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« on: August 29, 2015, 08:18:14 PM »

Surprisingly a general thread for Ohio-related news hasn't been started, so here it is.
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D08/Pages/I-71-MLK-Interchange-Project-Info.aspx
The official MLK Drive Project page from ODOT has a nice timeline for progress on the interchange. I couldn't find any newer information about the project. Anyone have new information on the project's progress?
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2015, 10:19:57 AM »

They are really behind on highway mowing this year because of all that rain in the spring and early summer. Grass and weeds got 4-5 feet tall in some places. Routine mowing is turning into grubbing projects.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2015, 08:41:48 PM »

Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know. I had intended to start a thread for each half, one in each forum, with a map in the first post showing how the state is divided, but I've been too busy.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2015, 09:28:42 PM »

Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know. I had intended to start a thread for each half, one in each forum, with a map in the first post showing how the state is divided, but I've been too busy.
I guess we can make this just be for the Ohio Valley Section of Ohio.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2015, 10:48:41 PM »

Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2015, 04:20:25 AM »

Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.

Watersheds would be more relevant if this were a form about canoeing or riverain biology. I proposed dividing the state along DOT district boundaries, and observed some agreement.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2015, 10:22:37 AM »

I would suggest I-70 as the dividing line.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2015, 07:21:43 PM »


They are really behind on highway mowing this year because of all that rain in the spring and early summer. Grass and weeds got 4-5 feet tall in some places. Routine mowing is turning into grubbing projects.
If I did that, code enforcement would crawl up my ass.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2015, 07:23:20 PM »


I would suggest I-70 as the dividing line.
That divides Columbus, where a fair chunk of posters live, in half. For the record, most of us consider Columbus to be in the Great Lakes area.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2015, 09:43:10 PM »


I would suggest I-70 as the dividing line.
That divides Columbus, where a fair chunk of posters live, in half. For the record, most of us consider Columbus to be in the Great Lakes area.
Indiana has the same problem (I70 through Indy), and most of the generic Indiana stuff seems to float up to the Great Lakes.  I've just gotten used to it. And, yes, I do find stuff from as far south as Evansville up there.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2015, 10:11:58 PM »

Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.

Watersheds would be more relevant if this were a form about canoeing or riverain biology. I proposed dividing the state along DOT district boundaries, and observed some agreement.

Not if you want to be technically correct.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2015, 11:17:42 PM »

Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.

Watersheds would be more relevant if this were a form about canoeing or riverain biology. I proposed dividing the state along DOT district boundaries, and observed some agreement.

Not if you want to be technically correct.
True, but ....
The Ohio River watershed for which this thread's parent is named (to state the obvious), for Indiana, Ohio and Illinois really would leave only a sliver along the shoreline of the lakes for the Great Lakes region.

Also, it seems I've seen this discussion before. :-/

It just gives me twice the postings to look over.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2015, 10:28:07 AM »

Glaciated Ohio vs. Unglaciated Ohio is my vote on the matter.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2015, 04:45:26 AM »

Glaciated Ohio vs. Unglaciated Ohio is my vote on the matter.

I think there's a noticeable cultural division that roughly follows that line of glacial extent, as well. Hunters on one side, farmers on the other…
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 01:36:21 PM »

So I went and made a map:



Regarding why I split the state the way I did, I first proposed this split in this post, and nobody objected at the time.  Since this is a roadgeek forum and we talk mostly about stuff the DOT does, it makes sense to me to divide along DOT district boundaries if we have to divide the state at all.  Within that constraint, I attempted to follow the cultural division, between association with the hills, hunting, and the Ohio River, versus association with farming, the Midwest, and Lake Erie.  I can say that in flat central Ohio, even though our drainage flows south, we tend to associate culturally more with the Midwest and/or the Great Lakes region, compared to the Ohio River Valley.  So here we are.

And I made another thread in the Midwest - Great Lakes forum.

Ballastic, if you don't mind, I think it would be helpful if you edited the first post of this thread to include a clarification that this thread is for the Ohio Valley forum section of the state, and include my map and a link to the other thread.  Just a suggestion.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2015, 09:22:13 PM »

Also, I saw some maps showing Appalachian Ohio counties covered by the Appalachian range where the Ohio river drains with the exception of Hamilton county.
http://www.firstohio.com/images/countymap2.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_Ohio#/media/File:Appalachian_Ohio_Counties.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_region#/media/File:Geographic_regions_ohio.svg
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2015, 01:51:25 PM »

Also, I saw some maps showing Appalachian Ohio counties covered by the Appalachian range where the Ohio river drains with the exception of Hamilton county.
http://www.firstohio.com/images/countymap2.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_Ohio#/media/File:Appalachian_Ohio_Counties.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_region#/media/File:Geographic_regions_ohio.svg

Interesting, but not complete.  Much of the remainder of the state enters the Ohio River through Indiana.  For example, the Wabash River of Indiana fame begins north of I70 in Ohio and trails across Indiana to the south west corner.

Edit: just looked; "exception of Hamilton County" cuts off the Miami River which is a major water shed (barely going to Indiana).
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2015, 01:21:50 AM »

US 23 resurfacing in Pike County is almost complete. That's been annoying, with the lane closures. I suppose all that's left is to carve rumble strips.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2015, 08:23:04 AM »

In my opinion, and I know I've mentioned this before in one of the general forums, it was a mistake for this forum to divide states between regions.  There is a lot of information that applies statewide  and would be best if Ohio remained in one region and not split in two.

Ditto for IN, IL and PA which is split with the Northeast region.

But as the forum has now existed for a number of years, it would be difficult to reorganize all of the old threads to fit in a new nomenclature, so the divisions that exist will remain.

My division would be:

New England
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA
DelMarVa: DE,MD,VA,WV,DC
Southeast: NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN,KY
Mid-south: AR,LA,OK,TX
Midwest: OH,IN,IL,MI,WI
Plains: ND,SD,NE,KS, MO, IA, MN
Mountain West: ID,MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM,NV
Pac Coast: AK,HI,WA,OR,CA

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2015, 03:37:11 PM »

In my opinion, and I know I've mentioned this before in one of the general forums, it was a mistake for this forum to divide states between regions.  There is a lot of information that applies statewide  and would be best if Ohio remained in one region and not split in two.

Ditto for IN, IL and PA which is split with the Northeast region.

But as the forum has now existed for a number of years, it would be difficult to reorganize all of the old threads to fit in a new nomenclature, so the divisions that exist will remain.

My division would be:

New England
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA
DelMarVa: DE,MD,VA,WV,DC
Southeast: NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN,KY
Mid-south: AR,LA,OK,TX
Midwest: OH,IN,IL,MI,WI
Plains: ND,SD,NE,KS, MO, IA, MN
Mountain West: ID,MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM,NV
Pac Coast: AK,HI,WA,OR,CA

"Mid-Atlantic" is a weird thing as well because that is dependent on who you ask. As far as the general definition goes, the heart of the Mid-Atlantic region is Maryland. While we hate Boston, New England issues are more relevant to New York and separating New York from Connecticut would likely result in some of the thread issues we see today over in Ohio and the like, probably more so because you'd be cutting through the immediate New York metro area. I'd combine your mid-Atlantic category with New England under the current "Northeast", but include all of Pennsylvania. Otherwise, I like it.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2015, 03:06:03 PM »

In my opinion, and I know I've mentioned this before in one of the general forums, it was a mistake for this forum to divide states between regions.  There is a lot of information that applies statewide  and would be best if Ohio remained in one region and not split in two.

Ditto for IN, IL and PA which is split with the Northeast region.

But as the forum has now existed for a number of years, it would be difficult to reorganize all of the old threads to fit in a new nomenclature, so the divisions that exist will remain.

My division would be:

New England
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA
DelMarVa: DE,MD,VA,WV,DC
Southeast: NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN,KY
Mid-south: AR,LA,OK,TX
Midwest: OH,IN,IL,MI,WI
Plains: ND,SD,NE,KS, MO, IA, MN
Mountain West: ID,MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM,NV
Pac Coast: AK,HI,WA,OR,CA

"Mid-Atlantic" is a weird thing as well because that is dependent on who you ask. As far as the general definition goes, the heart of the Mid-Atlantic region is Maryland. While we hate Boston, New England issues are more relevant to New York and separating New York from Connecticut would likely result in some of the thread issues we see today over in Ohio and the like, probably more so because you'd be cutting through the immediate New York metro area. I'd combine your mid-Atlantic category with New England under the current "Northeast", but include all of Pennsylvania. Otherwise, I like it.

My main reasoning for splitting NY, NJ, and PA from New England is to keep the number of threads in any one forum about equal.  With the two forums combined, there would be a lot of posts in the Northeast forum (just as there is now). 

Under my scheme the following large metro areas may be divided into more than one forum:

NYC (CT suburbs in New England forum)
Philly (some consider Wilmington DE to be in Greater Philly)
Memphis (AR suburbs are in mid-south)
Louisville (IN is in Midwest)
Cincinnatti (KY is in southeast)
Duluth, MN is in a separate region from Superior, WI
St. Louis (MO is in Plains, IL is in Midwest)

Yet despite these divisions, I still believe it is better to avoid splitting states into two regions.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2015, 03:42:03 PM »

Is there a way for each state's general discussion to appear in each region?  One discussion accessible from multiple regions?
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2015, 11:04:40 PM »

Here's a definition of the Midwest I proposed a few years ago that made it onto Andrew Sullivan's blog:

Germans: On this map of ethnic ancestry from the 2000 census, there’s a broad swath of German-plurality counties starting from central New York, through Pennsylvania stretching westward to the Rockies and beyond. Germans help define the southern border of the Midwest (though stray Finnish, Dutch and African-American counties are certainly Midwestern as well). Germans heavily influenced Midwestern architecture, food, religion, and its devotion to public education.  The “American” cultures of Kentucky and southern Missouri are southern – the accents change, Baptists predominate, and so does the food (it gets better down South, but that’s not Paula Deen’s doing). But not all German areas are Midwestern, so a limit to this is:

Grids. A central man-made feature of the Midwest is its grid pattern, which, thanks to the Land Ordinance of 1785 and Glaciation, stretches from south of Cleveland toward Cincinnati, and then west to the Rockies, defining the eastern and southern borders of the region. There are a few pockets where “queer” roads must follow the hills, such as around Bloomington, Indiana, or Athens, Ohio, or in the Ozarks. Those areas are on the fringes of the Midwest. Driving a Detroit-made sedan or pick-up truck down a straight state highway is a Midwestern rite of passage. So straight roads and flatlands (not Appalachian or Ozark zomias) help define the Midwest. This grid was made possible in part by Glaciation, which covered the land with very fertile soil. So the last characteristic is:

Gardens. (I couldn’t find a better synonym for farms that maintained the alliteration.) Anywhere that farming occurs on a wide scale and without irrigation is Midwestern, which defines the western border from about Joplin, Missouri, northward to Topeka, Lincoln continuing to just west of Fargo. Northern Michigan and Wisconsin are also peripherally Midwestern, and I suspect residents of those regions agree, though I can’t speak to northern Minnesota.

Putting this all together, Germans, Grids and Gardens means the Midwest begins in Downtown Cleveland, south to about Athens, Ohio, then west about Cape Girardeau, Missouri, with a bump up I-55 to St. Louis, and back down I-44 to Joplin, then north to Topeka, Lincoln, west of Fargo, to Canada.

The links are available here:
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/24/where-is-the-midwest-ctd-2/
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2015, 11:07:05 PM »

For the purposes of this discussion, though I would make it easy: Anything south of I-70 is Ohio Valley; Anything north is Midwest. I think that's how the two sections are divided when it comes to posts about Indiana.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2015, 06:00:54 AM »

While I advocated for a different regional split, I understand that it would be difficult for the moderators to go back and reclassify thousands of old posts into different regions.  (And I don't have the time to volunteer for that job).  But this thread leads to the conclusion that the two midwest regions (Great Lakes + Ohio Valley) should probably be combined into one as IL, IN, and OH should probably all be within one region.  PA is in three regions!

If the two regions would be combined, we'd have approx. 24,000 posts in the combined group.  That's still less than the approx. 27,000 posts in Northeast region.  We'd still have states that are split, but it would make things a lot easier.
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