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Title: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpjObipl.jpg&hash=ee51b44c5140e99de980b1c206b8c9ded63b8c93)
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.897866,-93.409967&spn=0.012327,0.028346&gl=us&t=m&z=16
Looks like a fun place to get lost. Is there anywhere else like this?
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on December 04, 2013, 07:58:48 PM
Someone tried really hard to discourage through traffic, I guess.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 08:03:58 PM
Quote from: Dr Frankenstein on December 04, 2013, 07:58:48 PM
Someone tried really hard to discourage through traffic, I guess.
If they wanted to do that they wouldn't have multi-lane roads without stops, grade separated from pathways. This is an expansion of the roundabout idea where you want to keep traffic flowing.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Alps on December 04, 2013, 08:08:04 PM
Here's a section of Bloomfield, NJ that succumbed: http://goo.gl/maps/7YseZ
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: getemngo on December 04, 2013, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
Looks like a fun place to get lost. Is there anywhere else like this?

I really like the drive-on-the-left divided road (http://goo.gl/maps/ck6he) that results.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: sammi on December 04, 2013, 10:00:26 PM
My ex-boyfriend's city has the downtown area where he lives composed almost entirely of one-way streets. I hear they're converting some of them to two-way now, but the project is stalled for some reason. I've never been to the suburbs, so I wouldn't know.

EDIT: At the risk of being called out as off-topic :P, I want to clarify. Whether or not Hamilton counts as a suburb of Toronto, I do not know.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: hotdogPi on December 04, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
This part of Boston, including MA 2.

http://goo.gl/maps/myTV9
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 04, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
This part of Boston, including MA 2.

http://goo.gl/maps/myTV9
Suburbs in name only don't count.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: hotdogPi on December 04, 2013, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 04, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
This part of Boston, including MA 2.

http://goo.gl/maps/myTV9
Suburbs in name only don't count.

Didn't realize this thread was about suburbs only. Sorry.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 04, 2013, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 04, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
This part of Boston, including MA 2.

http://goo.gl/maps/myTV9
Suburbs in name only don't count.

Didn't realize this thread was about suburbs only. Sorry.

Most large cities are full of one-way streets. Salt Lake City is a rare outlier (thanks, Joseph Smith!).
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Alex4897 on December 04, 2013, 10:37:23 PM
Missing your turn would suck there.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Jardine on December 04, 2013, 11:08:25 PM
Might be a germ of an idea for a Stephen King horror novel here.

All the streets are one way . . .


. . . .dead ends.



:wow:
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Alps on December 04, 2013, 11:22:45 PM
Quote from: Jardine on December 04, 2013, 11:08:25 PM
Might be a germ of an idea for a Stephen King horror novel here.

All the streets are one way . . .


. . . .dead ends.



:wow:
I think I will be kept awake tonight just thanks to this one post. One of my deepest-rooted fears.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Brandon on December 05, 2013, 07:26:39 AM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 04, 2013, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: NE2 on December 04, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 04, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
This part of Boston, including MA 2.

http://goo.gl/maps/myTV9
Suburbs in name only don't count.

Didn't realize this thread was about suburbs only. Sorry.

Most large cities are full of one-way streets. Salt Lake City is a rare outlier (thanks, Joseph Smith!).

I think you mean Brigham Young.  Joseph Smith was long dead before the trek to the Salt Lake area.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: NE2 on December 05, 2013, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: Brandon on December 05, 2013, 07:26:39 AM
I think you mean Brigham Young.  Joseph Smith was long dead before the trek to the Salt Lake area.
Actually it was Joseph Smith, but that's just luck on my part. Mormon cities generally followed this plan: http://www.library.cornell.edu/Reps/DOCS/smith.htm
QuoteIn 1832 Smith visited Independence again to meet with some 300 of his followers. The following June Smith sent from Kirtland a plat of the City of Zion that was to be located near Independence. That drawing included written specifications for the city and was accompanied by a letter with a further explanation of the design. The notes on the drawing specified that all streets were to [sic] 132 feet wide.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2013, 09:49:13 AM
An unincorporated and close-in suburb of Baltimore [City], Maryland - Dundalk (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=dundalk+md&ll=39.258775,-76.518338&spn=0.008125,0.015857&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=np&hnear=Dundalk,+Baltimore,+Maryland&gl=us&t=m&z=16), Baltimore County, Maryland has many narrow one-way streets (I don't think any of them end in dead-ends).
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 09:56:34 AM
In some older suburbs I'd be happier if they had more one-way streets. I can think of a number of two-way streets that are busy enough to have traffic lights yet do not have either dedicated left-turn lanes (TWLTL or otherwise) or green arrow signals, meaning someone turning left holds up the traffic big-time. It's often easier just to go around the block instead, of course, but for some reason this idea doesn't occur to people.

I remember back in 2001 prior to buying the house I live in now I had looked at another house that was on a one-way loop street about halfway around the loop. One major reason for not considering that house was that I felt I'd get very tired of going around that loop every time I went in or out. (See map here: http://goo.gl/maps/T0qUS  The house for sale was on Norham Drive roughly where the second arrow is, the one pointing to the map-viewer's right.) There were other factors that made me rule that place out, but the one-way street definitely factored into the decision too.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: KEVIN_224 on December 05, 2013, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: sammi on December 04, 2013, 10:00:26 PM
My ex-boyfriend's city has the downtown area where he lives composed almost entirely of one-way streets. I hear they're converting some of them to two-way now, but the project is stalled for some reason. I've never been to the suburbs, so I wouldn't know.

EDIT: At the risk of being called out as off-topic :P, I want to clarify. Whether or not Hamilton counts as a suburb of Toronto, I do not know.

It's 38 mi/61 km from Toronto, if you drew a straight line. I've never been there, just that I know it's part of the "Golden Triangle".
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: sammi on December 05, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 05, 2013, 01:18:30 PM
Quote from: sammi on December 04, 2013, 10:00:26 PM
Whether or not Hamilton counts as a suburb of Toronto, I do not know.

It's 38 mi/61 km from Toronto, if you drew a straight line. I've never been there, just that I know it's part of the "Golden Triangle Horseshoe".

But I don't know whether or not the entire area still counts as the suburbs of Toronto. I know my city does.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: KEVIN_224 on December 05, 2013, 02:06:13 PM
Horseshoe? Ugh! You're right! Told ya I've never been in that region!  :banghead:
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: hotdogPi on December 25, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D39.93897%2C-75.118804%26amp%3Bsize%3D640x400%26amp%3Bzoom%3D17%26amp%3Bsensor%3Dfalse&hash=0ddfce29266f8c4ae1c3e935210a156dff498646)


Camden, NJ
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Zeffy on December 25, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
Camden's a suburb now? I feel like many cities are full of one-way streets - I've seen plenty in Trenton for example.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: NE2 on December 25, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
What I was really looking for is typical suburban development where the collectors and arterials are one-way. Not a typical street grid or slight modification with one-way streets.

The new town of Redditch, England has a bit of this: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.307232,-1.939838&spn=0.01064,0.028346&t=m&z=16
Though the Redditch Ringway is really almost a freeway in US terms.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: vtk on December 27, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 25, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
Camden's a suburb now?

I recently read that all of NJ is a suburb.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 27, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 25, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
Camden's a suburb now?

I recently read that all of NJ is a suburb.
That's cute. I recently read all of Ohio sucks. But I've been there, so I know it's just a particular area within Columbus.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Zeffy on December 27, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 27, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
I recently read that all of NJ is a suburb.

Newark and Jersey City beg to differ.

OT: Manville seems to be chock full of one-way streets, but I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for, considering it has a psuedo street grid system:

https://goo.gl/maps/myJ0m

Also, how the hell do you get the coordinates to embed a Google Map image in your post? The only thing I can figure out right now is the latitude and longitude.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: vtk on December 27, 2013, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 27, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 25, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
Camden's a suburb now?

I recently read that all of NJ is a suburb.
That's cute. I recently read all of Ohio sucks. But I've been there, so I know it's just a particular area within Columbus.

To be specific, I read that in one of NE2's posts in another thread. I'm sure your source is equally reputable, though I lament the escalation of malice ("is a suburb"  → "sucks" ).




Quote from: Zeffy on December 27, 2013, 11:19:18 PM
Also, how the hell do you get the coordinates to embed a Google Map image in your post? The only thing I can figure out right now is the latitude and longitude.

I'm pretty sure that was just a screenshot added to the post as any other static image. You can't embed arbitrary things in posts that aren't explicitly accomodated by BBCode tags – I believe that's a design feature meant to thwart malicious exploits.

Upon further review, that's not a screenshot, but it's still just a simple image as far as the forum is concerned. To find out how to do that yourself, try googling "google maps api image" .
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 27, 2013, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 27, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 25, 2013, 08:38:31 PM
Camden's a suburb now?

I recently read that all of NJ is a suburb.

Kinda sorta.  Yeah, if you want to define a suburb where a lot of people live while working in the city, a good portion of NJ is either a suburb of NYC or Philly.  To say that it's ALL a suburb is pushing it though...I wouldn't consider Cape May or Cumberland Counties suburbs of either major city for example.

In most other states not bordered by 2 of the 6 largest cities in America barely 100 miles away from each other, Atlantic City, Trenton, Camden, Newark, etc would all be decent cities, have their own TV/Radio stations, etc.  (And yes, while there are a few stations within each of those cities, we're not talking all of the Big 4.)  Heck, I'm still amazed that Trenton is able to maintain 2 daily newspapers.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 27, 2013, 11:37:27 PM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 27, 2013, 10:19:49 PM

I recently read that all of NJ is a suburb.
That's cute. I recently read all of Ohio sucks. But I've been there, so I know it's just a particular area within Columbus.

To be specific, I read that in one of NE2's posts in another thread. I'm sure your source is equally reputable, though I lament the escalation of malice ("is a suburb"  → "sucks" ).

Sweeping generalizations are sweeping, is my point.
Manville is indeed a suburb (up to you whether you want to consider Somerville the "city" or not). At least 70% of the state is not at all urban or suburban. People just like pointing at the 30%.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Zeffy on December 28, 2013, 12:01:31 AM
Quote from: Steve on December 27, 2013, 11:47:03 PM
Manville is indeed a suburb (up to you whether you want to consider Somerville the "city" or not).

I mean, I could kinda say Somerville is a very small city at most, but in reality it's just a borough. Of course, I realized that in New Jersey, a borough honestly is a small city...

Also, I Googled how to use their API but even the developer reference doesn't list shit: the coordinates of what I want to use are 40° 32.831, -74° 35.537, so someone tell me how to translate that into a Google Map image, because what I've tried has not worked at all.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: vtk on December 28, 2013, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on December 28, 2013, 12:01:31 AM
Also, I Googled how to use their API but even the developer reference doesn't list shit: the coordinates of what I want to use are 40° 32.831, -74° 35.537, so someone tell me how to translate that into a Google Map image, because what I've tried has not worked at all.


There's a simple example here: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/imageapis/

The latitude and longitude are specified in the "center=" parameter. I'm not sure which is first, so you'll have to try one then the other. North and East are positive, South and West are negative (probably).  Also, you need to specify the coordinates in decimal degrees, not degrees plus decimal minutes as you wrote above.  The "zoom=" parameter is another one you just kinda have to guess at and see which gives the right coverage.  The "size=" parameter is the size of the image you're asking for, in pixels.  As for the last parameter, "sensor=false" will be correct for just about every conceiveable use case you'll likely have.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: dgolub on December 28, 2013, 10:51:53 AM
How about Long Beach, NY?  There are a lot of one-way streets there.
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Zeffy on December 28, 2013, 11:11:05 AM
Using VTK's information.. (and some decimal degree calculator I Googled):

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D40.547316%2C-74.5922%26amp%3Bsize%3D640x400%26amp%3Bzoom%3D17%26amp%3B%26amp%3Bmaptype%3Droadmap%26amp%3Bsensor%3Dfalse%26amp%3Bvisual_refresh%3Dtrue&hash=49813f3aea2b634fb0516ac1c30d426bf882b76a)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D40.5401%2C-74.588717%26amp%3Bsize%3D640x400%26amp%3Bzoom%3D17%26amp%3B%26amp%3Bmaptype%3Droadmap%26amp%3Bsensor%3Dfalse%26amp%3Bvisual_refresh%3Dtrue&hash=fed0532032f47ee734b8e834487c5f291104cf93)
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2013, 11:45:04 AM
Why are we still included grids in this discussion? 
Title: Re: Suburb full of one-way streets
Post by: Alps on December 29, 2013, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 28, 2013, 11:45:04 AM
Why are we still included grids in this discussion? 
Because many suburbs are on a grid system.