Intrastate U.S. Highways

[bugo]

Highways like US 154 and 156 should have been allowed to remain because they were important roads connecting other US highways. US 154 is now part of the worthless US 400 but US 154 should have never been removed in the first place. US 383 was another victim of KDOT's jihad against intrastate US routes.

[hobsini2]

US 110 used to exist in Wisconsin back in the 1920s as a 40 mile long intrastate US highway. That became Wisconsin 110 in 1939 up until about 10-15 years ago when US 45 was reroute on to it from Oshkosh to US 10. Wis 110 is now just a 2 lane road from US 10 in Fremont to US 45 in Marion. That's the only example I can think of in Wisconsin history.

[usends]

US 110...[is]...the only example I can think of in Wisconsin history.

There was also US 118...
http://usends.com/10-19/118/118.html
...but again, the entire list is here:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10190

[CNGL-Leudimin]

I like how US 72 has both ends in TN, yet is not an intrastate US route as it goes through MS and AL .

[ekt8750]

The only intrastate US highways that I know off-hand are US 92, US 192, US 290, US 57, US 181 and US 175.

US 130 in NJ and it really should be a state highway.

Can we get rid of all intrastate INTERSTATE highways that are less than 300 miles in length? That would free up a ton of numbers.

Case and point I-97 should be a 3di of 95. You'd have to run it over 695 to connect it to 95 but there's no need to waste 97 on such a short freeway.

[CNGL-Leudimin]

At one point I-97 was going to have a 3di of its own (Either I-197 or I-297, IIRC one of them was going to be longer than its parent!), but now that it is not the case anymore I think it should be I-995.

[froggie]

US 130 in NJ and it really should be a state highway.

I disagree.  It's an important enough route that NJDOT and FHWA put most of it on the National Highway System.

Case and point I-97 should be a 3di of 95. You'd have to run it over 695 to connect it to 95 but there's no need to waste 97 on such a short freeway.

Minor nitpick:  the proper term is case-in-point.  And it wouldn't necessarily have to run along 695.  There's precedent elsewhere (I-980 CA, I-990 NY, I-190 MA, amongst others) of a 3di connecting only to another 3di of the same parent.  In this case, replacing I-97 with I-995, I-995 would connect with I-695.

At one point I-97 was going to have a 3di of its own (Either I-197 or I-297, IIRC one of them was going to be longer than its parent!),

In the initial plan from the late 70s, both I-197 AND I-297 would have existed.  I-297 would have followed MD 3 between 50/301 and I-97/MD 32, while I-197 would have followed 50/301 from I-97 east into Annapolis, ending at MD 70.  Neither would have been longer than I-97.

[Jim]

I know it's been discussed elsewhere, and I've probably commented in those places, but I don't understand the opposition, individual or by policy, against intrastate US or Interstate highways.  It's the importance to the system overall that I want used to judge a road's worthiness to carry a number in one of these national grids.  I'm sure we could (and likely have) come up with lists of US and Interstate highways entirely within a single state that are integral parts of the system overall, state routes that deserve an "upgrade" into the US or Interstate system, and US and Interstate routes that happen to cross a state border or two that should carry only state designations.

[hotdogPi]

US 201 is intrastate (in Maine), but only because Quebec is part of Canada (and is not willing to renumber QC 173). It would definitely be a single route if the land was all in one country.

Advantages to extending US 201 along QC 173 (or just US/QC 201 as a single route):

1. The numbers match up across the border.
2. No longer an intrastate US route, as it is in both a state and a province.
3. US/QC 201 has a larger most populous city (Lévis, more populous than any city in Maine).

Disadvantages:

1. Current QC 201 would need to be renumbered.
2. Autoroute 73 would no longer have a meaningful number.

[bugo]

I know it's been discussed elsewhere, and I've probably commented in those places, but I don't understand the opposition, individual or by policy, against intrastate US or Interstate highways.  It's the importance to the system overall that I want used to judge a road's worthiness to carry a number in one of these national grids.  I'm sure we could (and likely have) come up with lists of US and Interstate highways entirely within a single state that are integral parts of the system overall, state routes that deserve an "upgrade" into the US or Interstate system, and US and Interstate routes that happen to cross a state border or two that should carry only state designations.

+1

This is sort of what I was getting at re: US 154 and 156.

US 266 is another example, although not nearly as important these days with I-40 running parallel to it. US 266 connected US 64 to US 66, providing a major link on the Amarillo-Ft Smith highway. It was cut back in favor of US 62, but its importance as part of the system was not diminished.

[ftballfan]

US-223 is basically an intrastate US highway as it only runs about a mile in Ohio that's entirely concurrent with US-23. Heck, US-223 is close to being an intracounty US highway

[roadman65]

US-223 is basically an intrastate US highway as it only runs about a mile in Ohio that's entirely concurrent with US-23. Heck, US-223 is close to being an intracounty US highway

US 206 is just barley inside PA as it was truncated from its parent years ago, but it is still considered a two state roadway even though less than half a mile.

[NE2]

US 206 is just barley inside PA

I thought the Goat Path was the only barley road in PA.

[bugo]

US 206 is just barley inside PA

I thought the Goat Path was the only barley road in PA.

You're thinking of Barley Camp.

[national highway 1]

US 206 is just barley inside PA

I thought the Goat Path was the only barley road in PA.

*barely

[CNGL-Leudimin]

The champion in that is surely US 166. It escapes the threat of being deleted due to that AASHTO policy thanks to the quarter of mile it has in MO.

[sandiaman]

US 166 must be another barley road.

[CentralPAGal]

This was all part of a purge with US 111, US 230, US 309, and US 611 as all of these were intrastate minus US 111 that at least entered Maryland.

I'm pretty sure US 111 was eliminated because I-83 made it a redundant designation, not because it was too short or intrastate (which it has been established that it was not). Also as a side note, I seem to recall reading that US 230 once (about 6 million years ago) went into MD, probably along present US 222, before being truncated to Lancaster.

[democraticnole]

Can we get rid of all intrastate INTERSTATE highways that are less than 300 miles in length? That would free up a ton of numbers.

So long, I-45....

As well as I-4 in Florida. That would probably be pretty tough to do.

[kkt]

Can we get rid of all intrastate INTERSTATE highways that are less than 300 miles in length? That would free up a ton of numbers.

So long, I-45....

As well as I-4 in Florida. That would probably be pretty tough to do.

Goodbye, I-4; hello, I-495.

[iBallasticwolf2]

How about interstate US routes less than 300 miles in length be decommisioned? I'm looking at you, US 730.

[Bickendan]

How about interstate US routes less than 300 miles in length be decommisioned? I'm looking at you, US 730.

Not intrastate.

[hotdogPi]

How about interstate US routes less than 300 miles in length be decommisioned? I'm looking at you, US 730.

Not intrastate.

He's saying that any U.S. route under 300 miles should be removed (This includes 3 and 44...)
US 5 barely survives it.

[iBallasticwolf2]

How about interstate US routes less than 300 miles in length be decommisioned? I'm looking at you, US 730.

Not intrastate.

He's saying that any U.S. route under 300 miles should be removed (This includes 3 and 44...)
US 5 barely survives it.

Yes

[jwolfer]

The only intrastate US highways that I know off-hand are US 92, US 192, US 290, US 57, US 181 and US 175.

US 130 in NJ and it really should be a state highway.

Can we get rid of all intrastate INTERSTATE highways that are less than 300 miles in length? That would free up a ton of numbers.

Case and point I-97 should be a 3di of 95. You'd have to run it over 695 to connect it to 95 but there's no need to waste 97 on such a short freeway.

Extend 301 across Delaware memorial bridge and change 130 to 301.. Problem solved and let's 301 terminate at its parent