The 2009 Manual permits traffic-signal backplates to have a reflective yellow strip around the perimeter to emphasize the rectangular appearance. (Sec. 4D.12.21) Has anyone seen them yet in your local areas?
New York State DOT (Region 10) is installing them as part of a signal replacement project along S.R. 25 (Jericho Turnpike) in Long Island's Nassau County. So don't ya' know, the quality of either the yellow tape or the manufacturing/installation process is so poor that the tape is literally peeling off the backplates, in some cases before the signals are even put into service. What a blast seeing some of them gone already and others hanging half off the backplate.
Not only that, but NYSDOT is installing these backplated signals hanging from diagonal spanwires, which had enough of a problem with swinging in the wind, without adding a sail for additional swaying effect. Ya' really have to wonder what they're thinking..........
The City of Poway California began using them many years ago, but it was to signify intersections with red light cameras.
Seeing them all over the country since 2011.
Mike Tantillo noticed them along US 23 in Pikeville, and was interested in getting some more information about their implementation in Kentucky, so I hooked him up with one of our experts to get the scoop.
So far, the only ones I have seen are within walking distance of my house. They're in front of an elementary school, doing double duty to serve as the signal for the school driveway and as the ped signal for the kids.
Quote from: Alex on November 12, 2013, 09:11:10 PM
Seeing them all over the country since 2011.
It is a "proven safety countermeasure", according to FHWA.
http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/provencountermeasures/fhwa_sa_12_007.htm
The thing is just when they get the whole nation to have them at every signalized intersection, the FHWA will come up with something else new.
I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of them in Myrtle Beach, especially on U.S. 17 and US 17 Business.
They can be seen specifically at the signalized instersections around Washburn University in Topeka, KS - http://goo.gl/maps/BfhM2
ICTRds
WSDOT uses it on most highways and freeway on-ramp/off-ramp traffic signals now (excluding meter lights). SDOT (Seattle) uses them on signals that aren't clearly visible.
I seem to recall there was a signal in Virginia with a white strip around the back-plate (a la European style). Does anyone have a picture of that?
I think the concept is okay. I just take issue with NYS DOT's sloppy implementation. As I mentioned in my original post, it's really comical to see the tape peeling off the plates, even before the signal goes in service.........
Quote from: roadman65 on November 13, 2013, 09:40:37 AM
The thing is just when they get the whole nation to have them at every signalized intersection, the FHWA will come up with something else new.
I will give FHWA credit for bothering to do the proper (and extensive) "in the field real world" testing with the concept before declaring reflective strips on backplates as a best practice. As opposed to "arrow per lane" signs, which went from four or five installations nationwide to a - assume Bill Cosby voice ($64 Car routine) here - You MUST do this - remove Bill Cosby voice - requirement in the MUTCD. But that's a topic that's already been debated elsewhere in these forums.
The first of these I've seen in CT have just gone up over the past month on US5 in E. Windsor at three intersections, (CT 140, The NEW signal just south of that for the new Walmart entrance, and the signal at the next intersection south of that, which is the the intersection w/ i-91 at exit 44 and Newbury Road. In true connecticut inconsistently consistent fashion. I'd say about 2/3 of the signal heads in these installations have the flourescent yellow border around the back plates... and the rest.. not so much.
Some of these signals are dog houses, and I guess using this border gets it's point across of making the signals noticeable, becasue as soon as the intersection even remotely comes into view you can pick the the signal shapes out at a distance that you wouldn't normally yet be paying any attention for the lights because you're so far away.
Kissimmee, FL has some just installed at US 192 and John Young Parkway. The thing is that its only SB JYP and WB US 192 while the other 2 directions do not have them.
Quote from: roadman on November 13, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on November 13, 2013, 09:40:37 AM
The thing is just when they get the whole nation to have them at every signalized intersection, the FHWA will come up with something else new.
I will give FHWA credit for bothering to do the proper (and extensive) "in the field real world" testing with the concept before declaring reflective strips on backplates as a best practice. As opposed to "arrow per lane" signs, which went from four or five installations nationwide to a - assume Bill Cosby voice ($64 Car routine) here - You MUST do this - remove Bill Cosby voice - requirement in the MUTCD. But that's a topic that's already been debated elsewhere in these forums.
There were only 4 or 5 in the US but countless thousands in Europe and they have decades of experience with them. European traffic researchers and engineers are just as competent as ours and their research is equally valid.
I find the reflective backplates distracting from the actual signal faces themselves. The best recommendation is to continue use of the black signal backplates, and update MUTCD standards to require backplates on all signals. The black backplates provide the necessary contrast needed for greater visibility of the signal faces themselves. In windprone areas there are louvered backplates available that can be installed. Also I would like to see the phase out of yellow traffic signal bodies. They should also be black (or some dark color such as dark green or purple for example in areas where special "custom' signals are installed for street beautification). The reflective backplates do look nice, and they are better than no backplate, but i prefer the black ones as to me they seem safer.
I wonder if NYC is going to "go with the flow" as they live in their own little world still using old analog sign controllers, and double guy mast arms.?
Right Roadman, and NYC still has mostly 8-inch heads too. About what you'd expect from a place that had old 2-color signals until the mid-1960's.
Indyroads, you have a point about the back plates with reflective strips. I noticed the same thing myself lately. I seem to concentrate on the appearance of the backplate and almost forget to notice what color signal is displayed! I agree with you, dark color (usually dark-green) heads and dark backplates are best. Like in California and Nevada.
I'd hate to see the day that N.Y.C.D.O.T. installs backplates on its traffic signals.
Ohio has really gone gung-ho on the use of "reflective" backplates from what I have read & seen on the internet. So much, in fact, that I thought it was just an Ohio/ODOT thing and not a MUTCD thing.
Nothing here in my neck of Colorado.
WisDOT just got done installing them on a major section of WI 125 (College Ave) here in the Appleton area.
Mike
Are any of you seeing the problem I described with the reflective strips peeling off the backplates? If not, it might just be a problem with the adhesive used by the local contractor.
Suburban Denver, at least on the south side. I don't know if it's a CDOT District thing, since I've seen them in two counties, on both state and local roads.
Quote from: SignBridge on November 24, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
I agree with you, dark color (usually dark-green) heads and dark backplates are best. Like in California and Nevada.
I'd imagine signals that have dark heads and dark backplates would be really hard to see in, say, a situation where it's night and stormy and the power is out.
I'd think reflective backplates would make it easier to know that there is a signal there (and to treat it like an all-way stop)
Quote from: Mr_Northside on November 25, 2013, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on November 24, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
I agree with you, dark color (usually dark-green) heads and dark backplates are best. Like in California and Nevada.
I'd imagine signals that have dark heads and dark backplates would be really hard to see in, say, a situation where it's night and stormy and the power is out.
I'd think reflective backplates would make it easier to know that there is a signal there (and to treat it like an all-way stop)
That could be remedied by installing battery backup systems at intersections and having traffic signals default to red flash during outages in order to save power. Also use of LED signal heads would also help conserve power of the battery backup system. Some major cities in California installed these (especially at the most dangerous intersections). with proper backup power you may also be able to operate the signals normally if needed.
I've always thought that battery backup should be required. The minimum standard should be that it flashes red on one head per direction only.
This to me would be sufficient to tell motorists what to do and maintain safety.
Think about how unsafe the current situation is, allowing intersections to go completely dark, and on top of that, no even bothering to educate motorists of the rule about threating it as an all way stop. It seems that very few motorists are familiar with this law.
BTW...Railroad crossing signals are required to have battery backup.
Quote from: Indyroads on November 26, 2013, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on November 25, 2013, 07:22:08 PM
I'd imagine signals that have dark heads and dark backplates would be really hard to see in, say, a situation where it's night and stormy and the power is out.
I'd think reflective backplates would make it easier to know that there is a signal there (and to treat it like an all-way stop)
That could be remedied by installing battery backup systems at intersections and having traffic signals default to red flash during outages in order to save power. Also use of LED signal heads would also help conserve power of the battery backup system. Some major cities in California installed these (especially at the most dangerous intersections). with proper backup power you may also be able to operate the signals normally if needed.
I think many of the signalized intersections in Nevada are equipped with, or their cabinets are at least designed to accommodate, battery backup.
I seem to recall a conversation with a Reno-area signal engineer that many standard signals have the backup battery to accommodate running the signal in normal mode for about an hour, followed by all-way red flash for another 3 or 4 hours. This was about 6 years ago, so I may not have the details correct.
Quote from: Brian556 on November 26, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
I've always thought that battery backup should be required. The minimum standard should be that it flashes red on one head per direction only.
This to me would be sufficient to tell motorists what to do and maintain safety.
I do not believe battery backup is required, although it is highly encouraged--especially at complex or non-standard intersections (i.e. SPUIs, more-than-4-way intersections, etc.).
For redundancy purposes, minimum standard would need to flash red at least two heads in each direction. This would likely also mean that circular reds would have to be flashing (unless there a turning movement with red arrow was the only movement), otherwise the message might be unclear.
Quote from: Brian556 on November 26, 2013, 11:59:54 PMBTW...Railroad crossing signals are required to have battery backup.
Mainline signals too.
Quote from: Indyroads on November 26, 2013, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on November 25, 2013, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: SignBridge on November 24, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
I agree with you, dark color (usually dark-green) heads and dark backplates are best. Like in California and Nevada.
I'd imagine signals that have dark heads and dark backplates would be really hard to see in, say, a situation where it's night and stormy and the power is out.
I'd think reflective backplates would make it easier to know that there is a signal there (and to treat it like an all-way stop)
That could be remedied by installing battery backup systems at intersections and having traffic signals default to red flash during outages in order to save power. Also use of LED signal heads would also help conserve power of the battery backup system. Some major cities in California installed these (especially at the most dangerous intersections). with proper backup power you may also be able to operate the signals normally if needed.
Or we could begin to transition to the European system, where permanent STOP, YIELD or 'you have priority' (not in the current USA MUTCD) signs that are mounted on the signal standards govern when the signals are dark.
Mike
Besides the obvious safety reasons, battery backup for grade crossing and other railroad signals has existed for decades largely because railroad signals have operated on a low voltage DC system. As highway traffic signals and their control equipment operate on commercial power, having effective battery backup for long term operation is much trickier. Of ocurse, improvements in battery technology and the increased use of LED lamps in signal housing, are changing that trend.
Quote from: SignBridge on November 25, 2013, 04:40:59 PM
Are any of you seeing the problem I described with the reflective strips peeling off the backplates? If not, it might just be a problem with the adhesive used by the local contractor.
Here in Norman, they seem to be doing fine.
QuoteAre any of you seeing the problem I described with the reflective strips peeling off the backplates? If not, it might just be a problem with the adhesive used by the local contractor.
Here in Norman, they seem to be doing fine.
The adhesive is part of the reflective sheeting, so it is always the same. The problem might be plastic backplates. TxDOT had a problem with a certain brand of sheeting not sticking to their plastic delineators.
I got some news for you all about these new reflective strips on signal backplates: they wear out soon!
On Orange Blossom Trail in Kissimmee, FL the ones that are installed at the Performing Arts Center (former Tupperware Auditorium) have lost the ability to reflect after being erected just a few years ago. I was through that intersection at night and noticed that they were not visible at all!
If all the others wear out soon this idea may be like sailing the Titanic!
Brian556, are all backplates used today made of plastic, or are there metal ones being used too? Reason I ask is here in the Northeast with our cold winter climate, plastic backplates seem to crack and fall off the signal heads. Some that were installed some years ago are no longer there.
Quote from: mgk920 on November 24, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
WisDOT just got done installing them on a major section of WI 125 (College Ave) here in the Appleton area.
Mike
I also found them today in Wausau on WIS-52's interchange with US-51.
QuoteI got some news for you all about these new reflective strips on signal backplates: they wear out soon!
It does not make sense that they would stop reflecting after a few years. The lowest grade of sheeting, which probably isn't used for this application anyway, has a 7-year minimum life for reflectivity. Maybe they have dew on them at night.
I would suspect that diamond grade would be used for this application; HIP at a minimum.
Now, here in TX, the florescent yellow HIP sheeting that's supposed to last 10-12 years is failing prematurely. Signs installed in 2006 are already severely faded and cracking.
QuoteBrian556, are all backplates used today made of plastic, or are there metal ones being used too? Reason I ask is here in the Northeast with our cold winter climate, plastic backplates seem to crack and fall off the signal heads. Some that were installed some years ago are no longer there.
There seems to be some plastic/ some metal. Most around here are plastic.
Why don't they paint the darn things as the brown on the one's in my hometown of Clark, NJ lasted for almost 30 years until Union County, NJ developed their own style of mast arms and replaced it.
Brant Avenue and Westfield Avenue in Clark had yellow cut out visor shields that were erected in the early 70s and sometime in the 2000s it was change to the new mast arms that sit on top of the pole common now to Union County maintained roads. Anyway, the brown back plates held up color wise and through two major hurricanes.
Yes brown it fine also. a good color for traffic signals in a historic area or street beautification zone.
I have yet to see any backplates of this style in VA - even on new signals installed in the last few weeks. I'd like to see VDOT adopt Ohio's practice of using dark-colored signals if they start using backplates with the reflective strips. Ohio's newer signals look quite snazzy.
The only thing close I've seen close to this in VA are these European-looking signals, with white borders on the backplates, in downtown Culpeper -- http://goo.gl/maps/i1PIB -- designed, presumably, for aesthetic effect.
I was noticing that in Orlando, FL on Orange Blossom Trail and Taft- Vineland Road the yellow strips are only around the bottom and sides while not at the top. Of course this is now a span wire assembly and the hardware used to hang the signal head from gets in the way, but I would think that the few short inches on the sides of the hanging hardware could be striped.
WisDOT is adding more, now in Eau Claire: local news article (http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/front_page/article_9f3204da-6f82-11e3-ac66-001a4bcf887a.html)
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Backplates with retroreflective borders were added at three signalized intersections in Columbia, S.C., and the three crossings combined experienced an 28.6 percent reduction in total crashes during the 25 months that followed, according to an intersection safety case study.
"Adding retroreflective borders is also advantageous during periods of power outages when the signals would otherwise be dark," according to the FHWA. "The retroreflective sheeting continues to provide a visible cue for travelers to take note of the dark signal and adjust their actions accordingly."
QuoteDOT personnel began installing backplates with retroreflective borders several months ago, said Morrison, who didn't know where and how many of the specialized backplates were being put up.
Nice to know the officials have a firm grasp on what's going on around the state.
Quote"If we see a decided drop in crashes, I could see (retroreflective backplates) at some point becoming a new standard," Brunner said.
Some Ontario jurisdictions have a reflective plate along the backplate of the signals, while other jurisdictions have not yet done so.
For example, Toronto uses the reflective band.
(https://i.imgur.com/6xdghzc.png)
Meanwhile, Peel Region does not.
(https://i.imgur.com/ovXZSJd.png)
There are a bunch on the CO-82 corridor from Glenwood Springs to Aspen.
These are everywhere in Utah - UDOT and local installs alike. I don't believe UDOT has installed a single new backplate without the yellow reflective strip in probably 10 years now.
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 07, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Some Ontario jurisdictions have a reflective plate along the backplate of the signals, while other jurisdictions have not yet done so.
You may be interested to know that British Columbia actually invented the yellow retroreflective edging. It was tested on Vancouver Island in the late 1990s. Its success led to MUTCD implementation some number of years later.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 09, 2021, 04:01:08 AM
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 07, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Some Ontario jurisdictions have a reflective plate along the backplate of the signals, while other jurisdictions have not yet done so.
You may be interested to know that British Columbia actually invented the yellow retroreflective edging. It was tested on Vancouver Island in the late 1990s. Its success led to MUTCD implementation some number of years later.
TIL! Thanks for the information!
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 09, 2021, 08:43:48 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 09, 2021, 04:01:08 AM
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 07, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Some Ontario jurisdictions have a reflective plate along the backplate of the signals, while other jurisdictions have not yet done so.
You may be interested to know that British Columbia actually invented the yellow retroreflective edging. It was tested on Vancouver Island in the late 1990s. Its success led to MUTCD implementation some number of years later.
TIL! Thanks for the information!
Here is the original study: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/miska_02.pdf
It was performed in 1998 along McKenzie Ave in Victoria, between the Pat Bay Highway and the Trans Canada Highway.
I don't know of any backplates in BC that do not have the yellow retroreflective border at this point.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 09, 2021, 01:42:46 PM
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 09, 2021, 08:43:48 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 09, 2021, 04:01:08 AM
Quote from: andrepoiy on June 07, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Some Ontario jurisdictions have a reflective plate along the backplate of the signals, while other jurisdictions have not yet done so.
You may be interested to know that British Columbia actually invented the yellow retroreflective edging. It was tested on Vancouver Island in the late 1990s. Its success led to MUTCD implementation some number of years later.
TIL! Thanks for the information!
Here is the original study: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/miska_02.pdf
It was performed in 1998 along McKenzie Ave in Victoria, between the Pat Bay Highway and the Trans Canada Highway.
I don't know of any backplates in BC that do not have the yellow retroreflective border at this point.
I found the intersection shown in Figure 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shelbourne+St+%26+Hillside+Ave,+Victoria,+BC+V8T+2C5/@48.4457493,-123.3332841,3a,41.9y,236.77h,90.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssb_P4WRrNfbke110vLqcig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x548f747554b56817:0xc2147af38597b2e!8m2!3d48.4457008!4d-123.3333792) (the side-by-side comparison of a reflective and non-reflective signal, note the Chevron, DQ, and McDonald's in the background) and interestingly, the non-reflective signal on the right still does not have reflective tape 20+ years later. The signal on the left has
white reflective tape, and a
black backplate, which I have NEVER seen in BC before. There are some other black backplates, with and without reflective tape at this intersection as well. I guess they wanted to study a bunch of different combinations of backplate / tape colours and then never changed the signals back to normal.
I've seen this intersection before and always wondered why it is how it is, but I guess I know why now!
Can we come back to this topic because bakersfield Has MORE than one
A few IDOT districts, like those near Peoria, use reflective strips heavily and went to great lengths to get them on most installations, regardless of how minor, some even going as far as to mount new reflective strips onto extremely old signals and backplates mounted on pedestals or trombone trusses (properly like they used to do, not with brackets like a heathen, but that's a different discussion).
This example is in Taylorville, all the way back in 2013:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5586585,-89.2982237,3a,75y,275.63h,99.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7Q58JjcGPSy5EeMHD0CoaA!2e0!5s20131001T000000!7i13312!8i6656
IDOT District 1 is putting them onto very new signal installations, along with pedestal-mounted backplates, and IDOT District 3 seems to lack interest completely. At Illinois 23 and U.S. 6 in Ottawa (an intersection so recently redone it isn't even on Google Maps), just this year they put up shiny new black signals (five-sections, no less!), with not a single reflective strip on the backplates.
Quote from: Hobart on June 08, 2022, 10:08:11 PM
A few IDOT districts, like those near Peoria, use reflective strips heavily and went to great lengths to get them on most installations, regardless of how minor, some even going as far as to mount new reflective strips onto extremely old signals and backplates mounted on pedestals or trombone trusses (properly like they used to do, not with brackets like a heathen, but that's a different discussion).
Per Article 1078.03 on Page 1031 (or 1048/1217) of 2022 Standard Specs in Illinois (https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Doing-Business/Manuals-Guides-&-Handbooks/Highways/Construction/Standard-Specifications/2022%20Standard%20Specifications%20for%20Road%20and%20Bridge%20Construction.pdf), the default backplate in Illinois has retroreflective tape.
Quote from: Hobart on June 08, 2022, 10:08:11 PM
IDOT District 1 is putting them onto very new signal installations, along with pedestal-mounted backplates, and IDOT District 3 seems to lack interest completely.
Last I heard D-1 still does not like using backplates for signal heads not on mast arms - are those you are seeing actually on IDOT roadways, and not just on projects where Kane County was the lead and maintaining the signal after construction?
Quote from: Lukeisroads on June 08, 2022, 02:04:48 PM
Can we come back to this topic because bakersfield Has MORE than one
It would be kind of stupid if they only made one backplate in the whole city reflective.
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 08, 2022, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: Hobart on June 08, 2022, 10:08:11 PM
A few IDOT districts, like those near Peoria, use reflective strips heavily and went to great lengths to get them on most installations, regardless of how minor, some even going as far as to mount new reflective strips onto extremely old signals and backplates mounted on pedestals or trombone trusses (properly like they used to do, not with brackets like a heathen, but that's a different discussion).
Per Article 1078.03 on Page 1031 (or 1048/1217) of 2022 Standard Specs in Illinois (https://idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Doing-Business/Manuals-Guides-&-Handbooks/Highways/Construction/Standard-Specifications/2022%20Standard%20Specifications%20for%20Road%20and%20Bridge%20Construction.pdf), the default backplate in Illinois has retroreflective tape.
Quote from: Hobart on June 08, 2022, 10:08:11 PM
IDOT District 1 is putting them onto very new signal installations, along with pedestal-mounted backplates, and IDOT District 3 seems to lack interest completely.
Last I heard D-1 still does not like using backplates for signal heads not on mast arms - are those you are seeing actually on IDOT roadways, and not just on projects where Kane County was the lead and maintaining the signal after construction?
Actually yeah, I think it is Kane County doing it up on Longmeadow Parkway. I remember seeing exactly one example somewhere else but I think it was also Kane County.
They're onto something though!
These reflective borders have made it to Texas. A new traffic signal on SH 289 in Gunter was installed with them. And the new lights are vertical, not horizontal.
Quote from: Road Hog on June 10, 2022, 07:11:42 AM
These reflective borders have made it to Texas. A new traffic signal on SH 289 in Gunter was installed with them. And the new lights are vertical, not horizontal.
Something is up in Texas. I've been seeing a lot more post mounted signals in Texas too, even near-side signals. And yeah, more vertical signals too even in the parts of Texas that normally use horizontal signals (many places but not everywhere to my knowledge). Was not aware that they had also started using the retroreflective yellow border, but that makes sense too.
Sounds like Texas may be trying to align with practices of the other Southwestern states. That would be a good thing.
New Mexico is dabbling in vertical overhead signals in Farmington as they are adding FYA signals. Intersections with FYAs are all vertically mounted.
And yes, yellow border backplates are also being phased in as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/ikKHoPV9Jj78PADZ7
Are there any horizontal signals with reflective backplates? I can't say I've seen any.
Quote from: plain on June 11, 2022, 09:07:36 PM
Are there any horizontal signals with reflective backplates? I can't say I've seen any.
Green Bay is experimenting reflective backplates at a couple intersections. Notice that the reflective tape is not at the edge. https://goo.gl/maps/85o8k51cC8f5TMB9A
Quote from: Big John on June 11, 2022, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: plain on June 11, 2022, 09:07:36 PM
Are there any horizontal signals with reflective backplates? I can't say I've seen any.
Green Bay is experimenting reflective backplates at a couple intersections. Notice that the reflective tape is not at the edge. https://goo.gl/maps/85o8k51cC8f5TMB9A
That's very interesting. It works.
Also, I've seen some installs where the tape didn't reach the edge but I forgot where. Might have been MA or NH.
Quote from: thenetwork on June 11, 2022, 08:18:17 PM
New Mexico is dabbling in vertical overhead signals in Farmington as they are adding FYA signals. Intersections with FYAs are all vertically mounted.
Weird. When I was last up there, there was exactly one vertical intersection somewhere on US 64 between Bloomfield and Shiprock. Granted, that was almost five years ago...
Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I can think of a single FYA in the state. I thought I remembered seeing some recently in Albuquerque but I'm not finding them on street view (maybe I'm confusing with Texas). New Mexico doesn't seem to me like a jurisdiction that would be interested in much "forward thinking" in any transportation design - traffic signals included.
Quote from: US 89 on June 12, 2022, 12:39:48 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on June 11, 2022, 08:18:17 PM
New Mexico is dabbling in vertical overhead signals in Farmington as they are adding FYA signals. Intersections with FYAs are all vertically mounted.
Weird. When I was last up there, there was exactly one vertical intersection somewhere on US 64 between Bloomfield and Shiprock. Granted, that was almost five years ago...
Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I can think of a single FYA in the state. I thought I remembered seeing some recently in Albuquerque but I'm not finding them on street view (maybe I'm confusing with Texas). New Mexico doesn't seem to me like a jurisdiction that would be interested in much "forward thinking" in any transportation design - traffic signals included.
Vertical-mounted FYA signals in NM? https://goo.gl/maps/ikKHoPV9Jj78PADZ7
Horizontal mounted signals with yellow bordered backplates? Yep, Farmington has them too:
https://goo.gl/maps/gsfDEPjZQXxDyNhW8
Quote from: thenetwork on June 12, 2022, 11:51:45 AM
Horizontal mounted signals with yellow bordered backplates? Yep, Farmington has them too:
https://goo.gl/maps/gsfDEPjZQXxDyNhW8
A bit off topic, but the overhead mounting style of those horizontal signal heads is a bit unusual too, with the entirety of the signal head mounted above the mast arm. Most of the time I've seen horizontal signal heads, the head is even with or below the mast arm.
Quote from: roadfro on June 19, 2022, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on June 12, 2022, 11:51:45 AM
Horizontal mounted signals with yellow bordered backplates? Yep, Farmington has them too:
https://goo.gl/maps/gsfDEPjZQXxDyNhW8
A bit off topic, but the overhead mounting style of those horizontal signal heads is a bit unusual too, with the entirety of the signal head mounted above the mast arm. Most of the time I've seen horizontal signal heads, the head is even with or below the mast arm.
Keep in mind, this is Farmington, NM...the city of no rhyme or reason when it comes to signals or signs. The city of Clearview STOP signs.