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Title: Side by side freeways.
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 03, 2013, 12:18:23 AM
I was just wondering how many examples of interstates or freeways that run directly next to each other or on the same ROW for some distance without actually sharing pavement. Both I-88/I-355 and I-290/I-294 in Chicagoland are the first to come to mind. What other examples of this setup are out there? I guess examples such as the way Atlanta's southern leg of I-85 sits in the median of I-285 or how I-10 and I-45 straddle and weave inbewteen each other for a mile or two in Houston can be included as well.

  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2013, 01:09:07 AM
295 & the NJ Turnpike in the Moorestown/Mt. Laurel/Cherry Hill area.

95 & the Florida Turnpike north of Miami
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: SD Mapman on November 03, 2013, 01:16:33 AM
What about the UT 67 and I-15 stretch north of Salt Lake?
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Post by: KEK Inc. on November 03, 2013, 01:40:49 AM
I-205 and I-84 for about half a mile.  Well, they share ROW with light rail and a bike trail too.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 03, 2013, 01:16:33 AM
I-84 and CT 72 in Plainville.
I-91 and CT 15 in Meriden (both directions of I-91 are sandwiched in between the CT 15 NB and SB lanes.
US 6 and I-295 in Johnston, RI (US 6 follows the c/d roads)
I-81 and I-476 near Wilkes-Barre.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: kj3400 on November 03, 2013, 01:48:18 AM
I-95 and I-895 in Baltimore when they leave the Fort McHenry and Harbor Tunnels respectively.
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Post by: Laura on November 03, 2013, 06:00:37 AM
I-695 and I-83 in Baltimore. When I-83 merges in and out, it maintains its 2 lanes while I-695 maintains its three lanes. You can pass between the two highways freely during the concurrent stretch, but the lane configuration makes it seem like there are literally 2 highways next to each other.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: J N Winkler on November 03, 2013, 08:09:41 AM
Another example:  I-75 and I-96 in Detroit.
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Post by: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 08:33:32 AM
I-85 and old I-85 (SR 13) in Atlanta. Perhaps the only example with an old alignment.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2013, 08:37:49 AM
Oh yeah...how could I forget 295 South & 76 East/42 South. Not the other side though...that shares pavement...for now! I'll revisit this in a few months when it's separated.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: bzakharin on November 03, 2013, 09:27:53 AM
US 46 of course runs very close to I 80 across the entire state of NJ, but I guess one can argue which parts of US 46 if any are actually built to freeway standards outside the I-95 overlap.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 09:32:11 AM
Quote from: bzakharin on November 03, 2013, 09:27:53 AM
US 46 of course runs very close to I 80 across the entire state of NJ, but I guess one can argue which parts of US 46 if any are actually built to freeway standards outside the I-95 overlap.
What's not arguable is that US 46 is never right next to I-80.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Thing 342 on November 03, 2013, 09:49:50 AM
I-85/I-285 south of Atlanta.

I-73/I-85 south of Greensboro.
Title: Side by side freeways.
Post by: 1995hoo on November 03, 2013, 10:45:09 AM
Dulles Toll Road and Dulles Airport Access Highway in Virginia. The configuration is more like an express/local setup, but they're definitely separate roads with different purposes.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: PColumbus73 on November 03, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on November 03, 2013, 12:18:23 AM
I was just wondering how many examples of interstates or freeways that run directly next to each other or on the same ROW for some distance without actually sharing pavement. Both I-88/I-355 and I-290/I-295 in Chicagoland are the first to come to mind. What other examples of this setup are out there? I guess examples such as the way Atlanta's southern leg of I-85 sits in the median of I-285 or how I-10 and I-45 straddle and weave inbewteen each other for a mile or two in Houston can be included as well.

  :hmmm:

I never realized I-295 served Chicago  :-D

Anyway, In Minneapolis, I-35W runs inside I-94 briefly through downtown, then runs parallel to an expressway, I guess you could call it, that goes into downtown. Further south of downtown Minneapolis, I-35W does it again with MN Route 62 in the Crosstown Commons
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 12:26:03 PM
I-95 and Florida's Turnpike

I-295 and NJTP




Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 03, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
Anyway, In Minneapolis, I-35W runs inside I-94 briefly through downtown, then runs parallel to an expressway, I guess you could call it, that goes into downtown. Further south of downtown Minneapolis, I-35W does it again with MN Route 62 in the Crosstown Commons
I'd count the "downtown exits" of former MN 65, which spurs into downtown, as a full freeway.
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Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on November 03, 2013, 12:39:47 PM
I-580 and I-80 in Richmond after 580 splits off of 80 towards the San Rafael Bridge.
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Post by: ARMOURERERIC on November 03, 2013, 12:53:49 PM
I-805 and CA 15 in San Diego City
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Post by: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Has anyone mentioned I-95 and Florida's Turnpike?
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Post by: vdeane on November 03, 2013, 01:02:48 PM
NY 49 (and part of I-790/NY 5) and I-90.  This would probably be a multiplex were the Thruway not a closed ticket system here.

Arguably I-8 and MX 2D

A-20 and A-40
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Ned Weasel on November 03, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
Not quite side-by-side, but close: current freeway and future freeway, only a quarter-mile apart, for a distance of 1.75 miles:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=37.678216,-97.214456&spn=0.018953,0.042272&t=h&z=15 (I-35/Kansas Turnpike and US 54/US 400/Kellogg in Wichita, KS)
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Has anyone mentioned I-95 and Florida's Turnpike?

Quote from: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 12:26:03 PM
I-95 and Florida's Turnpike
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Has anyone mentioned I-95 and Florida's Turnpike?

Quote from: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 12:26:03 PM
I-95 and Florida's Turnpike

To understand the sarcasm, Look back at the very 1st response to the OP's question...
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: bzakharin on November 03, 2013, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 09:32:11 AM
Quote from: bzakharin on November 03, 2013, 09:27:53 AM
US 46 of course runs very close to I 80 across the entire state of NJ, but I guess one can argue which parts of US 46 if any are actually built to freeway standards outside the I-95 overlap.
What's not arguable is that US 46 is never right next to I-80.
You seem to be right. I could have sworn there were places where you could see on from the other, but all I can find now is when they cross with each other, which doesn't really count.

How about the Garden State Parkway and US 9 from approaching GSP exit 127 to just short of 129?
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 03:11:36 PM

Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 03, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Has anyone mentioned I-95 and Florida's Turnpike?

Quote from: Molandfreak on November 03, 2013, 12:26:03 PM
I-95 and Florida's Turnpike

To understand the sarcasm, Look back at the very 1st response to the OP's question then follow the rest of the thread...
Shoulda known
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: TheStranger on November 03, 2013, 04:35:52 PM
Interstate 15 and former Interstate 15/US 395 (Kearny Villa Road) at Miramar MCAS in San Diego.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 03, 2013, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: UptownRoadGeek on November 03, 2013, 12:18:23 AM
I was just wondering how many examples of interstates or freeways that run directly next to each other or on the same ROW for some distance without actually sharing pavement. Both I-88/I-355 and I-290/I-295 in Chicagoland are the first to come to mind. What other examples of this setup are out there? I guess examples such as the way Atlanta's southern leg of I-85 sits in the median of I-285 or how I-10 and I-45 straddle and weave inbewteen each other for a mile or two in Houston can be included as well.

  :hmmm:

It's I-294 not I-295
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 03, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
Do "dual dual" freeways count?

Like the New Jersey Turnpike between (soon) Exit 6 and Exit 15E - and, of course, north of there are the "East Spur" and "West Spur" of the Turnpike.

Or the Garden State Parkway between Neptune/Asbury Park and the N.J. Turnpike.

Or I-270 in Montgomery County, Maryland?

Or I-271 in Cleveland, Ohio?

Or I-95/I-495 between Virginia Exit 176 and Maryland Exit 3?
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: ET21 on November 03, 2013, 09:47:10 PM
I-88 and I-355 for about 1 mile in Downers Grove, IL

I-294 and I-290 for about 1 mile in Hillside, IL. 294 does a slight curve to go under St Charles Rd, but it is parallel to 290 between the Hillside JCT and North Ave (IL-64)
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Post by: JustDrive on November 03, 2013, 11:24:02 PM
I-5 truck lanes and the mainline lanes between CA 14 and I-210
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Post by: jeffandnicole on November 04, 2013, 12:00:32 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 03, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
Do "dual dual" freeways count?

Like the New Jersey Turnpike between (soon) Exit 6 and Exit 15E - and, of course, north of there are the "East Spur" and "West Spur" of the Turnpike.

Or the Garden State Parkway between Neptune/Asbury Park and the N.J. Turnpike.

Or I-270 in Montgomery County, Maryland?

Or I-271 in Cleveland, Ohio?

Or I-95/I-495 between Virginia Exit 176 and Maryland Exit 3?

I may be mistaken, but I think the NJ Turnpike is the only dual-dual roadway, which allows traffic from either the inner or outer drive to access all exits and rest areas/service plazas.  The other roadways are highways with express/local lanes.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on November 04, 2013, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: vdeane on November 03, 2013, 01:02:48 PMA-20 and A-40

They do serve a different set of communities that are separated by a river... but they are indeed somewhat side-by-side in Montreal, especially in the West Island. That's a bit of an edge case though, isn't it?
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: PHLBOS on November 04, 2013, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
Has anyone mentioned I-95 and Florida's Turnpike?
The very 2nd post by jeffandnicole

A portion of I-81 & I-476 (PA Turnpike Northeast Extension) between Wilkes-Barre & Scranton, PA

Although one is a Jersey/arterial type freeway, I-95 & US 1 in Peabody & Danvers, MA.
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Post by: dgolub on November 04, 2013, 08:30:23 AM
I-684 and the Saw Mill Parkway in Katonah, NY.
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Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 04, 2013, 08:39:49 AM
I-87 and the Saw Mill Parkway in Ardsley.
Northern State Parkway and the LIE near North Hills
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Post by: thenetwork on November 04, 2013, 08:59:59 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on November 03, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
Do "dual dual" freeways count?

Like  I-271 in Cleveland, Ohio?


I'll say yes...but only for the part of the I-271 express lanes that run inside of I-90 from the split to east of SR-91.

ODOT, on the other hand, considers that stretch a very long "transition ramp" as they mark the END of both I-271 Local & Express at the same point a few miles before I-271 Express officially dumps onto I-90 East.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on November 04, 2013, 09:26:04 AM
Quote from: PColumbus73 on November 03, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
I never realized I-295 served Chicago  :-D

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on November 03, 2013, 04:36:53 PM
It's I-294 not I-295

Typo people, damn.
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Post by: elsmere241 on November 04, 2013, 09:38:36 AM
US 13 and Delaware 1 in several places, and not just where they cross.
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Post by: mgk920 on November 04, 2013, 10:21:20 AM
I-35W and I-94 straddle each other for several blocks in Minneapolis, MN.

Mike
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Post by: Doctor Whom on November 04, 2013, 10:40:14 AM
VA 27 and I-395
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Post by: ethanhopkin14 on November 04, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
If you are talking about dual freeways, you have to talk about ON-401 in the. Toronto area.

Honorable mention: Not anywhere near being the same ROW, but I-64 and I-44 parallel for a few miles in Saint Louis and they are less than a half a mile apart.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: PColumbus73 on November 04, 2013, 01:25:16 PM
Personally, I wouldn't consider express/local setups, because they are the same highway. I-35W inside I-94 in Minneapolis would count, but I wouldn't count the I-271 Express/Local lanes
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: 1995hoo on November 04, 2013, 02:10:07 PM
I-85 and US-74 at that weird interchange near Gastonia might qualify: http://goo.gl/maps/FCqbM
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: HurrMark on November 04, 2013, 03:05:30 PM
Even though there is a river in between them, the Major Deegan and Harlem River Drive.
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Post by: NE2 on November 04, 2013, 03:44:57 PM
The Ventura Freeway and Kujukuri Toll Road.
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Post by: PurdueBill on November 04, 2013, 05:49:34 PM
They missed a chance with 271/480 to have a side-by-side setup...there is space and even grading for a local/express type setup (http://goo.gl/maps/DO9CH) in the overlap area but it could have been 480 on the outside and 271 on the inside. 
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Post by: roadman65 on November 04, 2013, 06:23:12 PM
I-90 and I-790 in NY.
I-295 and the NJT in NJ.
US 9 and the Garden State Parkway across the Raritan River.  Then even north of there the GSP is inside US 
   9 for about a mile in NJ also.
Title: Re: Side by side freeways.
Post by: dgolub on November 04, 2013, 07:03:10 PM
The Belt Parkway and the Nassau Expressway (NY 878) by Kennedy Airport.
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Post by: vdeane on November 04, 2013, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on November 04, 2013, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: vdeane on November 03, 2013, 01:02:48 PMA-20 and A-40

They do serve a different set of communities that are separated by a river... but they are indeed somewhat side-by-side in Montreal, especially in the West Island. That's a bit of an edge case though, isn't it?
I was thinking specifically of the west Montreal segments.