Where are some places along interstates and freeways where there is potential for confusion (not among us, of course :D ) because the control cities are similar?
I remember some of you saying before that I-65's southern terminus at I-10 had this issue (although not anymore): I-10 East Pensacola, I-10 West Pascagoula
As I was cruising Google streetview recently I saw another close one in Knoxville, TN along I-40 and I-640: Nashville vs. Asheville
I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.
Quote from: briantroutman on October 28, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.
Geez, Roanoke seems really far away from there. And it skips WV, too. Is Hagerstown the main control point from Harriburg, PA southward?
Washington DC, Washington VA, Washington PA. I don't know if Washington VA is a control city anywhere, but Washington PA is for I-70 and I-79.
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Quote from: bassoon1986 on October 28, 2013, 04:27:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 28, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.
Geez, Roanoke seems really far away from there. And it skips WV, too. Is Hagerstown the main control point from Harriburg, PA southward?
Carlisle is the control city shown south from Harrisburg. Hagerstown does not show up until around Chambersburg, PA.
California State Route 57 (Orange Freeway) northbound & California State Route 60 (Pomona Freeway) eastbound both have Pomona as control cities from their southern & eastern start points. CA-57 & CA-60 meet in Diamond Bar & overlap each other for a few miles. The overhead signs show CA-57 North & CA-60 East Pomona. They say goodbye to each other in northern Diamond Bar, but they both reach their control city. CA-57 travels to western Pomona while CA-60 travels to southern Pomona.
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_107a_04.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images060/ca-060_eb_exit_001a_01.jpg
The famous Orange Crush Interchange & East Los Angeles Interchange. Western & Southern Start point for CA-60 & CA-57.
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images060/ca-060_eb_exit_024a_03.jpg
How about Sioux Falls and Sioux City along I-29? I would think that interchanges between the two cities would have signs for both as there is no other city in between except for small settlements. Of course we know that some DOTs do like to sign smaller cities instead of the bigger ones, however I am not sure how SD signs I-29 at ramps between the two.
Along I-95 Southbound at the PA-DE State Line
http://goo.gl/maps/V6Ae1 (http://goo.gl/maps/V6Ae1)
Things get even more confusing with all the diagramatic approach BGS' beforehand due to PennDOT (or DelDOT not communicating w/PennDOT) never removing the temporary City/Port of masks from all the BGS' following the completion of a redecking project along I-95 in Wilmington, DE 10 to 15 years ago.
http://goo.gl/maps/ZcuwZ (http://goo.gl/maps/ZcuwZ)
Along I-95 in Attleboro, MA
http://goo.gl/maps/jXCFK (http://goo.gl/maps/jXCFK)
Along MA 3 Northbound in Weymouth, MA
http://goo.gl/maps/kxzHU (http://goo.gl/maps/kxzHU)
Memphis and TNDoT saves drivers confusion by not making Jackson, TN the control city on I-40 EB. It would be messy and confusing for drivers if they saw signs for I-55 SB (Jackson, Miss.) and I-40 EB (Jackson, Tenn).
I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.
At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood (https://maps.google.com/?ll=34.246869,-118.424826&spn=0.000468,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.246869,-118.424826&panoid=CQehMLFEeTiuerqChGq9Sg&cbp=12,139.3,,0,-3.1) . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.
Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown. Guess which one does which?
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on December 13, 2013, 07:03:08 PM
I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.
At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood (https://maps.google.com/?ll=34.246869,-118.424826&spn=0.000468,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.246869,-118.424826&panoid=CQehMLFEeTiuerqChGq9Sg&cbp=12,139.3,,0,-3.1) . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.
Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown. Guess which one does which?
Best part of this:
If one stays on I-5 southbound, the next exit to direct them to "Los Angeles" the control city is...110 south, the Arroyo Seco Parkway.
This however does not allow trucks, so if you are driving a tractor-trailer and weren't aware that the Hollywood Freeway is the much better route...you now have to loop through the East Los Angeles Interchange to the Santa Monica Freeway.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 13, 2013, 05:15:55 PM
How about Sioux Falls and Sioux City along I-29? I would think that interchanges between the two cities would have signs for both as there is no other city in between except for small settlements. Of course we know that some DOTs do like to sign smaller cities instead of the bigger ones, however I am not sure how SD signs I-29 at ramps between the two.
A quick check of GSV shows that Elk Point and Beresford are used between the two in South Dakota. At the northernmost interchange in Iowa, Sioux Falls is used, but Sioux City is not (for obvious reasons; it's
in Sioux City).
Quote from: Charles2 on December 13, 2013, 05:53:43 PM
Memphis and TNDoT saves drivers confusion by not making Jackson, TN the control city on I-40 EB. It would be messy and confusing for drivers if they saw signs for I-55 SB (Jackson, Miss.) and I-40 EB (Jackson, Tenn).
West Virginia would sign Jackson, Tenn. as a control city. So would Pennsylvania. But Tennessee does it right. Jackson is not worthy of that status; Nashville is appropriate.
Semi OT...
I was once giving a coworker directions to West Liberty, Ohio. He wrote down my directions, and I drew him a map. He still managed to take a wrong turn – coincidentally, near East Liberty. He called me, and seemed concerned that I might have directed him to the wrong town. But no, my directions took him past one en route to the other, and it's not my fault he got some of the turns mixed up in his head.
I know in some parts of the country, such as New England, one might expect West Liberty and East Liberty to be near each other, probably on either side of Liberty. In Ohio, nobody expects this. Directional prefixes in town names have no recognizeable geographical meaning in Ohio. East and West Liberties are the only ones I'm aware of that might actually seem related.
I suppose it's possible that, at the intersection of Main & Chillicothe in Bellefontaine at some time in the past, there may have been signs pointing to East Liberty and West Liberty.
Quote from: vtk on December 13, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
I know in some parts of the country, such as New England, one might expect West Liberty and East Liberty to be near each other, probably on either side of Liberty. In Ohio, nobody expects this. Directional prefixes in town names have no recognizeable geographical meaning in Ohio.
Same thing in Indiana. Liberty and North Liberty are 207 miles or 3 hours, 35 minutes apart. I've got no idea if the latter was named for the former. Considering the pattern of settlement in the state, from south to north, it's a possibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Liberty,_Indiana
QuoteNorth Liberty is a town in St. Joseph County, Indiana, United States. It is located in Liberty Township.
There are enough townships that names can and do repeat frequently.
West Liberty, Ky., is northeast of Liberty, Ky., and is at least a 3 1/2 hour drive from Liberty.
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on December 13, 2013, 07:03:08 PM
I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.
At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood (https://maps.google.com/?ll=34.246869,-118.424826&spn=0.000468,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.246869,-118.424826&panoid=CQehMLFEeTiuerqChGq9Sg&cbp=12,139.3,,0,-3.1) . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.
Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown. Guess which one does which?
It also seems that 170 to the 101 is slightly shorter than staying on the 5... though I wouldn't be surprised if the traffic is much heavier.
Quote from: NE2 on December 14, 2013, 02:33:02 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Liberty,_Indiana
QuoteNorth Liberty is a town in St. Joseph County, Indiana, United States. It is located in Liberty Township.
There are enough townships that names can and do repeat frequently.
I'm not understanding the comment. In Indiana, at least, townships are subdivisions of counties, and it's not a bit unusual for names to repeat. Towns, on the other hand, are a form of municipal government, like cities. They are generally smaller than cities, though not always.
Incorporated towns and cities have unique names within the state. They generally encompass residential and business areas, and exclude most farmland. I know the terminology varies in other states.
For more info, look here: http://www.in.gov/sboa/2435.htm (http://www.in.gov/sboa/2435.htm)
QuoteThe State of Indiana has 119 cities and 447 towns. Cities range in population from 1,209 (Cannelton) to over 780,000 (Indianapolis Unigov). Towns range in population from 28 (River Forest) to over 37,000 (Fishers).
You were wondering how North Liberty got its name. It was apparently in the north part of Liberty Township (which included Lincoln Township until 1866). The only issue is that Liberty Township was incorporated in 1837, but North Liberty in 1836; perhaps the area was already known as Liberty.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QS8VAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA281
Thanks for the info, NE2. I can usually count on you to come up with it. It's good to know more about my county.
Quote from: briantroutman on October 28, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.
In a similar vein, signs for I-495 in Virginia used to use Frederick as the control city in one direction and Richmond/Alexandria (Richmond always listed first) in the other direction. I thought it would be funny if they'd used Fredericksburg instead of Richmond and Alexandria. Doesn't matter now since they've replaced Frederick on the signs with Tysons Corner (and for awhile they had Rockville prior to using Tysons). I have indeed heard people mixing up Frederick and Fredericksburg, including TV weathermen.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 15, 2013, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 28, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
I always wished that on I-70 in Hagerstown, Maryland that Md. SHA would use Harrisburg and Harrisonburg as the NB and SB control cities for I-81. As it stands, they use Harrisburg and Roanoke.
In a similar vein, signs for I-495 in Virginia used to use Frederick as the control city in one direction and Richmond/Alexandria (Richmond always listed first) in the other direction. I thought it would be funny if they'd used Fredericksburg instead of Richmond and Alexandria. Doesn't matter now since they've replaced Frederick on the signs with Tysons Corner (and for awhile they had Rockville prior to using Tysons). I have indeed heard people mixing up Frederick and Fredericksburg, including TV weathermen.
What is more interesting is you not only have Frederick, MD and Fredericksburg, VA; but you have a Prince Frederick, MD also in the same region of the country. Unfortunately, Prince Frederick is not on the interstate system and it could never be mentioned as a control city on the I-495 Beltway as well as its location has no real reason to ever be so warranted. However, if it were it would even be funnier. Having one interchange on ramps say Frederick in one direction and Fredericksburg/ Prince Frederick in the other.
Quote from: Steve on December 14, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on December 13, 2013, 07:03:08 PM
I kicked this dead horse once before, but I'll do it again.
At the 5/170 split, the 5 south has a control city of Los Angeles and the 170 south has a control city of Hollywood (https://maps.google.com/?ll=34.246869,-118.424826&spn=0.000468,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.246869,-118.424826&panoid=CQehMLFEeTiuerqChGq9Sg&cbp=12,139.3,,0,-3.1) . . . which is a part of Los Angeles.
Oh, and one of them ends up in the heart of Downtown Los Angeles and the other one gets no closer than two miles to Downtown. Guess which one does which?
It also seems that 170 to the 101 is slightly shorter than staying on the 5... though I wouldn't be surprised if the traffic is much heavier.
I believe traffic on both is equally bad. During the morning, both the 5 and the 170/101 are bad south of the 134. The 5 may be better as it doesn't always back up as far.
At the end of I-691: I-84 W, Waterbury/Danbury
On CT 9 S: CT 66 W, Middletown/Middlefield (also on I-91 N Exit 18 for CT 66 E)
And another related question: Why is Hampton, CT 20 miles east of East Hampton?
On southbound I-75 at Findlay, Ohio, you have an exit (OH 12?) for Columbus Grove and Findlay right before the exit for Columbus and Kenton (US 68 S, OH 15 E, to US 23)
Quote from: jfs1988 on October 28, 2013, 10:37:14 PM
California State Route 57 (Orange Freeway) northbound & California State Route 60 (Pomona Freeway) eastbound both have Pomona as control cities from their southern & eastern start points. CA-57 & CA-60 meet in Diamond Bar & overlap each other for a few miles. The overhead signs show CA-57 North & CA-60 East Pomona. They say goodbye to each other in northern Diamond Bar, but they both reach their control city. CA-57 travels to western Pomona while CA-60 travels to southern Pomona.
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_107a_04.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images060/ca-060_eb_exit_001a_01.jpg
The famous Orange Crush Interchange & East Los Angeles Interchange. Western & Southern Start point for CA-60 & CA-57.
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images060/ca-060_eb_exit_024a_03.jpg
In another thread, I mentioned that the Pomona Fwy (CA-60) is inappropriately named because the 10 heads much closer to the center of Pomona (and to such attractions as the County Fairgrounds) than the 60. But, because of historical reasons, the 60 was named the Pomona Fwy and the 60's co ntrol city east of L.A. is Pomona. Part of the reason was that the original names of the freeways were named after the most closely parallel main street near the highway. Thus, the Santa Monica Fwy was (in the planning stage) known as the Olympic Pkwy, and the San Bernardino Fwy was known as the Ramona Pkwy. The 60 closely parallels Pomona Blvd in Montebello as well as Valley Blvd in the City of Industry (which used to be known as Pomona Blvd), so it got the name of Pomona Fwy.
Now, the 57 Fwy connects Orange County with the Eastern San Gabriel Valley. The largest city in this area is Pomona. And fortunately, the 57 is close enough to Pomona to be a good control city, even though it doesn't hit Pomona directly. But that's OK in California, where control cities lead you toward a highway towards a highway that eventually gets you to the downtown of your control city. (E.g. CA-120 in Manteca, CA has a San Francisco control city, I-40 in the Mojave Desert has L.A. as a control city).
If you follow the 57 from Orange County, the 57 and the 60 will merge in Diamond Bar, and then diverge about 2 miles later. At the divergence point CA-60 has Pomona and Riverside as control cities, and CA-57 has no control city going north.
I would change CA-57 to have a control city of Glendora north of CA-60, and I would put in two control cities of Glendora and Pasadena on ramps from CA-71 north to CA-57 north and from I-10 west to CA-57 north. This portion of the CA-57 freeway used to be I-210 and had a Pasadena control city and from points east is the best way to reach Pasadena thanks to the I-710 freeway gap.
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Sorry it's a bit hard to read.
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