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Author Topic: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65  (Read 7842 times)

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2020, 11:12:22 PM »

KYTC is simply relying on Congress for the route number instead of AASHTO.  They still have to submit the proper requests and documentation to FHWA to actually sign it as an Interstate.

In short, Congress dictates the route number.  FHWA dictates when it's actually added to the system...which, given precedent including past Congressional numbering action, won't be unless/until the route is up to standard.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2020, 11:27:48 PM »

Does anyone really call the Natcher Parkeay the Green River Parkway?
Probably not, but I've been around since when the Natcher (Green River) was originally built (matter of fact Pennyrile and Audubon as well), and at lot of times I still refer to them by the original name.

Having just rode on the entire length of I-165 between Bowling Green and Owensboro, there are zero signs posted for William H Natcher Pkwy. There are however small guide signs on I-165 indicating that it is the William H Natcher Expressway, but they not consistently posted.

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2020, 07:14:53 AM »

will all the parkways eventually become interstates?

Doubtful. I don't foresee the Mountain Parkway getting an interstate designation. Even with the ongoing four-laning, there will be some substandard exits that really aren't worth spending the money on to bring them up to standards. Plus, I don't think the new four-lane portions fully meet current interstate standards.

And the Daniel Boone Hal Rogers Parkway is a super-2 and they've added at-grades along the route since the tolls were removed, so it's a big "no" for that route.

The signs along the Audubon Parkway designating it as a future I-69 spur have long since been removed.

I would hope they would fix at least some of the interchanges on the Mountain Parkway.  The eastbound on ramp at Exit 22 is dangerous.  I was driving it late on a Friday night about a month ago on the way to a Scout campout and had to move to the left lane sharply when a truck suddenly appeared on my right coming up and on to the freeway...

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2020, 09:09:37 AM »

I'd also prefer making it Interstate 365, since one doesn't exist yet.

and then they could call it I-366 during leap years

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2020, 10:34:49 AM »

I hate that merge also

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2020, 11:45:41 AM »

I'd also prefer making it Interstate 365, since one doesn't exist yet.

and then they could call it I-366 during leap years

:D

But would it have an 85 MPH speed limit?
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2020, 01:29:27 PM »

I'd also prefer making it Interstate 365, since one doesn't exist yet.

and then they could call it I-366 during leap years

:D

But would it have an 85 MPH speed limit?

Only if it passes near an underutilized airport that no one really needs to get to in a hurry!  But in south-central KY?
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2020, 02:59:26 PM »

Can we assume it'll be like 165 in that they will sign it without upgrading the last 'parkway' interchange(s)?  (Is there only one of the Old Style interchanges left on the Cumberland or is it two?  Going from memory here.)

Heh, I wonder if KY can double its pre-I-69 interstate mileage just by promoting parkways. :P
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2020, 05:14:54 PM »

Regardless of whether the Cumberland Parkway becomes a 3-digit Interstate, or remains KY 9008, are there any plans to extend the parkway east of US 27? Or were those plans canceled along with the Interstate 66 proposal?
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2020, 06:36:17 PM »

Can we assume it'll be like 165 in that they will sign it without upgrading the last 'parkway' interchange(s)?  (Is there only one of the Old Style interchanges left on the Cumberland or is it two?  Going from memory here.)

There's still one old parkway interchange left west of Edmonton with KY-80/US-68. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9951397,-85.6515723,14z
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2020, 09:12:32 PM »

Regardless of whether the Cumberland Parkway becomes a 3-digit Interstate, or remains KY 9008, are there any plans to extend the parkway east of US 27? Or were those plans canceled along with the Interstate 66 proposal?

The freeway will at some point be extended to the KY 80/KY 461 intersection. A contract is being let this month to reconstruct that intersection into a grade-separated interchange. For now, the through movement will be 80 east/461 north, or 461 south/80 west. Stubs will be built in the NW quadrant of that interchange to connect to an eventual extension of the Cumberland Parkway.

https://transportation.ky.gov/Construction-Procurement/Proposals/100-PULASKI-20-1305.pdf
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2020, 09:30:46 PM »

Will it utilize much of SR 80 or be built on a new alignment?

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2020, 09:52:07 PM »

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This appears to be the interchange configuration.

The Cumberland Pkwy / I-x65 extension will tie seamlessly into KY-80 east of KY-461, and will be built on new location between KY-461 and US-27.

Any conceptual eastern extension of a freeway-grade facility to I-75 could reasonable be built along the existing alignment, twinning it and constructing overpasses and interchanges where neccasary. The Hal Rogers Pkwy seems to have relatively limited access.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2020, 11:15:11 AM »

At first, I thought this concept was goofy, but the more I thought about it, I realized it makes sense.

Having the KY 461 south/KY 80 west movement (and conversely, the KY 80 east/KY 461 north movement) be the through route allows the "Ohio Navy" to have better access to the KY 914 Somerset bypass and KY 1247 route to get to Lake Cumberland. And presumably, E-W KY 80 traffic that is just passing by Somerset would use the Cumberland Parkway extension that will eventually tie into this.

Right now, if I'm going west on KY 80 and intending to head west on the Cumberland Parkway, I don't take the suggested route of US 27 north from the big traffic light in Somerset. I continue west on the former parkway alignment (now KY 80) and then use the short leg of KY 914 to tie into the new alignment. When this is completed, unless I have reason to be in Somerset, I'll just go straight through this under-construction intersection onto the new Cumberland Parkway extension (which is locally referred to as the northeastern Somerset bypass.)

Interesting note: check out how many bypasses have been built over the last 20 years along the US 68/KY 80/Cumberland Parkway corridor. From west to east, Hopkinsville, Russellville, Glasgow, Columbia, and Somerset. And the Mayfield bypass is nearing completion.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2020, 04:21:17 PM »

Oklahoma still has a few of those bowtie interchanges on the turnpike system.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2020, 07:19:40 PM »

Oklahoma still has a few of those bowtie interchanges on the turnpike system.

I can only think of two of these in KY with no definite plans for reconstruction due to confirmed future interstate upgrades:
* Audubon Parkway Exit 10 at KY 416
* Blue Grass Parkway Exit 34 at KY 55
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2020, 08:41:46 PM »

Having the KY 461 south/KY 80 west movement (and conversely, the KY 80 east/KY 461 north movement) be the through route allows the "Ohio Navy" to have better access to the KY 914 Somerset bypass and KY 1247 route to get to Lake Cumberland.

Ohio Navy?
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2020, 01:02:37 PM »

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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2020, 01:50:41 PM »

Ohio Navy?

It's a "thing".  Years of Ohioans coming down with boats and boathouses and lake homes and vacation rentals on Kentucky's Lake Cumberland... they "invade" with their ''Ohio Navy''...
https://www.facebook.com/officialohionavy/
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This is not to be confused with the actual Ohio state naval reserve/guard unit, the Ohio Naval Militia.  After all, Ohio did see some naval action during the War of 1812, and there were Ohio reservist units from Ohio in later wars...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Naval_Militia
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2020, 04:27:18 PM »

Oklahoma still has a few of those bowtie interchanges on the turnpike system.

I can only think of two of these in KY with no definite plans for reconstruction due to confirmed future interstate upgrades:
* Audubon Parkway Exit 10 at KY 416
* Blue Grass Parkway Exit 34 at KY 55

WK Parkway at US 431/KY 70, BG Parkway at KY 52 (not a bowtie, but a weird folded diamond, and the aforementioned US 68/KY 80 on the Cumberland Parkway. There may be one remaining on the Purchase Parkway near Hopkinsville, but I'm not positive. And there's one on the Purchase between Mayfield and Fulton, but it will be rebuilt as part of I-69.

Already reconstructed: Mountain Parkway at KY 11, BG Parkway at US 127, WK Parkway at KY 259 and also KY 109, Cumberland Parkway at US 127, Pennyrile at KY 56, and one on the Purchase near Benton (I can't remember the intersecting route.)
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2020, 04:28:12 PM »

Having the KY 461 south/KY 80 west movement (and conversely, the KY 80 east/KY 461 north movement) be the through route allows the "Ohio Navy" to have better access to the KY 914 Somerset bypass and KY 1247 route to get to Lake Cumberland.

Ohio Navy?

Someone else explained it. All the Ohio residents who travel down I-75 and exit at Mt. Vernon and use KY 461 to get to Lake Cumberland.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2020, 08:05:19 PM »

Oklahoma still has a few of those bowtie interchanges on the turnpike system.

I can only think of two of these in KY with no definite plans for reconstruction due to confirmed future interstate upgrades:
* Audubon Parkway Exit 10 at KY 416
* Blue Grass Parkway Exit 34 at KY 55

WK Parkway at US 431/KY 70, BG Parkway at KY 52 (not a bowtie, but a weird folded diamond, and the aforementioned US 68/KY 80 on the Cumberland Parkway. There may be one remaining on the Purchase Parkway near Hopkinsville, but I'm not positive. And there's one on the Purchase between Mayfield and Fulton, but it will be rebuilt as part of I-69.

Already reconstructed: Mountain Parkway at KY 11, BG Parkway at US 127, WK Parkway at KY 259 and also KY 109, Cumberland Parkway at US 127, Pennyrile at KY 56, and one on the Purchase near Benton (I can't remember the intersecting route.)

The two that I mentioned are not located on parkways with firm commitments for interstate conversion, so they may stay in their current forms for years to come.  The balance of the Pennyrile and Purchase, and part of the WK from Pennyrile to Natcher, will become interstates, and as such will have to “loosen up and take off their bow ties”, so to speak.

And for some reason, I thought BG Parkway Exit 10 had its ramps fixed so it would be a normal folded diamond, or at least has plans for it.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2020, 08:49:08 PM »

It doesn't mean it won't become I-66 eventually-- after all, I-495 in North Carolina became I-87, and it wouldn't surprise me if the idea of making I-165 be I-67 didn't come around again at some point in the future.
I-63 would be a better number for it.
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Re: Cumberland Parkway: Say "bye" to I-66, "hi" to an I-x65
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2020, 01:06:34 AM »

It doesn't mean it won't become I-66 eventually-- after all, I-495 in North Carolina became I-87, and it wouldn't surprise me if the idea of making I-165 be I-67 didn't come around again at some point in the future.
I-63 would be a better number for it.

As I've iterated previously -- considering the penchant for Owensboro "boosters", prominently including the mayor's office, to pursue marginal Interstate proposals which invariably involved the US 231 bridge and Indiana cooperation that never really materialized -- I'm surprised those folks didn't jump all over I-63 or any other 2di from Bowling Green to Henderson via the parkways + the US 60 bypass.  But the idea of an even 2di in the 40's or 50's continuing from there onto the Cumberland and I-75 is an even more useful approach that actually is grid-appropriate.  Would make a nice western egress from Knoxville and vicinity to, say, St. Louis while avoiding Nashville (and Louisville) traffic chokepoints. 
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