Ohio

[wanderer2575]

They even made the 5 lane portion 60 mph, which I was pleasantly surprised by since it doesn't have a median

That continuous center left turn lane is likely used very rarely (all intersections are with minor township roads at obtuse angles); ODOT apparently decided that was sufficient separation of thru lanes to allow a higher speed limit.

[roadwaywiz95]

With this weekend being a Cincinnati-themed one in the Road Meet department, we'll have a special Cincinnati-themed live event for folks to enjoy this Saturday (5/30) starting at 3 PM ET. It'll feature contributions from members across the road enthusiast community, including members of this forum, and we hope you can join us for what's sure to be an awesome event!

[Buck87]

I see ODOT has a new website layout. Gonna take some getting used to.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

I see ODOT has a new website layout. Gonna take some getting used to.

Experienced it the other night. Unless you want travel data, or want to know ODOT is doing right now, it sucks.

[Stephane Dumas]

I see ODOT has a new website layout. Gonna take some getting used to.

Experienced it the other night. Unless you want travel data, or want to know ODOT is doing right now, it sucks.

Indeed, I prefer the old look. For some nostalgia, here what OH DOT looked back in time.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160616204052/http://www.dot.state.oh.us/pages/home.aspx
https://web.archive.org/web/20090228142321/http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Pages/Home.aspx

And speaking of old memories, I founded by luck this old proposal for I-90 and I-271 who's now stored in the mothballs. Surprising to see they didn't deleted it yet.  https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/otps/110721/sec3.cfm

[6a]

I see ODOT has a new website layout. Gonna take some getting used to.

https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/home/sitemap This helps some.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

Delaware County is rebranding US 23
https://www.delgazette.com/news/84370/us-23-corridorin-county-hasnew-name-logo

And the Ohio State Patrol & ODOT are making a 'Safety Corridor' along I-71 between US 36 and Oh 95
(so no more texting, or photographing me, when you drive by my house along I-71)
https://www.delgazette.com/news/84329/safety-corridor-targets-distracted-drivers

[seicer]

Location: https://goo.gl/maps/MWATiEVo76H7utAU7

SR 32/Brooks Malott Road interchange construction

The proposed project will replace the existing at-grade intersection at state Route 32 and Brooks Malott Road in Mount Orab with a full interchange and provide additional safety upgrades at State Route 32 and Bodman Rd.

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What's the purpose of building a new interchange but then making Brooks Malott Road and Bodman Road right-in intersections? Why not close both intersections?

[Bitmapped]

Location: https://goo.gl/maps/MWATiEVo76H7utAU7

SR 32/Brooks Malott Road interchange construction

The proposed project will replace the existing at-grade intersection at state Route 32 and Brooks Malott Road in Mount Orab with a full interchange and provide additional safety upgrades at State Route 32 and Bodman Rd.

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What's the purpose of building a new interchange but then making Brooks Malott Road and Bodman Road right-in intersections? Why not close both intersections?

Looks like they're trying to avoid making people back-track. I tend to agree, though, if you've got a full interchange nearby and especially if you've restricted access to that extent, just close the intersections.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

Those of you who attended the NE Ohio Roadmeet, back in September 2018, might remember our visit to Vrooman Road and the old bridge, over the Grand River, outside of Painesville, there. Work had just started on the new bridge over the ravine when we visited.
Almost two years later, work on Vrooman Road has progressed that Lake County & ODOT has allowed traffic to use the new bridge, going south, from OH 84 to I-90.
County Engineer webpage for bridge - https://www.lakecountyohio.gov/engineerdept/Projects/VROOMAN-ROAD-BRIDGE
Workzone camera (which has images going back to 2018) for bridge - https://public.workzonecam.com/projects/lakecounty/vroomanroad1/lookingnorthcamera/archive?archiveId=home
Lake County newspaper report on the bridge (from 2 weeks ago) - https://www.news-herald.com/news/vrooman-road-opening-to-southbound-traffic-starting-june-22/article_2dc1f592-b1a4-11ea-9059-87799e60f2a3.html

[GCrites]

That Mercy Health building at the corner has an ER. I bet that's why.

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

(I might cross-post this over in the planning forum)

Recognizing that highways reward some areas and penalize others, the [NE Ohio] region's top transportation planning agency is drafting a policy to quantify whether adding new interchanges to the system would exacerbate historical patterns of inequity.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/07/noaca-policy-on-interchanges-will-address-economic-inequities-in-regional-development-caused-by-interstate-highways.html?fbclid=IwAR06TfQnh9_6Hukfy80riKG-mRpIkrnGBIdv_YDhX1Z1mOHQhVYSyu5LH0k

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

ODOT has discovered (gasp!) the Michigan left.
US 23, between Marion & Upper Sandusky - https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/109362?fbclid=IwAR0anx4zgrIZXr3uwotaRBj_D5wnHUGy9pRwsxi2pjSoUNlAiHzwBOB1e8w

US 35, between Xenia & I-675 - https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/102421?fbclid=IwAR1f5eCd9OgaTImTlE1asIw98HJJDeuxMCBmG25NgSyI0n3LO8QZglWPPus

US 36/Oh 37, between Delaware & I-71 - https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/107214

(Just a reminder, in regards to the projects on US 23 & US 36, ODOT doesn't care(!) about your I-73 fantasies. Just sayin.')

[sparker]

ODOT has discovered (gasp!) the Michigan left.
US 23, between Marion & Upper Sandusky - https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/109362?fbclid=IwAR0anx4zgrIZXr3uwotaRBj_D5wnHUGy9pRwsxi2pjSoUNlAiHzwBOB1e8w

US 35, between Xenia & I-675 - https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/102421?fbclid=IwAR1f5eCd9OgaTImTlE1asIw98HJJDeuxMCBmG25NgSyI0n3LO8QZglWPPus

US 36/Oh 37, between Delaware & I-71 - https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/107214

(Just a reminder, in regards to the projects on US 23 & US 36, ODOT doesn't care(!) about your I-73 fantasies. Just sayin.')

That's OK; those engaging in such fantasies will say that the section of I-73 in that area would probably be on new terrain alignment anyway -- and that what's depicted for the existing facility would make a dandy biz route!

[Buck87]

So I see they changed the control cities for entering US 30 from OH 696 at Beaverdam to Upper Sandusky and Delphos. It used to be Mansfield and Fort Wayne, which to me made a lot more sense for an intersection transferring traffic to US 30 from I-75, but whatever ODOT, you do you.

VS988

[Hot Rod Hootenanny]

So I see they changed the control cities for entering US 30 from OH 696 at Beaverdam to Upper Sandusky and Delphos. It used to be Mansfield and Fort Wayne, which to me made a lot more sense for an intersection transferring traffic to US 30 from I-75, but whatever ODOT, you do you.

VS988

They have?

Taken back on March 22, this year.

[Buck87]

Yes. That sign was gone today.

VS988

[amroad17]

Van Wert, instead of Delphos, may have been more appropriate since it is used on mileage signs as far back as Wooster.  However, I am like Buck87--I prefer Ft. Wayne and Mansfield.

The two control points used on the mileage sign as one drives on the NB 135 ramp from I-75 are Delphos (21) and Upper Sandusky (36)--probably the reason those are used on the new sign, although it should have been Ft. Wayne and Mansfield when the section of US 30 was finished east of Beaverdam.

Are the post interchange and interchange mileage signs going to changed to reflect these new control points?  I do know that the first WB mileage sign lists Delphos (19) and Van Wert (32), however, around 2014, Ohio DOT erected two new interchange mileage signs at OH 65 and OH 115 for Ft. Wayne (60/58) and Mansfield (90/92).  The old one on OH 115 had Delphos (10) and Cairo (3); the old one on OH 65 had Delphos (13) and Beaverdam (8).  If the DOT is spending money and resources erecting those new mileage signs, why would the DOT change the control points at the most important interchange between Ft. Wayne and Mansfield?

The one thing the DOT needs to do is correct the mileages of Ft. Wayne and Mansfield at each interchange--they are mostly wrong.  The two cities are approximately 150 miles apart, not 145, not 136, not 135.  It should be (Ft. Wayne first) 67/83 at OH 696, 74/76 at OH 235, 83/67 at US 68, 90/60 at OH 37, and 99/51 at CR 330/Lincoln Hwy.  However, the DOT could erect new signage using Delphos and Upper Sandusky (maybe without mileages) instead, making my above point moot.

[PurdueBill]

Are Fort Wayne and Mansfield still used at OH 235 entering US 30?  (With the Fort Wayne westbound signage in button copy?  The 1999-era button copy got missed by the sign replacement that went from the state line to the county line just west of there, and there are reflective signs on the 2007-era highway to the east, leaving a couple miles of button copy as of February, the last time I drove through.  Would have made several trips by since if not for COVID.)  If Fort Wayne and Mansfield are OK on OH 235, why not off I-75? 

The party is finally just about over for those backlit signs around that interchange.  The one on the eastbound side of 30 for the 696 left exit (which read only 75) left long ago.  Is the one on westbound Lincoln Highway still there?  Never quite understood why that one had to be there, although before 2007 when I was driving out 30 when I knew I was going to stop at the Speedway station or something, I'd stay on the old road versus turning onto the new one only to have to exit and turn left off the exit, and enough others did the same, so there was some traffic that saw it.  Nowadays I'd be surprised to see it replaced in kind versus just taken down.

From fall 2015, a pic of mine out of a rental car sunroof of the sign, with a little less wear.  Lately it was really starting to show wear.

[6a]

Is there any rationale behind exit numbering on non-interstate freeways? In district 6 things are numbered by the total state mileage. In at least Clark County (district 7) things are numbered by in-county mileage. What gives?

[thenetwork]

Is there any rationale behind exit numbering on non-interstate freeways? In district 6 things are numbered by the total state mileage. In at least Clark County (district 7) things are numbered by in-county mileage. What gives?

Way back when, only interstates in Ohio had exit numbers, and originally they were sequential.  In addition, only the mile markers on interstates were not reset at the county lines.

Sometime in the 70's, exit numbers switched to mileage based.

Traditionally, all non interstate routes in Ohio had mile markers that reflected mileage only within the specific county they traveled thru.

When they first began adding mile markers to exits on the non I- freeways, they used the county mileage.  Then ODOT decided to number the exits based on total state mileage.

Fine and dandy, but on routes that are not totally limited access roads from end to end, you go from resetting county mileages to cumulative milege, and vice versa.

Ohio and ODOT should just once and fornall and go all-in on system-wide mile markers that are based on their points of origin rather than their county mileage -- and use traditional white-on-green mile marker signs like many other states do!

[Bitmapped]

Is there any rationale behind exit numbering on non-interstate freeways? In district 6 things are numbered by the total state mileage. In at least Clark County (district 7) things are numbered by in-county mileage. What gives?

Way back when, only interstates in Ohio had exit numbers, and originally they were sequential.  In addition, only the mile markers on interstates were not reset at the county lines.

Sometime in the 70's, exit numbers switched to mileage based.

Traditionally, all non interstate routes in Ohio had mile markers that reflected mileage only within the specific county they traveled thru.

When they first began adding mile markers to exits on the non I- freeways, they used the county mileage.  Then ODOT decided to number the exits based on total state mileage.

Fine and dandy, but on routes that are not totally limited access roads from end to end, you go from resetting county mileages to cumulative milege, and vice versa.

Ohio and ODOT should just once and fornall and go all-in on system-wide mile markers that are based on their points of origin rather than their county mileage -- and use traditional white-on-green mile marker signs like many other states do!

For exit numbers on non-Interstates, ODOT is adding or changing to signs based on statewide mileage when sign replacement projects occur. An example of a county-to-state conversion occurred around Athens last year. (Athens still has the oddity of US 33 westbound leaving US 50/SR 32 eastbound being signed as the exit with an exit number, even thought the numbers are based on US 33's mileage.)

I doubt ODOT will go to signing state-wide mileage on mile markers system-wide. The white markers are used internally for maintenance and for accident reporting; they're not really intended for public consumption anyway.

[6a]

The reason it popped into my head is Clark County only just recently had exits numbered. That they were done with in-county mileage as opposed to other areas that were numbered earlier seemed weird.

[I-55]

Is there any rationale behind exit numbering on non-interstate freeways? In district 6 things are numbered by the total state mileage. In at least Clark County (district 7) things are numbered by in-county mileage. What gives?

Way back when, only interstates in Ohio had exit numbers, and originally they were sequential.  In addition, only the mile markers on interstates were not reset at the county lines.

Sometime in the 70's, exit numbers switched to mileage based.

Traditionally, all non interstate routes in Ohio had mile markers that reflected mileage only within the specific county they traveled thru.

When they first began adding mile markers to exits on the non I- freeways, they used the county mileage.  Then ODOT decided to number the exits based on total state mileage.

Fine and dandy, but on routes that are not totally limited access roads from end to end, you go from resetting county mileages to cumulative milege, and vice versa.

Ohio and ODOT should just once and fornall and go all-in on system-wide mile markers that are based on their points of origin rather than their county mileage -- and use traditional white-on-green mile marker signs like many other states do!

For exit numbers on non-Interstates, ODOT is adding or changing to signs based on statewide mileage when sign replacement projects occur. An example of a county-to-state conversion occurred around Athens last year. (Athens still has the oddity of US 33 westbound leaving US 50/SR 32 eastbound being signed as the exit with an exit number, even thought the numbers are based on US 33's mileage.)

I doubt ODOT will go to signing state-wide mileage on mile markers system-wide. The white markers are used internally for maintenance and for accident reporting; they're not really intended for public consumption anyway.

For reference, the US-35 freeway in Dayton has had state based mile markers and exit numbers for as long as I can remember (probably back all the way to '08 roughly). The exit numbers have since been extended to the Ross/Fayette county line but past Xenia I think the mile markers are still based by county.

US-24 is on state based mileage from Indiana to I-475 (including exit numbers).

[thenetwork]

Is there any rationale behind exit numbering on non-interstate freeways? In district 6 things are numbered by the total state mileage. In at least Clark County (district 7) things are numbered by in-county mileage. What gives?

Way back when, only interstates in Ohio had exit numbers, and originally they were sequential.  In addition, only the mile markers on interstates were not reset at the county lines.

Sometime in the 70's, exit numbers switched to mileage based.

Traditionally, all non interstate routes in Ohio had mile markers that reflected mileage only within the specific county they traveled thru.

When they first began adding mile markers to exits on the non I- freeways, they used the county mileage.  Then ODOT decided to number the exits based on total state mileage.

Fine and dandy, but on routes that are not totally limited access roads from end to end, you go from resetting county mileages to cumulative milege, and vice versa.

Ohio and ODOT should just once and fornall and go all-in on system-wide mile markers that are based on their points of origin rather than their county mileage -- and use traditional white-on-green mile marker signs like many other states do!

For exit numbers on non-Interstates, ODOT is adding or changing to signs based on statewide mileage when sign replacement projects occur. An example of a county-to-state conversion occurred around Athens last year. (Athens still has the oddity of US 33 westbound leaving US 50/SR 32 eastbound being signed as the exit with an exit number, even thought the numbers are based on US 33's mileage.)

I doubt ODOT will go to signing state-wide mileage on mile markers system-wide. The white markers are used internally for maintenance and for accident reporting; they're not really intended for public consumption anyway.

I'd be fine with keeping the white county mile markers if they went back to the original design which also had the 3-letter county abbreviation and the route number along the top.  They phased those out in the 80s in favor of the generic markers used today. 

Plus, in most states that use state-wide mileage and traditional white-on-green (or blue) mile markers, the signs are larger and more likely to be visible to drivers (should they need to report their location to 911) as well as being more likely the be maintained/replaced when missing.