http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/documents/E-ZPass-20th-Anniversary-Release.pdf
A side note: I signed up for it as soon as it was available in New Jersey. The Atlantic City Expressway was the first road it worked on here, and I had pass 00000000214. Since some people had multiple passes, I was easily within one of the first 200 people to sign up for the NJ system. Soon after, the DE Turnpike took EZ Pass, but they didn't have dedicated lanes. I remember one time waiting in traffic to go thru the booth. When I finally could go thru without stopping, I could see the startled expression in the rearview mirror of the person behind me thinking I just evaded the toll.
I think the most disappointing part of the EZ Pass network are the agencies that haven't converted some of their mainline toll plazas to express lanes. Maryland especially shocks me - they have a toll plaza that could easily be converted to some express lanes, but motorists are stuck using the old toll lanes.
Shoot, I wish the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike would get with it and install ORT lanes on the mainline as the Illinois Tollway has. The whole point, IMHO, of ETC is to free the traffic on the toll road from having to constantly stop and get a ticket or pay a toll.
Quote from: Brandon on August 02, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
Shoot, I wish the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike would get with it and install ORT lanes on the mainline as the Illinois Tollway has. The whole point, IMHO, of ETC is to free the traffic on the toll road from having to constantly stop and get a ticket or pay a toll.
But on the ticket system, you're not "constantly" stopping. You stop when you get on, and you stop when you get off. Regarding the Ohio Turnpike, open road tolling would probably only ever be implemented at the east and west ends, and maybe at I-480. So a 50—100 mile Turnpike trip might go from two stops to one, and a longer trip might go from two stops to none. There's just not that much room for improvement.
ya know, people, if we just put our noses to the grindstone, and worked on this problem just a bit more... we could achieve negative-one stops on the Ohio Turnpike.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 02, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
I think the most disappointing part of the EZ Pass network are the agencies that haven't converted some of their mainline toll plazas to express lanes. Maryland especially shocks me - they have a toll plaza that could easily be converted to some express lanes, but motorists are stuck using the old toll lanes.
Though Maryland was the first in E-ZPass land with a cashless toll road.
And MdTA is giving consideration to converting at least some of their facilities to cashless.
TOLLROADSnews: 20th anniversary of E-ZPass IOP this Saturday - much comment on accomplishments but focus on national IOP (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/6673)
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Quote from: Brandon on August 02, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
Shoot, I wish the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike would get with it and install ORT lanes on the mainline as the Illinois Tollway has. The whole point, IMHO, of ETC is to free the traffic on the toll road from having to constantly stop and get a ticket or pay a toll.
But on the ticket system, you're not "constantly" stopping. You stop when you get on, and you stop when you get off. Regarding the Ohio Turnpike, open road tolling would probably only ever be implemented at the east and west ends, and maybe at I-480. So a 50—100 mile Turnpike trip might go from two stops to one, and a longer trip might go from two stops to none. There's just not that much room for improvement.
More than two stops on the ITR, if you ride all the way to the west end. The road switches from tickets to periodic stops, beginning with the Portage toll barrier. I'd like to see ORT, at least for that part.
What always astonishes me is the statistics showing that 75% of transactions on most E-ZPass facilities are made via E-ZPass rather than cash. The reason it astonishes me is that I still see major backups at the cash lanes during periods of heavy demand, especially at major locations like Breezewood or the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Sure, there are always going to be out-of-area drivers who lack transponders, or people who are local but don't use the facility much, or conspiracy theorists and Luddites who are afraid of the transponder. But if 75% of transactions are E-ZPass and the cash lines are as long as they are, then I really shudder to think of what a nightmare it'd be if electronic collection protocols had never sprung up. Yeah, I remember the backups going to New York when I was a kid, but there is way more traffic today than there was back then.
I estimate that when we drive to Montreal we typically save a good half an hour by not having to wait on line at the cash lanes–and I haven't been through the Woodbury barrier since the ORT lanes opened, either.
(I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I know one guy who won't get an E-ZPass because he thinks if he did he'd be supporting the project to extend Metrorail to Dulles Airport, which he vehemently opposes.)
I was a bit shocked to find that in New Hampshire and Maine, the open road tolling sections were ONE lane in each direction (on a 6-lane or 8-lane freeway). There's plenty of warning, and during the non-rush-hour travel I was doing, it was fine. But given what places like Illinois do (all travel lanes are open road tolling, cash users exit the mainline to travel through the toll booths), it seemed rather weird to not devote more lanes to open road tolling.
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Not unique to NH and ME, unfortunately.
Quote from: Brandon on August 02, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
Shoot, I wish the Indiana Toll Road and Ohio Turnpike would get with it and install ORT lanes on the mainline as the Illinois Tollway has. The whole point, IMHO, of ETC is to free the traffic on the toll road from having to constantly stop and get a ticket or pay a toll.
at least gate free lanes if just at the major interchanges and main line changes. also on the skyway as well.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 02, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/documents/E-ZPass-20th-Anniversary-Release.pdf
A side note: I signed up for it as soon as it was available in New Jersey. The Atlantic City Expressway was the first road it worked on here, and I had pass 00000000214. Since some people had multiple passes, I was easily within one of the first 200 people to sign up for the NJ system. Soon after, the DE Turnpike took EZ Pass, but they didn't have dedicated lanes. I remember one time waiting in traffic to go thru the booth. When I finally could go thru without stopping, I could see the startled expression in the rearview mirror of the person behind me thinking I just evaded the toll.
I think the most disappointing part of the EZ Pass network are the agencies that haven't converted some of their mainline toll plazas to express lanes. Maryland especially shocks me - they have a toll plaza that could easily be converted to some express lanes, but motorists are stuck using the old toll lanes.
I remember in 1991 or so there was makeshift equipment set up at the (then-) Hillsdale Toll Plaza with lights and scanners in an ad-hoc arrangement, presumably in a test arrangement for electronic toll collection. As I recall, it was 1993 or 1994 that EZ-Pass came fully into being. I picked up an application at the beginning (at that time, I believe, only available in NY) but didn't join until ten years later. I had a certain attachment to chats with toll collectors for a while.
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 02, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
I was a bit shocked to find that in New Hampshire and Maine, the open road tolling sections were ONE lane in each direction (on a 6-lane or 8-lane freeway). There's plenty of warning, and during the non-rush-hour travel I was doing, it was fine. But given what places like Illinois do (all travel lanes are open road tolling, cash users exit the mainline to travel through the toll booths), it seemed rather weird to not devote more lanes to open road tolling.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The ORT lanes on 95 in Hampton are 2x2, the new ORT lanes on 93 at Hooksett are also 2x2. The only 1x1 ORT lanes I know of are West Gardiner on the Maine Turnpike, but anyone who's driven it that far up knows how low traffic volumes are (the road is only a 4-lane freeway in the first place, not a 6- or 8-lane like you say).
Those are the only 3 ORT setups I know of in New England, though soon MA's Tobin Bridge will join in with all-ORT.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 02, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
(I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I know one guy who won't get an E-ZPass because he thinks if he did he'd be supporting the project to extend Metrorail to Dulles Airport, which he vehemently opposes.)
I don't approve of the train project to Dulles Airport either, but that's not going to deter me from using E-ZPass (and before I had E-ZPass, I had a Virginia-only SmarTag transponder).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 02, 2013, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 02, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
I think the most disappointing part of the EZ Pass network are the agencies that haven't converted some of their mainline toll plazas to express lanes. Maryland especially shocks me - they have a toll plaza that could easily be converted to some express lanes, but motorists are stuck using the old toll lanes.
Though Maryland was the first in E-ZPass land with a cashless toll road.
True...although then they messed it up with a 55 mph speed limit (which was finally increased).
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And MdTA is giving consideration to converting at least some of their facilities to cashless.
Nearly all of the agencies have looked at going cashless - and eventually, it will happen someday...even if that day is a few decades away.
The AC Expressway nearly did so, but held off. Some of the issues is catering to the unions. The toll authorities have the ability to say "Hey, when the contract is up, so is your employment with us", but the people really do have a heart and allow the collectors to maintain a presence on the roadway. It's also a case of dealing with motorists that are used to paying a toll with cash, and people are set in their ways.
In another similar case of people refusing to change, Verizon is probably not going to replace phone lines in an area or two that were destroyed by Superstorm Sandy. A few people, notably older folks along with the AARP, don't like that idea. Verizon says, correctly, that so few people would use a landline that it's not worth the cost to replace the copper. How these same people have gotten by since the storm without the landlines hasn't been reported.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 02, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
What always astonishes me is the statistics showing that 75% of transactions on most E-ZPass facilities are made via E-ZPass rather than cash. The reason it astonishes me is that I still see major backups at the cash lanes during periods of heavy demand, especially at major locations like Breezewood or the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Sure, there are always going to be out-of-area drivers who lack transponders, or people who are local but don't use the facility much, or conspiracy theorists and Luddites who are afraid of the transponder. But if 75% of transactions are E-ZPass and the cash lines are as long as they are, then I really shudder to think of what a nightmare it'd be if electronic collection protocols had never sprung up. Yeah, I remember the backups going to New York when I was a kid, but there is way more traffic today than there was back then.
I estimate that when we drive to Montreal we typically save a good half an hour by not having to wait on line at the cash lanes–and I haven't been through the Woodbury barrier since the ORT lanes opened, either.
In the Pre-EZ Pass days on the Walt Whitman Bridge, traffic would be backed up across the bridge, down I-76, down Rt. 42, back to Rt. 55. Today, traffic backs up on 55 and 42 up to the 295 interchange, but after that it free-flows on I-76 and most of the Walt Whitman bridge. The only real issue on the bridge now is when there's only 3 lanes crossing into Philly and there's a sporting/concert event in South Philly, or on Sunday evenings when traffic is returning from the shore. The zipper wall is a good thing - when it's used properly. Too often, the zipper wall is in the wrong position. The DRPA would rather deal with some minor congestion (which the wall was supposed to eliminate) so they don't have to employee someone to move the wall, which costs labor and fuel (and I bet the person that could drive that vehicle is already there anyway, so the labor costs probably aren't a factor).
Since the NJ Turnpike has converted their cash lanes to mixed-mode lanes, at least my observations at Interchange 3 show well more than 1/2 of the motorists during a typical afternoon rush hour are using those lanes with an EZ Pass. Unfortunately, Rt. 168 is where the congestion lies, so the benefits are short lived.
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Quote from: JREwing78 on August 02, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
I was a bit shocked to find that in New Hampshire and Maine, the open road tolling sections were ONE lane in each direction (on a 6-lane or 8-lane freeway). There's plenty of warning, and during the non-rush-hour travel I was doing, it was fine. But given what places like Illinois do (all travel lanes are open road tolling, cash users exit the mainline to travel through the toll booths), it seemed rather weird to not devote more lanes to open road tolling.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The ORT lanes on 95 in Hampton are 2x2, the new ORT lanes on 93 at Hooksett are also 2x2.
You are correct. New Hampshire's ORT lanes were two lanes in each direction (when I went though in June). That was a very long drive; the details are a bit fuzzy.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 03, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
The only 1x1 ORT lanes I know of are West Gardiner on the Maine Turnpike, but anyone who's driven it that far up knows how low traffic volumes are (the road is only a 4-lane freeway in the first place, not a 6- or 8-lane like you say).
The one I went through in Maine was in New Gloucester, which is a 1x1 ORT setup (it opened in April).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 04, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
In another similar case of people refusing to change, Verizon is probably not going to replace phone lines in an area or two that were destroyed by Superstorm Sandy. A few people, notably older folks along with the AARP, don't like that idea. Verizon says, correctly, that so few people would use a landline that it's not worth the cost to replace the copper. How these same people have gotten by since the storm without the landlines hasn't been reported.
Actually, there was a report on NPR about it within the last week. Verizon may be correct on a purely economic point of view, but the purely economic view is not the way the landline telephone network was built or should be operated. The landline network is highly reliable, with huge banks of batteries providing emergency power to the central offices and central offices built like bunkers. Cell phone antennas are
not built with backup power or built to withstand disasters or emergencies. Landline voice quality is much better than cell phone voice quality, and that's particularly important for elderly folks who may be hard of hearing. Landlines can carry a DSL connection and cell phones can carry only a slower data connection.
Verizon is fobbing off the residents with a hybrid between landlines and cell phones, combining all the disadvantages of both: less reliable service and lousy signal quality like cell phones, powered by house current so they are tied to the house where the service is like landlines. Verizon has a lot of damn gall charging the same as they did for a landline. I hope they don't get away with it, so that telephone companies everywhere don't start cutting service to rural areas. Verizon gets a monopoly on local landline service, their obligation in return is to continue the universal service that's been a telco's responsibility since the 1950s.
Quote from: kkt on August 04, 2013, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 04, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
In another similar case of people refusing to change, Verizon is probably not going to replace phone lines in an area or two that were destroyed by Superstorm Sandy. A few people, notably older folks along with the AARP, don't like that idea. Verizon says, correctly, that so few people would use a landline that it's not worth the cost to replace the copper. How these same people have gotten by since the storm without the landlines hasn't been reported.
Actually, there was a report on NPR about it within the last week. Verizon may be correct on a purely economic point of view, but the purely economic view is not the way the landline telephone network was built or should be operated. The landline network is highly reliable, with huge banks of batteries providing emergency power to the central offices and central offices built like bunkers. Cell phone antennas are not built with backup power or built to withstand disasters or emergencies. Landline voice quality is much better than cell phone voice quality, and that's particularly important for elderly folks who may be hard of hearing.
Also, 911 calls on landlines can provide the operator the exact street address (and any apartment number?) called from, which is reassuring for people whose medical or other emergencies might keep them from providing that information. Cellphone location information is less precise. That's a non-troglodyte reason for people to want to keep at least minimal landline service, even if they also have and primarily use cellphones.
Quote from: JREwing78 on August 04, 2013, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 03, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
The only 1x1 ORT lanes I know of are West Gardiner on the Maine Turnpike, but anyone who's driven it that far up knows how low traffic volumes are (the road is only a 4-lane freeway in the first place, not a 6- or 8-lane like you say).
The one I went through in Maine was in New Gloucester, which is a 1x1 ORT setup (it opened in April).
You're probably correct here. I don't feel like looking it up right now, but I probably had the two tolls mixed up.
It always messes with my mind a little to hear that EZPass was functional as early as 1993. I don't recall seeing it anywhere until several years later. But then, I was never on any of the roads it first appeared on back in those days. The New Rochelle toll plaza must have been one of the last places the thruway authority installed it, as I remember it first showing up there along with MTA and Port Authority crossings at about the same time (1997-ish), and that was when I learned about it.
My father refused to sign up for it until years later (we got our first tag in 2004), for no real reason other than that he's always been slow to adopt new technology.
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My father refused to sign up for it until years later (we got our first tag in 2004), for no real reason other than that he's always been slow to adopt new technology.
My father was reluctant to sign up for Smart Tag (Virginia's program that later joined E-ZPass) because he thought you had to go somewhere to touch the transponder to something when you wanted to add money to it. Weird, since he's not normally a technophobe.
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My father refused to sign up for it until years later (we got our first tag in 2004), for no real reason other than that he's always been slow to adopt new technology.
My father was reluctant to sign up for Smart Tag (Virginia's program that later joined E-ZPass) because he thought you had to go somewhere to touch the transponder to something when you wanted to add money to it. Weird, since he's not normally a technophobe.
Maybe he assumed that because what he was thinking of sounds suspiciously like the SmarTrip® card used by WMATA (Washington Metrorail) and several nearby transit properties in Virginia and Maryland.
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My father refused to sign up for it until years later (we got our first tag in 2004), for no real reason other than that he's always been slow to adopt new technology.
My father was reluctant to sign up for Smart Tag (Virginia's program that later joined E-ZPass) because he thought you had to go somewhere to touch the transponder to something when you wanted to add money to it. Weird, since he's not normally a technophobe.
Maybe he assumed that because what he was thinking of sounds suspiciously like the SmarTrip® card used by WMATA (Washington Metrorail) and several nearby transit properties in Virginia and Maryland.
A logical guess, but I doubt that was the case because he never had a SmarTrip card until he turned 65 in 2011 and got a Senior SmarTrip card. My father almost never rode the Metro until he retired (and lost his government-provided parking space downtown!). I think he rode the Metro all of a single time between 1999 and 2011, and that time was only because I had told him I'd drive him to work when his car was being serviced but then I was unable to do so because I had a motions hearing at the Rocket Docket. So I dropped him at the Eisenhower Metro. He was not pleased.
Frankly, I kind of understand why some of the hardcore privacy types don't want to use things like E-ZPass, but nowadays I'm not much sure it matters because there are almost no people who don't use some form of credit or debit card or mobile phone. If someone is determined to track your location, they can do it. I AM amused at how many people apparently still believe electronic toll transponders are used to issue speeding tickets. Any agency that does that is shooting itself in the foot because people would stop using the transponders.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 05, 2013, 08:53:18 AM
Frankly, I kind of understand why some of the hardcore privacy types don't want to use things like E-ZPass, but nowadays I'm not much sure it matters because there are almost no people who don't use some form of credit or debit card or mobile phone. If someone is determined to track your location, they can do it.
There are still a lot of those people around. They write in blogs and on the internet. Which means that they are utilizing a device that can narrow them down to the exact room of the house they are typing in, or the exact location of their phone, but they feel safe because they are using an alias.
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I AM amused at how many people apparently still believe electronic toll transponders are used to issue speeding tickets. Any agency that does that is shooting itself in the foot because people would stop using the transponders.
Thank goodness there aren't as many of those people around, except in areas where they are just starting to use an electronic tolling device.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 02, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
What always astonishes me is the statistics showing that 75% of transactions on most E-ZPass facilities are made via E-ZPass rather than cash. The reason it astonishes me is that I still see major backups at the cash lanes during periods of heavy demand, especially at major locations like Breezewood or the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.
With the Bay Bridge, I think the problem is usually the bridges themselves, more so than the the toll plaza.
Especially if it's 3 lanes WB & 2 EB. Even when it's 3-lane EB, traffic slows dramatically, cause when there's a lot of traffic, it always crosses the bridge relatively slow. If/when (In the long run, I'm sure it's "when") it goes A.E.T. with no plaza, I'm sure there will still be major backups, especially on summer weekends. (Unless, by some miracle, they resolve to build a new span & fast track it).
However, I think an A.E.T. setup @ Breezewood would go a long way to relieving the backups there, though it would help if the westbound ramp to the Turnpike became a third lane (or a really long acceleration lane)
Quote from: Mr_Northside on August 05, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 02, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
What always astonishes me is the statistics showing that 75% of transactions on most E-ZPass facilities are made via E-ZPass rather than cash. The reason it astonishes me is that I still see major backups at the cash lanes during periods of heavy demand, especially at major locations like Breezewood or the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.
With the Bay Bridge, I think the problem is usually the bridges themselves, more so than the the toll plaza. Especially if it's 3 lanes WB & 2 EB. Even when it's 3-lane EB, traffic slows dramatically, cause when there's a lot of traffic, it always crosses the bridge relatively slow. If/when (In the long run, I'm sure it's "when") it goes A.E.T. with no plaza, I'm sure there will still be major backups, especially on summer weekends. (Unless, by some miracle, they resolve to build a new span & fast track it).
The administration of (current) Gov. Martin O'Malley has shown no interest in getting going on a new span there, though that's the only way to (mostly) get rid of so-called "2-way" operation, with its potential for head-on crashes.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on August 05, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
However, I think an A.E.T. setup @ Breezewood would go a long way to relieving the backups there, though it would help if the westbound ramp to the Turnpike became a third lane (or a really long acceleration lane)
A modest proposal, perhaps - let's get rid of Breezewood by bypassing it for people that have no interest in its businesses (like me).
The other thing that got me the last time we passed through Breezewood (heading back home to Virginia) was that the bulk of the traffic was coming from the west (specifically Pittsburgh), but the lone E-ZPass Only lane had been put way over to the right where the only people who could easily access it were people coming from the east. It led to a massive traffic jam. I still think they did it on purpose because easily more than half the traffic were Washington Capitals fans coming back from the Winter Classic (we beat Pittsburgh 3—1). Normally I wouldn't have gone through Breezewood on a day like that, but we were having too much fun interacting with other cars full of Caps fans.
But you know, that brings up the larger issue of where the electronic toll lanes should be located when there's a retrofitted toll plaza. I know some people who say "all the way to the left" under the theory that the left lane is the fast lane. That doesn't necessarily work well precisely because of situations like Breezewood where there's an exit immediately adjacent. I know other people who say "in the middle" to minimize people changing lanes all the way across the deceleration area. I've heard the suggestion of "at each end" for the same kind of reason.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 06, 2013, 09:03:29 AM
The other thing that got me the last time we passed through Breezewood (heading back home to Virginia) was that the bulk of the traffic was coming from the west (specifically Pittsburgh), but the lone E-ZPass Only lane had been put way over to the right where the only people who could easily access it were people coming from the east. It led to a massive traffic jam. I still think they did it on purpose because easily more than half the traffic were Washington Capitals fans coming back from the Winter Classic (we beat Pittsburgh 3—1). Normally I wouldn't have gone through Breezewood on a day like that, but we were having too much fun interacting with other cars full of Caps fans.
But you know, that brings up the larger issue of where the electronic toll lanes should be located when there's a retrofitted toll plaza. I know some people who say "all the way to the left" under the theory that the left lane is the fast lane. That doesn't necessarily work well precisely because of situations like Breezewood where there's an exit immediately adjacent. I know other people who say "in the middle" to minimize people changing lanes all the way across the deceleration area. I've heard the suggestion of "at each end" for the same kind of reason.
Build some direct EZ-pass only ramps.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 06, 2013, 09:03:29 AM
The other thing that got me the last time we passed through Breezewood (heading back home to Virginia) was that the bulk of the traffic was coming from the west (specifically Pittsburgh), but the lone E-ZPass Only lane had been put way over to the right where the only people who could easily access it were people coming from the east. It led to a massive traffic jam. I still think they did it on purpose because easily more than half the traffic were Washington Capitals fans coming back from the Winter Classic (we beat Pittsburgh 3—1). Normally I wouldn't have gone through Breezewood on a day like that, but we were having too much fun interacting with other cars full of Caps fans.
But you know, that brings up the larger issue of where the electronic toll lanes should be located when there's a retrofitted toll plaza. I know some people who say "all the way to the left" under the theory that the left lane is the fast lane. That doesn't necessarily work well precisely because of situations like Breezewood where there's an exit immediately adjacent. I know other people who say "in the middle" to minimize people changing lanes all the way across the deceleration area. I've heard the suggestion of "at each end" for the same kind of reason.
I have a feeling by the time anything is done, the whole Turnpike system will be A.E.T., so there wouldn't be traffic trying to make it's way to cash lanes vs. EZ-Pass Lanes, cause it will be all transponder/bill-by-plate.
Massachusetts has similarly fumbled about to find an acceptable arrangement for its EZ-Pass lanes.
In any case, as you allude to, it is only a number of years before "toll collector" is as current a job title as "elevator operator" or "milkman."
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
Massachusetts has similarly fumbled about to find an acceptable arrangement for its EZ-Pass lanes.
In any case, as you allude to, it is only a number of years before "toll collector" is as current a job title as "elevator operator" or "milkman."
Milkman still exists for specialty delivery. I suspect there will always be a small need for manual lanes along the toll roads at the mainline plazas.
Quote from: Brandon on August 06, 2013, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 06, 2013, 09:18:23 PM
Massachusetts has similarly fumbled about to find an acceptable arrangement for its EZ-Pass lanes.
In any case, as you allude to, it is only a number of years before "toll collector" is as current a job title as "elevator operator" or "milkman."
Milkman still exists for specialty delivery. I suspect there will always be a small need for manual lanes along the toll roads at the mainline plazas.
there are still some elevator operators to day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevator_operators
also some toll roads / bridges still have no ETC also there are lot's of non EZ-pass systems.
How can an abstract concept (interoperability) perform an action (celebrating)?
Quote from: NE2 on August 07, 2013, 01:24:50 AM
How can an abstract concept (interoperability) perform an action (celebrating)?
it gives hugs with its nuclear arms.
Quote from: NE2 on August 07, 2013, 01:24:50 AM
How can an abstract concept (interoperability) perform an action (celebrating)?
Ask the NJ Turnpike Authority. They titled the press release.
And by asking the Turnpike Authority, I mean ask the person who created the press release.