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ctsignguy

Quote from: Central Avenue on August 30, 2012, 04:55:00 AM
Quote from: xonhulu on August 30, 2012, 02:39:58 AM
How exactly do the orange K-47's fit in this thread?  I've seen plenty of situations where they use an orange version of a route shield to indicate a detour or construction zone. 

I will grant you that the first two photos with the white directional banner look a little odd, but that's pretty minor, imo.  I'd be willing consider them unusual or interesting, but unless the detour they're indicating is wrong, they're hardly "erroneous."


It seems different people here have different definitions of what constitutes an "erroneous" sign. Personally, I'm with you; I only consider a sign erroneous if the information it's presenting is incorrect or misleading, but it seems others consider design errors and standards violations to be "erroneous" as well. (Though the latter have a dedicated thread now, in any event.)

Quote from: Scott5114 on August 30, 2012, 02:40:40 AM
Could be that these are the exact same signs being reused in different work zones.

Ah, hadn't considered that.

I'm reminded of that US 32 [sic] sign with the Helvetica "2" that ODOT seems to pull out every time they need a temporary OH 32 shield.

You mean this one?

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PHLBOS

#1776
While this one could be open for debate, it clearly is erroneous in the eyes of MUTCD.

BGS for PA 534 exit along I-80 westbound near Hickory Run
EXIT 274
534
Hickory Run
State Park
EXIT 2 MILES


Note: the BGS in question is a fairly new (Control destinations are in Clearview font) so one can safely rule out any notion that the BGS predated any exit numbering assignments (i.e. the now-long-gone 70s-era BGS along I-95 between Peabody and Newburyport, MA).

It's worth noting that the 1 mile approach BGS for this exit is correct and does not have the word EXIT in it twice.
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Scott5114

There was an instance of an Ohio 400 shield being posted...on US-400...in Kansas.
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Central Avenue

Quote from: ibagli on September 08, 2012, 06:04:45 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on August 30, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
No, it's the entire United States that was supposed to detour there.  (I know the Ohio shield is based on the shape of the state, but it looks too much like the U.S. shield for my tastes.)

You're not the only one who thinks that.

On a similar note, I spotted an OH 62 shield on US 62 WB near New Albany. I didn't get a picture because it was dark when I went past...

Quote from: ctsignguy on September 08, 2012, 06:35:36 AM
Quote from: Central Avenue on August 30, 2012, 04:55:00 AM
I'm reminded of that US 32 [sic] sign with the Helvetica "2" that ODOT seems to pull out every time they need a temporary OH 32 shield.

You mean this one?



Yes, that's the one! *shudder*
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Takumi

I'm guessing (hoping, really) that it was originally a US 33 shield that was eventually, um, altered.
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ctsignguy

Quote from: Takumi on September 08, 2012, 06:22:29 PM
I'm guessing (hoping, really) that it was originally a US 33 shield that was eventually, um, altered.

Actually, that was an original US 35 shield.....that was.....mutated.....
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Central Avenue

I figured that's what it was, but I can't decide if that makes it better or that much worse...
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cpzilliacus

#1782
"Error 404" (no, not that error) on westbound Del. 404 just north of Bridgeville, Sussex County.

In addition to the error U.S. shield, the "JCT" is also in error, since the Bridgeville Bypass is Del. 404. 

Sorry for the flash  - it was getting late and the rain was starting (again).



Before the Bypass was built, Bridgeville was notorious as a speed trap for motorists headed between metropolitan Washington and Baltimore and the Delaware Atlantic Ocean resorts (especially Rehoboth Beach and Dewey Beach).  I've always preferred the beaches in Ocean City, Maryland and Virginia Beach, Virginia, so I have seldom come this way - but about 10 years ago, I had reason to drive through Bridgeville (before the bypass was complete) one June evening and had an unmarked white Ford Crown Vic police sedan roar out of a side street (nearly crashing into the driver that was following me) and get behind me, apparently hoping I would exceed the 25 MPH posted limit, and I decided to give the cop a little payback, by not driving over 20 MPH until I was safely out of his jurisdiction.  Looking in my mirrors, I could see the Bridgeville officer getting visibly agitated at my poky pace, but what was he going to do?
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vtk

Not only is it incorrect to use a US outline, but they used the 2-digit shape stretched out to 3-digit proportions.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

apeman33

Quote from: Scott5114 on September 08, 2012, 04:16:50 PM
There was an instance of an Ohio 400 shield being posted...on US-400...in Kansas.

I took photos of them. They were put on the bypass around Parsons when it first opened. The first time I saw them, I didn't have my camera. And they were there long enough that I had a second chance to get them on film a month later while I was driving to Coffeyville to cover a basketball game for the paper I work for (at that time, we practically never ran color, so that's why I shot the pics with black-and-white film).


Those were at U.S. 400 and 32nd St (as Parsons calls it)/Ness Road (as Labette County calls it). There were at least two other sets of them.
(You've got a pretty good memory; I posted them to the Yahoo Central Roads group in 2003.)

Brandon

^^ To be honest, I have always thought the Ohio state route shied looks very much like a US route shield.  From a distance, they're harder to tell apart.
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NE2

Wisconsin is much closer.

And Alabama is a sideways Massachusetts.
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vtk

Also, Missouri is Georgia.  And Georgia is Misouri.

And Ohio is a pair of underwear.


Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

formulanone

Well, now that you've said it, I think a stretched Ohio shield appears very much like a soggy diaper.

(Xkcd is being extremely family-friendly with Florida though.)

vtk

Quote from: formulanone on September 09, 2012, 02:54:51 PM
(Xkcd is being extremely family-friendly with Florida though.)

Apparently you didn't see the hover-over text: "That eggplant is in something of a flaccid state."
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

Michael

Here's Steve's pic of DE 404:


Closer to my neck of the woods is NY 404.  I linked to the page since there's multiple error shields.

In Oswego, as of a few years ago there was this US 104 shield on Lake St at West 1st St (again, from Steve):

The shield was too new to be one leftover from the redesignation of US 104.  I took a picture of it myself, but I can't find it.

formulanone

Upside down in Falfurrias, Texas along the construction on US 281:


digitalphiltv

One of the best ones was FDOT (Archer Western Contractors) in Pensacola, FL, after Hurricane Ivan. The Escambia Bay Bridge replacement caused an overweight/oversize truck detour. Signs posted were supposed to read "RESTRICTION/OVERWEIGHT/OVERSIZED/TRUCKS EASTBOUND" ... One of the signs posted at US-29 read "RESTRICTINO" (sic)... the typo was obviously never going to be fixed because it was a temporary need, inside a federal disaster area...FEMA directly paid for the emergency bridge replacement, if I remember correctly. I snapped a photo of this, but there is NO telling what I did with the lousy thing, I have had SEVERAL hard drive failures since then.

US-29 is also signed FL-29 erroneously in MANY places. This breaks Florida's State Road Re-numbering system... I believe the 1950's was when they renumbered everything... FL-29 would be a North/South road in the Eastern part of the State someplace. US-29 was actually SR-95 (And the old US-29 running next to it, Escambia County Road 95A...)

Ian

^^ Those upside down signal ahead signs seem to be all but uncommon, especially in construction zones. Here's another one up in Jersey City, NJ about a year ago.

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mcdonaat

Don't have any photos at the moment, but La 415's intersection with Spur La 415, US 190, and La 987-3 is messed up. Northbound on La 415, you see two different North La 415 signs, one on what is actually Spur La 415, and another on the true LA 415 North. Southbound on La 415, you see a BGS for South La 415, but the road is actually Spur La 415 (the proper BGS should say TO 415 South). Stay southbound on La 415, and you'll see that to get to La 987-3, you turn left, or you can turn right, although the actual 987-3 is to the right. Continue down La 415 South, and you'll get to a sign that says 987-3 to the left (the road loops under 415), but even though the road is signed as East 987-3, it's Spur 987-3. The true 987-3 is signed as Spur La 987-3. Confusing? Here's some photos from Google Maps Streetview (they'll have to do).

LA 987-3 to the right... http://goo.gl/maps/cZ0na
...and to the left. http://goo.gl/maps/YxPJ7
Turn right to get to North LA 415... http://goo.gl/maps/HxY6h
..but wait, you can go straight to get to North LA 415. http://goo.gl/maps/1SYRY
LA 987-3 about to junction Spur LA 987-3... http://goo.gl/maps/BaML8
...but LA 987-3 Spur is actually the whole road. http://goo.gl/maps/7ovB0
Spur LA 987-3... http://goo.gl/maps/SxJdF
... but remember the double arrow Spur? That's wrong, the whole road is LA 987-3. http://goo.gl/maps/z6wDY
http://goo.gl/maps/P9q5D shows us that Spur LA 987-3 is to the right. LaDOTD maps show LA 987-3 turning to the right, with the spur straight ahead.

Keep in mind this is all in the same parish. Apparently, mainline US routes can be north-south. http://goo.gl/maps/CDkBa
Bypass routes still exist, 50 years after decommissioning - http://goo.gl/maps/aEymb
LA 3246 can be West... http://goo.gl/maps/d3E58
...and north/south. http://goo.gl/maps/X5Aoe
LA 3064 can be east/west..http://goo.gl/maps/4Yfyn
...and north/south. http://goo.gl/maps/TpKlN

Also just for fun... US 425 patch over the defunct LA 137. http://goo.gl/maps/5q1Jh
However, it still appears cosigned on the highway. http://goo.gl/maps/oHloa

bassoon1986

Quote from: mcdonaat on September 11, 2012, 07:06:48 PM
Also just for fun... US 425 patch over the defunct LA 137. http://goo.gl/maps/5q1Jh
However, it still appears cosigned on the highway. http://goo.gl/maps/oHloa

Ugh, that used to bug me to no end. They left the original LA 137 exit sign up for years after US 425 was present, then when it was "fixed", they left 137 out when it's still cosigned. But there are many other Louisiana interstate exits that don't show the signed highway or cosigned highway.

Ex: I-20-
Exit 19B Traffic St (LA 72)
Exit 22 Airline Dr (LA 3105)
Exit 23 Industrial Drive (LA 782-2)
Exit 85 Ruston (shows US 167, but not US 63 or LA 146)


I-49:
Exit 86 now shows LA 28 one direction in additon to US 165 and US 167, but not both
Exit 27 Lebeau, LA 10 is present but not LA 182

I-10:
Exit 157B  Acadian Thruway (LA 427)

mcdonaat

Quote from: bassoon1986 on September 12, 2012, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: mcdonaat on September 11, 2012, 07:06:48 PM
Also just for fun... US 425 patch over the defunct LA 137. http://goo.gl/maps/5q1Jh
However, it still appears cosigned on the highway. http://goo.gl/maps/oHloa

Ugh, that used to bug me to no end. They left the original LA 137 exit sign up for years after US 425 was present, then when it was "fixed", they left 137 out when it's still cosigned. But there are many other Louisiana interstate exits that don't show the signed highway or cosigned highway.

Ex: I-20-
Exit 19B Traffic St (LA 72)
Exit 22 Airline Dr (LA 3105)
Exit 23 Industrial Drive (LA 782-2)
Exit 85 Ruston (shows US 167, but not US 63 or LA 146)


I-49:
Exit 86 now shows LA 28 one direction in additon to US 165 and US 167, but not both
Exit 27 Lebeau, LA 10 is present but not LA 182

I-10:
Exit 157B  Acadian Thruway (LA 427)
I-20:
Exit 38 Goodwill Road (PR 117)
Exit 108 Cheniere (LA 15 is at the same intersection as US 80/LA 546)
Exit 112 Well Road (LA 3249)

I-49:
Exit 132 LA 478 (PR 620 not signed)

Not exactly erroneous, but a lack of detail. Mods, can we get a topic spun off with these two posts for highways that are unsigned at exits?

hbelkins

Ohio signs in Kansas.

Alabama signs in Massachusetts.

Pennsylvania signs in West Virginia.

Other examples that we know of?


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cpzilliacus

Quote from: hbelkins on September 13, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
Ohio signs in Kansas.

Alabama signs in Massachusetts.

Pennsylvania signs in West Virginia.

Other examples that we know of?

Not a sign, but there is a TV commercial that is running  in the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore TV markets for a waterfront resort in Calvert County, Maryland (western shore of the Chesapeake Bay) which prominently features Md. Route 4 (that's the "main street" of Calvert County).  Only problem - it uses a Virginia shield for Md. 4.
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agentsteel53

Quote from: hbelkins on September 13, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
Ohio signs in Kansas.

Alabama signs in Massachusetts.

Pennsylvania signs in West Virginia.

Other examples that we know of?

I remember someone mentioning a Pennsylvania keystone 31 on US-31 in Michigan. 
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