Erroneous road signs

[spooky]

Is the sign on the left saying that the CA 85 exit, being described by the sign on the right, a left lane exit...but the exit tab being on the right side of the sign indicating a right-hand exit?

I assume it's an HOV-only exit on the left and a separate general purpose exit on the right?

[Kniwt]

I assume it's an HOV-only exit on the left and a separate general purpose exit on the right?

That's correct. And it's also correct about the crappy sign design. These are fairly new installations (as seen by the fairly-recent-in-California shift to "HOV 2+" instead of "CARPOOLS").

[Mergingtraffic]

There is no RI-152 in this area. There was supposed to be but this expressway was supposed to be the US-44 expressway as well.  RIDOT never changed the sign.

[WNYroadgeek]

Apparently US 48 got extended northeastward to Oswego (and US 104 got revived, though those shields look old enough to be remnants from when NY 104 actually was US 104): http://goo.gl/maps/H3Ztu

[amroad17]

Apparently US 48 got extended northeastward to Oswego (and US 104 got revived, though those shields look old enough to be remnants from when NY 104 actually was US 104): http://goo.gl/maps/H3Ztu

The END US 48 sign looks like a new installation.  There used to be an END NY 48 sign at that location before.  The US 104 signs have been there forever.  Those signs were never changed when US 104 became NY 104.

[myosh_tino]

The exit number is wrong and appears to be the exit number for the north 101/85 junction way up in Mountain View.

It's not the first time Caltrans did this.  The 1st Street advance guide sign on southbound I-880 is signed as exit 389 which is the exit number for the 1st Street exit on US 101.  The correct exit number should be 4A.

US 101 north, just south of San Jose, taken today:

Ugh, what a horribly laid out pair of signs... especially the use of a small shield on the main sign and large shield on the HOV sign.  I might take this to the Redesign This thread in the Road-Related Illustrations board.

FWIW, here's what those signs originally looked like...

[pctech]

CA. sure sets the bar for ugly freeway signs! Maybe one large sign would have worked better there?

[roadfro]

^ No, you can't use one sign there, as a separate HOV sign is needed for the separate HOV exit. (Also noticing that the HOV sign doesn't have a yellow "LEFT" plaque...)

[J Route Z]

I really liked the old signs better on this one. I mostly like newer signs, but this here's an exception.

[national highway 1]

FWIW, here's what those signs originally looked like...

Couldn't've Caltrans installed the exit number in the right hand sign in the space above 'Cupertino'? How hard can it be?

[Mergingtraffic]

The ramp to Tuckahoe Rd from NY-100 hasn't been 2-lanes in years.  but you'd never know it by the sign.

[route17fan]

Edit: also, dumb question but when did GA go away from the skinny font they used to have?

vtk: The Feds got after them (either fully or partially) due to a fatal bus crash involving a sports team from Ohio where the driver got in the wrong lane and ended up on a offramp near I want to say Northside Dr in N Atlanta off I-75 southbound. I lived in west Atlanta near Douglasville when this happened; I just don't remember the team.

After that event, the exit tabs began springing up in earnest - ironically after almost a statewide replacement of the old button copy signs with the upper and lower case C and D fonts. If memory serves, the area around Albany GA had exit tabs existing. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[route17fan]

Apparently US 48 got extended northeastward to Oswego (and US 104 got revived, though those shields look old enough to be remnants from when NY 104 actually was US 104): http://goo.gl/maps/H3Ztu

I lived in Rotterdam NY up until this past April and when the upside down NY 337 shields were popping up, I went to NYSDOT to point out the error and was petrified that NY 337 would become US 337 given the track record.

Then an upside down NY 990V shield appeared - can you imagine US 990V? AIEEEEEEEE!!!

[amroad17]

Edit: also, dumb question but when did GA go away from the skinny font they used to have?

vtk: The Feds got after them (either fully or partially) due to a fatal bus crash involving a sports team from Ohio where the driver got in the wrong lane and ended up on a offramp near I want to say Northside Dr in N Atlanta off I-75 southbound. I lived in west Atlanta near Douglasville when this happened; I just don't remember the team.

After that event, the exit tabs began springing up in earnest - ironically after almost a statewide replacement of the old button copy signs with the upper and lower case C and D fonts. If memory serves, the area around Albany GA had exit tabs existing. Please correct me if I am wrong.

That team was from Bluffton University from Bluffton, OH, located about 60 miles south of Toledo along I-75.

[route17fan]

Ah that's right - thank you.

[hbelkins]

The skinny font didn't have anything to do with that bus wreck, did it?

[vtk]

Why was i mentioned in the post with the bus crash story?

[jbnv]

The ramp to Tuckahoe Rd from NY-100 hasn't been 2-lanes in years.  but you'd never know it by the sign.

With a name like that, they're lucky that the sign hasn't been stolen.

[route17fan]

Why was i mentioned in the post with the bus crash story?

It was a pull quote of asking when the GA typeface was changed from uppercase C and D to E(M) and I was told that the bus crash had something to do with it. I may be wrong but that was what I was told. If I am wrong, I apologize. I also apologize if I misread or misquoted.

[machias]

Apparently US 48 got extended northeastward to Oswego (and US 104 got revived, though those shields look old enough to be remnants from when NY 104 actually was US 104): http://goo.gl/maps/H3Ztu

The city of Oswego put up a bunch of US 48, US 481 and US 104 signs around the city about 10 years ago, but that US 48 sign is a lot newer than the others. The other post is correct, those US 104 markers date back to when the road really was US 104.

[myosh_tino]

FWIW, here's what those signs originally looked like...

Couldn't've Caltrans installed the exit number in the right hand sign in the space above 'Cupertino'? How hard can it be?

While they have added reflective exit tabs to button-copy signs, it isn't a common practice.  Besides, a 24-inch exit tab wouldn't fit.  It would cover up the top part of the 't' and the dot on the 'i'.

I noticed this sign doesn't have any type of lighting fixtures on the catwalk so it's entirely possible Caltrans replaced it so it would meet the new reflectivity standards in the '09 MUTCD.

[bzakharin]

This on the Atlantic City Expressway:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4234786,-74.5742654,3a,75y,114.86h,76.31t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0ucby2G16O_9ACC8NLWkXA!2e0

It appears to imply that the right two lanes exit and only the left lane is through. In fact, none of the lanes exit, there are two added lanes at the location of the exit.

Edit: The original exit BGSs on the NJ Turnpike suffer from this, but in reverse, with two downward errors on the "Thru Traffic" signs implying that the right lane exits. Those arrows are going away, though.

[agentsteel53]

http://goo.gl/maps/SjqWh

70th St/Lake Murray exit off I-8 eastbound.  technically this isn't erroneous, but it sure is misleading.

left sign says: "Alvarado Rd./Lake Murray Rd./70th st" - use left lane.  right sign says: "Lake Murray Rd." - use right lane.

there is no further signage.

downstream, the left lane splits into two.  one of the lanes turns left, and one turns right (to go with the right lane, which also turns right).

Alvarado is the T-junction you come to.  all three lanes take you to Alvarado.  left lane is Alvarado eastbound; middle and right lanes are Alvarado westbound.  then, to get to 70th/Lake Murray (the road changes name at Alvarado), you must go right, taking Alvarado for a very brief distance to get to that intersection.

so technically the sign is correct, but there definitely needs to be a clarification that, just downstream of the sign, you will need to make a decision at the lane split - and Lake Murray and 70th can only be accessed from one lane, so choose wisely.  a second gantry would be extremely helpful.

(it doesn't help that the interchange itself is one of those 50s remnant ad-hoc "designs" that someone threw together because it connected everything, and that's sufficient, isn't it?)

[roadman65]

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5355629,-77.4319594,3a,37.5y,32.32h,91.76t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shGio_X_bMfERE12bSNryaA!2e0?hl=en
The US 60 shields are totally wrong and also facing the wrong way.  US 60 East is the same direction as US 360 East here and west is to the left on Main.

Furthermore, pan around to the direct opposite corner and another assembly is there also erroneous.

I guess this is what happens when the state turns over all highways inside independent cities over to the city for maintenance.

[okroads]

DSC01746 by okroads, on Flickr

This should have a "WEST" tab and not an "EAST" tab. Photo taken by me on 7-24-14.