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Title: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 24, 2013, 08:02:11 PM
I just saw this sign in an article about a storm moving across the country:
http://weather.aol.com/2013/11/24/wintery-storm-threatens-thanksgiving-travels/
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So are the white on black "Chains Required" signs MUTCD compliant, or is there no standard for this in the rest of the country?



Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: Big John on November 24, 2013, 08:13:24 PM
I see this CALTRANS MUTCD but not national MUTCD:  http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/signtech/signdel/specs/R76.pdf
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Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: briantroutman on November 24, 2013, 09:09:02 PM
The national MUTCD contains white-on-blue service signs for chain-up areas but does not include any regulatory signs requiring the use of chains.

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White and black would be the right color combination for a regulatory sign, although I'm not sure why CalTrans would specify a positive contrast (white-on-black) instead of the more typical negative contrast black-on-white. Perhaps they wanted the black background so the sign would stand out better in heavy snow?

The only regulatory signs I can think of that use the positive contrast legend are the NIGHT speed limit sign (for obvious reasons) and the now deprecated '71-spec "ALL TRUCKS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES NEXT RIGHT" sign. The '71 MUTCD even says "Although the standard regulatory sign color combination is a black legend on a white background, the reverse color combination, white legend on black background, is preferred for this sign." Why–I have no idea.
Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: Revive 755 on November 24, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
^ In the Dallas TX area there are a few 'Left turn signal/Left turn yield on green ball' signs that have the 'left turn signal part as white on black.
Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: mass_citizen on November 24, 2013, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 24, 2013, 09:09:02 PM

The only regulatory signs I can think of that use the positive contrast legend are the NIGHT speed limit sign (for obvious reasons) and the now deprecated '71-spec "ALL TRUCKS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES NEXT RIGHT" sign. The '71 MUTCD even says "Although the standard regulatory sign color combination is a black legend on a white background, the reverse color combination, white legend on black background, is preferred for this sign." Why–I have no idea.

I have seen a few "ALL TRUCKS..."  signs in MA and NH that look newer than the 70s (either that or the black background hides its age). Usually prior to weigh stations.
Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: briantroutman on November 24, 2013, 11:27:38 PM
Quote from: mass_citizen on November 24, 2013, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on November 24, 2013, 09:09:02 PM
the now deprecated '71-spec "ALL TRUCKS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES NEXT RIGHT" sign...

I have seen a few "ALL TRUCKS..."  signs in MA and NH that look newer than the 70s (either that or the black background hides its age). Usually prior to weigh stations.

It appears that the '71 spec sign was still current through the 2003 edition, when white-on-black moved from being the preferred signage to being merely an option, although they kept the white-on-black sign in the example. Then in 2009, they changed the example sign to black-on-white (and changed the legend to read "TRUCKS OVER XX TONS"), but positive contrast remains an option.

Quote from: 2003 MUTCD
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Quote from: 2009 MUTCD
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Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 25, 2013, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on November 24, 2013, 08:02:11 PM
I just saw this sign in an article about a storm moving across the country:
http://weather.aol.com/2013/11/24/wintery-storm-threatens-thanksgiving-travels/
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhss-prod.hss.aol.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fadam%2Ff9a6481992ad9475a0723e77a211663e%2FThanksgiving-storms-575.jpg&hash=2ce4b056939fa78cd6767542cb277fe0b1452e1e)

So are the white on black "Chains Required" signs MUTCD compliant, or is there no standard for this in the rest of the country?

I'd be more concerned about the vehicle with a burned out headlight than whether the sign is compliant or not. 
Title: Re: Chains Required sign; MUTCD compliant or not?
Post by: Alps on November 25, 2013, 06:30:13 PM
Fully MUTCD compliant. White on black is just as regulatory as black on white.