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Title: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
QuoteBoth COVID threads had a lock reason saying they were temporary. Neither one has been reopened.

It's been a while since both of those threads were posted in, I think that they deserve to get another shot.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
I think if we all stay civil and don't resort to personal insults it's fine. There were some good debates on them, but the mods shut them down.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
I think if we all stay civil and don't resort to personal insults it's fine. There were some good debates on them, but the mods shut them down.

They won't stay civil. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
I think if we all stay civil and don't resort to personal insults it's fine. There were some good debates on them, but the mods shut them down.

They won't stay civil.
Maybe we have separate definitions of civil. I am a fan of disagreeing and arguing with people with different viewpoints, it's fun.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: vdeane on July 19, 2021, 10:08:56 PM
Given the no politics rule (which seems to be more strictly enforced as of late; some stuff in the Thruway thread was removed and it was road-adjacent enough that I was surprised it was nuked) and how political just about everything with COVID has become, I would not expect the mods to ever reopen those threads.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 10:11:30 PM
I normally am happy with the mods but they have been very remove-heavy lately which is pretty annoying, with the Thruway thread and even the bedroom discussion in the FritzOwl thread.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Rothman on July 19, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
Hear, hear.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
I think if we all stay civil and don't resort to personal insults it's fine. There were some good debates on them, but the mods shut them down.

They won't stay civil.
Maybe we have separate definitions of civil. I am a fan of disagreeing and arguing with people with different viewpoints, it's fun.

I like to think that I was one of the more neutral and level headed posters in those COVID threads.  That being the case the following was directed at me:

-  I was told my wife hates humanity because she wants a child and was hesitant to get vaccinated because she wants to get pregnant.
-  I was also told my wife wants to the pandemic go on and wants people to suffer because she was hesitant to get a vaccine.  (Worth noting; my wife is a health care worker)
-  In the original thread I was told that I was selfish and didn't care about others because I didn't "enjoy"  wearing a mask. 

Now I'm just the tip of the iceberg with those threads.  Perhaps we can discuss COVID in our private lives or even in a work setting, but we have failed miserably here as a group in doing so. Why do we need another COVID thread after both failed so spectacularly? 

It probably is worth noting that most of us (one way or another) have started to move on and resume normalcy in our lives.  In fact, one of the largest road meets in a very long time was just held out east.  We should be talking about things like that and not more COVID topics.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 11:07:23 PM
I much rather listen to the soundtrack of Crazybus than another COVID thread:

Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Scott5114 on July 19, 2021, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
I think if we all stay civil and don't resort to personal insults it's fine. There were some good debates on them, but the mods shut them down.

That's the big if, isn't it? Given that we had to delete 48 posts from the main covid thread due to incivility...

Furthermore, if you want to argue with people about covid, why must that be a service this forum provides? Is there no other website that would allow that? What about a real-world forum like a city council meeting? (You might really enjoy city council meetings if you like arguing with people about random topics.)

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 10:11:30 PM
I normally am happy with the mods but they have been very remove-heavy lately which is pretty annoying, with the Thruway thread and even the bedroom discussion in the FritzOwl thread.

There have been 8 post-removal occurrences since July 1. There were 10 in June and 15 in May. (I am counting each string of several posts removed at one time from one thread as one occurrence.) So if anything we're about on par for where we were last month and less remove-heavy than in May.

Quote from: vdeane on July 19, 2021, 10:08:56 PM
Given the no politics rule (which seems to be more strictly enforced as of late; some stuff in the Thruway thread was removed and it was road-adjacent enough that I was surprised it was nuked) and how political just about everything with COVID has become, I would not expect the mods to ever reopen those threads.

The posts removed from the Thruway thread were primarily about how the owners of a certain mediocre chicken restaurant choose to spend their money advancing certain political goals. While that has some impact on said mediocre chicken restaurant being chosen (or not) as a Thruway vendor, it was off-topic and political enough that a moderator chose to remove those posts. (I actually went back and found a few that were removed in error and restored them. It was my pleasure.)
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 11:55:01 PM
Although a lot of the post-removal instances had up to several pages removed. I do think that covid discussion might not fit super well on the forum.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: NE2 on July 20, 2021, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
QuoteBoth COVID threads had a lock reason saying they were temporary. Neither one has been reopened.

It's been a while since both of those threads were posted in, I think that they deserve to get another shot.

Only if everyone who posts in it also gets a shot.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2021, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
QuoteBoth COVID threads had a lock reason saying they were temporary. Neither one has been reopened.

It's been a while since both of those threads were posted in, I think that they deserve to get another shot.

Only if everyone who posts in it also gets a shot.

a shot of what
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 01:36:14 AM
Seems like a good idea to know who is vaccinated and not.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: NE2 on July 20, 2021, 01:56:43 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2021, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
QuoteBoth COVID threads had a lock reason saying they were temporary. Neither one has been reopened.

It's been a while since both of those threads were posted in, I think that they deserve to get another shot.

Only if everyone who posts in it also gets a shot.

a shot of what
A shot from the corcock
Title: Re: Reopening the coronavirus threads
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on July 20, 2021, 05:55:43 AM
I'm receiving my first shot in a few moments and due to those threads being locked I have no place to vent about that in this forum (except maybe the "Minor things that DON'T bother you" thread). Seeing the vaccination stats here in Spain the wait has been worth.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: index on July 20, 2021, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 19, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
I think if we all stay civil and don't resort to personal insults it's fine. There were some good debates on them, but the mods shut them down.

They won’t stay civil.
Maybe we have separate definitions of civil. I am a fan of disagreeing and arguing with people with different viewpoints, it's fun.

I like to think that I was one of the more neutral and level headed posters in those COVID threads.  That being the case the following was directed at me:

-  I was told my wife hates humanity because she wants a child and was hesitant to get vaccinated because she wants to get pregnant.
-  I was also told my wife wants to the pandemic go on and wants people to suffer because she was hesitant to get a vaccine.  (Worth noting; my wife is a health care worker)
-  In the original thread I was told that I was selfish and didn’t care about others because I didn’t “enjoy” wearing a mask. 

It seems the vast majority of people have absolutely no nuance or reason when it comes to this topic. You either enjoy hunkering down in your home for weeks on end and you love putting on a full-body suit every time you go outside, and only for bare essentials, or you're a selfish asshole who thinks the pandemic isn't an issue, to one side. To the other side, you either swim in toxic waste, believe the vaccine is full of micro-aliens, and sneeze directly into other people's mouths while ignoring all public health advice, or you're an authoritarian who wants to see the government take control of everything and turn into a Hollywood portrayal of a communist dictatorship,

I remember visiting Western North Carolina during the pandemic and getting absolutely death-stared in some settings for wearing a mask as if I just microwaved a puppy. I have also been called a variety of colorful political slurs by somebody I was in a chat room with for traveling during the pandemic. To the mountains. To sight-see. An activity that famously involves no other people.

Everybody has become so high on moral righteousness and thinking they're better than everyone else with this event and for what reason?
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 20, 2021, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: vdeane on July 19, 2021, 10:08:56 PM
Given the no politics rule (which seems to be more strictly enforced as of late; some stuff in the Thruway thread was removed and it was road-adjacent enough that I was surprised it was nuked) and how political just about everything with COVID has become, I would not expect the mods to ever reopen those threads.

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.  These threads are not worth recovering.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: hotdogPi on July 20, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
(as if this is the third thread – please keep it civil, because we know what happened to the first two)

What's causing cases in Massachusetts to be rising the third fastest of the fifty states? It's one of the top vaccinated states (as is Vermont, which is rising fourth fastest). While it's rising from a very low basepoint, I'm still really worried. What's even stranger is that it varies by state despite the states being so small in area – New Hampshire and Maine are rising slowly (no state is decreasing), and this was also true for Connecticut until about a week ago.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 20, 2021, 10:03:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on July 19, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
Hear, hear.

Thirded. I would peak at them, but I kept my thoughts out because they were such a mess. The virus is entirely political at this point, whether you like it or not, so I do not think it warrants a spot on this forum.

And honestly, I'm sick and tired of even hearing about it. I'm annoyed with hearing people tell me to "stay safe" working in grocery, even if it is well-meaning. So having more of that around here does not appeal to me.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on July 20, 2021, 10:03:03 AM
Quote from: Rothman on July 19, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
Hear, hear.

Thirded. I would peak at them, but I kept my thoughts out because they were such a mess. The virus is entirely political at this point, whether you like it or not, so I do not think it warrants a spot on this forum.

And honestly, I'm sick and tired of even hearing about it. I'm annoyed with hearing people tell me to "stay safe" working in grocery, even if it is well-meaning. So having more of that around here does not appeal to me.

As an aside the whole modern advent of "safety culture"  might be interesting to discuss. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
(as if this is the third thread – please keep it civil, because we know what happened to the first two)

What's causing cases in Massachusetts to be rising the third fastest of the fifty states? It's one of the top vaccinated states (as is Vermont, which is rising fourth fastest). While it's rising from a very low basepoint, I'm still really worried. What's even stranger is that it varies by state despite the states being so small in area – New Hampshire and Maine are rising slowly (no state is decreasing), and this was also true for Connecticut until about a week ago.
Delta is spreading, we should peak lower than the other states.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
When my son and I were interviewed by the local TV station upon coming out of a vaccination clinic a few months ago, I had no place to link to the video on here, because all the COVID threads had been locked.




Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 10:58:50 PM
-  I was told my wife hates humanity because she wants a child and was hesitant to get vaccinated because she wants to get pregnant.

Consider the source.




Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2021, 01:23:52 AM
Only if everyone who posts in it also gets a shot.

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 01:36:14 AM
Seems like a good idea to know who is vaccinated and not.

H.B. and I both identify as vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:56 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 01:36:14 AM
Seems like a good idea to know who is vaccinated and not.

Why? What are you going to do with that information? As far as I know you can't transmit coronaviruses through the internet. (If you could, I'd be doubly protected, by Pfizer and Linux.) Could potentially be relevant if you went to a road meet, but if you care enough about covid to want to know, you'd probably be either vaccinated yourself (in which case it doesn't matter to you very much whether everyone else is) or would decide to stay home (because you can't guarantee everyone at the roadmeet is telling the truth about whether they're vaccinated or not).
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 03:14:14 PM




Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 10:58:50 PM
-  I was told my wife hates humanity because she wants a child and was hesitant to get vaccinated because she wants to get pregnant.

Consider the source.




Quote from: NE2 on July 20, 2021, 01:23:52 AM
Only if everyone who posts in it also gets a shot.

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 01:36:14 AM

I did, I have no reason to believe "that person"  wouldn't be sitting in wait to derail another thread if someone's opinion didn't align fully with their world views. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: renegade on July 20, 2021, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
Those who feel the need to 'discuss' this and 'document' that are certainly free to do so on 'social media.'

In other words, take that shit over to Fakebook.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
Quote from: renegade on July 20, 2021, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 19, 2021, 09:54:16 PM
Keep them buried and dead I say, they always ended up as a cluster fuck by the time they were locked.
Those who feel the need to 'discuss' this and 'document' that are certainly free to do so on 'social media.'

In other words, take that shit over to Fakebook.

Which is where most of the conversation here migrated anyways.  In fact the last time I talked about a COVID topic was with the Roadwaywiz group chat. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
So, if I'm following correctly, this is just the new covid thread, right?
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
So, if I'm following correctly, this is just the new covid thread, right?

I wouldn't say so, nobody is really discussing anything current like the previous two threads.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
So, if I'm following correctly, this is just the new covid thread, right?

I wouldn't say so, nobody is really discussing anything current like the previous two threads.

I can't say I agree. For example:

Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
What's causing cases in Massachusetts to be rising the third fastest of the fifty states? It's one of the top vaccinated states (as is Vermont, which is rising fourth fastest). While it's rising from a very low basepoint, I'm still really worried. What's even stranger is that it varies by state despite the states being so small in area – New Hampshire and Maine are rising slowly (no state is decreasing), and this was also true for Connecticut until about a week ago.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:01:12 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
So, if I'm following correctly, this is just the new covid thread, right?
I guess.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:56 PM

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 01:36:14 AM
Seems like a good idea to know who is vaccinated and not.

Why? What are you going to do with that information?

Kind of like those 'VACCINATED!' stickers I could have gotten after receiving the shot.  Why the heck would I want one of those?  Why would I want to go around telling people that?
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
So, if I'm following correctly, this is just the new covid thread, right?

I wouldn't say so, nobody is really discussing anything current like the previous two threads.

I can't say I agree. For example:

Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
What's causing cases in Massachusetts to be rising the third fastest of the fifty states? It's one of the top vaccinated states (as is Vermont, which is rising fourth fastest). While it's rising from a very low basepoint, I'm still really worried. What's even stranger is that it varies by state despite the states being so small in area – New Hampshire and Maine are rising slowly (no state is decreasing), and this was also true for Connecticut until about a week ago.

One post replies isn't really a true discussion though.  Really all that is been consistently discussed is if the previous threads should be reopened and the reasonings. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:10:43 PM
I'm less informed since the threads were locked, but I'm also a happier person.  That probably also has to do with my having gotten rid of my smartphone, so I'm not watching or reading politics anymore either.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 20, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
So, if I'm following correctly, this is just the new covid thread, right?

I wouldn’t say so, nobody is really discussing anything current like the previous two threads.

I can't say I agree. For example:

Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
What's causing cases in Massachusetts to be rising the third fastest of the fifty states? It's one of the top vaccinated states (as is Vermont, which is rising fourth fastest). While it's rising from a very low basepoint, I'm still really worried. What's even stranger is that it varies by state despite the states being so small in area — New Hampshire and Maine are rising slowly (no state is decreasing), and this was also true for Connecticut until about a week ago.

One post replies isn’t really a true discussion though.  Really all that is been consistently discussed is if the previous threads should be reopened and the reasonings.

It's not like that's the only one, though. And even if it were, it's unlikely it would stay that way.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:32:13 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 03:18:56 PM

Quote from: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 01:36:14 AM
Seems like a good idea to know who is vaccinated and not.

Why? What are you going to do with that information?

Kind of like those 'VACCINATED!' stickers I could have gotten after receiving the shot.  Why the heck would I want one of those?  Why would I want to go around telling people that?
I agree with the concept of the sticker, but a sticker is not going to cut it for proof of vaccination.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:32:13 PM
I agree with the concept of the sticker

And what is that concept?

Why should I care if the people around me know my vaccination status?
I didn't get vaccinated for how it would influence other people's feelings.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: hotdogPi on July 20, 2021, 04:54:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:32:13 PM
I agree with the concept of the sticker

And what is that concept?

Why should I care if the people around me know my vaccination status?
I didn't get vaccinated for how it would influence other people's feelings.

Many places here say masks required unless fully vaccinated. That said, since stickers only last one day, many people without stickers are vaccinated, and those with stickers haven't gone through the two-week period.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:32:13 PM
I agree with the concept of the sticker

And what is that concept?

Why should I care if the people around me know my vaccination status?
I didn't get vaccinated for how it would influence other people's feelings.
You might not care, but businesses and other establishments could very well care. A sticker is not the best way though, I support vaccine passports.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 04:54:34 PM
Many places here say masks required unless fully vaccinated. That said, since stickers only last one day, many people without stickers are vaccinated, and those with stickers haven't gone through the two-week period.

Considering that I could just buy a 'VACCINATED!' sticker online, regardless of my vaccination status, I don't see what good they do.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
You might not care, but businesses and other establishments could very well care. A sticker is not the best way though, I support vaccine passports.

Are the stickers even supposed to be equivalent to a passport?  I see them as analogous to the 'I GAVE BLOOD TODAY!' stickers:  a posturing device intended to inform everyone else what a good person the wearer is and to guilt-trip them into doing likewise.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Scott5114 on July 20, 2021, 06:08:53 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:32:13 PM
I agree with the concept of the sticker

And what is that concept?

Why should I care if the people around me know my vaccination status?
I didn't get vaccinated for how it would influence other people's feelings.

I got one for my first vaccination in Ada back in the spring, and wore it around town when we went to hang out with my wife's grandma afterward. I figured if someone saw it and hadn't heard that they had started doing covid vaccinations in Ada, or that they had just become available for younger people, it could lead them to look into it and get themselves a vaccination. I didn't bother getting a sticker for my second dose two weeks later, and were I getting a vaccination now, I wouldn't get one, because by this point everyone should know that covid vaccines are generally available should they want to get one.

Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 04:10:43 PM
I'm less informed since the threads were locked, but I'm also a happier person.  That probably also has to do with my having gotten rid of my smartphone, so I'm not watching or reading politics anymore either.

Eh, I don't know about that. There was a lot of stuff that was being posted in the first covid thread in 2020 that was outright wrong. One of the reasons that I was uncomfortable with us keeping the thread open was that I felt somewhat responsible if someone got wrong info from our forum and based a consequential decision on it (I know that legally Section 230 protections would mean the forum/its staff wouldn't be legally liable, but I would feel morally responsible).
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 06:13:04 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 04:54:34 PM
Many places here say masks required unless fully vaccinated. That said, since stickers only last one day, many people without stickers are vaccinated, and those with stickers haven't gone through the two-week period.

Considering that I could just buy a 'VACCINATED!' sticker online, regardless of my vaccination status, I don't see what good they do.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
You might not care, but businesses and other establishments could very well care. A sticker is not the best way though, I support vaccine passports.

Are the stickers even supposed to be equivalent to a passport?  I see them as analogous to the 'I GAVE BLOOD TODAY!' stickers:  a posturing device intended to inform everyone else what a good person the wearer is and to guilt-trip them into doing likewise.

Funny, my wife wants me to put her "I donate X amount of blood"  plate holder on her car.  I told her I'll do it if she gets me 52 of the 13.1 window stickers for last year. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 20, 2021, 04:54:34 PM
Many places here say masks required unless fully vaccinated. That said, since stickers only last one day, many people without stickers are vaccinated, and those with stickers haven't gone through the two-week period.

Considering that I could just buy a 'VACCINATED!' sticker online, regardless of my vaccination status, I don't see what good they do.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
You might not care, but businesses and other establishments could very well care. A sticker is not the best way though, I support vaccine passports.

Are the stickers even supposed to be equivalent to a passport?  I see them as analogous to the 'I GAVE BLOOD TODAY!' stickers:  a posturing device intended to inform everyone else what a good person the wearer is and to guilt-trip them into doing likewise.
Not stickers, but I was talking about some sort of vaccine passport.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: dlsterner on July 20, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
What is the relevance with a sticker?  It does not indicate anything one way or another.  To me, they are analogous to the "I voted" stickers they sometimes hand out at polling places.  Some people wear them, some people toss them.

When I got my shots, nobody handed me a sticker either time.  Only proof I have is the index card.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 20, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
What is the relevance with a sticker?  It does not indicate anything one way or another.  To me, they are analogous to the "I voted" stickers they sometimes hand out at polling places.  Some people wear them, some people toss them.

When I got my shots, nobody handed me a sticker either time.  Only proof I have is the index card.
The stickers are not stupid, but they aren't super important.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 08:10:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 20, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
What is the relevance with a sticker?  It does not indicate anything one way or another.  To me, they are analogous to the "I voted" stickers they sometimes hand out at polling places.  Some people wear them, some people toss them.

When I got my shots, nobody handed me a sticker either time.  Only proof I have is the index card.
The stickers are not stupid, but they aren't super important.
agree
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 08:15:48 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 08:10:51 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 08:08:45 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 20, 2021, 08:05:17 PM
What is the relevance with a sticker?  It does not indicate anything one way or another.  To me, they are analogous to the "I voted" stickers they sometimes hand out at polling places.  Some people wear them, some people toss them.

When I got my shots, nobody handed me a sticker either time.  Only proof I have is the index card.
The stickers are not stupid, but they aren't super important.
agree

They usually only excite naive people or the young.  Most people aren't going to be motivated by someone else wearing a sticker for anything. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Rothman on July 20, 2021, 08:20:02 PM
My limited edition NY State Fair vaccination sticker is collectible.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 20, 2021, 08:32:12 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 20, 2021, 08:20:02 PM
My limited edition NY State Fair vaccination sticker is collectible.

They didn't give us anything on base (aside the stock CDC card) as a potential collectors item.  I figure if my wife is nostalgic I can just hand all the masks she made in the garage. 
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: ozarkman417 on July 20, 2021, 08:37:20 PM
On the topic of stickers, the hospital I visit frequently visit uses stickers to show employees that visitors have gone through the temperature check & symptom questioning at the entrance. These stickers are incredibly generic, and I doubt that staff even look at the stickers. Most likely, they assume that visitors have done the temp check because its at the entrance, and it would be basically impossible for someone to sneak by unnoticed.

I visit the hospital frequently because it has a gym. In my mind, a few of the COVID policies enforced by the hospital are a bit overkill (in the gym, at least). As for the rest of the hospital, it only makes since to keep security tight when SW Missouri is possibly the worst area in the country when it comes to COVID, with a 40% vaccination rate. Specifically, the gym does not allow spotting a fellow lifter because that would not be proper physical distancing. If you ask me, getting crushed by at LEAST 50 pounds of metal may do more damage than COVID in most people.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: hbelkins on July 20, 2021, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 20, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
When my son and I were interviewed by the local TV station upon coming out of a vaccination clinic a few months ago, I had no place to link to the video on here, because all the COVID threads had been locked.

Isn't there a "roadgeeks on TV" thread somewhere around here?

Concerning stickers, I'm not sure what the point is, just as I'm not sure what the point of "I voted" stickers is. I suppose they're a novelty; they were given out for years in many places but our precincts only started giving them out a scant couple of years ago.

If you're looking to a sticker as proof of vaccination (see Roadgeekteen's advocacy for requiring the shot to participate in life's activities) -- well, a little online research will yield a PDF file of a blank covid vaccination card (the original host site got taken down but it's archived on the Wayback Machine), along with instructions on how to fill it out. What one does with that information and a pack of card stock, a pair of scissors, and a collection of vaccination card images gleaned from all those people who were gleefully posting pictures on social media and the information contained on those images, is up to them.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Alps on July 20, 2021, 09:34:11 PM
another shot :D
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: tolbs17 on July 20, 2021, 09:35:17 PM
Looks like we already have a COVID thread started...
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 20, 2021, 10:09:45 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSYToBto.png&hash=0f218de666c82bac1775b4751ed3c6378008bfea)

(I didn't make this, I don't know who the original creator of it is, sorry)
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 10:12:02 PM
Don't lock pls
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2021, 11:51:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
I support vaccine passports.

So, you're saying we should create second class citizens who can't get the shot due to other medical reasons?  Not smart IMO.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Rothman on July 20, 2021, 11:52:51 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2021, 11:51:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
I support vaccine passports.

So, you're saying we should create second class citizens who can't get the shot due to other medical reasons?  Not smart IMO.
Eh, they can be identified as such through the same documentation.
Title: Re: Reopening the covid threads
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 21, 2021, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2021, 11:51:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 20, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
I support vaccine passports.

So, you're saying we should create second class citizens who can't get the shot due to other medical reasons?  Not smart IMO.
They can carry a separate medical card.