had to be replaced every 30 years or else!

Those are only the ones where NBA or NHL teams play.  Iconic arena with too few luxury suites? Send in the wrecking ball!

Yeah. There are plans to replace the arena here and have been for a while. It just hasn't happened yet.


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Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 16, 2014, 06:09:57 PMDC United is silly

At least they didn't name themselves after the Milanese club, and (like Barcelona and many English clubs) state that they are a Football Club.

AC DC FC would truly be silly!

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There's been a couple of niggling arguments in the English Leagues about team names - mostly about making the team names more what we would call 'American-sounding' in that the proposals are of the form <city><animal>.

A Malaysian guy bought Cardiff City FC, whose home kit was blue and nickname the "The Bluebirds" and wanting to appeal to an East Asian audience he switched home and away kits, so they played in 'lucky' red. He emphasised the Welshness, putting a dragon on the new club badge (after an argument, the bluebird was kept on it) and making a dragon the mascot.(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F3%2F3d%2FCardiff_City_Crest.svg%2F200px-Cardiff_City_Crest.svg.png&hash=34aaf92c4dbca4c3739d5c34ad7ef01a1499c17f)
He wasn't successful in changing the name from Cardiff City FC to Cardiff Dragons FC.

The Owner of Hull City AFC (Association FC. Hull City FC is the Rugby league club) was more successful and got its name changed to Hull Tigers FC (everyone calls it 'Hull' and fans still call it 'Hull City' and pundits make subtle comments about their dislike of the name change), though the nickname was already 'The Tigers', they've played in orange and black for a century and a tiger is their mascot.

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In Wales, Llansantffraid Town Football Club took on a brand name (for just £250k), becoming "Total Network Solutions Llansantffraid FC" in 1996. Around then they won the Welsh Cup and thus were playing in Europe. The next year they were just "Total Network Solutions" or "TNS". In 2003 they merged with Oswestry Town (an England-based club playing in the Welsh leagues) and in 2006 Total Network Solutions were bought out. Wanting to keep the 'TNS' initials they became "The New Saints of Oswestry Town & Llansantffraid Football Club" (Llansantffraid FC were known as the Saints, and Oswestry, the town not the club, has links with St Oswald), but just known as TNS (for obvious reasons).

The old World League of American Football (WLAF, generally pronounced "we laugh"), later NFL Europe, had some European teams with American-style names, like the Barcelona Dragons, the Cologne Centurions, and the Scottish Claymores.  There were also some more abstract and less dangerous-sounding names, like the Frankfurt Galaxy and the London Monarchs, something also seen on this side of the pond (especially for newer leagues like the WNBA) as teams started running out of potential animal-based names.

The Baltimore Orioles are named for the best state bird (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/05/state_bird_improvements_replace_cardinals_and_robins_with_warblers_and_hawks.html).  Too bad the second-best, the scissor-tailed flycatcher, doesn't work quite as well as a name for Oklahoma teams.

Quote from: oscar on October 17, 2014, 08:23:48 AM
Too bad the second-best, the scissor-tailed flycatcher, doesn't work quite as well as a name for Oklahoma teams.

I can see "Oklahoma Flycatchers" as a name for a baseball team.

Quote from: amroad17 on October 17, 2014, 04:23:05 AM
Now that was a team--the New York Cosmos.  There was an ESPN 30 for 30 movie about them.

Wasn't the Carrier Dome in Syracuse one of the first stadiums to be named after a corporation that purchased naming rights?

As mentioned upthread, we still have Wrigley Field in Chicago, named by a corporate sponsor.

Mike

Quote from: mgk920 on October 17, 2014, 03:14:03 PM

Quote from: amroad17 on October 17, 2014, 04:23:05 AM
Now that was a team--the New York Cosmos.  There was an ESPN 30 for 30 movie about them.

Wasn't the Carrier Dome in Syracuse one of the first stadiums to be named after a corporation that purchased naming rights?

As mentioned upthread, we still have Wrigley Field in Chicago, named by a corporate sponsor.

Mike

Somewhat.  Considering the team was owned by William Wrigley, Jr., one can also argue that the park was named for the owner.  Another example was Briggs Stadium (owner Walter Briggs) in Detroit for the Tigers, also called Navin Field (owner Frank Navin).

Washington-Grizzly Stadium in Missoula is named after the company having a part-time stake in the ownership of the University of Montana's outdoor football field: Washington Corporation (yes, the company that owns Montana Rail Link among others and run by Dennis "Denny Derail" Washington)

My alma mater, Frenchtown, has a field and underpass named after Henry Lavoie. I can't tell you of his significance in Frenchtown, but he obviously played some role in the growth and development of the town.

All the major sports leagues need to implement a rule saying corporations can't buy naming "rights" for stadiums. I'd like to see the FCC get involved too.

Quote from: bandit957 on October 17, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
All the major sports leagues need to implement a rule saying corporations can't buy naming "rights" for stadiums. I'd like to see the FCC get involved too.

Why should major corporations (sponsors) be barred from doing business with major corporations (sports teams)? 

A big mistake people need to move past is the idea that teams are civic spiritual property.  The teams have never looked at it that way. 

Once you look at them as big corporations, their behavior makes much more sense, and our forgiveness of it makes much less sense.

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Quote from: mgk920 on October 17, 2014, 03:14:03 PM

Quote from: amroad17 on October 17, 2014, 04:23:05 AM
Now that was a team--the New York Cosmos.  There was an ESPN 30 for 30 movie about them.

Wasn't the Carrier Dome in Syracuse one of the first stadiums to be named after a corporation that purchased naming rights?

As mentioned upthread, we still have Wrigley Field in Chicago, named by a corporate sponsor.

Mike

Somewhat.  Considering the team was owned by William Wrigley, Jr., one can also argue that the park was named for the owner.  Another example was Briggs Stadium (owner Walter Briggs) in Detroit for the Tigers, also called Navin Field (owner Frank Navin).

This keeps coming up as a "naming rights" example, and keeps being debunked.  See Shibe Park, Crosley Field, Ebbets Field, etc., for further examples of the same. 

One I find amusing is Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati. A lot of people think, "Oh, what a patriotic name." It's named for the insurance company that bought ghe naming rights.

Quote from: mrsman on September 05, 2014, 11:34:58 AM
And given that teams do get moved, I also believe that the team name should stay with the old city.  Colts are associated with the horse racing that Baltimore's Preakness is famous for.  Not such a good name for a team in the home of the Indy 500.

For that reason, I prefer to call the Indianapolis team as the "Indianapolis Irsays," in honor of the late Bob Irsay, who arranged the "midnight ride" of the Baltimore Colts from their home.

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 18, 2014, 12:25:51 AM

Quote from: bandit957 on October 17, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
All the major sports leagues need to implement a rule saying corporations can't buy naming "rights" for stadiums. I'd like to see the FCC get involved too.

Why should major corporations (sponsors) be barred from doing business with major corporations (sports teams)? 

A big mistake people need to move past is the idea that teams are civic spiritual property.  The teams have never looked at it that way. 

Once you look at them as big corporations, their behavior makes much more sense, and our forgiveness of it makes much less sense.

If they aren't civic spiritual property, then why do cities put taxpayers on the hook for paying for their stadiums?

Honestly, the practice of luring teams with new stadiums needs to be stopped.


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Quote from: Laura on October 19, 2014, 08:33:25 AM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 18, 2014, 12:25:51 AM

Quote from: bandit957 on October 17, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
All the major sports leagues need to implement a rule saying corporations can't buy naming "rights" for stadiums. I'd like to see the FCC get involved too.

Why should major corporations (sponsors) be barred from doing business with major corporations (sports teams)? 

A big mistake people need to move past is the idea that teams are civic spiritual property.  The teams have never looked at it that way. 

Once you look at them as big corporations, their behavior makes much more sense, and our forgiveness of it makes much less sense.

If they aren't civic spiritual property, then why do cities put taxpayers on the hook for paying for their stadiums?

Because the teams skillfully use public emotion to extract ransom, and people go for it.

QuoteHonestly, the practice of luring teams with new stadiums needs to be stopped.

Next time the Ravens want a new stadium (should be 10-15 years from now) be sure to respond that Baltimore needs its tax dollars more than it needs a football team.  That's how you stop this game. 

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 19, 2014, 11:45:30 AM

Quote from: Laura on October 19, 2014, 08:33:25 AM

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 18, 2014, 12:25:51 AM

Quote from: bandit957 on October 17, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
All the major sports leagues need to implement a rule saying corporations can't buy naming "rights" for stadiums. I'd like to see the FCC get involved too.

Why should major corporations (sponsors) be barred from doing business with major corporations (sports teams)? 

A big mistake people need to move past is the idea that teams are civic spiritual property.  The teams have never looked at it that way. 

Once you look at them as big corporations, their behavior makes much more sense, and our forgiveness of it makes much less sense.

If they aren't civic spiritual property, then why do cities put taxpayers on the hook for paying for their stadiums?

Because the teams skillfully use public emotion to extract ransom, and people go for it.

QuoteHonestly, the practice of luring teams with new stadiums needs to be stopped.

Next time the Ravens want a new stadium (should be 10-15 years from now) be sure to respond that Baltimore needs its tax dollars more than it needs a football team.  That's how you stop this game.

That worked really well for us thirty years ago when we told the Colts no, we weren't going to build them a new stadium.

Then Indianapolis swooped in and lured them away. Then, they got screwed over building the Colts another new stadium a few years ago. They still owed money on the other stadium to the tune of 69 million dollars when it was demolished.

Baltimore historically does not build a lot of stadiums. It took the right circumstances to even get M&T bank stadium built.


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Unless other teams are quick to abandoned their newly built stadium, Baltimore will go on the bandwagon and build another new one soon.

I say this because it only took Orlando 23 years to decide that the new Amway (former Orlando Arena when built) needed to be replaced with the latest Amway Centre.

The point that I thought went without saying is that this only ends when people in all cities wise up when it comes to stadium demands.  Sports teams are like spoiled kids with dozens of parents–as soon as one says no, there is always another to turn to.

Milwaukee is early in the process of being goaded into building a new arena for the Bucks.  The existing facility is only 25 years old and interestingly, did not have a corporate name until recently.  The Bradley Center was named for the rich family that pretty much paid for the arena in hopes of attracting an NHL team in the late 80's.  But that never happened so it's been the Bucks as the major tenant.  (In addition to Marquette basketball & a minor league hockey team.)

Anyway, it seems the NBA is on board with the blackmailing of Milwaukee taxpayers into a new arena.  They are demanding that the Bucks be in a new facility or have one under construction by 2017.
The new Bucks owners and former owner Herb Kohl have pledged some money for it, but not nearly enough these days.  Personally, I think they could just renovate the existing building with that money rather than spend taxpayer money on an elaborate new one.

Frankly, the team has sucked for years and now that the Bucks are owned by some hedge fund douches from New York, they are prime candidates for getting shuttled off to some other city that is willing to piss away hundreds of millions of dollars on a new arena.  Seems likely; maybe preferable to more taxpayer subsidies.

I think if sports teams want public financing for stadiums, they should be publicly owned.  You get public money, but the public gets a piece of the team relative to the amount of the cost of the new facility payed for by taxpayers.  Then we have assurance that the community won't be shafted once again in 20 years when they want another arena where the luxury boxes have hot tubs and helicopter parking.
Last time I checked, there were still banks with lots of money in the United States.  If owners want new arenas, go get a goddamn loan.

Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 21, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
Milwaukee is early in the process of being goaded into building a new arena for the Bucks.  The existing facility is only 25 years old and interestingly, did not have a corporate name until recently.  The Bradley Center was named for the rich family that pretty much paid for the arena in hopes of attracting an NHL team in the late 80's.  But that never happened so it's been the Bucks as the major tenant.  (In addition to Marquette basketball & a minor league hockey team.)

Anyway, it seems the NBA is on board with the blackmailing of Milwaukee taxpayers into a new arena.  They are demanding that the Bucks be in a new facility or have one under construction by 2017.
The new Bucks owners and former owner Herb Kohl have pledged some money for it, but not nearly enough these days.  Personally, I think they could just renovate the existing building with that money rather than spend taxpayer money on an elaborate new one.

Frankly, the team has sucked for years and now that the Bucks are owned by some hedge fund douches from New York, they are prime candidates for getting shuttled off to some other city that is willing to piss away hundreds of millions of dollars on a new arena.  Seems likely; maybe preferable to more taxpayer subsidies.

I think if sports teams want public financing for stadiums, they should be publicly owned.  You get public money, but the public gets a piece of the team relative to the amount of the cost of the new facility payed for by taxpayers.  Then we have assurance that the community won't be shafted once again in 20 years when they want another arena where the luxury boxes have hot tubs and helicopter parking.
Last time I checked, there were still banks with lots of money in the United States.  If owners want new arenas, go get a goddamn loan.

Atlanta got snookered into paying to replace the Georgia Dome and Turner Field, both relatively new facilities (both only about 20 years old). The reason teams can do this is because having a team leave is generally political poison for elected officials. In Atlanta's case, the mayor had already been burned by the loss of the Thrashers (even though it was because of other problems), so he played ball with the Falcons and Braves in order to take cover.

Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 21, 2014, 03:25:45 PMLast time I checked, there were still banks with lots of money in the United States.  If owners want new arenas, go get a goddamn loan.

Banks have standards.  Banks need to know a stadium's going to make its money back, which is not a safe bet.  Fortunately for sports companies ("teams"), the politicians are not as picky. 

Quote from: Pete from Boston on October 21, 2014, 11:09:13 PMBanks have standards.  Banks need to know a stadium's going to make its money back, which is not a safe bet.

Really?

I can understand it in the UK, especially with soccer teams where there's no wage cap and relegations that have a sharp drop in finances, but banks give sports teams loans to build stadiums and only rarely (due to total mismanagement by a later owner, coupled with relegations) fail to have the loan repayed. Compare American sports teams with a limited number of franchises, attempts to make bad teams better, no relegation, etc, etc. It ought to be a pretty safe bet, even if its a long-term investment for the bank.

I'm struggling to think of a time in the UK where a city has built a stadium for a sports team. There's obviously Man City in the City of Manchester Stadium, and West Ham will use the Olympic Stadium in Stratford. But they were built for the 2002 Commonwealth Games, and the 2012 London Olympics respectively. West Ham had to bid to use the Olympic Stadium, not the other way around and it was a bit of a fight - not just from F1 and NFL, but from a smaller football club thinking a 2-mile move would overly impinge on their territory (said smaller team applied for sole use of the stadium, then sought a ground share with West Ham).

My point is that stadiums and the associated concessions received by these companies from local governments have been shown to be a dubious investment, with the local governments not recouping what they put in.  A bank would presumably expect better for its money, since unlike government they're not in the business of giving money away.

It's a bit different:

When taking a loan with a bank, the bank wants to see the business plan and how the money will be repaid.  The owners of the stadium will be able to state that based on their expected ticket revenue, advertising revenue, parking revenue, concession revenue, seat licenses, player salaries, administrative salaries, etc, etc, etc.  Based on that, the bank will grant or deny the loan.  It's not uncommon for a large project to have several loans across several investment firms and/or banks.

When a city provides the money, they are generally giving a grant to the stadium.  In some cases it's a loan.  The money will be bonded, and will be paid off via taxes from the stadium, stadium sales, or taxpayers.  It can also come from other arrangements, such as surcharges on car rentals at airports.

The city will usually justify its investment, stating the economic return the stadium will provide.  Those numbers can be greatly exaggerated, because many of the attendees already live in the city, or would have visited the city for other reasons anyway, so the money will would've come in.  These numbers can be so over-exaggerated that almost any event or conference will boast about the economic impact to the city when they arrive, and there's no real means to audit those figures

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Quote from: mrsman on September 05, 2014, 11:34:58 AM
And given that teams do get moved, I also believe that the team name should stay with the old city.  Colts are associated with the horse racing that Baltimore's Preakness is famous for.  Not such a good name for a team in the home of the Indy 500.

For that reason, I prefer to call the Indianapolis team as the "Indianapolis Irsays," in honor of the late Bob Irsay, who arranged the "midnight ride" of the Baltimore Colts from their home.

Wait, isn't a colt a kind of horse? And the Indy 500 is associated with lots of horsepower, if you catch my drift.

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Quote from: triplemultiplex on October 21, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
Milwaukee is early in the process of being goaded into building a new arena for the Bucks.  The existing facility is only 25 years old and interestingly, did not have a corporate name until recently.  The Bradley Center was named for the rich family that pretty much paid for the arena in hopes of attracting an NHL team in the late 80's.  But that never happened so it's been the Bucks as the major tenant.  (In addition to Marquette basketball & a minor league hockey team.)

Anyway, it seems the NBA is on board with the blackmailing of Milwaukee taxpayers into a new arena.  They are demanding that the Bucks be in a new facility or have one under construction by 2017.
The new Bucks owners and former owner Herb Kohl have pledged some money for it, but not nearly enough these days.  Personally, I think they could just renovate the existing building with that money rather than spend taxpayer money on an elaborate new one.

Frankly, the team has sucked for years and now that the Bucks are owned by some hedge fund douches from New York, they are prime candidates for getting shuttled off to some other city that is willing to piss away hundreds of millions of dollars on a new arena.  Seems likely; maybe preferable to more taxpayer subsidies.

I think if sports teams want public financing for stadiums, they should be publicly owned.  You get public money, but the public gets a piece of the team relative to the amount of the cost of the new facility payed for by taxpayers.  Then we have assurance that the community won't be shafted once again in 20 years when they want another arena where the luxury boxes have hot tubs and helicopter parking.
Last time I checked, there were still banks with lots of money in the United States.  If owners want new arenas, go get a goddamn loan.

Atlanta got snookered into paying to replace the Georgia Dome and Turner Field, both relatively new facilities (both only about 20 years old). The reason teams can do this is because having a team leave is generally political poison for elected officials. In Atlanta's case, the mayor had already been burned by the loss of the Thrashers (even though it was because of other problems), so he played ball with the Falcons and Braves in order to take cover.

It's not only Milwaukee that's stuck with an outdated arena, but Detroit and Minneapolis too. And what's even worse, the Pistons still play in a suburban arena that's 20-some miles from downtown, while the other three teams (Tigers, Lions, Red Wings) play in said downtown. Also, the Red Wings are building a new arena, but unless the Pistons get an invitation to share it, I don't see the NBA surviving in Detroit any longer. The WNBA's Shock left for the very same reason, and this should serve as a warning sign for the Pistons. As for Minneapolis, the Timberwolves and Lynx should work out a deal with the Wild to play some games in their St. Paul arena, but I don't think either of the Twin Cities would go for it, so the next best thing would be to renovate the existing Target Center or build a new arena altogether. It's a shame that Atlanta is replacing two stadiums at the same time, and neither one will reach the 30-year milestone. Worse yet, the Braves will become baseball's version of the Pistons by playing in the suburbs.

Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
I say this because it only took Orlando 23 years to decide that the new Amway (former Orlando Arena when built) needed to be replaced with the latest Amway Centre.

Miami (13 years) and Charlotte (17 years) went through the exact same thing, even though the latter city had to lose its original team (old Hornets, now the New Orleans Pelicans) and get a new one (formerly Bobcats, now new Hornets) two years later. That's why Minneapolis is the only remaining city from the late 80s NBA expansion period that still has its original arena.

Quote from: roadman65 on October 20, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
Unless other teams are quick to abandoned their newly built stadium, Baltimore will go on the bandwagon and build another new one soon.

I say this because it only took Orlando 23 years to decide that the new Amway (former Orlando Arena when built) needed to be replaced with the latest Amway Centre.

I don't honestly think this will happen. Hopefully I won't be eating my words in a few years,  but I feel like part of the reason the Colts even considered leaving was because Irsay put them through the shitter for the ten years prior to the move. Morale overall for the team was low. I can't think of a single instance where Ravens games were not sold out here - I know there's the weirdness with season tickets and licensing that helps make that possible - but whenever I see someone selling tickets, they are NOT cheap. When morale is high, unless the stadium is having serious structure problems, a new stadium isn't considered.

Fortunately, the success of Oriole Park at Camden Yards means that it probably won't get demolished - it's basically a modern historical classic. Although Yankee Stadium was rebuilt, and I never in a million years thought that would happen.

Then again, there's the mess with rebuilding the 50 year old Baltimore Arena, but lack of money and real direction (do we want to attract another major league team or not?) has kept that from going anywhere.

So, who knows? I'd like to think that M&T Bank stadium will be around for a long time. Building stadiums here is not easy - there was a lot of (rightful!) argument overbuilding the Raven stadium due to the fact that money could be used better elsewhere in the city, and that is the reason nothing had happened with the arena.


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Nothing was more suburban than the Cleveland Cavaliers playing in the Richfield Coliseum in Richfield, OH--25 miles from downtown Cleveland.  Needless to say, the Richfield Coliseum is no longer there.  It was demolished in 1999 after sitting vacant for five years.  Now it is a meadow. 

When it was in use, the Cavs did draw well, considering its location (Exit 12 off I-271 on OH 303, a two lane rural road).  The last two seasons they were there, they averaged over 18,000 fans per game (capacity 20,273).  Wikipedia has an aerial photo of the Richfield Coliseum next to a neighboring farm.  Judging by the photo, the farm was southwest of the Coliseum across OH 303 (which goes east-west).  It looks odd--an arena in the middle of nowhere next to a farm.  It would be the equivalent of having an arena for a Cincinnati team east of Batavia, OH.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/city-arena/article3346910.html


The New Sacramento Kings Stadium is under construction.

The San Jose Earthquakes' new stadium may have a sponsor: Avaya, a company specializing in business communications.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxwpAUgl.jpg&hash=ea16874e7934d433ada2a7339e037fa66a77b1b6)

Quicken Loans Arena, home of the Cleveland Cavaliers, is being renamed "Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse"

what's next...

Progressive Field to become Name Your Price Tool Park?
Ford Field to become F-150 Stadium?
Little Caesars Arena to become the Crazy Bread Center?

Yay for thread revival. I'm going to add some soccer examples because the sport has some wildly diverse naming schemes.

In Japan and Korea, the first professional teams were descended from company teams in same vein of the early NFL. Korea has mostly kept their company names, e.g. the First Division currently has Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors, Sangju Sangmu (aka the military team), Suwon Samsung Bluewings, and Ulsan Hyundai.

Japan decided to instead rebrand most of their clubs (a good write-up here (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6floxb/a_brief_history_of_japanese_team_names_oc/)), taking inspiration from a ton of places and mixing Japanese puns into them. One of their most successful teams is Kashima Antlers, so named because Kashima is literally "deer island" in Japanese; they were formerly "Sumitomo Metal Industries Factory Football Club". Gamba Osaka has an Italian word that acts as a Japanese pun, Jubilo Iwata has the Portuguese word for "joy", Sanfrecce Hiroshima is a portmanteau of the Italian "frecce" (arrows) and Japanese "san" (three)...the list goes on.

Quote from: Buck87 on April 11, 2019, 10:36:42 PM
Quicken Loans Arena, home of the Cleveland Cavaliers, is being renamed "Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse"

what's next...

Progressive Field to become Name Your Price Tool Park?
Ford Field to become F-150 Stadium?
Little Caesars Arena to become the Crazy Bread Center?

As a Hoosier I just wanted to chime in. Cleveland that is NOT a fieldhouse.

Fieldhouses have seating configurations that are usually square or octagonal shaped, look at Allen Fieldhouse and Kansas or Bankers Life Fieldhouse with the Pacers. We can call it a fieldhouse because we originally designed it to look like a fieldhouse. You're arena has been an arena since it was Gund Arena and it is properly an arena. You shouldn't get to change what you are just because you get a new corporate name.

You're an arena. Be an arena.

Quote from: Buck87 on April 11, 2019, 10:36:42 PM
Quicken Loans Arena, home of the Cleveland Cavaliers, is being renamed "Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse"

what's next...

Progressive Field to become Name Your Price Tool Park?
Ford Field to become F-150 Stadium?
Little Caesars Arena to become the Crazy Bread Center?

Just after we were allowed to stop calling the Shottenstein Center, 'Value City Arena.'

Amarillo TX got a Class AA baseball team this season, relocated from San Antonio.  If that's your stopping point for the night on a long drive on I-40, you'll want to check out an Amarillo Sod Poodles game if the team is home.

Quote from: gonealookin on April 13, 2019, 01:02:20 AM
Amarillo TX got a Class AA baseball team this season, relocated from San Antonio.  If that's your stopping point for the night on a long drive on I-40, you'll want to check out an Amarillo Sod Poodles game if the team is home.

Maybe they can play the Hartford Yard Goats in some sort of AA interleague match.

Quote from: Takumi on April 13, 2019, 09:05:43 PM

Quote from: gonealookin on April 13, 2019, 01:02:20 AM
Amarillo TX got a Class AA baseball team this season, relocated from San Antonio.  If that's your stopping point for the night on a long drive on I-40, you'll want to check out an Amarillo Sod Poodles game if the team is home.

Maybe they can play the Hartford Yard Goats in some sort of AA interleague match.

Only if they rename their ballpark Starbucks Stadium or Krispy Kreme Field, seeing the Yard Goats play in Dunkin Donuts Park (not sure if they'll eventually rename it Dunkin Park to reflect the corporate name change).

With the Golden State Warriors moving back to San Francisco next year, does anyone know if they could keep "Golden State" or just go back to "San Francisco" like they were in the 1960s?

Minor league baseball rant:

Until not that long ago (mid-80s) minor league baseball teams either copied major league teams or had real organic names that had a legitimate history in that city (i.e. Asheville Tourists, Knoxville Smokies, Jackson Generals).  Then came the suburban Raleigh team the "Carolina Mudcats".  And it was cute and faux-hickish and faux-Southern.  And suddenly minor league baseball became infected with stupid and meaningless knicknames so they can sell a few shirts on the internet.  Chukars, Vibes, Crosscutters, Lake Monsters, Hops, Dust Devils, Hot Rods, RIver Dogs, Wood Ducks, Woodpeckers, Stone Crabs, Fire Frogs, Rumble Ponies, Yard Goats, Rubber Ducks, Flying Squirrels, Shuckers, Jumbo Shrimp, Blue Wahoos, Sod Poodles, Rock Hounds, Iron Pigs, Rail Riders, Stripers, Baby Cakes, Isotopes, Chihauhuas, and all time stupidest, the Montgomery Biscuits. 

Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Minor league baseball rant:

Until not that long ago (mid-80s) minor league baseball teams either copied major league teams or had real organic names that had a legitimate history in that city (i.e. Asheville Tourists, Knoxville Smokies, Jackson Generals).  Then came the suburban Raleigh team the "Carolina Mudcats".  And it was cute and faux-hickish and faux-Southern.  And suddenly minor league baseball became infected with stupid and meaningless knicknames so they can sell a few shirts on the internet.  Chukars, Vibes, Crosscutters, Lake Monsters, Hops, Dust Devils, Hot Rods, RIver Dogs, Wood Ducks, Woodpeckers, Stone Crabs, Fire Frogs, Rumble Ponies, Yard Goats, Rubber Ducks, Flying Squirrels, Shuckers, Jumbo Shrimp, Blue Wahoos, Sod Poodles, Rock Hounds, Iron Pigs, Rail Riders, Stripers, Baby Cakes, Isotopes, Chihauhuas, and all time stupidest, the Montgomery Biscuits. 

Ummmm....the Baby Cakes name makes perfect sense in NOLA because of Mardi Gras. Also, makes for an noxiously entertaining mascot.

The Albuquerque Isotopes took their name from the Simpsons.

Quote from: Big John on April 16, 2019, 03:08:36 PM
The Albuquerque Isotopes took their name from the Simpsons.

And it makes sense because of Los Alamos.

I'm surprised he didn't mention the Piedmont Boll Weevils (who no longer use that name) or the defunct minor-league hockey team in Georgia, the Macon Whoopee.

The New York Giants baseball team moved in the 50s so always hate having to hear NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS so stupid

A couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger. 

(https://yardgoats.milbstore.com/store/Vendor198/500/BurgerFront_500.jpg)

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

So the new Spurs stadium has caused controversy with its naming. They rebuilt White Hart Lane Stadium, and renamed it Tottenham Hotspur Stadium (after attempts to get a company to pay to name it fell through). More controversially, they plan on naming the nearby "White Hart Lane" station "Tottenham Hotspur".

Thing is that the stadium isn't on White Hart Lane - ditching that makes sense - not least as there's two (much smaller) stadiums actually on the road.

As for the station "the area is more than the football club" keeps coming up - but the area is much more than one road too, and the road more than that area. Half the road is better accessed from Wood Green station. The road is really not a major one, other than having some length. The station is in Tottenham, but there's several stations in the town - Tottenham Hotspur is perhaps not the best name, but it really isn't terrible - and better than the existing one that dates from when the lane was the only distinguishing feature of an otherwise rather empty area!

Quote from: Bruce on April 16, 2019, 08:32:09 PM

Quote from: Big John on April 16, 2019, 03:08:36 PM
The Albuquerque Isotopes took their name from the Simpsons.

And it makes sense because of Los Alamos.

It makes more sense because of Sandia National Laboratory, which is actually in Albuquerque.

Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 16, 2019, 11:24:17 AM
Ummmm....the Baby Cakes name makes perfect sense in NOLA because of Mardi Gras. Also, makes for an noxiously entertaining mascot.

Yet pretty much everyone around New Orleans hates the name "Baby Cakes," and the team is moving to Wichita after 2019 (https://www.nola.com/baby-cakes/2018/09/baby_cakes_moving_wichita.html).

Quote from: english si on April 17, 2019, 07:45:44 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

At this time of year?

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 10:49:44 AM

Quote from: english si on April 17, 2019, 07:45:44 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

At this time of year?

At this time of day?

Quote from: texaskdog on April 17, 2019, 12:16:04 AM
The New York Giants baseball team moved in the 50s so always hate having to hear NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS so stupid

I've only heard one person call them that and he's a fucking moron who never should have gotten a TV gig.

Quote from: formulanone on April 17, 2019, 11:26:00 AM

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 10:49:44 AM

Quote from: english si on April 17, 2019, 07:45:44 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

At this time of year?

At this time of day?

Can I see?

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 02:23:15 PM

Quote from: formulanone on April 17, 2019, 11:26:00 AM

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 10:49:44 AM

Quote from: english si on April 17, 2019, 07:45:44 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

At this time of year?

At this time of day?

Can I see?

...no.

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 02:24:12 PM

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 02:23:15 PM

Quote from: formulanone on April 17, 2019, 11:26:00 AM

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 10:49:44 AM

Quote from: english si on April 17, 2019, 07:45:44 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

At this time of year?

At this time of day?

Can I see?

...no.

Fair enough.

There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

Quote from: formulanone on April 17, 2019, 03:33:44 PM

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 02:24:12 PM

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 02:23:15 PM

Quote from: formulanone on April 17, 2019, 11:26:00 AM

Quote from: Takumi on April 17, 2019, 10:49:44 AM

Quote from: english si on April 17, 2019, 07:45:44 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 17, 2019, 01:03:44 AMA couple games a year, the Yard Goats become the Hartford Steamed Cheeseburgers.  Their caps look like a hamburger.

Is there Aurora Borealis localised in the stadium?

At this time of year?

At this time of day?

Can I see?

...no.

Fair enough.

About that isometric exercise...

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Michigan Lefts
Texas U-Turns
Jersey Jughandles

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

I see what you did there.

Quote from: Anthony_JK on April 16, 2019, 11:24:17 AM

Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Minor league baseball rant:

Until not that long ago (mid-80s) minor league baseball teams either copied major league teams or had real organic names that had a legitimate history in that city (i.e. Asheville Tourists, Knoxville Smokies, Jackson Generals).  Then came the suburban Raleigh team the "Carolina Mudcats".  And it was cute and faux-hickish and faux-Southern.  And suddenly minor league baseball became infected with stupid and meaningless knicknames so they can sell a few shirts on the internet.  Chukars, Vibes, Crosscutters, Lake Monsters, Hops, Dust Devils, Hot Rods, RIver Dogs, Wood Ducks, Woodpeckers, Stone Crabs, Fire Frogs, Rumble Ponies, Yard Goats, Rubber Ducks, Flying Squirrels, Shuckers, Jumbo Shrimp, Blue Wahoos, Sod Poodles, Rock Hounds, Iron Pigs, Rail Riders, Stripers, Baby Cakes, Isotopes, Chihauhuas, and all time stupidest, the Montgomery Biscuits. 

Ummmm....the Baby Cakes name makes perfect sense in NOLA because of Mardi Gras. Also, makes for an noxiously entertaining mascot.

All the things SP Cook hates.

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Seoul Train

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 20, 2019, 03:50:23 PM

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Seoul Train

Jersey Shores
Atlantic City Express(way)
Baltimore Chops
Wisconsin Cheddar
Garden State Parkways
Alabama Slammers
New England Clamchowders
Maine Line
Vermont Maids
Buffalo Soldiers
Camarillo Brillos
Tennessee Tuxedos

There used to be a minor-league or semipro basketball team named "Vermont Frost Heaves."  Great name and fits this site well.

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 20, 2019, 07:58:42 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 20, 2019, 03:50:23 PM

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Seoul Train

Jersey Shores
Atlantic City Express(way)
Baltimore Chops
Wisconsin Cheddar
Garden State Parkways
Alabama Slammers
New England Clamchowders
Maine Line
Vermont Maids
Buffalo Soldiers
Camarillo Brillos
Tennessee Tuxedos

Chicago Cyclones
Seattle Grunge
Atlanta Rhythm
Los Angeles Freeways
Detroit Drive
San Antonio Alamos
Cincinnati Porkers
Washington Presidents
Memphis Blue Notes
Pittsburgh Ironmen
Kansas City Barbecues
New Orleans Cajuns

The intro to Baseketball mocked stadium naming rights as well as teams (such as the Minneapolis Lakers moving to Los Angeles "where there are no lakes") moving among other things.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/d1-QAF8gLy0

Quote from: Henry on April 22, 2019, 10:16:15 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 20, 2019, 07:58:42 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 20, 2019, 03:50:23 PM

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Seoul Train

Jersey Shores
Atlantic City Express(way)
Baltimore Chops
Wisconsin Cheddar
Garden State Parkways
Alabama Slammers
New England Clamchowders
Maine Line
Vermont Maids
Buffalo Soldiers
Camarillo Brillos
Tennessee Tuxedos

Chicago Cyclones
Seattle Grunge
Atlanta Rhythm
Los Angeles Freeways
Detroit Drive
San Antonio Alamos
Cincinnati Porkers
Washington Presidents
Memphis Blue Notes
Pittsburgh Ironmen
Kansas City Barbecues
New Orleans Cajuns

Duluth Superiors

Worked with a former player on the Duluth Dukes.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2019, 10:42:05 AM

Quote from: Henry on April 22, 2019, 10:16:15 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 20, 2019, 07:58:42 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on April 20, 2019, 03:50:23 PM

Quote from: Alps on April 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: jbnv on April 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Rocky Mountain Oysters.

New Jersey Tomatoes
New York Groove
New York Minute
Bronx Cheers
Hartford Whalers

Seoul Train

Jersey Shores
Atlantic City Express(way)
Baltimore Chops
Wisconsin Cheddar
Garden State Parkways
Alabama Slammers
New England Clamchowders
Maine Line
Vermont Maids
Buffalo Soldiers
Camarillo Brillos
Tennessee Tuxedos

Chicago Cyclones
Seattle Grunge
Atlanta Rhythm
Los Angeles Freeways
Detroit Drive
San Antonio Alamos
Cincinnati Porkers
Washington Presidents
Memphis Blue Notes
Pittsburgh Ironmen
Kansas City Barbecues
New Orleans Cajuns

Duluth Superiors

Staten Island Fai...no, that'll get me in trouble.

Quote from: Henry on April 22, 2019, 10:16:15 AM
New Orleans Cajuns

Stick with what you know.  :rolleyes: (Also, "Louisiana's Ragin' Cajuns" is already a thing.)

Quote from: Henry on April 22, 2019, 10:16:15 AM
Detroit Drive
Washington Presidents
Pittsburgh Ironmen

Those were actually sports teams in the past

Quote from: Brian556 on September 05, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Remember when the Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee, and kept the name for a few years?

That was so stupid I was so happy when the announced the name change. I don't now why the new Houston football team got the Texans name and not the Oilers.

Quote from: dvferyance on May 11, 2019, 10:03:21 PM

Quote from: Brian556 on September 05, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Remember when the Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee, and kept the name for a few years?

That was so stupid I was so happy when the announced the name change. I don't now why the new Houston football team got the Texans name and not the Oilers.

The NFL announced they were retiring the name "Oilers" after the Tennessee Oilers changed their name.

I can think of a name that would have been dumber: When Lamar Hunt moved his AFL team from Dallas to Kansas City, he didn't want to change their name, but he relented and made them the Chiefs after friends convinced him that "Kansas City Texans" was both a stupid name and one unlikely to gain fan support.

The NBA took a different course when the Jazz and Lakers moved to where the names make no sense to where they relocated to.

Quote from: Big John on May 11, 2019, 10:40:18 PM
The NBA took a different course when the Jazz and Lakers moved to where the names make no sense to where they relocated to.

It was pretty funny when for a time that you had the relocated New Orleans Hornets, a name that would have made perfect sense for a Utah team while the Utah team retained the New Orleans name. Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot, but it was good that they could work out giving the expansion Charlotte team their name back.

Quote from: Rothman on April 22, 2019, 12:17:14 PM
Worked with a former player on the Duluth Dukes.

They relocated to Kansas City and became the T-Bones, which I don't know if that really fits the BBQ association.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:46:13 PM

Quote from: Rothman on April 22, 2019, 12:17:14 PM
Worked with a former player on the Duluth Dukes.

They relocated to Kansas City and became the T-Bones, which I don't know if that really fits the BBQ association.

KC also has a strong steak association. It's solid.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot

By what authority do you say this? Especially since you don't live in Louisiana.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:42:01 PM

Quote from: Big John on May 11, 2019, 10:40:18 PM
The NBA took a different course when the Jazz and Lakers moved to where the names make no sense to where they relocated to.

It was pretty funny when for a time that you had the relocated New Orleans Hornets, a name that would have made perfect sense for a Utah team while the Utah team retained the New Orleans name. Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot, but it was good that they could work out giving the expansion Charlotte team their name back.

Hornets has an historical basis in Charlotte. During the American Revolution, Lord Cornwallis (the same one who surrendered at Yorktown) referred to Mecklenburg County (where Charlotte is) as "a veritable hornet's nest of rebellion." The name "Hornets" became sort of a local badge of honor. I recall when the NBA announced the four-team expansion to Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, and Minneapolis, the Charlotte team was originally announced as the "Charlotte Spirit," but it was changed to "Hornets" before they began play.

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Macon, GA once had a minor league hockey team. Someone suggested that they be called the Macon Eggs, but they became the Macon Whoopies instead. Pre-Baby Boomer senior citizens may get that reference. It sounds like a really dated euphemism.

Quote from: jon daly on May 13, 2019, 12:08:22 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Macon, GA once had a minor league hockey team. Someone suggested that they be called the Macon Eggs, but they became the Macon Whoopies instead. Pre-Baby Boomer senior citizens may get that reference. It sounds like a really dated euphemism.

What's worse is their current minor league baseball team, the Macon Bacon. C'mon, man!

Quote from: jon daly on May 13, 2019, 12:08:22 PM

Quote from: 1 on April 17, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Macon, GA once had a minor league hockey team. Someone suggested that they be called the Macon Eggs, but they became the Macon Whoopies instead. Pre-Baby Boomer senior citizens may get that reference. It sounds like a really dated euphemism.

I'm 45 (for a few more days) and I get the reference. I even mentioned it earlier in the thread.

My apologies. I was at work and didn't read the whole thread. That might be rude. Let me know if I am violating forum norms and I will stop posting in threads without fully reading them.

Quote from: jbnv on May 13, 2019, 10:32:30 AM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot

By what authority do you say this? Especially since you don't live in Louisiana.

There have been several local folks here in my part of the boot (sports talk shows & their callers...all Pelicans fans) that have said how they all thought the game mascot was scary a.f.

As far as the name goes....how many other things can you call a New Orleans team that isn't considered "too weird"?

The New Orleans Beignets

The New Orleans Crawfish

The New Orleans Hurricanes? No...I am thinking of the tall drinks, everyone else would think Katrina.

The New Orleans Cooks

I am really running out of ideas.

Quote from: jon daly on May 13, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
My apologies. I was at work and didn't read the whole thread. That might be rude. Let me know if I am violating forum norms and I will stop posting in threads without fully reading them.

No worries. Especially with obscure team names like that there's no reason to re-read the whole thread.

Quote from: cjk374 on May 13, 2019, 07:37:00 PM

Quote from: jbnv on May 13, 2019, 10:32:30 AM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot

By what authority do you say this? Especially since you don't live in Louisiana.

There have been several local folks here in my part of the boot (sports talk shows & their callers...all Pelicans fans) that have said how they all thought the game mascot was scary a.f.

As far as the name goes....how many other things can you call a New Orleans team that isn't considered "too weird"?

The New Orleans Beignets

The New Orleans Crawfish

The New Orleans Hurricanes? No...I am thinking of the tall drinks, everyone else would think Katrina.

The New Orleans Cooks

I am really running out of ideas.

Dew Drops
Dats
Meters
House-Rockers
Armstrongs
Nevilles
Jukes (or Jooks)
(Wild) Tchoupitoulas
K-Does
Funk
Javelinas [They have nothing to do with New Orleans, just a friend's band name]
Stigs (the NBA can pay off the BBC)
Ponderosa(s Stomps)
Comfort
Bonnett Carres
Picayunes (since the paper got bought out)
Ramparts
Derbignies
MRGO
Fontainebleau

I was always amused by the Montgomery Biscuits, I also hear that Fresno has a team named the Tacos.

Baby Cakes

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 13, 2019, 08:57:30 PM

Quote from: jon daly on May 13, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
My apologies. I was at work and didn't read the whole thread. That might be rude. Let me know if I am violating forum norms and I will stop posting in threads without fully reading them.

No worries. Especially with obscure team names like that there's no reason to re-read the whole thread.

Thanks, I should stop worrying that every time I post I cross some sort of line. There's threads on bodily functions in OT, FFS.

I remember the Whoopees from a Stan Fischler book I got for Christmas as a 3 book box set when I was a kid. The others were on football and baseball. I still remember ther name 40 years later.

Quote from: jbnv on May 13, 2019, 10:32:30 AM

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Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot

By what authority do you say this? Especially since you don't live in Louisiana.

I disagree with that assessment as well. While the New Orleans team could've come up with a better nickname, Pelicans makes a lot of sense because LA is the Pelican State.

I think the name Pelicans makes sense in terms of having a connection to local history or culture, but I think it sounds like a dumb name for a sports team.

Other dumb names that I can readily think of that aren't the result of keeping a relocated team's name: Houston Colt .45s (now the Astros), Montreal Expos (named for the 1967 World's Fair, which kind of made the name outdated), Atlanta United and Minnesota United in MLS (both dumb because there's already a DC United–why does one league need three teams with the same name???*), and Los Angeles Angels (simply because it's redundant–"Los Angeles" means "the Angels").

*I'm aware the CFL used to have the Ottawa Rough Riders (who have folded) and the Saskatchewan Roughriders (who still exist), but that's different because both teams adopted those names prior to the CFL's founding when they played in different leagues and they kept their names upon joining the CFL.

Quote from: ce929wax on May 14, 2019, 12:01:32 AM
I was always amused by the Montgomery Biscuits, I also hear that Fresno has a team named the Tacos.

Me and my dad are with you on the naming of the Monty minor-league baseball team. For those that are not in the know, they are the Double-A affiliate of the Tampa Bay Rays and play in the Southern League's North Division. They are scheduled to play our local minor-league baseball team, the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp (as stupid as this team name sounds, it relates to the local shrimping industry and the shrimp here is damn good), both this weekend (unfortunately we will be out of town for a family trip) and early next month (first weekend of June). For those that are not in the know, they are the Double-A affiliate of the Miami Marlins and play in the Southern League's South Division.

The stadium where the A's and Raiders (for one more season) play, the Oakland Coliseum, has a new naming rights deal.  It will be "RingCentral Coliseum" for three years with an option for a fourth year.  RingCentral appears to be a "cloud communications" company aimed at the small business market.

It's not a big-bucks deal, only bringing in about $1 million per year.

My question is whether a relatively short-term, cheap deal like that would justify putting that name on BGSs on Interstate 880.  I believe some of them still show "O.co Coliseum" after a previous naming rights deal that expired a few years ago.  Others just say "Coliseum".  Let's say there are several BGSs that might logically carry the "RingCentral Coliseum" name; how is that determination made, how much would it cost to change those signs and who pays?

Me and a buddy almost went to see the Biscuits when they played in Birmingham, but didn't do it.  It's on my list of things to do, though. 

Closer to home, we have the Lansing Lugnuts.

Quote from: ce929wax on May 14, 2019, 11:26:34 PM
Me and a buddy almost went to see the Biscuits when they played in Birmingham, but didn't do it.  It's on my list of things to do, though. 

Closer to home, we have the Lansing Lugnuts.

But are they a bunch of singing lugnuts?  :p

Quote from: gonealookin on May 14, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
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My question is whether a relatively short-term, cheap deal like that would justify putting that name on BGSs on Interstate 880.  I believe some of them still show "O.co Coliseum" after a previous naming rights deal that expired a few years ago.  Others just say "Coliseum".  Let's say there are several BGSs that might logically carry the "RingCentral Coliseum" name; how is that determination made, how much would it cost to change those signs and who pays?

I've always thought the way the New Jersey Turnpike signs the Meadowlands makes good sense. Their BGSs say "Sports Complex." Of course if there's just one facility you wouldn't have a "complex," but "Baseball Stadium" or "Football Stadium" might make sense (recognizing that places with both a college and pro football stadium in the same general area might need to clarify further). Signs in DC could do likewise: Verizon's naming rights on the arena expired a couple of years ago and they elected not to renew, so it's now technically Capital One Arena (most of us continue to call it Verizon Center), but all the road signs (big and small) continue to say "Verizon Center," including some BGSs on I-395 that use it as a "control city" alongside Nationals Park. I suppose those signs could be tweaked to replace Nationals Park with "Baseball/Soccer Stadiums" and "Arena," maybe. (The new soccer stadium, Audi Field, didn't exist when the signs were posted; it opened last July.)

The MTA in New York addressed the issue of who pays for changes when the Mets' new ballpark, Citi Field, opened. The old name for the subway stop was Willets Point–Shea Stadium. The MTA said they'd only put "Citi Field" on the stop and the map if the Mets or Citigroup put up some amount of money for it, and I think there was something about what would happen if it were renamed but I don't recall the details. Anyway, the Mets and Citi refused and the stop is now "Mets–Willets Point." Seems sensible to me. Of course, it's easy when only one team plays there, whereas many indoor sports arenas are home to a minimum of two (NHL and NBA) and often more. The DC Metrorail doesn't mention the arena in the name of the nearest subway stop, but the signs in the station guide you to "Arena" and some of the train operators mention it in the announcements (if you can understand them at all).

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 15, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
The MTA in New York addressed the issue of who pays for changes when the Mets' new ballpark, Citi Field, opened. The old name for the subway stop was Willets Point–Shea Stadium. The MTA said they'd only put "Citi Field" on the stop and the map if the Mets or Citigroup put up some amount of money for it, and I think there was something about what would happen if it were renamed but I don't recall the details. Anyway, the Mets and Citi refused and the stop is now "Mets–Willets Point." Seems sensible to me. Of course, it's easy when only one team plays there, whereas many indoor sports arenas are home to a minimum of two (NHL and NBA) and often more. The DC Metrorail doesn't mention the arena in the name of the nearest subway stop, but the signs in the station guide you to "Arena" and some of the train operators mention it in the announcements (if you can understand them at all).

This reminds me of the naming clusterfuck that is the station on MARTA's Blue/Green line that one gets off at to go to a Falcons/Hawks/United game. From what I can tell, it's still officially called (on maps, etc.) the remarkably unwieldy "Dome/GWCC/Philips Arena/CNN Center", usually referred to in speech (including station announcements) as just "Dome". The Georgia Dome, of course, no longer exists, and Philips Arena has been renamed. For now, MARTA seems content to just put up signs at Five Points saying "hey, go one station west to get to Mercedes-Benz Stadium".

Quote from: cjk374 on May 13, 2019, 07:37:00 PM
The New Orleans Hurricanes? No...I am thinking of the tall drinks, everyone else would think Katrina.

This is actually my personal choice for the name of a basketball team in New Orleans.

Definitely no food or crustaceans, though.

If we ever get a MLS team I'd nominate "Contraflow."

If they bring baseball back to New Orleans I'd nominate they reuse the name Zephyrs. At least it's not a tacky name and I think people appreciate it a lot more now thanks to the Baby Cakes fiasco.

(Since we're talking about BGS signs for stadiums: In New Orleans, they all say "Superdome." Of course, they didn't sell naming rights until a relatively-few years ago.)

It's funny, the oft-renamed Washington DC NBA franchise was at one point called the "Chicago Zephyrs." They changed the name to that from the original "Chicago Packers," which was selected to honor the local meatpacking industry but went over like a fart in church because of the Bears' rivalry with the Green Bay Packers. I assume "Zephyrs" was intended as a nod to Chicago's nickname as the "Windy City," given the mythological history behind "Zephyr." (I doubt I'm the only person my age who instead thinks of a monkey when he hears "Zephyr"–in the children's books about Babar the elephant, there's a supporting character who is a monkey named Zephyr.)

Regarding the name "Hurricanes," when the Hartford Whalers moved to North Carolina in 1997 and became the Carolina Hurricanes, some people objected to the name because they felt it was in poor taste after Hurricane Fran had pounded the state the previous September.

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 15, 2019, 02:54:29 PMRegarding the name "Hurricanes," when the Hartford Whalers moved to North Carolina in 1997 and became the Carolina Hurricanes, some people objected to the name because they felt it was in poor taste after Hurricane Fran had pounded the state the previous September.

I remember hearing a little bit about that. I was living in Fremont, NC at the time.

Boy, do I remember Fran! It destroyed the canopy at the Shell gas station at the northern edge of town on US-117. It became Fast Break in the early 2000's (I forgot the exact year). The town was a mess.

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Quote from: 1995hoo on May 15, 2019, 02:54:29 PMRegarding the name "Hurricanes," when the Hartford Whalers moved to North Carolina in 1997 and became the Carolina Hurricanes, some people objected to the name because they felt it was in poor taste after Hurricane Fran had pounded the state the previous September.

I remember hearing a little bit about that. I was living in Fremont, NC at the time.

Boy, do I remember Fran! It destroyed the canopy at the Shell gas station at the northern edge of town on US-117. It became Fast Break in the early 2000's (I forgot the exact year). The town was a mess.

I was in my second year of law school at Duke and I lived in an apartment on Central Campus. Some of us had been out at Devine's or Satisfaction the night the storm hit. Driving home in the rain I noted the city had taken down a lot of the traffic lights and tied the span wire around the support poles. When I got back to my apartment, the only space left in the parking lot was under the willow tree in front of my apartment. I parked in a different lot a quarter-mile away where there were no trees or utility poles around. Someone else parked in the space I passed up and in the morning the willow tree was on top of his car. Trees down all over the city, lots of cars destroyed or damaged, lots of people without power. I never lost power because Duke had backup generators for on-campus housing, and I remember quite well on Sunday when a friend of mine whose car had run out of gas called to ask what I was up to and I replied, "Watching the Panthers game on TV." I wasn't really thinking about nobody else having power until his reply: "Fuck you!!!!" (He then asked if I would help him find gas for his car and offered to top off my tank in return.)

The lack of power meant a lot of the gas pumps weren't working and the gas lines were like the 1970s. I remember very well a local TV station interviewing some idiot woman who complained that she ran out of gas while waiting on line. Apparently she was too stupid to roll down the windows and turn off the car.

The Frontier League (an independent baseball league in the Ohio Valley and midwestern section of the US) had some odd team names such as...
      - Chillicothe Paints
      - Johnstown Johnnies
      - Normal Cornbelters
      - Traverse City Beach Bums
And yes, our area team, Florence Freedom.

Can't say there weren't a few odd ABA names either...
       - Pittsburgh Pipers
       - Memphis Tams (Tams named for the states around Memphis--Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi--a Charlie O. Finley creation)
       - my second hometown, Virginia Squires (hardly a name that strikes "fear", which they did not the last two years in the ABA going 15-69 and 15-68)
       - Spirits of St. Louis (obvious why, however, I believe it is one of my favorite team names of all time--and what a team of oddball characters! Read about them in the book "Loose Balls", a history of the ABA.)

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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot

By what authority do you say this? Especially since you don't live in Louisiana.

There have been several local folks here in my part of the boot (sports talk shows & their callers...all Pelicans fans) that have said how they all thought the game mascot was scary a.f.

Pelicans are rather scary - they are, of course, dinosaurs. Plus I saw one eat a London pigeon (filthy sky rats) whole just for making a move towards the pelican's fish!

OK, they aren't Emu's that can beat the Australian army in a war (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emu_War&oldid=895346970), nor are they the traditional raptors, but they are far more hardcore than, say, cardinals, blue jays, or orioles, as birds go.

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Quote from: jbnv on May 13, 2019, 10:32:30 AM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Pelicans is a dumb name with a dumb mascot

By what authority do you say this? Especially since you don't live in Louisiana.

I disagree with that assessment as well. While the New Orleans team could've come up with a better nickname, Pelicans makes a lot of sense because LA is the Pelican State.

Pelicans sounded fine to me when they moved the Hornets back to Charlotte. I did love the Hornet logo for NO on their court.

Quote from: amroad17 on May 16, 2019, 05:40:00 AM
Can't say there weren't a few odd ABA names either...
       - Pittsburgh Pipers
       - Memphis Tams (Tams named for the states around Memphis--Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi--a Charlie O. Finley creation)
       - my second hometown, Virginia Squires (hardly a name that strikes "fear", which they did not the last two years in the ABA going 15-69 and 15-68)
       - Spirits of St. Louis (obvious why, however, I believe it is one of my favorite team names of all time--and what a team of oddball characters! Read about them in the book "Loose Balls", a history of the ABA.)

I would add the Anaheim Amigos as well.

Quote from: Verlanka on May 16, 2019, 09:52:51 AM

Quote from: amroad17 on May 16, 2019, 05:40:00 AM
Can't say there weren't a few odd ABA names either...
       - Pittsburgh Pipers
       - Memphis Tams (Tams named for the states around Memphis--Tennessee, Arkansas, and Mississippi--a Charlie O. Finley creation)
       - my second hometown, Virginia Squires (hardly a name that strikes "fear", which they did not the last two years in the ABA going 15-69 and 15-68)
       - Spirits of St. Louis (obvious why, however, I believe it is one of my favorite team names of all time--and what a team of oddball characters! Read about them in the book "Loose Balls", a history of the ABA.)

I would add the Anaheim Amigos as well.

Or the Flint Tropics?
:bigass:

Unfortunately, Miller Park is being changed to American Family Park next season, which is really dumb. "Miller Park" sounds nice and original, and it compliments the spirit of the city in its beer industry. There are already lots of generic business named stadiums.

Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2019, 07:43:30 PM
Unfortunately, Miller Park is being changed to American Family Park next season, which is really dumb. "Miller Park" sounds nice and original, and it compliments the spirit of the city in its beer industry. There are already lots of generic business named stadiums.

Isn't it going to be "American Family Insurance Park", since that insurance company just acquired the naming rights? A bit less generic.

Quote from: oscar on May 31, 2019, 07:52:04 PM

Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2019, 07:43:30 PM
Unfortunately, Miller Park is being changed to American Family Park next season, which is really dumb. "Miller Park" sounds nice and original, and it compliments the spirit of the city in its beer industry. There are already lots of generic business named stadiums.

Isn't it going to be "American Family Insurance Park", since that insurance company just acquired the naming rights? A bit less generic.

Way more generic than Miller Park, though.

Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2019, 08:53:28 PM

Quote from: oscar on May 31, 2019, 07:52:04 PM

Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2019, 07:43:30 PM
Unfortunately, Miller Park is being changed to American Family Park next season, which is really dumb. "Miller Park" sounds nice and original, and it compliments the spirit of the city in its beer industry. There are already lots of generic business named stadiums.

Isn't it going to be "American Family Insurance Park", since that insurance company just acquired the naming rights? A bit less generic.

Way more generic than Miller Park, though.

How is it generic?  It's the name of the company!  https://www.amfam.com/

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Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2019, 08:53:28 PM

Quote from: oscar on May 31, 2019, 07:52:04 PM

Quote from: thspfc on May 31, 2019, 07:43:30 PM
Unfortunately, Miller Park is being changed to American Family Park next season, which is really dumb. "Miller Park" sounds nice and original, and it compliments the spirit of the city in its beer industry. There are already lots of generic business named stadiums.

Isn't it going to be "American Family Insurance Park", since that insurance company just acquired the naming rights? A bit less generic.

Way more generic than Miller Park, though.

How is it generic?  It's the name of the company!  https://www.amfam.com/

Yeah but think about all of the corporate-named stadiums in baseball. I know Miller Park is a corporate name, but beer brewing is a big part of the city - and, heck, the team is called the Brewers so it's perfect.

I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Me too. Everybody will be.

Related: sometimes when sponsors for stadiums don't match up with the sponsors for tournaments, they get new generic names.

Today's UEFA Champions League final is being played in Madrid at the Wanda Metropolitano, but Wanda Group (a Chinese conglomerate) is not a UEFA sponsor, so it is known as the Estadio Metropolitano on the broadcast.

It would be nice if they were always referred to in this way.

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Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Me too. Everybody will be.

Not AARoads forum member CNGL-Leudimin, who seems to have some sort of hangup about sponsored venue names (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23918.msg2402148#msg2402148).

Quote from: 1995hoo on June 01, 2019, 04:19:52 PM

Quote from: thspfc on June 01, 2019, 02:30:43 PM

Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Me too. Everybody will be.

Not AARoads forum member CNGL-Leudimin, who seems to have some sort of hangup about sponsored venue names (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23918.msg2402148#msg2402148).

It's a common attitude for a lot of European fans, whose teams play in venues that have been named for geographic reasons or for legendary people for decades.

But for newly-built venues in the U.S., it's kind of ridiculous to force a generic name.

Quote from: 1995hoo on June 01, 2019, 04:19:52 PM

Quote from: thspfc on June 01, 2019, 02:30:43 PM

Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Me too. Everybody will be.

Not AARoads forum member CNGL-Leudimin, who seems to have some sort of hangup about sponsored venue names (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23918.msg2402148#msg2402148).

Milwaukee Brewers Baseball Park. There we go.

Quote from: Bruce on June 01, 2019, 05:18:28 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on June 01, 2019, 04:19:52 PM
Not AARoads forum member CNGL-Leudimin, who seems to have some sort of hangup about sponsored venue names (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23918.msg2402148#msg2402148).

It's a common attitude for a lot of European fans, whose teams play in venues that have been named for geographic reasons or for legendary people for decades.

But for newly-built venues in the U.S., it's kind of ridiculous to force a generic name.

Actually this habit of mine started with team naming. Unlike in the USA, in Europe teams can have a sponsored name (though most association football teams don't go that way), and I started referring them by their "true" name, the one under they are incorporated. Eventually I expanded this corporate sponsorship denial to all sorts of venues. However the Cubs Park remains as Wrigley Field, as it's not exactly a corporate sponsorship but rather named after someone who also happens to be the namesake of a corporation.

Quote from: thspfc on June 01, 2019, 06:13:11 PM

Quote from: 1995hoo on June 01, 2019, 04:19:52 PM

Quote from: thspfc on June 01, 2019, 02:30:43 PM

Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Me too. Everybody will be.

Not AARoads forum member CNGL-Leudimin, who seems to have some sort of hangup about sponsored venue names (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23918.msg2402148#msg2402148).

Milwaukee Brewers Baseball Park. There we go.

How about the Paint Can in downtown Pittsburgh?  That said, unlike CNGL, I don't have that big a hangup about sponsored venue names, just about going on, say, Google Maps and finding out a new name change when I'm just getting used to the previous name.

Stadium naming rights might make a good topic for an alt-rock or C&W (traditional or modern) song.

ixnay

Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Minor league baseball rant:

Until not that long ago (mid-80s) minor league baseball teams either copied major league teams or had real organic names that had a legitimate history in that city (i.e. Asheville Tourists, Knoxville Smokies, Jackson Generals).  Then came the suburban Raleigh team the "Carolina Mudcats".  And it was cute and faux-hickish and faux-Southern.  And suddenly minor league baseball became infected with stupid and meaningless knicknames so they can sell a few shirts on the internet.  Chukars, Vibes, Crosscutters, Lake Monsters, Hops, Dust Devils, Hot Rods, RIver Dogs, Wood Ducks, Woodpeckers, Stone Crabs, Fire Frogs, Rumble Ponies, Yard Goats, Rubber Ducks, Flying Squirrels, Shuckers, Jumbo Shrimp, Blue Wahoos, Sod Poodles, Rock Hounds, Iron Pigs, Rail Riders, Stripers, Baby Cakes, Isotopes, Chihauhuas, and all time stupidest, the Montgomery Biscuits. 

Speaking of selling shirts (and caps) on the Internet...meet the Kane County Atomic Pork Chops (https://www.milb.com/kane-county/news/cougars-to-take-on-new-identity-as-kane-county-atomic-pork-chops/c-308293354) (for three home games this season).

QuoteThe players and coaches will wear specialty hats and jerseys for the games. In addition, fans will be able to purchase Atomic Pork Chops logo t-shirts and hats from the Cougar Den Team Store, located at Northwestern Medicine Field. A limited supply of Atomic Pork Chops merchandise will be available online in the coming weeks.

(https://i.imgur.com/jwHrICH.jpg)

Quote from: SP Cook on April 16, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Minor league baseball rant:

Until not that long ago (mid-80s) minor league baseball teams either copied major league teams or had real organic names that had a legitimate history in that city (i.e. Asheville Tourists, Knoxville Smokies, Jackson Generals).  Then came the suburban Raleigh team the "Carolina Mudcats".  And it was cute and faux-hickish and faux-Southern.  And suddenly minor league baseball became infected with stupid and meaningless knicknames so they can sell a few shirts on the internet.  Chukars, Vibes, Crosscutters, Lake Monsters, Hops, Dust Devils, Hot Rods, RIver Dogs, Wood Ducks, Woodpeckers, Stone Crabs, Fire Frogs, Rumble Ponies, Yard Goats, Rubber Ducks, Flying Squirrels, Shuckers, Jumbo Shrimp, Blue Wahoos, Sod Poodles, Rock Hounds, Iron Pigs, Rail Riders, Stripers, Baby Cakes, Isotopes, Chihauhuas, and all time stupidest, the Montgomery Biscuits.

*Lehigh Valley* Iron Pigs fits because of Bethlehem Steel (pig iron).  *Scranton/Wilkes-Barre* Rail Riders fits because of the Wyoming Valley's history as a rail hub.

ixnay

I just visited the Savannah area (seeing my in-laws and taking in the sights of Savannah and Tybee Island) and heard on TV that there is a local team playing in the Coastal Plains League (a collegiate wood bat league) named the Savannah Bananas.  As ridiculous as the name sounds, this team is setting attendance records in the league and even won a championship in 2016.

Here are some more odd names for minor league teams (not just baseball)...
     - Tidewater (now Norfolk) Tides
     - Maine Guides (former Phillies AAA team from 1984-88, moved to Scranton-Wilkes Barre in 1989)
     - Charleston Charlies (International League team from 1971-83--although they were named after a man named Charlie Levine, the owner's father).  This team moved to Maine in 1984.
     - Lancaster Red Roses (CBA team in the 1970's).  After playing in Philadelphia for one year (1980-81), they moved back to Lancaster and became the Lancaster Lightning.
     - Ohio Mixers (CBA team based in Lima, OH in 1982-83)
     - West Virginia Power (Low A, South Atlantic League)

Quote from: amroad17 on June 23, 2019, 03:23:22 AM
     - Charleston Charlies (International League team from 1971-83--although they were named after a man named Charlie Levine, the owner's father).

It would make sense even if it weren't named for an actual person. (I remember during a visit to Charleston seeing a billboard that said "Welcome to Chucktown.")

Back in 1970, when Cincinnati built a new stadium for the Reds and Bengals, there was a naming contest.   My dad proposed the name Regal stadium, which is a combination of Reds & Bengals, as well as a nod to Cincinnati's nickname of the Queen City.

I thought my dad was clever, but apparently not enough other people did, as the stadium was named Riverfront instead.   That came in part, because in the media, the stadium was being referred to as the riverfront stadium (small R) just because of its location.

I always felt Lincoln Financial Field was slightly odd for the Philadelphia Eagles football stadium because Lincoln Financial isn't an everyday business many people utilize.  Most people couldn't tell you who they are or what they do.  Or even where they are located.  I don't know if I've ever seen any advertising that wasn't part of something Eagles-related.  But, at least they are still in business, and haven't been subject to the name changes the arena next door (now the Wells Fargo Center) has gone thru.

The Phillies, across the street, are in Citizens Bank Park.  While the name has stayed consistent as well, the bank underwent a logo change a number of years back, and it might as well have been a name change in the cost sense.  Everything inside and outside the stadium that had the sign and logo, down to the 43,000 individual cup holders with the Citizens Bank logo, were all replaced.

Quote from: frankenroad on June 24, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
Back in 1970, when Cincinnati built a new stadium for the Reds and Bengals, there was a naming contest.   My dad proposed the name Regal stadium, which is a combination of Reds & Bengals, as well as a nod to Cincinnati's nickname of the Queen City.

I thought my dad was clever, but apparently not enough other people did, as the stadium was named Riverfront instead.   That came in part, because in the media, the stadium was being referred to as the riverfront stadium (small R) just because of its location.

Chances are that (at least) some of the other people may have ended up confusing your dad's proposed name with Regal Cinemas.

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There should really be a team called the Denver Omelettes. It doesn't matter which sport.

Macon, GA once had a minor league hockey team. Someone suggested that they be called the Macon Eggs, but they became the Macon Whoopies instead. Pre-Baby Boomer senior citizens may get that reference. It sounds like a really dated euphemism.

What's worse is their current minor league baseball team, the Macon Bacon. C'mon, man!

The Macon Bacon and the Montgomery Biscuits of the Southern League oughta form a new league called the Breakfast League!

Quote from: kevinb1994 on June 24, 2019, 02:49:20 PM

Quote from: frankenroad on June 24, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
Back in 1970, when Cincinnati built a new stadium for the Reds and Bengals, there was a naming contest.   My dad proposed the name Regal stadium, which is a combination of Reds & Bengals, as well as a nod to Cincinnati's nickname of the Queen City.

I thought my dad was clever, but apparently not enough other people did, as the stadium was named Riverfront instead.   That came in part, because in the media, the stadium was being referred to as the riverfront stadium (small R) just because of its location.

Chances are that (at least) some of the other people may have ended up confusing your dad's proposed name with Regal Cinemas.

Regal Cinemas was established in 1989 in Knoxville TN.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regal_Cinemas

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Quote from: frankenroad on June 24, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
Back in 1970, when Cincinnati built a new stadium for the Reds and Bengals, there was a naming contest.   My dad proposed the name Regal stadium, which is a combination of Reds & Bengals, as well as a nod to Cincinnati's nickname of the Queen City.

I thought my dad was clever, but apparently not enough other people did, as the stadium was named Riverfront instead.   That came in part, because in the media, the stadium was being referred to as the riverfront stadium (small R) just because of its location.

Chances are that (at least) some of the other people may have ended up confusing your dad's proposed name with Regal Cinemas.

Regal Cinemas was established in 1989 in Knoxville TN.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regal_Cinemas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regal_Cinemas)

I meant that later on, (at least) some people may have eventually been confused.

Who is dumb enough to confuse a stadium with a cinema company?

Quote from: amroad17 on June 23, 2019, 03:23:22 AM
Here are some more odd names for minor league teams (not just baseball)...
     - Tidewater (now Norfolk) Tides

Some are not so odd when you dig deeper...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidewater_(region)

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     - Lancaster Red Roses (CBA team in the 1970's).  After playing in Philadelphia for one year (1980-81), they moved back to Lancaster and became the Lancaster Lightning.

There was a Lancaster Red Roses baseball team too, once upon a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_Red_Roses

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses :

"The Wars of the Roses were a series of English civil wars for control of the throne of England fought between supporters of two rival branches of the royal House of Plantagenet: the House of Lancaster, associated with a red rose, and the House of York, whose symbol was a white rose."

And from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster,_Pennsylvania :

"Originally called Hickory Town, the city was renamed after the English city of Lancaster by native John Wright. Its symbol, the red rose, is from the House of Lancaster."

It becomes clearer now why Lancaster's bus system is called Red Rose Transit...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rose_Transit_Authority

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     - West Virginia Power (Low A, South Atlantic League)

You've heard of "power hitters" in baseball, amroad?

ixnay

Quote from: MNHighwayMan on June 25, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Who is dumb enough to confuse a stadium with a cinema company?

Especially a movie house company founded 19 years after Riverfront's opening?

ixnay

Quote from: ixnay on June 26, 2019, 12:16:00 AM
   

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     - West Virginia Power (Low A, South Atlantic League)

You've heard of "power hitters" in baseball, amroad?

Yeah, but the West Virginia Power, and their park, Appalachian Power Park, are named by their primary sponsor, Appalachian Power, which is the local electric utility in about 2/3rds of West Virginia.

Since, at least in WV, there is one and only one electric utility per location, what advertising value AEP gets out of the deal is questionable.   AEP beat out the political lobby "Friends of Coal" which was proposing "Miners" and "Friends of Coal Stadium". 

Quote from: amroad17 on June 23, 2019, 03:23:22 AM
I just visited the Savannah area (seeing my in-laws and taking in the sights of Savannah and Tybee Island) and heard on TV that there is a local team playing in the Coastal Plains League (a collegiate wood bat league) named the Savannah Bananas.  As ridiculous as the name sounds, this team is setting attendance records in the league and even won a championship in 2016.

I've heard the team name was one factor in the Dole fruit company choosing Savannah over other possible east coast ports for their shipping in and out of the US.  And yes, that includes bananas! :-D

I was always used to the Tides name--as I lived in the Hampton Roads area from 1972-94.  To others, I felt it was an odd name.

I appreciate the info expounded about the other "odd-named" teams I mentioned.  I never equated the Lancaster name with Red Roses.  I just thought it was an odd name for a basketball team.

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     - West Virginia Power (Low A, South Atlantic League)

You've heard of "power hitters" in baseball, amroad?

Yeah, but the West Virginia Power, and their park, Appalachian Power Park, are named by their primary sponsor, Appalachian Power, which is the local electric utility in about 2/3rds of West Virginia.

Since, at least in WV, there is one and only one electric utility per location, what advertising value AEP gets out of the deal is questionable.   AEP beat out the political lobby "Friends of Coal" which was proposing "Miners" and "Friends of Coal Stadium".

I sense you preferred the coal-theme name.  Understandable given WV's history.

In fairness, it wasn't until the internet age that I learned the reason for Red Rose naming for certain things Lancaster, not having grown up there.  In fact Lancaster's current Atlantic League rivalry with the York Revolution (York, PA is the "White Rose City") is hyped as the ongoing "War of the Roses".

ixnay

Actually, I like Charlies or Senators, which are the traditional non-corporate, non-political, non-faux hickish names for baseball teams in Charleston.    I like Charleston over West Virginia, as the state has several other minor league teams.

The Friends of Coal took their money and sponsored the basketball court down the street at the local arena.  I cannot find a good picture of it on line, but it is probably the most butt ugly basketball court there is, a basketball morphing into the state map morphing into Depression era coal miners.  All in orange, of all colors.

Not to get political, but the only place the electric company can get money is from its customers (AKA me), and, at least here, the traditional regulated monopoly model is used.  If live at a particular place, it and only it, is THE electric company.  So of what benefit is any spending by it on advertising?

Quote from: Verlanka on April 16, 2019, 10:05:55 AM
With the Golden State Warriors moving back to San Francisco next year, does anyone know if they could keep "Golden State" or just go back to "San Francisco" like they were in the 1960s?

Since I haven't heard anything, I assume they're keeping the Golden State nickname, which makes since.

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Quote from: Verlanka on April 16, 2019, 10:05:55 AM
With the Golden State Warriors moving back to San Francisco next year, does anyone know if they could keep "Golden State" or just go back to "San Francisco" like they were in the 1960s?

Since I haven't heard anything, I assume they're keeping the Golden State nickname, which makes since.

They had announced they were keeping Golden State back in April 2018:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/golden-state-warriors-confirm-they-wont-change-name-when-moving-to-san-francisco-before-2019-20-season/

I'm sure they considered changing back to San Francisco from a branding/marketing perspective (a la the Angels changing back to Los Angeles), but 1) their brand is about as strong as possible right now, why mess with it, and 2) it would be another slap in the face to Oakland, and you want to keep as many East Bay fans as possible coming across the bridge.

The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Putting two and two together with recent headlines, someone just posted on social media:  "Murder Hornets would have been a way cooler name than Wind Surge."

:)

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Isn't that the team formerly known as the New Orleans Baby Cakes? If so, congratulations, they're doing to Wichita just what they did to New Orleans.

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Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Isn't that the team formerly known as the New Orleans Baby Cakes? If so, congratulations, they're doing to Wichita just what they did to New Orleans.

Yes.  Don't remind me.

I actually should have liked the name 'Baby Cakes' better than 'Wind Surge'.  And that's for the one simple reason that it's a plural.  In my opinion, all sports teams should have a plural name.

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 06:26:52 PM

Quote from: jbnv on May 07, 2020, 05:27:23 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Isn't that the team formerly known as the New Orleans Baby Cakes? If so, congratulations, they're doing to Wichita just what they did to New Orleans.

Yes.  Don't remind me.

I actually should have liked the name 'Baby Cakes' better than 'Wind Surge'.  And that's for the one simple reason that it's a plural.  In my opinion, all sports teams should have a plural name.

A headline starting with "Wichita Wind Surges..." might be mistaken for a weather report.

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 07, 2020, 08:38:44 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 06:26:52 PM

Quote from: jbnv on May 07, 2020, 05:27:23 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Isn't that the team formerly known as the New Orleans Baby Cakes? If so, congratulations, they're doing to Wichita just what they did to New Orleans.

Yes.  Don't remind me.

I actually should have liked the name 'Baby Cakes' better than 'Wind Surge'.  And that's for the one simple reason that it's a plural.  In my opinion, all sports teams should have a plural name.

A headline starting with "Wichita Wind Surges..." might be mistaken for a weather report.

"Wichita Wind Surge Obliterates Cedar Rapids in Blowout"

Quote from: 1 on May 07, 2020, 08:44:13 PM

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 07, 2020, 08:38:44 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 06:26:52 PM

Quote from: jbnv on May 07, 2020, 05:27:23 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Isn't that the team formerly known as the New Orleans Baby Cakes? If so, congratulations, they're doing to Wichita just what they did to New Orleans.

Yes.  Don't remind me.

I actually should have liked the name 'Baby Cakes' better than 'Wind Surge'.  And that's for the one simple reason that it's a plural.  In my opinion, all sports teams should have a plural name.

A headline starting with "Wichita Wind Surges..." might be mistaken for a weather report.

"Wichita Wind Surge Obliterates Cedar Rapids in Blowout"

Considering the Baby Cakes were once named the Zephyrs, the name choice is double-plus weird. Based on their logo, maybe "Pegasuses" just had too many S's (or excess esses).

Coincidentally, they're an affiliate for the Miami Marlins, which once shared its former stadium with the Miami Hurricanes.

Quote from: Scott5114 on May 07, 2020, 08:38:44 PM
A headline starting with "Wichita Wind Surges..." might be mistaken for a weather report.

No worse than the singular as a headline.

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 06:26:52 PM

Quote from: jbnv on May 07, 2020, 05:27:23 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 07, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
The baseball team coming to Wichita will be called the Wind Surge.  This is a retarded name, and everyone in town is groaning about it.  Apparently, the officials came to Wichita, learned some things about the area, decided on the name, and then put it to us for a "vote".  They'd already decided on one, mind you.  Anyway...

Isn't that the team formerly known as the New Orleans Baby Cakes? If so, congratulations, they're doing to Wichita just what they did to New Orleans.

Yes.  Don't remind me.

I actually should have liked the name 'Baby Cakes' better than 'Wind Surge'.  And that's for the one simple reason that it's a plural.  In my opinion, all sports teams should have a plural name.

Why didn't they just keep the name of the indie team that was there before, the Wingnuts?

/me checks for NE2 around the corner

Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Road related:  The short stub of the WI-175 freeway that runs south of I-94 is known as "Miller Park Way."  This continues onto a surface street for just over a mile into the Village of West Milwaukee.

The Brewers requested that both the City of Milwaukee and the Village of West Milwaukee rename the street "Brewers Boulevard."  Milwaukee agreed.  West Milwaukee did not, mostly because of some dispute over who would pay for the signage, etc. 

I think the street should just revert back to 43rd Street, which is what it was prior to Miller Park's construction.

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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a franchise keeping the team name when it moves unless the name would be utterly illogical.

Absurd: Utah Jazz.
Not absurd: New Orleans Hornets.
Geographically appropriate but absurd for the NBA: New Orleans Pelicans.

Isn't jazz illegal in Utah?

LA Lakers, anyone?  In a region so dry it couldn't be settled without taking water from hundreds of miles away?  Minneapolis called and wants its common sense back.

Hornets made much more sense in Charlotte, the "Hornets' nest of insurrection" during the Revolution.

Some teams were paired nicely with another but are no longer, like the two St. Louis Cardinals, two New York Giants, Kansas City Royals & Kings, or Boston Braves & Redskins.

The best-traveling name was, of course, the Fort Wayne Pistons moving to Detroit (honorable mention for Baltimore Bullets' move to Washington).

The LA Lakers are alliterative, but geographically as absurd as the Utah Jazz. The team moved from Minnesota. They were called "Minneapolis Lakers" before they moved.

It is SLIGHTLY geographically incongruous that the Raiders would not be a coastal team, but there is enough Pirate and underworld connection to Las Vegas that we can give them a pass.

As far as the Indianapolis Colts are concerned, doesn't Indianapolis have suburbs (and, in fact, the main airport) in Kentucky? Maybe Indi is a little more famous for racing automobiles, but horses aren't THAT far away.

It would have been a great turn of phrase, if the Arizona Cardinals had been renamed the "Phoenix Phoenixes" or the "Roadrunners", keeping the avian theme.

Quote from: michravera on July 22, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
As far as the Indianapolis Colts are concerned, doesn't Indianapolis have suburbs (and, in fact, the main airport) in Kentucky? Maybe Indi is a little more famous for racing automobiles, but horses aren't THAT far away.

Indianapolis is smack dab in the center of the state. You're probably thinking of Cincinnati.

In team naming news:

Louisville's new women's soccer team has been named "Racing Louisville FC", in reference to the local horse racing scene. An earlier name, Proof Louisville FC, was rejected after it got a lukewarm reaction from fans.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/37/Racing_Louisville_FC_logo.svg/768px-Racing_Louisville_FC_logo.svg.png)

Charlotte's new MLS team will be named Charlotte FC, to the disappointment of many people who wanted something more original, like Charlotte Town. Their crest is the 5th in MLS to use a roundel and 5th in MLS to use a crown. Clearly they are destined to be forever in 5th place.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/91/Charlotte_FC_logo.svg/768px-Charlotte_FC_logo.svg.png)

Tomorrow, NHL Seattle is announcing its name and logo. It's likely to be Kraken, to everyone's disappointment (except our unpopular mayor).

(https://preview.redd.it/2oc6zjpijnc51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6aaa03a2616275f744d1374ffcaafd9bf5b57929)

Well, it's better than these names:

Washington Football Club
Washington Monuments
Washington Cascades
Virginia Wolfs

Quote from: 1 on July 23, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Washington Cascades

That's for us in the other Washington.

Anyway, Seattle has now released the Kraken. The logos are nice, at least.

(https://nhl.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2020/07/krakenlogos.png)

Quote from: Bruce on July 23, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
Anyway, Seattle has now released the Kraken. The logos are nice, at least.

(https://nhl.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2020/07/krakenlogos.png)

I never thought I'd warm up to the name, but I love it! I guess the question is, will they pull a Detroit and throw squid onto the ice when a goal is scored? (I know Detroit actually throws octopuses, but I think Kraken would be more similar to squid.)

Good job Seattle.  Best new sports team name of the century so far!



"Washington Football Team" is so awesome.  I really gotta give credit to someone over there to have zero vision for the future and not have something lined up or be unable to come up with something in 2 months.  Really?  You've got nothing?  I bet you could take some random class of first graders and have them come up with something better.

Or is it that you have to sue some douchebag who's squatted on the trademark you want?

Quote from: Takumi on July 23, 2020, 04:46:33 PM
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I read somewhere that Washington Sentinels was seriously being considered for the team in Washington. That was the team in the Keanu Reeves movie The Replacements. I suppose that would still be better than the Washington Generals.

How about the "Washington Not Redskins"?

This will surely be followed up with:

Chicago Not the Baseball Squad, The Other Sport With Sticks Team

Cleveland Team That Didn't Move

Atlanta Baseball Team via Beantown

Quote from: formulanone on July 27, 2020, 07:49:29 PM
This will surely be followed up with:

Chicago Not the Baseball Squad, The Other Sport With Sticks Team

Cleveland Team That Didn't Move

Atlanta Baseball Team via Beantown

Uh...made another stop along the way.

Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 27, 2020, 08:36:37 PM

Quote from: formulanone on July 27, 2020, 07:49:29 PM
This will surely be followed up with:

Chicago Not the Baseball Squad, The Other Sport With Sticks Team

Cleveland Team That Didn't Move

Atlanta Baseball Team via Beantown

Uh...made another stop along the way.

Yes, they made a stop in WAUK. I'm also gonna add a satellite team here in JAX because they helped tremendously despite not staying for long.

Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 27, 2020, 08:36:37 PM

Quote from: formulanone on July 27, 2020, 07:49:29 PM
This will surely be followed up with:

Chicago Not the Baseball Squad, The Other Sport With Sticks Team

Cleveland Team That Didn't Move

Atlanta Baseball Team via Beantown

Uh...made another stop along the way.

ok...Boston and Milwaukee Team Which Naturally Made a Stop in Atlanta; We Will Be Arriving in the MLB Terminal, so if Atlanta is Not Your Final Destination, Please Be Courteous To Fellow Passengers Who Might Have to Continue to Calgary or Winnipeg

Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 21, 2020, 03:45:04 PM

Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 01, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
I'll still be saying "Miller Park" long after this new sponsorship expires and it's yet some other clumsy-sounding bullshit.

Road related:  The short stub of the WI-175 freeway that runs south of I-94 is known as "Miller Park Way."  This continues onto a surface street for just over a mile into the Village of West Milwaukee.

The Brewers requested that both the City of Milwaukee and the Village of West Milwaukee rename the street "Brewers Boulevard."  Milwaukee agreed.  West Milwaukee did not, mostly because of some dispute over who would pay for the signage, etc. 

I think the street should just revert back to 43rd Street, which is what it was prior to Miller Park's construction.

43rd is fine. I would call it Stadium Pkwy since it really acts like a parkway south to Lincoln Ave and can lean on the history of it once being the Stadium Frwy.

Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.

Quote from: hobsini2 on July 31, 2020, 12:49:02 AM
Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.

They're not Indians. They're not from India.

Quote from: Alps on July 31, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
They're not Indians. They're not from India.

The word "indian" has multiple meanings.  It could mean a person who is a citizen of India; a person who is genetically descended from either such a person or of the larger pre-partition India, regardless of citizenship; a person who is resident in either the East Indies, which are the islands east of India and is not India or the West Indies, which is the Caribbean. 

Or a person genetically related to those persons present in either of the American continents or the Caribbean prior to 1492.

The term "Indian" in said context is used in the Constitution of the United States (Article I, Section 8) and US statute law; the Constitution of Canada (Section 35) and Canadian statute law; and in Spanish by most Latin American countries.  It is a clear word, having a meaning and a legal status in both the USA and Canada. 

Worth noting is an alternative scenario.

Why Central Michigan University's "Chippewas" nickname is OK with the local tribe and the NCAA

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/07/24/central-michigan-chippewas-nickname-saginaw-chippewa-indian-tribe/5488280002/

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The Chippewas' scenario is based on respect for Native Americans and the local Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe.

"The tribe is the one that determines how we use it," CMU President Bob Davies said.  "At any point in time, that can change.  That's the tribe's decision, not necessarily our decision."

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"We address this every time it becomes an issue or somebody brings it up," Tribe spokesman Erik Rodriguez said.  "We even address this in years where it's not being talked about.  We want to make sure both sides are comfortable with it, that they're seeing the positive that comes along with it.  We don't want it to become an issue that it doesn't have to be."

Maybe if more organizations sincerely took this approach it wouldn't be so much of an issue.

I believe Florida State as a similar arrangement with the Seminole tribe.

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 02, 2020, 04:30:53 PM
I believe Florida State as a similar arrangement with the Seminole tribe.

Correct.

Quote from: Alps on July 31, 2020, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on July 31, 2020, 12:49:02 AM
Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.

They're not Indians. They're not from India.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs don't focus on India either.

Quote from: SSOWorld on August 02, 2020, 06:03:02 PM

Quote from: Alps on July 31, 2020, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on July 31, 2020, 12:49:02 AM
Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.

They're not Indians. They're not from India.

The Bureau of Indian Affairs don't focus on India either.

Doesn't make it right.

Most Native American people in Oklahoma don't have an issue with the term "Indian" by itself, for what it's worth. It's used as a self-identifier a fair amount. You'll even see it abbreviated to "NDN" sometimes. What they take issue with is...well, everything else about the branding of the Cleveland Indians.

It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

Quote from: Alps on August 03, 2020, 09:35:40 PM

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

Why don't they just go with Washington Washingtons temporarily?

Quote from: Alps on August 03, 2020, 09:35:40 PM

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

I think a lot of media were referring to them as Washington in the past few years. Side note: when the CFL had a few teams in the States, the team in Baltimore was called the Baltimore Football Club for a while before becoming the Baltimore Stallions.

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Quote from: Alps on August 03, 2020, 09:35:40 PM

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

Why don't they just go with Washington Washingtons temporarily?

It might offend all the people with the last name of Washington out there ;)

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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

Why don't they just go with Washington Washingtons temporarily?

It might offend all the people with the last name of Washington out there ;)

Washington Football Team might be offensive to actual football teams.

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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

I think a lot of media were referring to them as Washington in the past few years. Side note: when the CFL had a few teams in the States, the team in Baltimore was called the Baltimore Football Club for a while before becoming the Baltimore Stallions.

That was a slightly different situation because they had chosen a name–the Baltimore CFL Colts–but the NFL and the Indianapolis Colts obtained an injunction preventing them from using it on trademark infringement grounds. "Stallions" allowed them to use the same logo they had selected for use as the CFL Colts.

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Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 03, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.

I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.

Why don't they just go with Washington Washingtons temporarily?

It might offend all the people with the last name of Washington out there ;)

Washington Football Team might be offensive to actual football teams.

I'd like to report a burn

What I get tired of is the people who want to try to remove the name "Redskins" retroactively. It's completely correct to say, for example, that Darrell Green played his entire NFL career for the Redskins, or that the Redskins won three Super Bowls between 1982 and 1992. If you personally don't want to use the word "Redskins," that's fine, but don't go around purporting to "correct" someone else who doesn't object to it. It would, of course, technically be inaccurate to discuss who the Redskins' quarterback will be this coming season, but that's a different matter from discussing the past. (Sort of like the local NBA franchise. The Bullets won the NBA championship in 1978. They didn't change their name to "Wizards" for many years later, and the name change wasn't retroactive.)

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Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.

They're not Indians. They're not from India.

No African or descendant of is "black" either.

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Quote from: Alps on July 31, 2020, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on July 31, 2020, 12:49:02 AM
Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.

They're not Indians. They're not from India.

No African or descendant of is "black" either.

I mean, whatever it takes to not give an inch right?

As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".

Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".

I can appreciate the decisions of the affected people over what well intentioned whites want to think, so I yield. But yeah, we can do better than naming teams after ethnicities.

I think this season is a stealth marketing trial balloon to unofficially remain the Redskins. People who didn't care about the name will keep calling them the Redskins because "Washington Football Team"  is clunky and awkward. Those who rejected Redskins will keep calling them Washington or "DC team"  or whatever alternatives those people were already using.

Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".

So most Natives don't use the term Indian. And regardless this time exactly a majority rules exercise.

Sounds like a perfect reason to get rid of it.

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Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".

So most Natives don't use the term Indian. And regardless this time exactly a majority rules exercise.

Sounds like a perfect reason to get rid of it.

Also, the term referred to in the study is "American Indian." Nowhere in the study does the term "Indian" stand by itself.

(Here's the study: https://www.census.gov/prod/2/gen/96arc/ivatuck.pdf (https://www.census.gov/prod/2/gen/96arc/ivatuck.pdf))

Also also, that study is 25 YEARS OLD. I'd hardly consider that a current barometer.

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 07, 2020, 05:51:20 AM
So most Natives don't use the term Indian.

Most Indians don't use the term Native.

Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2020, 12:44:14 PM

Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 07, 2020, 05:51:20 AM
So most Natives don't use the term Indian.

Most Indians don't use the term Native.

And they're all wrong because the correct term is "indigenous American."  :D

Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

Quote from: 1 on February 01, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

The Packers have never even discussed renaming Lambeau Field.  They have sold naming rights to various parts of it (ie, the gates), but not the main structure nor the playing field as the fans would not go for that.

Mike

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Quote from: 1 on February 01, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

The Packers have never even discussed renaming Lambeau Field.  They have sold naming rights to various parts of it (ie, the gates), but not the main structure nor the playing field as the fans would not go for that.

Mike

It's not just the fans, its the community being minority owners.  The actually have a say in whether or not the stadium gets renamed. 

Quote from: 1 on February 01, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

I think it's just a matter of getting a location designated a National Historic Landmark and/or on the National Register of Historic Places.  Wrigley Field was just designated a historic landmark, and Fenway is on the NRHP.