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Title: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on August 27, 2013, 01:38:53 AM
I was driving the other day along Interstate 10 westbound in Redlands, and I saw a mileage sign that showed the 210 freeway as an Interstate. It looks like Caltrans recently added that sign.


Interstate 215 has been widened & has new pavement, but some lanes are still closed & the speed limit is still 55 MPH. There are new overhead signs for the Baseline & 5th Street (CA-66) exits. There are also new overhead signs for the 210 freeway interchange, although still signed as CA-210. To transition from I-215 northbound to CA-210 eastbound, use right lane. To transition from I-215 to CA-210 eastbound use left lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 27, 2013, 01:04:40 PM
I do 215 regularly.  I believe they just now finally replaced those absurdly tiny orange signs, with even more absurdly tinier shields, for the 210/215 split.  once I took the wrong exit because I didn't realize 210 would be a "left exit, to cross right over the freeway" (how is that logical?) - and I couldn't actually read the sign in time.

Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on October 28, 2013, 10:08:09 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/10546181343/
Use right lane for 210 East to asadena. I know its temporary since they are working on the right lane that will be for 210 Eastbound, but did they ran out of tape or stickers.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/10545955165/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/10545992024/in/photostream/
Looks like the orange signs are going to be there a little longer, but they should be gone by the end of this year.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/10503439214/in/photostream/
Exit --> Only
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/10503631563/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/10503437254/in/photostream/
Why not just replace the CA-210 signs already?
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: Henry on October 31, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
So that means the end of CA 30? Great!
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: TheStranger on October 31, 2013, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: Henry on October 31, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
So that means the end of CA 30? Great!

Route 30 has been gone from the freeway for about 3-4 years.  I know there was that Business Route 30 in San Bernardino with stray signs remaining for some time, not sure it's still around.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 31, 2013, 07:30:27 PM
30's been gone since about 2007, no?  so more like 6 years.

there are some stray 30 signs on Baseline, as well as an entire set of Business 18/30 in either San Bernardino or Highland (can't remember exactly where this business loop runs).  there was even the occasional (I counted 3 over the years) 30 shield posted in the construction zone of 210/215!
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: TheStranger on October 31, 2013, 07:45:15 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 31, 2013, 07:30:27 PM
30's been gone since about 2007, no?  so more like 6 years.

IIRC it was decomissioned before that, but not sure when the signage was removed.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on November 01, 2013, 02:34:27 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/5016117502/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/6893302679/
The trailblazer for CA-30 was for the freeway section that was once known as the "Crosstown Freeway" which connected San Bernardino, Highland, & Redlands. That freeway section was from western San Bernardino (Highland Ave & California St) to its eastern terminus in Redlands (at I-10). In 2007 that section was connected to the newer section of the 210 freeway (San Dimas, La Verne, Claremont, Upland, Rancho Cucamonga, Fontana, Rialto, w. San Bernardino). That new trailblazer sign for the 210 freeway is for the entrance at Highland Ave & State St in western San Bernardino.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/4825835786/in/set-72157636991980626/
Highland Ave still has a few Business 30 signs.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/4825226097/in/set-72157636991980626/
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on December 21, 2013, 02:27:25 AM
I-215 southbound widening is complete, while I-215 northbound should be ready probably by New Years.

There is also a HOV exit sign for the Highland Ave & 210 freeway ramps. It shows the 210 as an Interstate. I will get a photo of it soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on January 24, 2014, 07:22:21 PM
http://www.pe.com/local-news/san-bernardino-county/san-bernardino-county-headlines-index/20140124-san-bernardino-widened-interstate-215-opens-after-seven-years.ece

I-215 widening in central San Bernardino (between CA-210 & I-10) has been completed.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SANBAG/Caltrans isnt done yet with I-215.

* I-15 & I-215 Interchange near Devore is being fixed up to reduce commuter traffic.
* The Stop signs at the Palm Ave ramps are being replaced by traffic signals to improve safety.
* The nearby railroad crossing at Palm Ave & Cajon Blvd (Route 66) is being replaced by a bridge.
* I-215 is being widened in Colton & Grand Terrace. The Riverside County equivalent of SANBAG  will take over at the county line.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: andy3175 on January 25, 2014, 04:54:58 AM
Quote from: jfs1988 on January 24, 2014, 07:22:21 PM
* I-215 is being widened in Colton & Grand Terrace. The Riverside County equivalent of SANBAG  will take over at the county line.

Yes, I found info on the RCTC webpage:

http://rctc.org/projects/interstate-215/i-215-bi-county-hov-project

QuoteThe project will close an 8-mile gap in HOV lanes between Riverside and San Bernardino counties. I-215 currently has three lanes in each direction on this section of freeway. The HOV lane addition will occur by re-constructing the outside and inside freeway shoulders and restriping the lanes to allow for three general purpose lanes and one new carpool lane in each direction.

Two railroad bridges will be rebuilt and bridges crossing the Union Pacific railroad tracks, I-10, and the Santa Ana River will be widened. Improvements to interchanges at Barton Road in Grand Terrace and Washington/Mt. Vernon in Colton are planned.

Construction end of this segment (I-10 south to CA 91/CA 60) is Summer 2015.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on January 26, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
New overhead signs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159033076/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159000296/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12158285615/in/photostream/
A trailblazer/reassurance sign with a green CA-210 shield & blue TO & West markers.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: TheStranger on January 27, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: jfs1988 on January 26, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
New overhead signs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159033076/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159000296/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12158285615/in/photostream/
A trailblazer/reassurance sign with a green CA-210 shield & blue TO & West markers.

Question: Has 259 ever been signed in the field in any way?  I know in the last decade or so, several previously hidden state routes (262, 112, 77 in the East Bay, 114 in the Peninsula) have suddenly received some signage.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: sdmichael on January 27, 2014, 12:33:12 PM
Yes, 259 is/was signed. I've seen photos and the sign in person.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on January 27, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
The little white signs on bridges have it as CA-259.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: sdmichael on January 27, 2014, 04:01:29 PM
There was also at least one shield heading southbound not long after the curve from the 210.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: TheStranger on January 27, 2014, 04:50:37 PM
Found an October 2011 photo I took of an Interstate 210 sign along 215 north:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/309248_10100543497224033_1877696128_n.jpg

Wonder how long this was up before the interchange work ended.  What the construction looked like back then:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/297934_10100543497348783_467105584_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/291834_10100543497478523_642260098_n.jpg

Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: jfs1988 on January 28, 2014, 02:27:59 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on January 27, 2014, 04:50:37 PM
Found an October 2011 photo I took of an Interstate 210 sign along 215 north:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/309248_10100543497224033_1877696128_n.jpg

Wonder how long this was up before the interchange work ended.  What the construction looked like back then:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1/297934_10100543497348783_467105584_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/291834_10100543497478523_642260098_n.jpg

Good thing that nightmare is over. That interchange was accident prone & had lots of potholes. I actually got a bent wheel once.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: mrsman on January 29, 2014, 07:47:35 PM
I've always wondered about the little connector freeway CA-259.  It seems to me that it would be better if this freeway were an extension of CA-18.  For one thing, it will follow the historic routing of CA-18 which used to extend south from here, following the CA-91 corridor to Orange County.  Another thing, is that it will take the CA-18 off the local streets in the area so that they are no longer under Caltrans' jurisdiction. 

As seen from the discussion upthread, it is useful for the signage to reflect the actual route of the freeway so that paper maps, GPS systems, and the highway signs all conform.  There is no way to make this connector freeway have an I-215 south shield and a CA-210 East shield on a paper map, since this road is neither 210 nor 215.  So it must be signed as a different highway.  And CA-18 is more familiar to more people as the road to the San Bernardino Mountains and is a more prominent designation than CA-259.  Furthermore, if you drive on the connector north, you merge into 210 east from the right and the first exit is CA-18, it is very clearly a continuation of the routing.

The pull through signage can look like this:

From I-215:  CA-18 north TO CA-210 East Highland / Mountain Resorts

From CA-210:  CA-18 south to I-215 south Riverside

The ben
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 29, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: jfs1988 on January 28, 2014, 02:27:59 AM
Good thing that nightmare is over. That interchange was accident prone & had lots of potholes. I actually got a bent wheel once.

it was terrible.  a new configuration every week.  lots of "luge courses" - jersey barriers on either side of two lanes with no shoulder, with rapid lane shifts.  I once counted seven full lane shifts in the span of 3/4 of a mile... all with speed of traffic 80mph.  sometimes I wondered if the people who just went ahead and took up both lanes had the right idea.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: emory on January 29, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: mrsman on January 29, 2014, 07:47:35 PM
I've always wondered about the little connector freeway CA-259.  It seems to me that it would be better if this freeway were an extension of CA-18.  For one thing, it will follow the historic routing of CA-18 which used to extend south from here, following the CA-91 corridor to Orange County.  Another thing, is that it will take the CA-18 off the local streets in the area so that they are no longer under Caltrans' jurisdiction.

CA 18 terminates at the 210 freeway, so this suggestion would simply extend it further south, meaning it won't remove the state route from any local roads.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: NE2 on January 29, 2014, 11:47:55 PM
259 was part of 18 in 1964-1965.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: Desert Man on February 06, 2014, 08:06:05 PM
The 259 is a very short freeway for less than half a mile, but anyone knew the 259 should gone across the San Bernardino Mountains? I have an old wall map of San Bernardino dated 1968 from my grandparents who lived there at the time, and it shown 259 was part of the proposed 18 highway. The 210 freeway is more necessary to connect with more populated cities west of San Bernardino to the L.A. County line, thus Caltrans approved the 210 along Highland Avenue (CA route 30)...but at the I-215 intersection, the 210 becomes 30. 
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: andy3175 on November 21, 2015, 01:39:53 AM
The I-215 Devore Improvement Project -- including a new truck bypass and realignment of I-15 through lanes -- is now considered "90% done" (construction began in June 2013):

Project Webpage: http://www.devoreinterchangeproject.com/

Article: http://www.desertdispatch.com/article/20151030/NEWS/151039992

QuotePosted Oct. 30, 2015 at 4:25 PM

The $324 million Devore Interchange Project is now 90 percent complete, according to Caltrans.

Though not scheduled to be finished until mid-2016, it looks like this massive project will get done sooner than expected. That is mighty good news for all the thousands of Cajon Pass commuters who traverse Interstates 15 and 215 every weekday. It's been more than two years since workers broke ground on this project.

According to Caltrans spokeswoman Tyeisha Prunty, here is what's left to be completed by the Atkinson Contractors, LP workers:

1. To complete the Cajon Boulevard portion of the project, Cajon Boulevard must be paved, I-15 overcrossing/bridges must be widened and retaining walls erected. I-15 must be widened over Cajon Boulevard in both directions as well, and pavement rehabilitation must be completed "on the mainline of I-15 southbound to I-215 southbound."

2. Retaining walls must be erected for the Devore on-ramp for I-215 northbound and the I-15 southbound connector ramp.

3. Retaining walls, tunnel paint and pavement work must be done on the Devore on-ramp for I-15 northbound.
According to Prunty, the majority of work that might affect traffic in the Cajon Pass will be completed by early February, weather permitting.

The looming El Nino season could be a wild card in all of this, of course. If the storms are frequent and as bad as predicted, it would be natural to expect that February timeline to be pushed back.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: pctech on December 04, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on January 27, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: jfs1988 on January 26, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
New overhead signs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159033076/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159000296/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12158285615/in/photostream/
A trailblazer/reassurance sign with a green CA-210 shield & blue TO & West markers.

Question: Has 259 ever been signed in the field in any way?  I know in the last decade or so, several previously hidden state routes (262, 112, 77 in the East Bay, 114 in the Peninsula) have suddenly received some signage.

The signs on the first post (exit 46 Highlands) appear to violate CA's  uniform freeway sign height rule. Yes? Or am I confused about the rule?


Fixed duplicate quoting. --Roadfro
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: myosh_tino on December 04, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: pctech on December 04, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on January 27, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: jfs1988 on January 26, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
New overhead signs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159033076/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12159000296/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfs1988/12158285615/in/photostream/
A trailblazer/reassurance sign with a green CA-210 shield & blue TO & West markers.

Question: Has 259 ever been signed in the field in any way?  I know in the last decade or so, several previously hidden state routes (262, 112, 77 in the East Bay, 114 in the Peninsula) have suddenly received some signage.

The signs on the first post (exit 46 Highlands) appear to violate CA's  uniform freeway sign height rule. Yes? Or am I confused about the rule?

That photo was discussed in another topic (although I forget which one) and there are a couple of interesting things about those signs...

1. Yes, it does violate the same-height policy
2. The middle sign exceeds the 120-inch tall guide sign policy.

I'm not sure if the polices have been changed at Caltrans or this is a one-off.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: pctech on December 04, 2015, 01:38:16 PM
Maybe Caltrans  has changed it's sign height policy. It does allow the exit number to be embedded without "eating up" the rest of the sign.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: Quillz on December 04, 2015, 01:43:08 PM
Quote from: andy3175 on November 21, 2015, 01:39:53 AM
The I-215 Devore Improvement Project -- including a new truck bypass and realignment of I-15 through lanes -- is now considered "90% done" (construction began in June 2013):

Project Webpage: http://www.devoreinterchangeproject.com/

Article: http://www.desertdispatch.com/article/20151030/NEWS/151039992

QuotePosted Oct. 30, 2015 at 4:25 PM

The $324 million Devore Interchange Project is now 90 percent complete, according to Caltrans.

Though not scheduled to be finished until mid-2016, it looks like this massive project will get done sooner than expected. That is mighty good news for all the thousands of Cajon Pass commuters who traverse Interstates 15 and 215 every weekday. It's been more than two years since workers broke ground on this project.

According to Caltrans spokeswoman Tyeisha Prunty, here is what's left to be completed by the Atkinson Contractors, LP workers:

1. To complete the Cajon Boulevard portion of the project, Cajon Boulevard must be paved, I-15 overcrossing/bridges must be widened and retaining walls erected. I-15 must be widened over Cajon Boulevard in both directions as well, and pavement rehabilitation must be completed "on the mainline of I-15 southbound to I-215 southbound."

2. Retaining walls must be erected for the Devore on-ramp for I-215 northbound and the I-15 southbound connector ramp.

3. Retaining walls, tunnel paint and pavement work must be done on the Devore on-ramp for I-15 northbound.
According to Prunty, the majority of work that might affect traffic in the Cajon Pass will be completed by early February, weather permitting.

The looming El Nino season could be a wild card in all of this, of course. If the storms are frequent and as bad as predicted, it would be natural to expect that February timeline to be pushed back.
I was just at this interchange on Monday, as I was heading to Barstow, and it was actually navigable. When I was last there back in July, it was horrible. There was barely any lane striping whatsoever, and the concrete clearly had been realigned several times, further obscuring any striping. I was pretty nervous being in the center lane.
Title: Re: Interstate 215 & probably resigned Interstate 210 near completion
Post by: myosh_tino on December 04, 2015, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: pctech on December 04, 2015, 01:38:16 PM
Maybe Caltrans  has changed it's sign height policy. It does allow the exit number to be embedded without "eating up" the rest of the sign.

Maybe but until I see more evidence, I'll still consider this a "one-off".