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Title: Inverted state shield!
Post by: classictags93 on August 18, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
I came across this on a little road journey today while in Nashua, NH.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7346%2F9542396140_94412d03d4_b.jpg&hash=4351283b148e51ebc0698dee7a455119101d8761)

A New Hampshire highway shield with the colors inverted. I've been all across the state in the past few weeks and I haven't seen anything like this anywhere besides Nashua, and only this one sign within that city. Does anyone else from New Hampshire have another documented case of this or know anything about it? Anyone from other states have something like this?
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: xonhulu on August 18, 2013, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: classictags93 on August 18, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
Anyone from other states have something like this?

Here are a couple from Oregon.  The 126 is now gone, but the 99 is still around:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi572.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss166%2Fxonhulu%2FSign%2520Goofs%2FOR126OddSignnearNoti2.jpg&hash=5bf9e8145e755518b4df369e3be732b464001b56)    (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi572.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss166%2Fxonhulu%2FSign%2520Goofs%2FOR99Eugenereversecolor.jpg&hash=af5369aee5758e24ac763b39fd9ff589a9ee46a3)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2013, 09:05:07 PM
an inverse was an experiment back in the day for a sign in snowy areas.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IA/IA19310181i1.jpg)

I've seen Iowa, Michigan, Arizona, Utah, and probably others I am not remembering.

here's a random Alabama modern example, which seems to just be a goof.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/AL/AL19760452i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: NE2 on August 18, 2013, 09:11:00 PM
For a different reason:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19560191i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: _Simon on August 19, 2013, 09:33:01 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fexit-only.net%2Fbroad378.jpg&hash=c8d2034b51e042a3625a47f9203b089a1cba6cbd)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: corco on August 19, 2013, 09:37:27 PM
Idanooooooooo- there's a few erroneous shields of this type in the panhandle region

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fidanoooo.png&hash=c740a865161e6e0bcbe91aae6573b5688fb2713d)

This one was in Mt Vernon WA in 2008. No idea if it's still there.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F536%2F5to20%2F2.JPG&hash=a9d1a3c18e88fcd0cd29d4bb8117171eb915bf2f)

QuoteUtah

I'd love to see that- that'd be one convoluted design to invert
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 20, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
Quote from: corco on August 19, 2013, 09:37:27 PM

I'd love to see that- that'd be one convoluted design to invert

it's an embossed Utah US 6 that looks effectively like the Iowa US 18.  alas, not as exciting as a reverse beehive.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Central Avenue on August 20, 2013, 03:04:58 PM
Gahanna, Ohio:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dhbcG1TCOMw/UGhC1uUFIVI/AAAAAAAAG9Y/qqfnDgOtW_c/s640/DSCN5164.JPG)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: formulanone on August 20, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
A couple of the inverted US shields appear in Florida (besides the old US 98 shields):

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5578/31445436435_24884743c2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PUJ5Ha)

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8569/28201921092_a9e0ed7cb6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JY7dAQ)]

Sometimes the Florida's Turnpike signs also become inverted...

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2907/33287595324_f76c9609ab_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SHvCnj)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Billy F 1988 on August 20, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: Central Avenue on August 20, 2013, 03:04:58 PM
Gahanna, Ohio:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dhbcG1TCOMw/UGhC1uUFIVI/AAAAAAAAG9Y/qqfnDgOtW_c/s640/DSCN5164.JPG)

Ewwwwww! Oversized 62! Bleh! I just hate seeing signs like that! Inverted or not.

I don't believe Montana has seen inverted shields, as of late anyways, but don't be surprised to find at least one scattered among the horizon. Only exception is the SR 482 shield corco displayed in Best of Road Signs.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Kacie Jane on August 20, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: corco on August 19, 2013, 09:37:27 PMThis one was in Mt Vernon WA in 2008. No idea if it's still there.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F536%2F5to20%2F2.JPG&hash=a9d1a3c18e88fcd0cd29d4bb8117171eb915bf2f)

It's been a while since I've been in that area, so I can't speak to that one.  But there are numerous ones for 99 in and around Seattle, including new installs near the temporary route where they've already demolished part of the viaduct.  Sadly, I think the one painted on the bridge at N 38th St is gone.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Takumi on August 21, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Surprisingly, out of all the messed-up signage in Virginia, I don't recall ever seeing an inverted shield documented anywhere in it.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 21, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Takumi on August 21, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Surprisingly, out of all the messed-up signage in Virginia, I don't recall ever seeing an inverted shield documented anywhere in it.

Me either. I believe I've seen inverted US shields in the District of Columbia in a couple of places, but I can't seem to remember where.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 03:05:23 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8516%2F8545450616_3bc229d51f_c.jpg&hash=64305af4d1b895e4cf657da65e91522924fd8f98)
Bradenton, Florida
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 21, 2013, 03:48:52 PM
Great picture with the clouds overhead.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Alps on August 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 21, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Takumi on August 21, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Surprisingly, out of all the messed-up signage in Virginia, I don't recall ever seeing an inverted shield documented anywhere in it.

Me either. I believe I've seen inverted US shields in the District of Columbia in a couple of places, but I can't seem to remember where.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fdc%2Fus_50%2Fw1.jpg&hash=cc6788f63e0d90d1e7a7e1317b04a8d122c6b63c)
These reverse shields are on 9th St. NW, southbound at Constitution Ave. (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/dc/us_50)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 21, 2013, 03:48:52 PM
Great picture with the clouds overhead.
Yeah the shields and the sky do both make a great combination!
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: NE2 on August 21, 2013, 08:00:10 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 21, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Takumi on August 21, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Surprisingly, out of all the messed-up signage in Virginia, I don't recall ever seeing an inverted shield documented anywhere in it.

Me either. I believe I've seen inverted US shields in the District of Columbia in a couple of places, but I can't seem to remember where.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fdc%2Fus_50%2Fw1.jpg&hash=cc6788f63e0d90d1e7a7e1317b04a8d122c6b63c)
These reverse shields are on 9th St. NW, southbound at Constitution Ave. (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/dc/us_50)
Incidentally, this is the only signage pointing US 1 southbound through the 9th Street Tunnel rather than Constitution to 15th.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
It has to because of that NO LEFT TURN from Constitution Avenue to 14th Street NW, however, like you pointed out, there is no follow up on the other side of the tunnel where you need to use I-395 to get back to US 1 proper.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: NE2 on August 21, 2013, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
It has to because of that NO LEFT TURN from Constitution Avenue to 14th Street NW, however, like you pointed out, there is no follow up on the other side of the tunnel where you need to use I-395 to get back to US 1 proper.
Which is why sources show US 1 turning left on 15th instead of 14th, all the way back to the 50s: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212314~5500349:Shell-Central-Washington--D-C---12-
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 08:17:19 PM
Great map!  It is interesting to see US 50 crossing on the Arlington Memorial Bridge as the Teddy Roosevelt Bridge was not built.  Its even more interesting to see US 50 use Independence Avenue, SE and NE 2nd Street, MD Avenue, and Bladensburg Road.  I am guessing that the John Hansen Highway was not built at that time either as the freeway part of New York Avenue as the BW Parkway in this publication.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: NE2 on August 21, 2013, 08:18:55 PM
The US 50 freeway is still officially the BW Parkway, I believe.

The other side of that map: http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212310~5500348:Shell-Map-of-Metropolitan-Washingto
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
It may be.  Another great map.  It is interesting to see US 240 end at the Lincoln Memorial and the 14th street bridge was not part of a freeway as the Shirley Highway split into the two arterials on the VA side of the Potomac.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: NE2 on August 21, 2013, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
the 14th street bridge was not part of a freeway as the Shirley Highway split into the two arterials on the VA side of the Potomac.
The Shirley Highway was a freeway (SR 350 became I-95).
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Central Avenue on August 21, 2013, 09:11:46 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 20, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Ewwwwww! Oversized 62! Bleh! I just hate seeing signs like that! Inverted or not.
I know, right? Perhaps if they'd made the thing the proper size, they wouldn't have had to resort to CRAMMING those numerals in there.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 21, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: Steve on August 21, 2013, 07:31:25 PM
These reverse shields are on 9th St. NW, southbound at Constitution Ave.[/url]

Thanks. Those might be the ones I recall, but since we usually use 10th Street when leaving the city after hockey games (10th, left on Constitution, right into 9th Street Tunnel) I tend not to pass those very often.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: KEK Inc. on August 22, 2013, 07:16:26 AM
Quote from: corco on August 19, 2013, 09:37:27 PM
Idanooooooooo- there's a few erroneous shields of this type in the panhandle region

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fidanoooo.png&hash=c740a865161e6e0bcbe91aae6573b5688fb2713d)

This one was in Mt Vernon WA in 2008. No idea if it's still there.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F536%2F5to20%2F2.JPG&hash=a9d1a3c18e88fcd0cd29d4bb8117171eb915bf2f)

QuoteUtah

I'd love to see that- that'd be one convoluted design to invert

Idaho is so inconsistent, I didn't know which one is the real shield when I first was in the state.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 22, 2013, 07:16:26 AM

Idaho is so inconsistent, I didn't know which one is the real shield when I first was in the state.

I believe the official standard is "black background, solid state" for independent mount, "white background, outline state" for green sign.  throw in the scenic routes and it has been documented that all 8 possibilities exist.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: DSS5 on August 24, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Related to the first post: when did the Old Man of the Mountain become the NH state shield? Has it always been that way?
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: corco on August 24, 2013, 11:47:11 AM
QuoteIdaho is so inconsistent, I didn't know which one is the real shield when I first was in the state.

Not really true- it's a really small part of Idaho that has inconsistent signage. Only the panhandle has those signs- the southern 85% of the state highway system is consistent. There are infrequent BGS mixups where they use the standalone shield on BGSes, but those weird inverted shields can only be found in some parts of the panhandle.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Ian on August 24, 2013, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: DSS5 on August 24, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Related to the first post: when did the Old Man of the Mountain become the NH state shield? Has it always been that way?

It has been the state shield for decades. Before it, they used a bland square similar to what Maine and Massachusetts use.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Scott5114 on August 25, 2013, 03:20:48 AM
So who's going to be the first one to post an inverted-as-in-upside-down state shield?
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Alps on August 25, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2013, 03:20:48 AM
So who's going to be the first one to post an inverted-as-in-upside-down state shield?
No one, because that's not the point of this thread. Don't provoke the troublemakers - or are you bored and need something to admin? :P
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Alps on August 25, 2013, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: Ian on August 24, 2013, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: DSS5 on August 24, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Related to the first post: when did the Old Man of the Mountain become the NH state shield? Has it always been that way?

It has been the state shield for decades. Before it, they used a bland square similar to what Maine and Massachusetts use.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnh%2Fnh_11%2Fw28.jpg&hash=f557b597c21eb8468ca0537cb27c98da3971c368) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnh%2Fus_4%2Fe410.jpg&hash=07c837cd583c5f8088020fee2bb8cc5e75337f99)
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
Once upon a time, MassDPW used reflectorized silver numerals w/a black background for its 2-digit state highway shields (MA 1A through Lynn and MA 62 were the ones I recall seeing).  It was an experimental type that wasn't applied systemwide.  Most of these shields disappeared by the late 70s.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2013, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 26, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
Once upon a time, MassDPW used reflectorized silver numerals w/a black background for its 2-digit state highway shields (MA 1A through Lynn and MA 62 were the ones I recall seeing).  It was an expirmental type that wasn't applied systemwide.  Most of these shields disappeared by the late 70s.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19520271i1.jpg)

this one survived into the 2000s.  the reflective sheeting is called Flexolite, which is amusing because it did not flex: it was hard plastic.  I have a sample that came with a catalog dated 1953. 

there were also reverse-printed US shields.  some Flickr site has a few examples of US-1 along with an inverted state route 28 shield.
Title: Re: Inverted state shield!
Post by: Indyroads on August 26, 2013, 06:39:27 PM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on August 22, 2013, 07:16:26 AM
Quote from: corco on August 19, 2013, 09:37:27 PM
Idanooooooooo- there's a few erroneous shields of this type in the panhandle region

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fidanoooo.png&hash=c740a865161e6e0bcbe91aae6573b5688fb2713d)

This one was in Mt Vernon WA in 2008. No idea if it's still there.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F536%2F5to20%2F2.JPG&hash=a9d1a3c18e88fcd0cd29d4bb8117171eb915bf2f)

QuoteUtah

I'd love to see that- that'd be one convoluted design to invert

Idaho is so inconsistent, I didn't know which one is the real shield when I first was in the state.

I have noticed that Idaho seems to use the White on black as its trailblazer markers White on Brown for recreational or scenic routes and the black on white with the state outline for it's guide signs. Not sure why they used the black silhouette here, that had to have been a sign shop error there.