Are there any other examples of this besides these:
231 & 331 in Florida (31 doesn't travel through Florida)
129 in Tennessee
278 in Arkansas (although since 278 was extended west of Tupelo, MS, in the late '90's, it's a Johnny come lately)
321 in Tennessee
311 in North Carolina
158 in North Carolina
220 in North Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland
Note: 163, 400, 412 and 425 don't count
I'm sure there are many more.
Just off the top of my head, what about US 202 in DE, PA, NJ, and CT?
And US 491 in NM and CO–and historically, it's predecessor (US 666) in CO and UT.
270 Kansas: only one that enters a state where the parent's number is an Interstate?
Quote from: briantroutman on December 05, 2013, 12:46:32 AM
I'm sure there are many more.
Just off the top of my head, what about US 202 in DE, PA, NJ, and CT?
And US 491 in NM and CO–and historically, it's predecessor (US 666) in CO and UT.
Add US 206 to that for NJ.
Might want to point out that US 101 doesn't count either!
301 in Delaware
310 in Montana and Wyoming - has no states in common with US 10!
119 in Kentucky
219 in New York and Maryland
218 in Minnesota
221 in Florida and Georgia
421 in Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, and Indiana
222 in Maryland
522 in Maryland and Virginia
127 in Michigan
136 in Nebraska and Iowa
150 in Kentucky
151 in Iowa
160 in Colorado and Kansas
167 in Louisiana
275 in Missouri
180 in Arizona and New Mexico
191 in Montana, Wyoming, and Arizona
And I'll bet we're still missing a dozen.
395 in Washington
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3416.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3416.0)
US 385 in Nebraska and Oklahoma
US 550 in New Mexico
US 830 in Washington
178 in North Carolina
US 301 in Delaware.
US 127 in Michigan, thanks to M-DOT!!!
Delaware US 122
340 in Virginia.
271 in Oklahoma
380 in New Mexico (since the 90's)
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
340 in Virginia.
Twice!
Which then raises the question of whether that ever happens anywhere else (i.e., a 3-digit US route
twice enters a state its "parent" route does not). I'm too lazy to correlate all the references in this thread on a map.
US 258 in North Carolina.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 10:29:35 AM
Which then raises the question of whether that ever happens anywhere else (i.e., a 3-digit US route twice enters a state its "parent" route does not). I'm too lazy to correlate all the references in this thread on a map.
US 119 in Kentucky. Besides its run from Pineville to South Williamson, there are those two brief instances where it is co-signed with US 52 and crosses into Kentucky.
Quote from: getemngo on December 05, 2013, 02:27:44 AM
421 in Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky, and Indiana
Nope, US 21's current northern terminus is Wytheville, Va.
Quote from: Charles2 on December 05, 2013, 12:25:34 AM
220 in North Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland
And West Virginia.
US 421 travels through Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee but US 21 does not enter any of those states.
Back before I-64 was completed, there was a US 460 in Indiana without US 60.
If you also want to consider interstates, I-275 travels through Indiana but I-75 does not.
US 123 in South Carolina
US 441 in North Carolina
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
340 in Virginia.
Twice!
Which then raises the question of whether that ever happens anywhere else (i.e., a 3-digit US route twice enters a state its "parent" route does not). I'm too lazy to correlate all the references in this thread on a map.
US 212 in Wyoming
US 119 in Kentucky
Mapmikey
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2013, 09:47:36 AM
340 in Virginia.
Twice!
Which then raises the question of whether that ever happens anywhere else (i.e., a 3-digit US route twice enters a state its "parent" route does not). I'm too lazy to correlate all the references in this thread on a map.
Would you also count a route that enters two non-contiguous states that its parent doesn't, with one or more states in between that its parent does enter?
For example, US 136 from east to west is in Indiana (36 yes), Illinois (36 yes), Iowa
(36 no), Missouri (36 yes), and Nebraska
(36 no). I'd consider this the same type of deal, because there are two distinct segments that fit the criteria... they just happen to be in different states.
I would wager that more 3dus routes enter states their parents don't than not. It's one of the reasons I'm not very fond of the US route system. If you're going to make the number essentially random, then don't try to claim there's a system. I wouldn't be suprised if there are 3dus routes that are longer than their parents.
Quote from: vdeane on December 05, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if there are 3dus routes that are longer than their parents.
US 191. But are there any that are not because of removal from Interstates? 395 may have qualified at one time.
Quote from: vdeane on December 05, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
I would wager that more 3dus routes enter states their parents don't than not. It's one of the reasons I'm not very fond of the US route system. If you're going to make the number essentially random, then don't try to claim there's a system.
I don't think more than half of all 3dus routes do, no. When making my list, I went through about half the states, and the number felt closer to 25%. For example, US 301 is the only instance out of the six x01 routes. There are no instances in states as big as California, Illinois, Wisconsin, or Ohio.
But I do agree that the US system is a mess. I wish every 3dus route was either a loop or spur of its parent, not a highway that happens to intersect its parent somewhere, or one that no longer connects to its parent at all. (Does this mean its parent has disowned it? :biggrin:)
It'd be wonderful if 3dus were numbered in the same way as 3di's, or at minimum, all decommissionings or renumberings favored the 1- or 2-digit route. When I-94 came to Michigan, US 12 stayed and US 112 was decommissioned, even though the opposite would have been way less of a headache for AASHTO. I'd like to see more of that effort.
QuoteI wouldn't be suprised if there are 3dus routes that are longer than their parents.
Found a thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6376.0) on it.
US 202 is the king of this thread.
Quote from: getemngo on December 05, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
or one that no longer connects to its parent at all. (Does this mean its parent has disowned it? :biggrin:)
Or never did in the first place.
Quote from: getemngo on December 05, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
It'd be wonderful if 3dus were numbered in the same way as 3di's, or at minimum, all decommissionings or renumberings favored the 1- or 2-digit route. When I-94 came to Michigan, US 12 stayed and US 112 was decommissioned, even though the opposite would have been way less of a headache for AASHTO. I'd like to see more of that effort.
IIRC, the original 1925 and 1926 plans treated 3duses more like 3dis. 3duses were short, connecting routes off the main 2duses. It was only later, during the 1930s and 1940s that the system got to be fucked up. It should never have been allowed to get that way, IMHO.
Quote from: Brandon on December 05, 2013, 03:15:33 PM
IIRC, the original 1925 and 1926 plans treated 3duses more like 3dis. 3duses were short, connecting routes off the main 2duses. It was only later, during the 1930s and 1940s that the system got to be fucked up. It should never have been allowed to get that way, IMHO.
The problem is that the system was expanding too much for that to work. Most state highway systems had similar issues with early numbering schemes.
Pennsylvania was the first to blur the lines and twerk 3duses all over the place.
Former US-460 in Indiana. I almost said Illinois as well, but I remembered that 60 enters Illinois for about a mile in Cairo.
US 159 in Nebraska
Would US 166 MO/KS count since US 66 no longer exists? Also US 266 in OK.
US 221 in Georgia and Florida
Quote from: US71 on December 05, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
Would US 166 MO/KS count since US 66 no longer exists? Also US 266 in OK.
Also U.S. 199 in California and Oregon.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on December 05, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
Quote from: US71 on December 05, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
Would US 166 MO/KS count since US 66 no longer exists? Also US 266 in OK.
Also U.S. 199 in California and Oregon.
3-Digit US Routes That Meet Criteria That Would Be Impossible For Them Not To Meet
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
US 206 and 222 doesn't count, because 6 and 22 are both in PA. Also, US 19 does go into PA, so 219 and 119 don't count.
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 06, 2013, 07:21:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
US 206 and 222 doesn't count, because 6 and 22 are both in PA. Also, US 19 does go into PA, so 219 and 119 don't count.
However the 3Dus does not touch its parent within the state, which is a bit off topic of the thread but still an interesting point.
Quote from: Alex4897 on December 06, 2013, 07:52:29 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 06, 2013, 07:21:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
US 206 and 222 doesn't count, because 6 and 22 are both in PA. Also, US 19 does go into PA, so 219 and 119 don't count.
However the 3Dus does not touch its parent within the state, which is a bit off topic of the thread but still an interesting point.
I know its off topic which the first line suggests. I was merely suggesting that a new topic could be discussed. As far as deviation goes, I am not the first person to be one to do so, as many have done so and even gotten so far off topic it is unbelievable!
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 06, 2013, 07:21:27 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
US 206 and 222 doesn't count, because 6 and 22 are both in PA. Also, US 19 does go into PA, so 219 and 119 don't count.
Read the first line. I was merely suggesting that it would be interesting to start a new topic that is almost related. Of course I know all of those I mentioned are together in the same state which is my point of another topic that would also be interesting.
This is very much the case for US 202, US 206, and US 209, although someone mentioned all of them somewhere along the way. Also, US 301 in Delaware, which I don't think anyone mentioned.
I don't think US 301 DE falls under what roadman suggested, since US 1 never enters Delaware.
One that would qualify, though, is US 212 in MN, SD, and MT. 'Course it helps that US 212 NEVER touches its parent.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 08:50:35 AM
Read the first line. I was merely suggesting that it would be interesting to start a new topic that is almost related. Of course I know all of those I mentioned are together in the same state which is my point of another topic that would also be interesting.
I saw that, but I was skimming the thread and just thought you were talking to someone else who was doing that, and then you were starting to list examples for this thread. Next time I'll re-read the post. :P
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 06, 2013, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 08:50:35 AM
Read the first line. I was merely suggesting that it would be interesting to start a new topic that is almost related. Of course I know all of those I mentioned are together in the same state which is my point of another topic that would also be interesting.
I saw that, but I was skimming the thread and just thought you were talking to someone else who was doing that, and then you were starting to list examples for this thread. Next time I'll re-read the post. :P
That is okay. We all do not read many posts correctly, including myself. I cannot tell you how many times I got egg on my face for misreading.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
US 127 does not touch US 27 in Kentucky.
US 431 does not touch US 31 in Kentucky.
US 231 also does not touch US 31 in Kentucky, but it does touch US 31E and US 31W.
US 641 does not touch US 41 in Kentucky (or at all, for that matter).
Add MA to the US 202 list
US 222 in MD
US 101 in CA/OR/WA :sombrero:
What about US 310 in WY/MT?
This fits the original topic and the new spin-off topic.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
U.S. 422 :bigass:
US 195 and 395 in Washington. US 191 in Wyoming and Montana (though 91 used to go through MT). US 730 in Washington.
US 95 used to touch Washington.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 06, 2013, 12:53:08 AM
We should do another topic of 3 digit routes that enter a state that it does not at all touch its parent.
If so you would have US 319 in Florida.
US 222 in PA.
US 206 in PA (US 206 no longer meets its parent, although it does come within a mile)
US 220 in PA
US 219 in PA
US 119 in PA
It seems that PA leads em all if this was the case.
U.S. 411 never intersects U.S. 11. They come within about 5 miles of each other in Gadsden, AL.
For that matter, U.S. 311 never intersects U.S. 11, either.
Quote from: Charles2 on December 12, 2013, 12:04:17 AM
U.S. 411 never intersects U.S. 11. They come within about 5 miles of each other in Gadsden, AL.
For that matter, U.S. 311 never intersects U.S. 11, either.
Both of these did at one time, however.
US 411 was routed across what is now US 321, US 19E, US 19 and US 11E to Bristol. There was one map that, for years, had a typo and referred to the route as "US 441" along the US 11E/US 19 concurrency.
Quote from: yakra on January 02, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 07, 2013, 12:56:41 AM
Add MA to the US 202 list
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2013, 02:30:04 PM
US 202 is the king of this thread.
Quite. In MA, CT, NY, NJ, PA and DE.
6 states for US 202
5 states for US 220: NC, VA, WV, MD, PA - not a bad 2nd place.
Quote from: Steve on January 02, 2014, 11:31:40 PM
6 states for US 202
5 states for US 220: NC, VA, WV, MD, PA - not a bad 2nd place.
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Quote from: hbelkins on January 03, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
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Acorn? Really?
Quote from: 1 on January 03, 2014, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 03, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
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Acorn? Really?
What? Never seen that before...
Quote from: hbelkins on January 03, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 02, 2014, 11:31:40 PM
6 states for US 202
5 states for US 220: NC, VA, WV, MD, PA - not a bad 2nd place.
This is what happens when I post after bedtime.
Quote from: Steve on January 03, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 03, 2014, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 02, 2014, 11:31:40 PM
6 states for US 202
5 states for US 220: NC, VA, WV, MD, PA - not a bad 2nd place.
This is what happens when I post after bedtime.
It just gave me an excuse to post US 20 in the PennDOT font and that ghastly acorn shield.
Quote from: yakra on January 02, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 07, 2013, 12:56:41 AM
Add MA to the US 202 list
Quote from: 1 on December 05, 2013, 02:30:04 PM
US 202 is the king of this thread.
Quite. In MA, CT, NY, NJ, PA and DE.
Not NY (https://maps.google.es/maps?ll=44.999357,-73.366592&spn=0.009862,0.01929&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=44.999144,-73.366508&panoid=39AjYbumj5edtLzUdMo4DQ&cbp=12,29.76,,1,-3.95) :bigass:
Before being decommissioned, US 830 ran along the north bank of the Columbia River in Washington, whereas US 30 was in Oregon.
I could also joke about US 101 being in Washington, Oregon, and California, without US 1, but I won't.
:banghead: