The universe according to MMM

[Max Rockatansky]

Time dilation is easily observed, you can even measure it to small degrees on airplanes.

I think Atomic clocks are a scam. You can't measure billionths of a second. There is no physical reason why the flow of time would slow down due to speed or acceleration. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's just a mathematical representation of perception. It's not like fewer seconds are actually passing for you.

What else do you think are scams?

[MultiMillionMiler]

Not saying it's an intentional scam, but the fact that they think a difference in the billionth or trillions of a second difference in clock measurements are the result of some magical time stretching/squeezing just from moving, and not just a margin of error with the clocks is hard to believe. If they really wanted to test this, send a probe at extremely high speed toward the sun and have it orbit the sun for a few years very close to it, this way the gravity increase, extreme speed, and long duration of the mission could maybe push the dilation effect into actually visible amounts, like several seconds..etc, but there is no way to know whether millionths, billionths, let alone trillionths of a second are from a relativistic effect or simply clocks not being absolutely perfect. Even if atomic clocks are supposedly based on atom vibrations...etc, the electrical systems that display how much time passed aren't going to be that accurate. The engineering isn't at the atomic level, so they end up being just regular clocks. There is also no physical explanation of why this would be, even if mathematically it is possible. Mathematical physics also say a positron is indistinguishable from an electron traveling backward in time, but that doesn't mean it is, or there is any reason to believe this is so. Same thing with time squeezing.

[Max Rockatansky]

For a scam to exist there must be an intent to defraud.  By saying you believe Atomic Clocks are a scam by default you are also inferring you believe they are false by intentional act. 

So I ask again, what other scams are out there that us plebeians are too feeble minded to see?

[GaryV]

MMM, anything else in the theory of relativity that you are more well versed on than people like Einstein, Heisenberg, Hawking ...

[Max Rockatansky]

MMM, anything else in the theory of relativity that you are more well versed on than people like Einstein, Heisenberg, Hawking ...

I think MMM is suggesting that physics as we know it is part of the Dinophile conspiracy and therefore a scam.

[Max Rockatansky]

We could test this out.  We'll have you cross the Event Horizon of a Black Hole and communicate back to us if you see time dilation. 

[kphoger]

What else do you think are scams?

The lunar landing, radon, autism, farsightedness, the Exodus, and the Chicago—Kansas City Expressway.   

[Max Rockatansky]

What else do you think are scams?

The lunar landing, radon, autism, farsightedness, the Exodus, and the Chicago—Kansas City Expressway.   

Just one for me:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/652193852063501/?ref=share&mibextid=S66gvF

[kphoger]

I, for one, would definitely love to watch a debate between MultiDozenMiler and Immanuel Kant.

[CtrlAltDel]

I, for one, would definitely love to watch a debate between MultiDozenMiler and Immanuel Kant.

I can just imagine the growing exasperation in Kant's voice.

Time dilation is easily observed, you can even measure it to small degrees on airplanes.

I think Atomic clocks are a scam. You can't measure billionths of a second. There is no physical reason why the flow of time would slow down due to speed or acceleration. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's just a mathematical representation of perception. It's not like fewer seconds are actually passing for you.

Through the efforts of many scientists and engineers, time is probably the thing that humanity can measure best. The smallest interval of time measured is in the range of zeptoseconds, which are one trillionths of a nanosecond. It's really quite impressive, which is interesting I think because no one has yet really been able to give a good definition of time is.

[MultiMillionMiler]

We could test this out.  We'll have you cross the Event Horizon of a Black Hole and communicate back to us if you see time dilation.

Black holes are another example, no physical evidence, just theories, and even the math starts getting fucked up when dealing with singularities. We went to the moon, but that's not hard to believe. Although it is a little funny that we spent all that engineering effort just to land on a rock, one that may very well be of Earth origin anyway! What is hard to believe, is that somehow firing a rocket engine to get there could make time "flow" differently for you. They act like time is a substance that permeates space and not a physical measurement of duration.

[Max Rockatansky]

We could test this out.  We'll have you cross the Event Horizon of a Black Hole and communicate back to us if you see time dilation.

Black holes are another example, no physical evidence, just theories, and even the math starts getting fucked up when dealing with singularities. We went to the moon, but that's not hard to believe. Although it is a little funny that we spent all that engineering effort just to land on a rock, one that may very well be of Earth origin anyway! What is hard to believe, is that somehow firing a rocket engine to get there could make time "flow" differently for you. They act like time is a substance that permeates space and not a physical measurement of duration.

Then man up then and show those "Black Holes"  who's boss.  What's the worst that can happen?

[Max Rockatansky]

Then presumably you don't merge with your killer robot minion in the depths of Hell.

[abefroman329]

What else do you think are scams?

The lunar landing, radon, autism, farsightedness, the Exodus, and the Chicago—Kansas City Expressway.   

Just one for me:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/652193852063501/?ref=share&mibextid=S66gvF

Can we make this it's own thread?

My contribution: MLMs. Every single one.

[Scott5114]

I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.

[kphoger]

I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.

You have too much faith in humanity.  (Has anyone ever accused you of that before?)

[Scott5114]

I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.

You have too much faith in humanity.  (Has anyone ever accused you of that before?)

Fourteen years of customer service has shown me that no matter how much faith I have in humanity, it's too much.

[Max Rockatansky]

I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.

Then you'd live in the bad future where the 23 day streak broken by the TNG made it to a more popular thread and spread across the whole forum.

[Max Rockatansky]

Star Trek has a disorder level of sex in it. Even in the time travel episodes people can't keep their pants on the 1st night. Like you fucking time traveled for the first time in your life and that's all you can think about? It's a joke.

Says the guy who's gone into semi-intimate detail on a road forum regarding wanking 2-3 days a day in the past.  Is there not some inherent level hypocrisy in having such a vocal distaste for anything sexual in Star Trek media?

[MultiMillionMiler]

Nah, because some of that is star treks fault. I never said 2-3x a day, I said once every 2-3 days, which is still addiction level. Star Trek is literally the most sexualized science fiction show ever written, without good reason.

[kphoger]

Like you fucking time traveled

Actually, it's like they time traveling fucked...

[TheHighwayMan3561]

Like you fucking time traveled

Actually, it's like they time traveling fucked...

At least none of them became their own grandfather like Philip J. Fry did...

[Max Rockatansky]

^^^

I would be surprised if there was a porno called "Fucking Time Travel."

Nah, because some of that is star treks fault. I never said 2-3x a day, I said once every 2-3 days, which is still addiction level. Star Trek is literally the most sexualized science fiction show ever written, without good reason.

But as an "addict"  who has recently fallen off the wagon, what makes your opinion regarding sexualized content on a TV show meaningful?  Is not preaching about activity you engage in not the pot calling the kettle black?

[Scott5114]

More to the point, if you think the show is too sexualized, why do you keep watching it?

[vdeane]

I know time travel isn't possible because, if it was, someone would have gone back in time to stop this thread from being created.

Technically, it's possible, but illegal per Goddess Standard Law and enforced by the Goddesses themselves through their knowledge and technological bans which prevent mortals from even conceiving of things they're not supposed to know about, as well as their powers blocking any backwards movement through time (unless Nysra decides to allow an exception for whatever reason, but that would have to be a very extraordinary circumstance; she personally hates time travel and the complications it creates, which is why it's banned in the first place).