KNX Radio: CHP Unveils New Police Interceptor Pursuit Vehicle (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/22/chp-unveils-new-police-interceptor-suv-pursuit-vehicle/)
QuoteThe California Highway Patrol has become the first law enforcement agency in the state to use the new faster, smarter and more fuel efficient Police Interceptor sports utility pursuit vehicle.
QuoteMade by the Ford Motor Company, the SUV is loosely based on the Ford Explorer, but with a few extra high-tech add-ons.
dang, and here I thought as a species we were moving away from SUVs.
Police officers will claim that there are certain "heavy duty" characteristics that they simply can't do without–including qualities that make a vehicle worthy to use as a battering ram or barricade. These are the reasons many police departments are still using rear wheel drive body-on-frame Crown Vics that are technologically stuck in the '70s.
I suppose this is kind of like abusive spending in the military– no, I'm not an expert in their field and don't know what they really need vs. what they say they need, but I suspect that there is some waste and protecting of people's taxpayer-funded empires going on.
For vehicles that spend most of their life idling by the side of the road, following speeders, or carrying a single officer about his (her) rounds, I don't see why police departments aren't using either stripped out cheap hybrids or other smaller and more fuel-efficient vehicles.
indeed. typical European police vehicle:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F78%2FNorway_Police_car.jpg%2F640px-Norway_Police_car.jpg&hash=e5608a680a26bcbe7b75ae8270e160d31bb7ace1)
Glad that California has solved all of its serious crime problems, and can now devote its resources to stomping out these dangerous people. It is certainly important that the cops spend double or triple to have luxury SUVs, so they can out run 98% of other cars, rather than just 95%.
Your tax dollars at waste.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 05:13:11 PM
Glad that California has solved all of its serious crime problems, and can now devote its resources to stomping out these dangerous people. It is certainly important that the cops spend double or triple to have luxury SUVs, so they can out run 98% of other cars, rather than just 95%.
Your tax dollars at waste.
Pretty much any police department has SUVs on their fleet, and have for a long time. Typically either Chevy Tahoes or Ford Explorers. I've also seen a few minivans in use. None of them are what I'd call 'luxurious', though they are built to be very durable.
I'm sure there are a lot of law enforcement entities that are sad to see the venerable Crown Vic go away after being neglected by Ford for so long. Sure, it's pretty ancient, but it's a body-on-frame RWD that is very useful in certain situations. Repairs and maintenance costs are also lower. That's why only a relative few switched to Impalas in the past few years.
I do see more and more Dodge Chargers on the fleets. My local police department has been restocking with the new Ford Taurus. Nice looking ride, so long as it's not in your rearview mirror.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 05:13:11 PM
Glad that California has solved all of its serious crime problems, and can now devote its resources to stomping out these dangerous people. It is certainly important that the cops spend double or triple to have luxury SUVs, so they can out run 98% of other cars, rather than just 95%.
According to the report from KNX, these vehicles have six cylinder engines, not V-8 power used in all Crown Vics.
And I am not sure that a Ford Explorer is a
luxury SUV either.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 05:13:11 PM
Your tax dollars at waste.
What would
you have them drive?
Over the summer, I have seen state troopers in New York State driving Chevy Tahoes and Suburbans, just yesterday I saw a Virginia trooper in a Tahoe (though the VSP also has plenty of Crown Vics and Chevy Impalas), Maryland troopers still have a lot of Crown Vics, but are phasing-in Ford Taurus and Holden (badged as Chevy) Caprice PPVs, in addition to Ford and Chevy SUVs. In New Hampshire, the troopers I saw were in Crown Vics and Dodge Chargers; and in Connecticut every trooper car I saw was an unmarked Crown Vic.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
Speaking in terms of the Ford universe, some kind of Transit Connect-type vehicle based on old Focus mechanicals that Ford could crank out in the tens of thousands for under $20K apiece. Something that wouldn't be too cramped for the officers' day-in-day-out beat and capable enough to carry arrestees or gear when needed but still be compact and fuel efficient.
Seriously, the Explorer is the type of crossover vehicle where true utility has been sacrificed to appease suburbanites who think that a minivan would cramp their style. Is this what our cash-strapped state should be buying at nearly $30K each? The Transit Connect sells to people with catering businesses and delivery services, people to whom everyday utility and bottom-line cost are paramount.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
Dodge Chargers. Yes, I am a bit Mopar-biased. They need to get up to speed quickly, make quick turns, and be able to carry a "customer" in the back. SUVs are for flipping.
The McClain County (OK) Sheriff's department has a few pickup trucks in their fleet. Try figuring out a use case for those...
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
Glad you asked.
First, I would have the take the very next exit.
Then, I would have them RIP the radar gun out of the vehicle, permanently disable it, and throw it in the trash.
Then, I would have the deal with rape, murder, drug dealing, B&E, robbery, criminal immigration, fraud, theft, and other S E R I O U S crime, at place where such crimes are committed (hint: not on the interstate).
And people would drive, safe and fast, self-regulating on the interstates, at an appropriate speed.
Problem solved.
As to a car. Since we are on Ford, a Focus seems fine. A good pair of Thom McCanns is better.
There are circumstances where having a vehicle which rides high off the ground is beneficial. Cops may at times need to venture somewhere where a road is poorly improved (dirt tracks) or poorly maintained (snowstorm, plow hasn't come by). In these cases an SUV is good to have.
New York (State) is investing in a bunch of new police SUVs for another reason: being higher off the ground gives the cop a clearer perspective of other drivers' laps and thus makes it easier to see if someone is texting while driving.
The UW-Madison Police Dept. has been using the new(ish) Ford Explorer for over a year now. Also, the City of Madison Police Department has been using them for about the same time but only in there unmarked vehicle fleet. Long story short if you see a black newer Ford Explorer pull up behind you in Madison, slow down.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
MI
Crown Vics.
Smart cars, honestly...those blistering 0-60 times which mimic continental drift make it fair.
Crown Vic is out of production.
Plenty of police SUVs out there in the South, and likely any other place where there's rough terrain.
KNX Radio: CHP SUV Collides With Porsche In Studio City (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/23/chp-suv-collides-with-porsche-in-studio-city/)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
indeed. typical European police vehicle:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F78%2FNorway_Police_car.jpg%2F640px-Norway_Police_car.jpg&hash=e5608a680a26bcbe7b75ae8270e160d31bb7ace1)
Also, I spotted these ones here and there. Toyota Corollas used as police car in Israel, Singapore and Armenia
http://longsphotogallery.blogspot.ca/2011/01/toyota-corolla-altis-police-car.html
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Toyota_Corolla_in_police_service
Australia currently use Holdens and Aussie Ford Falcon, but the Aussie Falcon is near the end of the road and will have the same fate as the Crown Victoria.
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/ford_falcon_gt_police_car
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/25/ford-falcon-gt-becomes-australias-most-power-police-car-ever/
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 05:13:11 PM
Glad that California has solved all of its serious crime problems, and can now devote its resources to stomping out these dangerous people. It is certainly important that the cops spend double or triple to have luxury SUVs, so they can out run 98% of other cars, rather than just 95%.
Your tax dollars at waste.
Come on. You guys aren't totally broke yet. The bond market will still lend you money so you might as well try and keep your manhood with the explorer. How are people supposed to respect a cop driving a RAV4?
I was next to a tarus police interceptor at the car wash today. The guy was in a full suit and badge on bis belt. Doubt he needed an interceptor vehicle, but I really don't know sh$t about what most cops do.
Why don't the really rich towns get x5m's or cayenne turbos? It would be tough to outrun those bad boys and they corner a hell of a lot better than an explorer or tahoe.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
Glad you asked.
First, I would have the take the very next exit.
Then, I would have them RIP the radar gun out of the vehicle, permanently disable it, and throw it in the trash.
Then, I would have the deal with rape, murder, drug dealing, B&E, robbery, criminal immigration, fraud, theft, and other S E R I O U S crime, at place where such crimes are committed (hint: not on the interstate).
And people would drive, safe and fast, self-regulating on the interstates, at an appropriate speed.
Problem solved.
As to a car. Since we are on Ford, a Focus seems fine. A good pair of Thom McCanns is better.
I am not a police officer. Never have been and never will be. But consider this - a lot of crime (including serious crime) is detected and suspects arrested as a result of traffic law enforcement.
Two examples:
(1) The late Timothy McVeigh was arrested for driving a vehicle with expired registration plates on I-35 after the Oklahoma City bombing.
(2) In Virginia, violators of the HOV requirements have often ended up under arrest for other things as a result of being stopped for not having two or three persons in the car (it's a cheap ticket in Virginia, especially the first time around). But for many years up to the early 1990's, the District of Columbia had its prison complex in Lorton, Virginia, right next to I-95 (and the I-95 HOV lanes). Over and over again, the Virginia State Police arrested people (including D.C. corrections officers) going to the prisons with various forms of illegal drugs destined for sale in those prisons. All because people insisted on violating the posted HOV rules.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
I am not a police officer. Never have been and never will be. But consider this - a lot of crime (including serious crime) is detected and suspects arrested as a result of traffic law enforcement.
And. Substitute "traffic law enforcement" with "randomly breaking into people's homes and searching them with no probable cause" or "having the NSA read their private mail" or "rounding up the usual suspects and torturing them until they confess" and your argument is just as pointless. The only point you seem to make is that those who are committing the 0.0000001% of serious crime that is committed on expressways should be careful to follow the traffic laws.
Every second spent enforcing traffic is a second not spent looking for, say, Ariel Castro's victims.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 25, 2013, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
I am not a police officer. Never have been and never will be. But consider this - a lot of crime (including serious crime) is detected and suspects arrested as a result of traffic law enforcement.
And. Substitute "traffic law enforcement" with "randomly breaking into people's homes and searching them with no probable cause" or "having the NSA read their private mail" or "rounding up the usual suspects and torturing them until they confess" and your argument is just as pointless. The only point you seem to make is that those who are committing the 0.0000001% of serious crime that is committed on expressways should be careful to follow the traffic laws.
Every second spent enforcing traffic is a second not spent looking for, say, Ariel Castro's victims.
Look, you're not from around here, but very often, someone driving with expired tags, broken taillights, etc. is a criminal. The second most-likely diagnosis is a teenager, but I have seen so many shady characters in broken-down cars, and they end up in the news all the time. I have no problem whatsoever with enforcing those laws. Keep your car legal to operate on the road. I also have no problem with speed enforcement, despite not being someone who necessarily follows speed laws. If it's a law, it's enforceable. That said, it's unwise to waste time pulling people over who are traveling with the flow of traffic. Pull over people who are driving actually unsafely and endangering others. Don't abandon policing the roads and leave it as a free for all.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
Glad you asked.
First, I would have the take the very next exit.
Then, I would have them RIP the radar gun out of the vehicle, permanently disable it, and throw it in the trash.
Then, I would have the deal with rape, murder, drug dealing, B&E, robbery, criminal immigration, fraud, theft, and other S E R I O U S crime, at place where such crimes are committed (hint: not on the interstate).
And people would drive, safe and fast, self-regulating on the interstates, at an appropriate speed.
Problem solved.
As to a car. Since we are on Ford, a Focus seems fine. A good pair of Thom McCanns is better.
I am not a police officer. Never have been and never will be. But consider this - a lot of crime (including serious crime) is detected and suspects arrested as a result of traffic law enforcement.
Two examples:
(1) The late Timothy McVeigh was arrested for driving a vehicle with expired registration plates on I-35 after the Oklahoma City bombing.
(2) In Virginia, violators of the HOV requirements have often ended up under arrest for other things as a result of being stopped for not having two or three persons in the car (it's a cheap ticket in Virginia, especially the first time around). But for many years up to the early 1990's, the District of Columbia had its prison complex in Lorton, Virginia, right next to I-95 (and the I-95 HOV lanes). Over and over again, the Virginia State Police arrested people (including D.C. corrections officers) going to the prisons with various forms of illegal drugs destined for sale in those prisons. All because people insisted on violating the posted HOV rules.
MD state police pulled over one of the 9-11 hijackers only a few days before the attack. Too bad they let him go.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 22, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
The McClain County (OK) Sheriff's department has a few pickup trucks in their fleet. Try figuring out a use case for those...
So does Wagoner County. I've talked to several Wagoner County deputies and they told me the top speed of their trucks (Ford) is 96 MPH. That's a good cruising speed for me.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 22, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
Then, I would have the deal with rape, murder, drug dealing, B&E, robbery, criminal immigration, fraud, theft, and other S E R I O U S crime, at place where such crimes are committed (hint: not on the interstate).
Are you seriously comparing selling weed to rape and murder?
I do agree with you on speeding, however.
Quote from: SP Cook on August 25, 2013, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 25, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
I am not a police officer. Never have been and never will be. But consider this - a lot of crime (including serious crime) is detected and suspects arrested as a result of traffic law enforcement.
And. Substitute "traffic law enforcement" with "randomly breaking into people's homes and searching them with no probable cause" or "having the NSA read their private mail" or "rounding up the usual suspects and torturing them until they confess" and your argument is just as pointless. The only point you seem to make is that those who are committing the 0.0000001% of serious crime that is committed on expressways should be careful to follow the traffic laws.
Yet you believe drugs should be illegal. Freedom for me, fuck you to you.
Quote from: mc78andrew
Why don't the really rich towns get x5m's or cayenne turbos?
Some do have higher-end vehicles converted to interceptor form, but not necessarily SUVs. Prince William and Fairfax, two affluent Virginia counties in the suburbs of DC, each have an undercover Nissan GT-R interceptor.
Folks, let's keep this discussion on the topic of the new CHP vehicles. Leave discussion on how police should do their job/enforce non-traffic laws for PMs or the Off-Topic board. Thanks.
--roadfro
Quote from: formulanone on August 22, 2013, 10:34:49 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 22, 2013, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 22, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
What would you have them drive?
MI
Crown Vics.
Smart cars, honestly...those blistering 0-60 times which mimic continental drift make it fair.
Crown Vic is out of production.
Plenty of police SUVs out there in the South, and likely any other place where there's rough terrain.
Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that the Crown Vic is no more, but the Caprice is back again?
Quote from: Henry on August 26, 2013, 02:19:01 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that the Crown Vic is no more, but the Caprice is back again?
The vehicle being marketed by GM to police agencies in North America with the Chevy Caprice PPV badge is really not related to the "old" Chevy Caprice that GM stopped building in about 1995 or 1996.
This "new" Chevy Caprice is really a LHD
Holden WM Caprice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_WM_Caprice), built in Australia where GM Holden Ltd has been building cars for many decades.
Quote from: Takumi on August 25, 2013, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: mc78andrew
Why don't the really rich towns get x5m's or cayenne turbos?
Some do have higher-end vehicles converted to interceptor form, but not necessarily SUVs. Prince William and Fairfax, two affluent Virginia counties in the suburbs of DC, each have an undercover Nissan GT-R interceptor.
That is awesome. I now have serious respect for those counties. Lets hope they never have to use them as a hostile chase at the speeds that car can travel makes me want to stay at least 2 or 3 counties away!
Wonder why they chose those the Nissan GT-R? I would have loved to be in the procurement meeting where you decide which 100k sports car you are going to buy and then soup it from there. My job sux compared to that!
What would you convert to a police interceptor if you could?
BRPD seems to be moving to the Dodge charger as their police car of choice. I'm not sure what La. SP are purchasing now.
Quote from: mc78andrew on August 26, 2013, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: Takumi on August 25, 2013, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: mc78andrew
Why don't the really rich towns get x5m's or cayenne turbos?
Some do have higher-end vehicles converted to interceptor form, but not necessarily SUVs. Prince William and Fairfax, two affluent Virginia counties in the suburbs of DC, each have an undercover Nissan GT-R interceptor.
That is awesome. I now have serious respect for those counties. Lets hope they never have to use them as a hostile chase at the speeds that car can travel makes me want to stay at least 2 or 3 counties away!
Wonder why they chose those the Nissan GT-R? I would have loved to be in the procurement meeting where you decide which 100k sports car you are going to buy and then soup it from there. My job sux compared to that!
They have to be busting one hell of a counterfeiting ring to cover those $5,000-10,000 GT-R brake jobs. Never mind any engines or transmissions toasted, which aren't covered by warranty when used in the line of police duty.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on August 26, 2013, 07:08:02 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 26, 2013, 02:19:01 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy that the Crown Vic is no more, but the Caprice is back again?
The vehicle being marketed by GM to police agencies in North America with the Chevy Caprice PPV badge is really not related to the "old" Chevy Caprice that GM stopped building in about 1995 or 1996.
This "new" Chevy Caprice is really a LHD Holden WM Caprice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_WM_Caprice), built in Australia where GM Holden Ltd has been building cars for many decades.
Hmm, I find it quite odd that the Caprice and Impala are built off different platforms now. Even 13 years after its 2000 reintroduction, I still don't feel comfortable with the fact that the Impala is a FWD car now.
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2013, 01:10:51 PM
Hmm, I find it quite odd that the Caprice and Impala are built off different platforms now. Even 13 years after its 2000 reintroduction, I still don't feel comfortable with the fact that the Impala is a FWD car now.
I've read the new one is a vast improvement, but the GM10/W-body model handles like a truck...too heavy for the front wheels, but to be fair, it was also a body architecture that debuted in late-1987, and not designed for a 3500+ pound vehicle.
I wish Chevy hadn't brought back the Impala and Malibu names for their current cars. The SS should be the Impala SS (or the Chevelle SS), the Caprice police car should be offered to the public as the top of the line luxury sedan, the Impala should be the Lumina, the Malibu should be the Corsica, and the Cruze should be the Cavalier.
Quote from: bugo on August 27, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
I wish Chevy hadn't brought back the Impala and Malibu names for their current cars. The SS should be the Impala SS (or the Chevelle SS), the Caprice police car should be offered to the public as the top of the line luxury sedan, the Impala should be the Lumina, the Malibu should be the Corsica, and the Cruze should be the Cavalier.
Hell, why not call the Cruze the Vega while we're at it?
Quote from: mc78andrew on August 26, 2013, 10:29:05 PM
Wonder why they chose those the Nissan GT-R? I would have loved to be in the procurement meeting where you decide which 100k sports car you are going to buy and then soup it from there. My job sux compared to that!
As I understand, they're used to combat street racing. As to why they chose the GT-R, I think cost was a factor. A 2013 GT-R costs about $93,000, while other similarly powered cars (M5s/6s, Vipers, higher-end Mustangs and Camaros, etc.) cost thousands, if not tens of thousands more.
Quote
What would you convert to a police interceptor if you could?
I'm partial to an early Honda/Acura NSX. Preferably a lighter-weight Type-R.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fa%2Fa1%2FNSX-policecar.jpg&hash=70fbab742e6d56410dcef810ad9dc3601c3f6053)
Quote from: bugo on August 27, 2013, 01:29:20 PM
I wish Chevy hadn't brought back the Impala and Malibu names for their current cars. The SS should be the Impala SS (or the Chevelle SS), the Caprice police car should be offered to the public as the top of the line luxury sedan, the Impala should be the Lumina, the Malibu should be the Corsica, and the Cruze should be the Cavalier.
Lumina? Corsica? Cavalier? I think GM would prefer that the public forget those nameplates.
As for Impala and Malibu on FWD cars, that's where the industry has gone. Hell, Japanese compact cars used to be RWD. I know. I once owned a '76 Dodge Colt (Mitsubishi). Granted, people in the southern states still love 'em, but RWD only goes so far in a Rust Belt winter.
I read in another forum that California Highway Patrol had a specific reason for choosing the Explorer over any of the police package sedans currently offered. The reason was that CHP carries a larger amount of equipment in their cars than many other police depts. And that none of the police-sedans now made by the big 3 could handle the weight load of all that CHP equipment. So they went with a vehicle that could handle the weight as well as all other requirements that CHP needs.
An interesting comparison is the New York State Police who are testing all 3 American police-sedans now offered. (Dodge Charger, Chevy Caprice, Ford Taurus) Each Troop seems to have been issued one of each type for evaluation. Other police depts. in my area seem to be mostly going with the Ford Taurus.
Re: those small European police sedans, it beats the heck out of me how they are suitable for police use, especially given the standard European practice of 2 officers per car. Must be cramped with a computer in the car too.
And BTW, New York City PD has bought a fleet of Nissan Hybrids which are cramped and are not standing up well to the rigors of 24/7 police use. We could have predicted that, but the City is trying their best to save money.
Quote from: SignBridge on August 27, 2013, 09:20:48 PM
And BTW, New York City PD has bought a fleet of Nissan Hybrids which are cramped and are not standing up well to the rigors of 24/7 police use. We could have predicted that, but the City is trying their best to save money.
Yet, there's plenty of use for the police to use a hybrid, such as events where they'd keep a squad car pointlessly idling for two hours, wasting gas to patrol a barricade protecting a town parade from a side road.
Not that I've ever seen that before, no sirree. :eyebrow:
Quote from: bugo on August 25, 2013, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 22, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
The McClain County (OK) Sheriff's department has a few pickup trucks in their fleet. Try figuring out a use case for those...
So does Wagoner County. I've talked to several Wagoner County deputies and they told me the top speed of their trucks (Ford) is 96 MPH. That's a good cruising speed for me.
Did they say why they had pickups? I had assumed it was because McClain County had some sort of macho redneck thing going on but Wagoner County is somewhat more urbanized.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 28, 2013, 08:08:55 AM
Quote from: bugo on August 25, 2013, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 22, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
The McClain County (OK) Sheriff's department has a few pickup trucks in their fleet. Try figuring out a use case for those...
So does Wagoner County. I've talked to several Wagoner County deputies and they told me the top speed of their trucks (Ford) is 96 MPH. That's a good cruising speed for me.
Did they say why they had pickups? I had assumed it was because McClain County had some sort of macho redneck thing going on but Wagoner County is somewhat more urbanized.
Trust me, parts of semirural Wagoner County is as redneck as it gets.
I think I saw one of the new Chevrolet(Holden) SS police cars here. It was an EBRSO unit.
Quote from: pctech on September 03, 2013, 09:46:17 AM
I think I saw one of the new Chevrolet(Holden) SS police cars here. It was an EBRSO unit.
The Maryland State Police has quite a few of the Holden Caprice cars out.
As best as I can tell, all of them are marked in the standard MSP drab green and black.
Quote from: formulanone on August 27, 2013, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2013, 01:10:51 PM
Hmm, I find it quite odd that the Caprice and Impala are built off different platforms now. Even 13 years after its 2000 reintroduction, I still don't feel comfortable with the fact that the Impala is a FWD car now.
I've read the new one is a vast improvement, but the GM10/W-body model handles like a truck...too heavy for the front wheels, but to be fair, it was also a body architecture that debuted in late-1987, and not designed for a 3500+ pound vehicle.
Those W-Body Impalas are some of the best built cars on the market though. I'd say it was easily the best car on the market for the price, if you're a person that doesn't care about things like driving dynamics and just want an appliance that can haul people around in comfort. Really reliable, well built, pretty good on gas, really cheap to repair, and you could buy them for nothing.