I am not sure where to post this, but I was wondering why the regional boards split states in half. particularly the Ohio and Great lakes board. the states of Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois, Ohio and New York are split in half. Geographically speaking it may make more sense for New York, but not necessarily Ill, Ind or, Ohio. For instance if someone wants to post something about the I-465 / I-69 north split does that go into the great lakes board while the I-465/65 south split would go in the Ohio board. it seems that Indianapolis is a city divided between these two boards. Any pointers. Not sure why the dividing lines were not along the state lines. :hmmm:
Well, Northeast says just "New York" and "Pennsylvania", meaning it's not split in the Northeast board but it is in the other.
Really, more specifically, there could be problems with statewide threads. It seems like the de facto board for Minnesota highways is the Great Lakes, since the eastern part of MN is where the vast majority of people live. Furthermore, I guess you could argue that California north of the Bay Area has more in common with the Pacific Northwest than the Pacific Southwest. Nonetheless, I'm ok with the current setup. Why fix something that isn't broken?
At least in my home state of PA, it makes sense to split the state up. The Erie part of the state is more like the Great Lakes states, the Pittsburgh part of the state is more like the Ohio Valley (the river starts there), and the remainder of the state is more like the Northeast.
That said, if I want to find PA-specific info, it can be a little cumbersome. But I can deal with either way. And I like knowing what's going on in states around me, too.
For PA I'd say PennDOT Region 1 would be Great Lakes, 2, 9, 10, 11, 12 could be the Ohio Valley, and 3 through 8 the Northeast. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6AYwWZmobas/UGH-t55koCI/AAAAAAAAB4o/y-BtaBJvcvs/s320/penndot_district_map.jpg)
In defense of my choice for district 2, I submit the Allegheny flows through there which becomes the Ohio... District 2 is really its own little world.
It's a "meta" topic, so I'll stick it here in Welcome.
We've had a lot of discussions as to how to split boards. Part of the problem is the states themselves. Pennsylvania is a perfect example. Philadelphia is unquestionably in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic region (see, there's even a problem right there!), while Pittsburgh is unquestionably in the Great Lakes/Ohio Valley region (see, another problem!). In most cases, it's fairly obvious where to post something - Cleveland to Great Lakes, Cincinnati to Ohio Valley. So what about Columbus? Some people may see it one way, some may see it another.
It's not a perfect system. There are two ways to do it. One is, divide each region into whole states. Now you know exactly where to post your information for a given state, but if you're interested in a particular region, you may get lost. If we divide Nebraska and Iowa, for example, Council Bluffs and Omaha end up in separate boards, despite being the same metro area. That's why we went with the regional approach. If you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:26:49 PMIf you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
I've had this trouble every so often. if I post something like "any surviving Ohio state-named interstates left?", where does that go?
Memphis is another weird animal. It's included in Mid-South but could also belong on the Southeast board. It could go either way depending on the I-22 and I-69 discussions.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:26:49 PMIf you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
I've had this trouble every so often. if I post something like "any surviving Ohio state-named interstates left?", where does that go?
I'd probably post about it in one board, and link to the discussion on the other board in a separate post, and a mod will come along and lock it.
No, scratch that, reverse it. In one board, say "Any surviving Great Lakes area Ohio state-named interstates left?" and in the other, "Any surviving Ohio Valley area..."
I assume you can't set the forum software to allow a crosspost between forums, where the same topic shows in both?
Quote from: NE2 on September 09, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
I assume you can't set the forum software to allow a crosspost between forums, where the same topic shows in both?
That would be ideal for Columbus or Indianapolis posts. But I can imagine people abusing such a feature. Maybe (should the feature exist at all) make it available to mods only, to apply to threads after they are created.
How about almost ditching the Great Lakes board altogether. All PA and NY posts go to Northeast, all IL, IN, and OH posts go to OH valley; MN, WI, and MI posts can go to a new "Northwoods" board, which Rawmustard would now control. All LA posts go to Mid-South, all TN posts go to Southeast, and all WV posts go to Mid-Atlantic... Just an idea...
This has been discussed ad nauseum at least 3 times since the forum opened. At this point, might as well just leave things as-is. It's not like the mods haven't had a problem moving threads if they need to be moved...
Quote from: Molandfreak on September 09, 2013, 11:55:45 PM
How about almost ditching the Great Lakes board altogether. All PA and NY posts go to Northeast, all IL, IN, and OH posts go to OH valley; MN, WI, and MI posts can go to a new "Northwoods" board, which Rawmustard would now control. All LA posts go to Mid-South, all TN posts go to Southeast, and all WV posts go to Mid-Atlantic... Just an idea...
Agree, with a couple modifications: instead of "Northwoods" how about just plain "Midwest" or "Upper Midwest", containing WI, MN, IA, IL, MI, IN.
I say leave it as it is, or completely reform the regional definitions. In the case of the latter, how about using this 38-region regime:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tjc.com%2F38states%2F38states.jpg&hash=b8051438f53bc73a954711eac034ce68f4593c28)
For the most part, Indianapolis-specific discussions have been going in the Great Lakes section. Perhaps the mods could modify the GL description from "northern Indiana" to "northern and central Indiana".
Indy and C-bus are easy. They go in Ohio Valley because if you pee on the ground in one of those cities, it will eventually flow into the Ohio River and not the St. Lawrence.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:26:49 PMIf you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
I've had this trouble every so often. if I post something like "any surviving Ohio state-named interstates left?", where does that go?
That's easy. Traffic Control. :bigass:
Quote from: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
Indy and C-bus are easy. They go in Ohio Valley because if you pee on the ground in one of those cities, it will eventually flow into the Ohio River and not the St. Lawrence.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:26:49 PMIf you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
I've had this trouble every so often. if I post something like "any surviving Ohio state-named interstates left?", where does that go?
That's easy. Traffic Control. :bigass:
Using that standard, all but the northernmost 10 miles of Indiana would go in Ohio Valley.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
Indy and C-bus are easy. They go in Ohio Valley because if you pee on the ground in one of those cities, it will eventually flow into the Ohio River and not the St. Lawrence.
Since when are we using hydrography basins to demarcate regions? I'll go with a cultural argument. Dayton, Circleville, Zanesville, perhaps Steubenville and maybe even East Liverpool go in Ohio Valley, because they're more culturally aligned with southern Ohio. Columbus is decidedly more northern, so it goes in Great Lakes. Toss-ups might include Lima, Springfield, Marion, Coshocton.
Regarding Indiana, I'm less certain, but I'd guess Indianapolis goes in Great Lakes while Terre Haute and Richmond go in Ohio Valley.
(Actually, culturally speaking, I'd say Ohio's main division is four-way: urban, suburban, farming, and hunting.)
I'm with Froggie--I think the stability that comes from the current arrangement, flawed as it is, is more beneficial than the theoretical gains from any of the reform plans that have been laid out.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 10, 2013, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
Indy and C-bus are easy. They go in Ohio Valley because if you pee on the ground in one of those cities, it will eventually flow into the Ohio River and not the St. Lawrence.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:26:49 PMIf you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
I've had this trouble every so often. if I post something like "any surviving Ohio state-named interstates left?", where does that go?
That's easy. Traffic Control. :bigass:
Using that standard, all but the northernmost 10 miles of Indiana would go in Ohio Valley.
Not exactly. A substantial chunk of northwestern Indiana is in the Kankakee Valley. The Kankakee River empties into the Illinois, not the Ohio. In fact, if I take a leak on the south side of South Bend, I've got a 50/50 chance of it trickling into the Kankakee or the St. Joseph (and on to Lake Michigan).
That being said, I've got no problem with the current arrangement of boards.
Quote from: theline on September 10, 2013, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 10, 2013, 10:12:01 AM
Using that standard, all but the northernmost 10 miles of Indiana would go in Ohio Valley.
Not exactly. A substantial chunk of northwestern Indiana is in the Kankakee Valley. The Kankakee River empties into the Illinois, not the Ohio. In fact, if I take a leak on the south side of South Bend, I've got a 50/50 chance of it trickling into the Kankakee or the St. Joseph (and on to Lake Michigan).
So it's even less than the northernmost 10 miles (and according to Wikipedia the Kankakee watershed even enters Michigan). Given that no watershed boundary will exactly follow a line 10 miles from a state line (unless the state line is defined that way - similar to MA-NH and the Merrimack) it's obvious that cabiness was approximating.
Quote from: NE2 on September 09, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
I assume you can't set the forum software to allow a crosspost between forums, where the same topic shows in both?
No such feature to allow something like that to be done.
Quote from: vtk on September 10, 2013, 03:12:50 AM
I say leave it as it is, or completely reform the regional definitions. In the case of the latter, how about using this 38-region regime:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tjc.com%2F38states%2F38states.jpg&hash=b8051438f53bc73a954711eac034ce68f4593c28)
The Arkansas delta has nothing to do with the Ozarks. Also, this map puts Tulsa in a different region than NW Arkansas, while in reality they have a lot in common and there are many connections between the two areas.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
Indy and C-bus are easy. They go in Ohio Valley because if you pee on the ground in one of those cities, it will eventually flow into the Ohio River and not the St. Lawrence.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 09, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Steve on September 09, 2013, 09:26:49 PMIf you want to post about something that affects an entire state, it gets fuzzy, but it's the lesser of two fuzzinesses.
I've had this trouble every so often. if I post something like "any surviving Ohio state-named interstates left?", where does that go?
That's easy. Traffic Control. :bigass:
Quote from: hbelkins on September 10, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
Indy and C-bus are easy. They go in Ohio Valley because if you pee on the ground in one of those cities, it will eventually flow into the Ohio River and not the St. Lawrence.
Did you pee on the ground in Indianapolis? Rumor is that you farted at the Ashland meet.
You must have me mistaken for someone else who was at Ashland. :-D
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 10, 2013, 07:53:12 AM
For the most part, Indianapolis-specific discussions have been going in the Great Lakes section. Perhaps the mods could modify the GL description from "northern Indiana" to "northern and central Indiana".
I actually think this is a really good Idea since Indy has more in common with Ft wayne, NWI and Chicago. than it does with the cities along the Ohio...
Quote from: vtk on September 10, 2013, 03:12:50 AM
I say leave it as it is, or completely reform the regional definitions. In the case of the latter, how about using this 38-region regime:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tjc.com%2F38states%2F38states.jpg&hash=b8051438f53bc73a954711eac034ce68f4593c28)
What's the boundary between Cascade and Bitterroot supposed to be? It looks like it's about 75 miles east of the crest of the Cascades.
That was just somebody trying to draw regions that had a lot in common with each other. None of the lines actually follow any sort of geographical feature.
That being said, 38 subforums would be entirely too many to navigate. Even 20 would probably be a few too many. 10 to 15 is probably optimal.
As someone from Indianapolis who had always had to consider which board to put what in I took a look at the forums we had and thought about something. Granted, if keeping what we have the best option then that's fine with me. However the problems all seem to stem from the Ohio Valley board. Why not just get rid of that board altogether. Move all of Illinois, Indiana and Ohio into the Midwest-Great Lakes board, send Kentucky to the Southeast board (Kentucky is in the SEC afterall,) West Viriginia to Mid-Atlantic and all of western PA to the Midwest-Great Lakes board. Merely a thought here that's all, I'll leave all decision in the capable hands of those that control this forum.
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 11, 2013, 09:41:10 PM
As someone from Indianapolis who had always had to consider which board to put what in I took a look at the forums we had and thought about something. Granted, if keeping what we have the best option then that's fine with me. However the problems all seem to stem from the Ohio Valley board. Why not just get rid of that board altogether. Move all of Illinois, Indiana and Ohio into the Midwest-Great Lakes board, send Kentucky to the Southeast board (Kentucky is in the SEC afterall,) West Viriginia to Mid-Atlantic and all of western PA to the Midwest-Great Lakes board. Merely a thought here that's all, I'll leave all decision in the capable hands of those that control this forum.
That is a possible solution, but then we have kentuckiana being split and same with the Owensboro/Evansville and Henderson being split up as well. I say anything along a line approximately between Columbus IN Vincennes and below should be in the Ohio Board. and Central in the Great lakes. That makes sense too. I am not sure that there isnt a need for the Ohio Valley board. However I agree that splitting northwestern and southwestern PA doesn't make as much sense since they are so close together, and Ohio (except for Cincinnati and right along the Ohio River is mostly autonomous to the great lakes region (including Columbus and Dayton) As with other people that have posted there really isnt a "clean" way to divide all this up.
One possible solution would be to move the section boundaries to state lines, and then when metro areas fall on the boundaries, arbitrarily select one of the boards to use for the entire area. Probably by using wherever the anchor city of that metro area is. So Evansville/Owensboro/Henderson would go into the board Indiana ends up in, Louisville and environs would go to Kentucky, Cincinnati and environs would go to Ohio, etc.
Another option would be to ignore metro areas completely since projects are administered by different DOTs in different states. So if KS and MO ended up in separate boards, KDOT projects would end up in one board and MoDOT projects in the other. Then the only arbitrariness would be what do with things like bridges spanning the river between the states.
And if for some reason a state remains split, try to divide it along DOT district boundaries maybe?
I think the biggest problem with the regions as we have them now, is there are some parts of some states that are claimed by multiple regions. I'll volunteer to create a clear, authoritative map once we get that cleared up and decide on other changes, if any.
I think it's easiest to just leave things alone.
If I'm interested in an area that's in the border between two regions, I'll just scan both region's posts.
However, this is a fun topic. If I were designing this from scratch, I would not divide any states into separate regions.
Here is my hypothetical proposal:
Northeast (NY,NJ,CT,RI,MA,VT,NH,ME)
Mid-Atlantic (PA,DE,MD,DC,VA,WV)
Southeast (NC,SC,GA,FL,TN,AL,MS)
Mid-South (TX,OK,LA,AR)
Midwest (OH,MI,IN,IL,WI,KY)
Central (ND,SD,NE,KS,MN,IA,MO)
Mountain West (MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM)
NW (WA,OR,ID,AK)
Pac SW (HI,CA,NV)
Yes, under my scheme certain metro areas will be in two regions (Philly, St. Louis, and Memphis), however, I'd say in that case any general Philly topics that cover the entire Philly metro (PA,NJ, and DE) should be discussed in Mid-Atlantic since the city of Philadelphia is in PA. Of course, someone with interest in the entire Philly area should scan both forums.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 11, 2013, 11:36:24 AM
You must have me mistaken for someone else who was at Ashland. :-D
The smeller is the feller.
Since the subject has come up again here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12542.150)...
I dunno, I've always felt that crossing from Maryland into Virginia is momentous enough that it's clearly the border between something and something. It's where you leave the last of the small states. It's where you cross from the Union into the Confederacy. It's where you pass the nation's capital which was clearly placed so as to be at what was the logical center of the country circa 1800.
To me Maryland and Delaware are "northeast" while Virginia is "the south" (I don't really recognize "mid-atlantic" as a thing)
If I had to group states I would do it as follows.
Northeast: ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD
The South: VA, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN
Midwest/Appalachia: OH, IN, IL, MI, WI, MN, KY, WV
The Plains: IA, MO, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK
Rocky Mountain/Pacific Northwest: CO, WY, MT, WA, OR, ID
Southwest: TX, NM, AZ, UT, NV, CA
Outlying US: AK, HI, PR, USVI, Guam, etc.
This avoids splitting states while keeping territories reasonably shaped and semi-consistent with cultural regions... although in some cases the last part is difficult. West Virginia and Kentucky don't categorize well. Neither does Texas. Or California (I'd argue that the Pacific Northwest begins with Marin county).
QuoteI dunno, I've always felt that crossing from Maryland into Virginia is momentous enough that it's clearly the border between something and something. It's where you leave the last of the small states. It's where you cross from the Union into the Confederacy. It's where you pass the nation's capital which was clearly placed so as to be at what was the logical center of the country circa 1800.
And all of that went away with DC-area development. Because of said growth over the last 60 years, Northern Virginia has far more in common with Maryland than with the rest of the state....something most people throughout the Old Dominion recognize. The "dividing line" between NoVA and RoVA ("Rest of Virginia") is the Rappahannock.
Also, and this is especially true east of I-95, Maryland, eastern Virginia, and even eastern North Carolina are pretty similar culturally. There's a noticeably distinct Mid-Atlantic culture that you just don't see up in NYC.
Lastly, it should be noted that Maryland is still south of the Mason-Dixon.
Quote from: froggie on August 05, 2014, 07:35:53 AM
QuoteI dunno, I've always felt that crossing from Maryland into Virginia is momentous enough that it's clearly the border between something and something. It's where you leave the last of the small states. It's where you cross from the Union into the Confederacy. It's where you pass the nation's capital which was clearly placed so as to be at what was the logical center of the country circa 1800.
And all of that went away with DC-area development. Because of said growth over the last 60 years, Northern Virginia has far more in common with Maryland than with the rest of the state....something most people throughout the Old Dominion recognize. The "dividing line" between NoVA and RoVA ("Rest of Virginia") is the Rappahannock.
Also, and this is especially true east of I-95, Maryland, eastern Virginia, and even eastern North Carolina are pretty similar culturally. There's a noticeably distinct Mid-Atlantic culture that you just don't see up in NYC.
Lastly, it should be noted that Maryland is still south of the Mason-Dixon.
I would argue that NoVA stay in the Mid-Atlantic board whilst the rest of VA is put into the Southeast board.
Kentucky thinks of itself as the southeast, probably because of UK's long membership in the SEC. I think Kentucky has more in common culturally with North Carolina than Illinois, Missouri (and even, to an extent, Indiana and Ohio) even though we share a border with those four states and not with NC.
Quote from: froggie on August 05, 2014, 07:35:53 AMAlso, and this is especially true east of I-95, Maryland, eastern Virginia, and even eastern North Carolina are pretty similar culturally. There's a noticeably distinct Mid-Atlantic culture that you just don't see up in NYC.
Lastly, it should be noted that Maryland is still south of the Mason-Dixon.
You just need to be from New Jersey to understand this. In the old days it was East Jersey (Northeast) and West Jersey (Middle Atlantic). Then it was 609 vs. 201, Philly suburbs vs. New York suburbs, Eagles fans vs. people who walk upright. I remember going to Cape May and resisting the instinct to ask people if they were from Philly as a natural reaction to their speech, because in North Jersey we had no concept of what happened below the Raritan and liked it that way.
One state, two regions. Delaware looks like Eastern Shore Virginia and has more chickens than hills. It may not be Southern, but it's no relative of New York or Boston.
I want to see that map redrawn by dialect/speech patterns. These are better cultural indicators than rivers and such.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 05, 2014, 06:20:56 PMI want to see that map redrawn by dialect/speech patterns. These are better cultural indicators than rivers and such.
Those of us who live in linguistic contact territory would find ourselves living on top of borders.
Quote from: Thing 342 on August 05, 2014, 10:33:52 AM
I would argue that NoVA stay in the Mid-Atlantic board whilst the rest of VA is put into the Southeast board.
The very recent split of Mississippi (northern Mississippi in Mid-South and southern Mississippi in Southeast) has achieved a similar result for Memphis (western Tennessee was already in Mid-South).
Reminds me of the old Memphis Tams ABA basketball team (TAM is the acronym for Tennessee-Arkansas-Mississippi).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F37IgPU3.png&hash=7253566d8f5017b9f1c71632e4add5c7be5c7eca)
I grew up in eastern North Carolina and I personally feel more of a connection to Virginia and Maryland than to Alabama or Mississippi. Historically, NC and VA (and to a lesser extent TN) were bonded as upper Southern states. Our economies were less dependent on slave labor than our neighbors to the South. North Carolina even has less of a crusty landed upper class than South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama....et. al.
North Carolina and Virginia are more sister states than the Carolinas could ever be. Their policies have often mirrored each other, they share an emphasis on superior higher education and have invested heavily in developing an economy independent of agriculture. They are also bound by the Blue Ridge Mountains. The oldest rivalry in the South is even between the University of North Carolina and University of Virginia.
I could make a solid argument for including NC in the Mid-Atlantic board based on historical cultural ties. My family migrated to North Carolina before the American Revolution so I take seriously the desire to not be lumped in with those to the south. :P
Here's my own idea for regional board reconfigurations...
New England: CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT
Mid-Atlantic: DE, MD, NJ, NY, PA, VA, WV
Southeast: FL, GA, NC, SC
Great Lakes/Ohio Valley: IL, IN, KY, MI, OH, WI
Midwest: IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD
Deep South: AL, AR, LA, MS, TN
Southwest: AZ, NM, OK, TX
Mountain: CO, ID, MT, NV, UT, WY
Pacific: AK, CA, HI, OR, WA
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 05, 2014, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 05, 2014, 07:35:53 AMAlso, and this is especially true east of I-95, Maryland, eastern Virginia, and even eastern North Carolina are pretty similar culturally. There's a noticeably distinct Mid-Atlantic culture that you just don't see up in NYC.
Lastly, it should be noted that Maryland is still south of the Mason-Dixon.
You just need to be from New Jersey to understand this. In the old days it was East Jersey (Northeast) and West Jersey (Middle Atlantic). Then it was 609 vs. 201, Philly suburbs vs. New York suburbs, Eagles fans vs. people who walk upright. I remember going to Cape May and resisting the instinct to ask people if they were from Philly as a natural reaction to their speech, because in North Jersey we had no concept of what happened below the Raritan and liked it that way.
Central Jersey is the best of both worlds. Many argue there's no Central Jersey, but I believe that's false. I read in article that Hillsborough is the "true" geographic center of New Jersey, so I think everything that's south of I-78, and north of I-195 constitutes as central Jersey. Some people say that Central Jersey is actually just North Jersey, but I heavily disagree with that, because I feel I don't have any New York influence, nor Philadelphia influence. The only Philadelphia influence I have is liking the Eagles, but if I like a Los Angeles team, do I have an LA influence too? I don't think you can call sports team an influence of an area, even if it's close by. Camden and Philadelphia are both totally different places (and I'm not talking about which one is the biggest ghetto) despite being separated by about 5 miles or so.
Quote from: Zeffy on August 07, 2014, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 05, 2014, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 05, 2014, 07:35:53 AMAlso, and this is especially true east of I-95, Maryland, eastern Virginia, and even eastern North Carolina are pretty similar culturally. There's a noticeably distinct Mid-Atlantic culture that you just don't see up in NYC.
Lastly, it should be noted that Maryland is still south of the Mason-Dixon.
You just need to be from New Jersey to understand this. In the old days it was East Jersey (Northeast) and West Jersey (Middle Atlantic). Then it was 609 vs. 201, Philly suburbs vs. New York suburbs, Eagles fans vs. people who walk upright. I remember going to Cape May and resisting the instinct to ask people if they were from Philly as a natural reaction to their speech, because in North Jersey we had no concept of what happened below the Raritan and liked it that way.
Central Jersey is the best of both worlds. Many argue there's no Central Jersey, but I believe that's false. I read in article that Hillsborough is the "true" geographic center of New Jersey, so I think everything that's south of I-78, and north of I-195 constitutes as central Jersey. Some people say that Central Jersey is actually just North Jersey, but I heavily disagree with that, because I feel I don't have any New York influence, nor Philadelphia influence. The only Philadelphia influence I have is liking the Eagles, but if I like a Los Angeles team, do I have an LA influence too? I don't think you can call sports team an influence of an area, even if it's close by. Camden and Philadelphia are both totally different places (and I'm not talking about which one is the biggest ghetto) despite being separated by about 5 miles or so.
Central Jersey is a myth by South Jersey dwellers who wish they could be part of the happening North. If you think that's Northward bias, tell me the good restaurants south of the Raritan that aren't fancy dress.
QuoteIf you think that's Northward bias, tell me the good restaurants south of the Raritan that aren't fancy dress.
Prestige Diner...;)
(and I'm not even a New Jerseyan)
The only thing North Jersey has is a lot of traffic. And a nude beach. LOL
Quote from: Alps on August 07, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on August 07, 2014, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on August 05, 2014, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 05, 2014, 07:35:53 AMAlso, and this is especially true east of I-95, Maryland, eastern Virginia, and even eastern North Carolina are pretty similar culturally. There's a noticeably distinct Mid-Atlantic culture that you just don't see up in NYC.
Lastly, it should be noted that Maryland is still south of the Mason-Dixon.
You just need to be from New Jersey to understand this. In the old days it was East Jersey (Northeast) and West Jersey (Middle Atlantic). Then it was 609 vs. 201, Philly suburbs vs. New York suburbs, Eagles fans vs. people who walk upright. I remember going to Cape May and resisting the instinct to ask people if they were from Philly as a natural reaction to their speech, because in North Jersey we had no concept of what happened below the Raritan and liked it that way.
Central Jersey is the best of both worlds. Many argue there's no Central Jersey, but I believe that's false. I read in article that Hillsborough is the "true" geographic center of New Jersey, so I think everything that's south of I-78, and north of I-195 constitutes as central Jersey. Some people say that Central Jersey is actually just North Jersey, but I heavily disagree with that, because I feel I don't have any New York influence, nor Philadelphia influence. The only Philadelphia influence I have is liking the Eagles, but if I like a Los Angeles team, do I have an LA influence too? I don't think you can call sports team an influence of an area, even if it's close by. Camden and Philadelphia are both totally different places (and I'm not talking about which one is the biggest ghetto) despite being separated by about 5 miles or so.
Central Jersey is a myth by South Jersey dwellers who wish they could be part of the happening North. If you think that's Northward bias, tell me the good restaurants south of the Raritan that aren't fancy dress.
Central Jersey is the North Jersey puppet state set up in the south to accommodate North Jersey expansion needs.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 08, 2014, 07:59:20 AM
The only thing North Jersey has is a lot of traffic. And a nude beach. LOL
Nude beach is South Jersey.
Are we sure there's just the one?
Quote from: vtk on August 16, 2014, 08:58:57 PM
Are we sure there's just the one?
There are no beaches in North Jersey.
Quote from: Alps on August 18, 2014, 12:52:26 AM
Quote from: vtk on August 16, 2014, 08:58:57 PM
Are we sure there's just the one?
There are no beaches in North Jersey.
There are beaches on lakes in North Jersey, none for the ocean though. None of the lake beaches are nude though.
I've had an odd idea on this subject: when a state is split between boards, how about we try to make an "official" boundary that follows DOT district boundaries? I should hope the reason is obvious here. So for Ohio, maybe we could have 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 12 in Midwest / Great Lakes, while 5, 8, 9, 10, 11 are in Ohio Valley, for example. (Or maybe throw 5 and 11 on M/GL, or throw 6 and 7 in OV, but in any case pick a plan and try to make it official.)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dot.state.oh.us%2FSiteCollectionImages%2FDistrictMapCounties.gif&hash=18eb3ec26bb6dc76488ab67340c63e848a2dd2db)
Using vtk's suggestion, I would place Mississippi DOT's Districts 2 and 3 in the Mid-South, and the rest in the Southeast.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPRLrHPO.png&hash=abbcd1a5ab7908ff3f11ab9f0e89e4b70569157e)
As for Tennessee, I would put Region 4 in the Mid-South, and the remainder in the Southeast.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsKij7PE.png&hash=f11bd2ce69cb25159c509b3bfe6ce3d28480b9e5)
If I were posting something about eastern West Virginia, it would go in Mid-Atlantic. Something about central WV would go in Ohio Valley. Something about western WV-I guess I'd just keep it to myself...
Since northern Mississippi has been moved to Mid-South, it would be nice to have a Mississippi Message Icon as an option for posts relating to northern Mississippi.
Official documents usually split the U.S. and A. into 9 regions:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/US_Census_geographical_region_map.png
If we have to redistrict the regional boards, that might be a good way to do it.
Quote from: bandit957 on March 21, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
U.S. and A.
Is our country now called the "United States and America"?
Quote from: 1 on March 21, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 21, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
U.S. and A.
Is our country now called the "United States and America"?
That name sounds like some kind of sit-com.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on March 21, 2015, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 21, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 21, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
U.S. and A.
Is our country now called the "United States and America"?
That name sounds like some kind of sit-com.
Justin Wilson called it so: http://www.amazon.com/Wilsonville-Justin-Wilson-Record-Vinyl/dp/B0078OB73K (http://www.amazon.com/Wilsonville-Justin-Wilson-Record-Vinyl/dp/B0078OB73K) :bigass:
Quote from: 1 on March 21, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on March 21, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
U.S. and A.
Is our country now called the "United States and America"?
Looks like somebody hasn't seen Da Ali G Show or the Borat movie.