North Carolina

[74/171FAN]

I saw on I-40 at the US 70 and 401 interchange that new WB/ NB omit the US routes into the city as well as NC 50.

Is US 70 being realigned again?

This is leftover signage from when the routes followed the beltline around the city.

The same signage is up on I-40 EB but if you look at the 2007 GMSV there is an additional BGS.  For some reason NCDOT has never changed the BGS for S Saunders ST into downtown.  Not too good since these routes were removed from I-40 in 1991!

For some reason, I thought that the shields were there when I drove through here daily during my NCDOT internship, but I guess I was wrong. 

[Dirt Roads]

I saw on I-40 at the US 70 and 401 interchange that new WB/ NB omit the US routes into the city as well as NC 50.

Is US 70 being realigned again?

This is leftover signage from when the routes followed the beltline around the city.

The same signage is up on I-40 EB but if you look at the 2007 GMSV there is an additional BGS.  For some reason NCDOT has never changed the BGS for S Saunders ST into downtown.  Not too good since these routes were removed from I-40 in 1991!

For some reason, I thought that the shields were there when I drove through here daily during my NCDOT internship, but I guess I was wrong.

Your memory is not all wrong.  The overhead BGS have no shields for South Saunders Street NORTH (Exit 298B) and US-70/US-401/NC-50 shields for South Saunders Street SOUTH (Exit 298A).  Those are side-by-side in advance of the exit (in both directions).  It is amusing to see the directionals twice (both street name and compass direction).

[bob7374]

I saw on I-40 at the US 70 and 401 interchange that new WB/ NB omit the US routes into the city as well as NC 50.

Is US 70 being realigned again?

This is leftover signage from when the routes followed the beltline around the city.

The same signage is up on I-40 EB but if you look at the 2007 GMSV there is an additional BGS.  For some reason NCDOT has never changed the BGS for S Saunders ST into downtown.  Not too good since these routes were removed from I-40 in 1991!

For some reason, I thought that the shields were there when I drove through here daily during my NCDOT internship, but I guess I was wrong.

Your memory is not all wrong.  The overhead BGS have no shields for South Saunders Street NORTH (Exit 298B) and US-70/US-401/NC-50 shields for South Saunders Street SOUTH (Exit 298A).  Those are side-by-side in advance of the exit (in both directions).  It is amusing to see the directionals twice (both street name and compass direction).

Apparently during the Fortify project when the signs were replaced NCDOT told the contractors simply to replace the overheads as they were, possibly forgetting about the outdated signs for North South Saunders Street. At least they bothered to put back the US 70/401 and NC 50 trailblazers on I-40 East taken down during the project, I never remembered seeing any WB.

[kendallhart808]

I saw on I-40 at the US 70 and 401 interchange that new WB/ NB omit the US routes into the city as well as NC 50.

Is US 70 being realigned again?

This is leftover signage from when the routes followed the beltline around the city.

The same signage is up on I-40 EB but if you look at the 2007 GMSV there is an additional BGS.  For some reason NCDOT has never changed the BGS for S Saunders ST into downtown.  Not too good since these routes were removed from I-40 in 1991!

For some reason, I thought that the shields were there when I drove through here daily during my NCDOT internship, but I guess I was wrong.

Your memory is not all wrong.  The overhead BGS have no shields for South Saunders Street NORTH (Exit 298B) and US-70/US-401/NC-50 shields for South Saunders Street SOUTH (Exit 298A).  Those are side-by-side in advance of the exit (in both directions).  It is amusing to see the directionals twice (both street name and compass direction).

Apparently during the Fortify project when the signs were replaced NCDOT told the contractors simply to replace the overheads as they were, possibly forgetting about the outdated signs for North South Saunders Street. At least they bothered to put back the US 70/401 and NC 50 trailblazers on I-40 East taken down during the project, I never remembered seeing any WB.

I've always thought that it could be something to do about trying to prevent thru traffic and truck traffic particularly from taking a route through downtown. US 70/401 looks like a more appealing thru route than South Saunders Street imho.

[wdcrft63]

I saw on I-40 at the US 70 and 401 interchange that new WB/ NB omit the US routes into the city as well as NC 50.

Is US 70 being realigned again?

This is leftover signage from when the routes followed the beltline around the city.

The same signage is up on I-40 EB but if you look at the 2007 GMSV there is an additional BGS.  For some reason NCDOT has never changed the BGS for S Saunders ST into downtown.  Not too good since these routes were removed from I-40 in 1991!

For some reason, I thought that the shields were there when I drove through here daily during my NCDOT internship, but I guess I was wrong.

Your memory is not all wrong.  The overhead BGS have no shields for South Saunders Street NORTH (Exit 298B) and US-70/US-401/NC-50 shields for South Saunders Street SOUTH (Exit 298A).  Those are side-by-side in advance of the exit (in both directions).  It is amusing to see the directionals twice (both street name and compass direction).

Apparently during the Fortify project when the signs were replaced NCDOT told the contractors simply to replace the overheads as they were, possibly forgetting about the outdated signs for North South Saunders Street. At least they bothered to put back the US 70/401 and NC 50 trailblazers on I-40 East taken down during the project, I never remembered seeing any WB.

I've always thought that it could be something to do about trying to prevent thru traffic and truck traffic particularly from taking a route through downtown. US 70/401 looks like a more appealing thru route than South Saunders Street imho.

Truckers are not going to be lured off an interstate that easily. I support routing some primary routes through cities because this helps folks unfamiliar with the area find their way.

[roadman65]

Considering that US 70 east of Raleigh is freeway defaulting into I-40 and soon NC 540 no one heading through Raleigh is going to drive US 70 the entire way.  So why not place it back on the interstates or make NC 540 the new US 70. Being US 301 is tolled in Delaware, this could now be a thing for US 70.  Then extend US 70 Business from Smithfield to replace it to I-540 at the Triangle.

[wdcrft63]

Considering that US 70 east of Raleigh is freeway defaulting into I-40 and soon NC 540 no one heading through Raleigh is going to drive US 70 the entire way.  So why not place it back on the interstates or make NC 540 the new US 70. Being US 301 is tolled in Delaware, this could now be a thing for US 70.  Then extend US 70 Business from Smithfield to replace it to I-540 at the Triangle.

Routing US 70 along interstates doesn't really help anyone going anywhere. Although I live in Durham I'm going to defend downtown Raleigh. Lots of people want to go there. It's the state capital, so it has all the state offices. It has the North Carolina History Museum, the North Carolina Natural Science Museum, and three higher education institutions. US 70 leads people to those destinations and it should stay exactly where it is.

[sprjus4]

Plus the idea works better to keep the US routings on their original routings, and have the freeway routings be separate numbers.

NCDOT is planning on re-routing US-264 off of the freeway and back onto its original alignment once I-587 is designated, for example.

NC-540 is best left a sole beltway routing / designation, not multiplexed with other routes. Look at the cluster that Indianapolis' I-465 is.

[tolbs17]

Plus the idea works better to keep the US routings on their original routings, and have the freeway routings be separate numbers.

NCDOT is planning on re-routing US-264 off of the freeway and back onto its original alignment once I-587 is designated, for example.

NC-540 is best left a sole beltway routing / designation, not multiplexed with other routes. Look at the cluster that Indianapolis' I-465 is.

First line: Agree with that. So it's not clusterfucked with so many numbers on one routing.

Second line: Are there any official plans or documents rather than some random roadgeek saying that US-264 will be moved back onto its original alignment without providing a news article or a link to it?

Third line: Again, also agree.

[sprjus4]

Second line: Are there any official plans or documents rather than some random roadgeek saying that US-264 will be moved back onto its original alignment without providing a news article or a link to it?

I reached out to NCDOT a few weeks ago in regards of I-587 and what might happen to US 264. I got a response today that they are indeed planning to submit a rerouting to US 264 and a elimination of US 264 ALT in the AASHTO Fall Meeting. They were even kind enough to share the draft files they plan to use in the upcoming meeting.

In the requests, they will relocate US 264 along existing US 264 Alt from Exit 51 south through Saratoga and Farmville, then in Greenville it will connect onto NC 11 Bypass north, a total of 26.43 miles relocation; that section of US 264 Alt will be eliminated.

The timeline after that depends on other factors, but they hope to have I-587 and US 264 signage done in 2022.

[The Ghostbuster]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

[sprjus4]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

https://www.wilsonedc.com/Images/wilsonedc/site/brochures/Flyer_Wilson_TheCampusat587.pdf

And I-587 would not be marked on Google Maps because it has not been sign-posted yet. It won't be until 2022.

[tolbs17]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

https://www.wilsonedc.com/Images/wilsonedc/site/brochures/Flyer_Wilson_TheCampusat587.pdf

And I-587 would not be marked on Google Maps because it has not been sign-posted yet. It won't be until 2022.

It's nice to see that development is happening to the highway!

[LM117]

Annual toll rate increase for the Triangle Expressway and Monroe Expressway goes into effect Jan. 1.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2021/2021-12-22-annual-toll-rate-increase-jan1.aspx

[tolbs17]

And as I can see, it has to do with budgeting issues so they want to increase the toll fees. Also, they DID plan to toll I-95 but that plan is officially dead and won't happen.

[sprjus4]

And as I can see, it has to do with budgeting issues so they want to increase the toll fees. Also, they DID plan to toll I-95 but that plan is officially dead and won't happen.

The toll increases were planned from the beginning of the roads being constructed.

[The Ghostbuster]

If the plan to toll Interstate 95 had gone forward, I would have supported converting the rest areas into "food and fuel" service areas.

[plain]

If the plan to toll Interstate 95 had gone forward, I would have supported converting the rest areas into "food and fuel" service areas.

I doubt they would've been converted to service plazas. They're still on an interstate and it's well after 1960.

[tolbs17]

If the plan to toll Interstate 95 had gone forward, I would have supported converting the rest areas into "food and fuel" service areas.

I doubt they would've been converted to service plazas. They're still on an interstate and it's well after 1960.

At least you are not stranded like you are on the New Jersey Turnpike.

[ran4sh]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

https://www.wilsonedc.com/Images/wilsonedc/site/brochures/Flyer_Wilson_TheCampusat587.pdf

And I-587 would not be marked on Google Maps because it has not been sign-posted yet. It won't be until 2022.

Those things aren't related, Google is known for marking route designations that are not posted in the field or before they are posted (e.g. I-69 in Houston)

[sprjus4]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

https://www.wilsonedc.com/Images/wilsonedc/site/brochures/Flyer_Wilson_TheCampusat587.pdf

And I-587 would not be marked on Google Maps because it has not been sign-posted yet. It won't be until 2022.

Those things aren't related, Google is known for marking route designations that are not posted in the field or before they are posted (e.g. I-69 in Houston)

I-69 is sign-posted in Houston. It has been for years now.

[ARMOURERERIC]

There have been 2 sets of mainline bridges reconstructed on I-40 in Burke County in recent years.  Does anyone know if the were built in a manner to allow easy expansion to 6 lanes?

[ran4sh]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

https://www.wilsonedc.com/Images/wilsonedc/site/brochures/Flyer_Wilson_TheCampusat587.pdf

And I-587 would not be marked on Google Maps because it has not been sign-posted yet. It won't be until 2022.

Those things aren't related, Google is known for marking route designations that are not posted in the field or before they are posted (e.g. I-69 in Houston)

I-69 is sign-posted in Houston. It has been for years now.

I was referring to how Google Maps had I-69 on its map in the early 2010s (about 2010 or 2011) but it wasn't until the mid to late 2010s (about 2017 or 2018) that I-69 signs were actually posted.

Could do the same thing here

[CanesFan27]

Google Maps doesn't mark Interstate 587 on its maps yet, but I did find something interesting just south of Exit 49 (NC 58). In the middle of what seems to be vacant land, there is something called "The Campus at 587": https://www.google.com/maps/@35.672606,-77.8508316,1878m/data=!3m1!1e3. Is this a real place, and is it in any way related to the fact that the US 264 freeway will soon become Interstate 587?

It's a business park owned by Wilson County.  They just recently awarded an infrastructure improvement project (sewage/wastewater) for the property this past October.  The name is after 587 but I believe Wilson County has had this land for some time.

https://www.wilsonedc.com/Images/wilsonedc/site/brochures/Flyer_Wilson_TheCampusat587.pdf

[roadman65]

On Rand McNallys 2021 edition, they show NC 295 as I-295 even though no signs at the Eastover End from I-95.

I wonder also will Parkton be a control city when the south end exchange opens?  Right now you must exit NB at US 301 near St. Paul or SB at NC 59 to US 301 south. With the I-295 loop completed, I would assume that it would be the direct way to that particular city.