I have to drive a U-haul for my daughter this Christmas from Seattle to Las vegas. I was just wondering what the road is like and if I would be better off going through Boise and then straight down or just go down I-5 and fight the Siskiyous and then cut over by LA? I have driven the I-5 route before and once when the pass was closed I was able to cut over to the coast and go down through Crescent City. I would have the cascades to cross right here at Seattle but i was wondering what other passes I would have to go up and over to get to Boise and then down to Las Vegas. All information and opinions are welcome. :hmmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Route_58
QuoteOR 58 is a designated freight route, forming one of several connections between I-5 and US 97, which leads back to I-5 at Weed, California. This is a popular alternate route for trucks on the I-5 corridor, avoiding the steep grades and winter closures of I-5 over Siskiyou Summit.
Then you can cut down 97-39-139-299-395-A3-395 to Reno and 80-50A-95 to Vegas. I'd avoid 139 direct to Susanville due to what appears to be a twisty downgrade.
I'd recommend going through Boise (or very close to it, on US 95), but make sure to watch the weather reports. That stretch between I-84 and, oh, Tonopah can cause as many blizzard surprises as anything found in the Great Plains. I think the only pass should be Snoqualmie Pass on I-90, right in your own backyard.
84 to 93 would definitely be the easiest when the roads are bad, though it isn't the most exciting of drives. Emigrant Hill and a small grade by Ely would be the only substantial mountain passes you'd have to navigate. It does get pretty snowy down there on the high plains from Wells down to about the 318 turnoff (take 318), but there's no traffic, great sightlines, and they take good care of the road.
All three of the suggestions by NE2, Brad and corco are good. NE2's is the most direct, although there still might be construction on the Salt Creek Tunnel on OR 58 causing delays. This is probably also the most scenic way. But corco's also right that I-90-82-84 and US 93 is probably the safer route for avoiding winter weather problems; as Brad says, you'll probably hit the worst spot, Snoqualmie Pass, right in your backyard there. But if you want to swing through California, Siskiyou Pass isn't that bad that you absolutely need to avoid it. Assuming I-5, CA 58, I-15 is the route you're planning, you miss most of the major cities and hit very few passes.
Whatever route you take, enjoy the trip!
Quote from: xonhulu on November 28, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
NE2's is the most direct, although there still might be construction on the Salt Creek Tunnel on OR 58 causing delays.
It's actually about 40 miles longer. Thanks, I-82!
Quote from: NE2 on November 28, 2013, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: xonhulu on November 28, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
NE2's is the most direct, although there still might be construction on the Salt Creek Tunnel on OR 58 causing delays.
It's actually about 40 minutes longer. Thanks, I-82!
Hey, it would be the most direct for me.
Oops, I mean miles. Time is wibbly wobbly.
It will depend on the last minute pass reports. I want the least amount of snow as I have to drive the U-haul and have two 20 something's following me in their cars. I appreciate all the suggestions.
Quote from: norman52 on November 29, 2013, 09:43:47 AM
It will depend on the last minute pass reports. I want the least amount of snow as I have to drive the U-haul and have two 20 something's following me in their cars. I appreciate all the suggestions.
If you're looking for the least amount of snow and I-5 is clear from Ashland to Redding, I would use I-5, CA-46, CA-99, CA-58 and I-15. While CA-58 does go over the Tehachapi mountains, it is rarely closed due to snow and the other mountain passes, Halloran and Mountain, on I-15 between Baker and the Nevada stateline are also rarely closed due to snow.
Note: You mentioned that you'd be doing this near Christmas so I will add a word of warning. If California has any significant amount of rainfall before your trip, you might run into some rather nasty valley fog (also called "tule" or "ground" fog) in California's central valley. If you're not used to driving in near-zero visibility, it can be a hair-raising experience... trust me, I've done it once and vow never to willingly do it again!
Quote from: NE2 on November 28, 2013, 12:23:37 PMI'd avoid 139 direct to Susanville due to what appears to be a twisty downgrade.
CA-139 between CA-299 and Susanville is an winding, narrow old county road. Drive it once (not in winter) and it's not likely you'll ever drive it again. And good grief, definitely not with a U-Haul.
My preferred route from Portland to Reno is US-26 to US-97 to OR-31 to US-395, with the A-3 shortcut near Honey Lake. Past Government Camp, there's almost no traffic anywhere on that route except in the Madras to Bend area. However, for the OP's purposes, in late December the trip over US-26 wouldn't likely be easy. Any route through either Bakersfield or Boise is probably better than anything that would go through Reno.
I was just wondering, if on the day i leave Snoqualmie pass is looking ugly, what would I run into going south to Portland and then east through Pendleton and Boise? Any passes to go through? I drove through Pendleton 40 years ago and hit enough ice to scare me but I don't remember any big hills.
Just Emigrant Hill east of Pendleton- otherwise it's pretty flat. That was always my backup Seattle-Idaho route in the winters when I lived up there.
Also Boise to Las Vegas, I 84 and then 93 straight down or I-84 and I-15 through Salt Lake? Google shows that the Salt Lake route is 100 miles longer but only an hour longer in time? Higher speed limits or more freeway instead of two lane roads?
I would do US 93- less traffic and easier terrain. Sweetzer Summit on 84 can get pretty nasty with wind/snow- plus Salt Lake traffic. Speed limit is 80 in rural areas in Utah, 70 on US 93. Nevada takes good care of 93/318 when it gets dicey
Thank you. Speed i don't need as 60MPH will be just fine in a U-Haul.
Just make sure you use 93 to 6 to 318 to 93 instead of just 93- Nevada takes very good care of the former route, which also is pretty much flat and straight. Staying on 93 wont be plowed as well and you will have an extra small mountain pass.
Yes, that is the route Google showed.
Don't forget 318. And wave to corco when you pass through Udaho.
Glad I am not going today. Everywhere is packed snow.
Quote from: norman52 on December 06, 2013, 07:52:37 AM
I was just wondering, if on the day i leave Snoqualmie pass is looking ugly, what would I run into going south to Portland and then east through Pendleton and Boise? Any passes to go through? I drove through Pendleton 40 years ago and hit enough ice to scare me but I don't remember any big hills.
There are no passes or hills between Portland and Pendleton, but in the winter, the roads can still be quite icy and treacherous through the gorge, mostly between Troutdale and Hood River (much worse than something like I-5 from Seattle to Portland, despite similar elevations). It's usually better than the passes due to its low elevation, but not always. Just a warning.
I just realized I have a plan C and that is to drive 101 South along the coast unless Washington gets snow south of Olympia like it did yesterday.. Once to Astoria it would be just rain to San Francisco.Long and curvy and slow but at least it is a back up plan.
Don't forget that a loaded Uhaul will actually be quite good on ice/snow if you encounter it- the weight will give you quite a bit of traction. Just make sure you get a rig with decent tires.
Quote from: corco on December 06, 2013, 10:57:21 AM
Just make sure you use 93 to 6 to 318 to 93 instead of just 93- Nevada takes very good care of the former route, which also is pretty much flat and straight. Staying on 93 wont be plowed as well and you will have an extra small mountain pass.
Leaving Ely and taking US 6 to SR 318 is the shorter route between Ely and Crystal Springs on the way south to Vegas. This is the NHS route instead of US 93 between those points. SR 318 is very well maintained road and is fairly straight, since it is the route used in the annual Silver State Classic open road races.
US 93 is probably a nicer drive from a scenic perspective (it's a state scenic byway around there), but that's likely not high on your priority list for this trip.
I've driven both ways after snow events....they seem to put a good amount of mag chloride on the 318 route and plow it well. 93 through Pioche...doesn't even seem like they run a plow through it unless there's a lot of snow.
From the point of view of least likely problems, I-90, I-82, I-84, US-93.
Plan B, if Snoqualmie Pass looks bad, is I-5, I-205, I-84.
Sometimes you get snow on I-84 between Pendleton and La Grande. Check the reports, and if bad either wait for it to clear, usually not more than 12 hours or so, or (Plan C!) take US-12 east from the Tri Cities, then US-95 south.
The Willamette Valley and the California Central Valley are prone to fog in the winter, plus crowded. I'd avoid them since they're out of the way anyway. Also the Siskiyous can be nothing or they can be awful and they change quickly. Inland is the better strategy.
I'd avoid 101 with a trailer. Yes, it's pretty, and mostly snow free, but slow and twisty in a lot of sections.
Quotethen US-95 south
Though US 95 does have Whitebird Hill to deal with, which is probably the worst pass of any along either route (maybe not as long, but it's really steep with no flat places to slow down- of all the passes in the northwest, I think that's the one I'd be least excited to drive a Uhaul over- I even like negotiating the Lewiston Grade more than Whitebird). Only do this if it's absolutely clear that there's no snow on 95 and there is snow on other roads.
I would stay away from I-5 between Eugene and Redding because of all the curves. The Siskiyou Pass is actually not the hard part in Oregon: the real grind is between Medford and Eugene, where the speed limit is generally 65 MPH but there are numerous curves with advisory speeds (signed using Oregon DOT's version of the Moskowitz sign) ranging from 45 to 55 MPH. In fact, I-5 in Oregon is one damn curve after another from MP 0 to MP 170. There are numerous reduced-speed curves in California between the Oregon state line and Redding as well.
In comparison, I-84 has far fewer reduced-speed curves between Emigrant Hill and Ontario, and with the exception of a few mountain pass alignments near Ely and Pioche, US 93 is largely a basin-bottom routing.
okay, leaving tomorrow AM. A couple more questions. How about a good gas station around Pendleton Something easy to get into with a 24ft Moving truck 13ft tall. Need Diesel. It can be before or after +/- 20 miles. Just want it easy in and out. Same thing probably around exit 53 I-84 in Boise?The kids cars have a range of around 300 miles and the moving van 450-500 miles on 50 gallons. I would just top up the van while they fill up. Probably one more stop around Ely. Ely might be pushing it for them as I am thinking they have about a 300 mile range with some reserve. Any ideas? I really appreciate all the help.
There are a couple truck stops in Wells too if you want to fill up there. Vista which is Exit 53 in Boise probably wont be the easiest to fill up at. There is a nice TA with good prices just off Broadway on the south side of the freeway- that would be about as easy on easy off as you can find in Boise.
the TA on Broadway is perfect. now just Pendleton and Ely. Wells is a possibility. I can make Vegas from there and the Kids can get gas anyplace between Wells and Vegas.
Well, we made it. Thank goodness the weather was great. That climb out of Pendleton would be nasty in bad weather. Also the climb out of Ely. All we had was some dence fog. 21 hours behind the wheel and one night in Boise. The loaded 24ft truck took 102 gallons total (Diesel). Thanks again for all the help.