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Title: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: roadman65 on October 20, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
I was noticing how near Atlanta Airport how most maps show a two route overlap of I-85 and I-285 where the two interstates interchange together.  Yet in reality, both routes have separate carriageways with I-85 being inside of I-285.

In Northern New Jersey, some maps show I-80 and NJ 17 overlapping near Hackensack, but again I-80 is inside NJ 17 on two different grades.
Then you have the big tangle in Woodbridge Township, NJ where it shows the Garden State Parkway and US 9 to be on concurrent alignments.  Even though US 9 does run concurrent with the GSP twice (and soon three), it does not here as the GSP is in the middle of US 9.

Are there any other such instances where map makers like Rand McNally or others distort two parallel alignments because of space limitations on the map?
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: Charles2 on October 20, 2013, 09:44:39 PM
The I-85/285 (shown) overlap probably dates back to the days when the two routes did indeed overlap.  But it's been at least 20 years since separate carriageways were constructed for each route.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: mapman1071 on October 21, 2013, 07:37:13 PM
Most Maps show AZ64 and US-180 overlapping between Vail, AZ and Grand Canyon National Park.
US-180 Ends at Vail, However SB Only AZ64 & US-180 are co-signed
The US-180 should say "To US-180"   
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: Kacie Jane on October 21, 2013, 08:29:11 PM
I think cases like 85/285 and GSP/US 9 where they don't share pavement but do share the same right of way are a bit different, as they are "kind of" concurrent.

But a good example of highways frequently marked as concurrent but aren't are 80 and 95 approaching the George Washington Bridge.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: DandyDan on October 22, 2013, 03:56:23 AM
Another case where they show an overlap that isn't is I-94 and I-35W in downtown Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: roadman65 on October 22, 2013, 04:02:09 AM
I also forgot about the interchange between I-10 and I-45 in Houston.  My Rand McNally shows the two freeways as overlapped for a short distance, but when I drove I-45 through there last year I seen nothing of the sort.

Also in Syracuse, NY maps show both I-81 and I-690 overlapped in Downtown Syracuse, but they are indeed not.  Just as I-85/ I-285 are braided, so are these two routes.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: NE2 on October 22, 2013, 04:15:04 AM
In some of these cases, the DOT actually inventories it as an overlap, with one route officially C/D roads of the overlap.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: andy3175 on October 22, 2013, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2013, 04:15:04 AM
In some of these cases, the DOT actually inventories it as an overlap, with one route officially C/D roads of the overlap.

Sort of like the I-595 and FL 84 situation (at least the westernmost end of I-595)?

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: NE2 on October 22, 2013, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: andy3175 on October 22, 2013, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2013, 04:15:04 AM
In some of these cases, the DOT actually inventories it as an overlap, with one route officially C/D roads of the overlap.

Sort of like the I-595 and FL 84 situation (at least the westernmost end of I-595)?
No, SR 84 is on the frontage roads there, with at-grade intersections. I-4 and US 92 at the US 301 interchange is more like this, though FDOT does inventory it separately. I can't remember any specific examples where they are inventoried as one, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: Brandon on October 22, 2013, 09:51:09 AM
AAA has commonly made a mistake on their maps (including the Chicago inset) where I-88 and I-355 are shown as a concurrency.  They are, as we well know, two parallel roadways separated by a jersey barrier.
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: PHLBOS on October 22, 2013, 10:19:30 AM
Many maps (Rand-McNally being one of them) still marks I-95 between the NJ Turnpike and G.W. Bridge as I-80/95. 
Title: Re: Two highways marked as concurrencies on most maps but are not
Post by: jp the roadgeek on October 26, 2013, 04:17:35 PM
Most maps show I-84 and CT 72 overlapping through Cooke's Gap in Plainville. There are 5 lanes in each direction, but I-84 is the right 3 lanes eastbound, and the left 3 lanes westbound.  One can cross between lanes, but at no time do the routes technically share lanes.  Also, I-295 and US 6 in Johnston, RI.  US 6 stays on the C/D roads.