It appears NJDOT is looking into rehabilitating the roads around the Camden Gateway area to encourage more development (roads are the least of that city's problems :banghead:)
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/ccgateway/improvements.shtm (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/ccgateway/improvements.shtm)
The intersection of NJ 70 and NJ 73 in Marlton will now be rid of its traffic circle (sad to see another one go :no:), with the project started in April. According to NJDOT, approx $31 mil is being used to eliminate the circle and create a partial cloverleaf interchange:
Before:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.state.nj.us%2Ftransportation%2Fcommuter%2Froads%2Fmarltoncircle%2Fimages%2Fexisting450.jpg&hash=2544b4a5b35b58e9182ec6f3b1bd5b8c0c77e3fe)
After:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.state.nj.us%2Ftransportation%2Fcommuter%2Froads%2Fmarltoncircle%2Fimages%2Fproposed450.jpg&hash=06e4498860290b7ac658938f0264014e70f26958)
Here's the link to the page:
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/marltoncircle/ (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/marltoncircle/)
Apparently, the US 1&9 Truck viaduct is being rehabilitated into a fairly practical bridge (thank god):
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/ (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/)
More to come when I find more project news...
Quote from: froggie on June 09, 2009, 08:55:38 PM
Quotesad to see another one go
I'm not...those things are a traffic operation nightmare...
and that one is a mutant circle anyway with one highway going through the middle! :banghead:
Quote from: mightyace on June 09, 2009, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: froggie on June 09, 2009, 08:55:38 PM
Quotesad to see another one go
I'm not...those things are a traffic operation nightmare...
and that one is a mutant circle anyway with one highway going through the middle! :banghead:
That's how many NJ traffic circles are. Seems to me that it defeats the purpose.
Apparently, the US 1&9 Truck viaduct is being rehabilitated into a fairly practical bridge (thank god):
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/ (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/)
More to come when I find more project news...
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I have intimate knowledge of this project, having worked on it for the last 12 years. . .
Unfortunately, that project will still leave a traffic circle (Tonnele Circle, but at least a lot of trucks will be bypassing it.
There is another circle elimination project, currently in final design, to get rid of the U.S. 46 circle in Little Ferry, creating a four-legged intersection. This was another one that has a main road going through it.
Good riddance to any and all circles in New Jersey! It was an old idea that worked at one time, but has been choked by years of growing traffic volumes. Cut-throughs and signals were stop-gap measures to improve flow, but they, too, are no longer effective. Okay . . . I'll get off of my soap box now . . .
Are they ever going to do that I-76/295 interchange redesign? Its been talked about for 10 plus years now and last I was through there, nothing had been started yet.
Quote from: AARoads on June 10, 2009, 03:12:01 PM
Are they ever going to do that I-76/295 interchange redesign? Its been talked about for 10 plus years now and last I was through there, nothing had been started yet.
Apparently it's close to being settled, and an estimated construction date is ~2012-2013 last I've heard.
Quote from: njroadhorse on June 10, 2009, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AARoads on June 10, 2009, 03:12:01 PM
Are they ever going to do that I-76/295 interchange redesign? Its been talked about for 10 plus years now and last I was through there, nothing had been started yet.
Apparently it's close to being settled, and an estimated construction date is ~2012-2013 last I've heard.
Perhaps they are using the playbook from PennDOT and its I-95/PA turnpike interchange project. Lets design it now and build it say 10, 15, 20 years from now?
Quote from: AARoads on June 10, 2009, 03:22:12 PM
Quote from: njroadhorse on June 10, 2009, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AARoads on June 10, 2009, 03:12:01 PM
Are they ever going to do that I-76/295 interchange redesign? Its been talked about for 10 plus years now and last I was through there, nothing had been started yet.
Apparently it's close to being settled, and an estimated construction date is ~2012-2013 last I've heard.
Perhaps they are using the playbook from PennDOT and its I-95/PA turnpike interchange project. Lets design it now and build it say 10, 15, 20 years from now?
The thing is that the interchange needs to be built bigger than what it is now, and securing the proper right of way for it is a total bitch with all the development surrounding it.
Quote from: njroadhorse on June 10, 2009, 03:29:29 PM
and securing the proper right of way for it is a total bitch with all the development surrounding it.
We can thank the lawyers and the NIMBYs for that! :evilgrin:
Quote from: akotchi on June 10, 2009, 12:18:01 PM
Good riddance to any and all circles in New Jersey! It was an old idea that worked at one time, but has been choked by years of growing traffic volumes. Cut-throughs and signals were stop-gap measures to improve flow, but they, too, are no longer effective.
Safety also is an issue sometimes. Some of those things were/are huge fenderbender zones.
Who designed that piece of crap intersection? :wow:
Speaking of bad stuff from new jersey...
http://www.hulu.com/embed/1r0AkZ98GIOtqWy1ZORqMw (http://www.hulu.com/embed/1r0AkZ98GIOtqWy1ZORqMw)
Quote from: Hellfighter06 on June 13, 2009, 07:20:18 PM
Who designed that piece of crap intersection? :wow:
Speaking of bad stuff from new jersey...
Which intersection?
Quote from: akotchi on June 13, 2009, 07:51:03 PM
Quote from: Hellfighter06 on June 13, 2009, 07:20:18 PM
Who designed that piece of crap intersection? :wow:
Speaking of bad stuff from new jersey...
Which intersection?
The Camden Gateway, and http://www.hulu.com/watch/72445/saturday-night-live-update-gov-paterson-and-spitzer#s-p1-st-i3 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/72445/saturday-night-live-update-gov-paterson-and-spitzer#s-p1-st-i3) (AlpsROADS - Fixed the original post to embed, but this direct link can work too.)
If it matters, the GSP/I-78 missing ramps project is moving along. It took 9 years to start construction after receiving TEA-21 funding, but the flyovers are going up pretty fast. The GSP north to I-78 flyover is mostly done (and pretty ugly looking). Pier work for the flyover to I-78 east is done in the median of I-78. They are working on widening the bridge that carries I-78 over the GSP and the ramp approaches.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on June 14, 2009, 11:07:23 PM
If it matters, the GSP/I-78 missing ramps project is moving along. It took 9 years to start construction after receiving TEA-21 funding, but the flyovers are going up pretty fast. The GSP north to I-78 flyover is mostly done (and pretty ugly looking). Pier work for the flyover to I-78 east is done in the median of I-78. They are working on widening the bridge that carries I-78 over the GSP and the ramp approaches. Any estimated completion date?
I saw that not too long ago and it looked like they were nearing done with this
This is a bit old, but I drove through it today and it jogged my memory:
The I-80/I-287 interchange is being reconstructed in certain sections to alleviate some congestion and make it easier for trucks
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2009/041709.shtm (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2009/041709.shtm)
Quote from: njroadhorse on June 18, 2009, 05:58:18 PM
This is a bit old, but I drove through it today and it jogged my memory:
The I-80/I-287 interchange is being reconstructed in certain sections to alleviate some congestion and make it easier for trucks
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2009/041709.shtm (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2009/041709.shtm)
I drive past there every day on my commute. I could walk there. I could throw rocks onto I-287 in the I-80 exit lanes. But I don't. In fact, there's a sign down right now (the trucks may overturn sign). It's tempting...
Quote from: AlpsROADS on June 18, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
Quote from: njroadhorse on June 18, 2009, 05:58:18 PM
This is a bit old, but I drove through it today and it jogged my memory:
The I-80/I-287 interchange is being reconstructed in certain sections to alleviate some congestion and make it easier for trucks
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2009/041709.shtm (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/about/press/2009/041709.shtm)
I drive past there every day on my commute. I could walk there. I could throw rocks onto I-287 in the I-80 exit lanes. But I don't. In fact, there's a sign down right now (the trucks may overturn sign). It's tempting...
As it is to throw rocks at the people who cut you off on 80 every morning. :poke: ;-)
Quote from: akotchi on June 10, 2009, 12:18:01 PM
Apparently, the US 1&9 Truck viaduct is being rehabilitated into a fairly practical bridge (thank god):
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/ (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/)
More to come when I find more project news...
I saw the map of the project http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/pdf/projectmap.pdf (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/pdf/projectmap.pdf) and I saw more long-range plans for the future Wittpenn bridge, I wonder where is the future western terminus of this bridge, since part of the future US-1-9 Truck route is part of the future eastern approach?
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Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2009, 08:09:25 AM
I saw the map of the project http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/pdf/projectmap.pdf (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/pdf/projectmap.pdf) and I saw more long-range plans for the future Wittpenn bridge, I wonder where is the future western terminus of this bridge, since part of the future US-1-9 Truck route is part of the future eastern approach?
Although it looks impressive with all those swirly loops I can't help think that this will be an isolated piece of grade separation which will dump traffic onto surface streets at each end or is there a long term plan to completely grade separate Tonnele Avenue?
Also when Wittpenn Bridge is built the bottom end of ramp A will need to be altered or have I missed something?
By the way, if this was planned over here it would almost certainly contain far less grade separation so I'm glad you guys are still building proper roads.
Be more careful with quoting, everyone - make sure you're replying at the VERY END of the post. - AlpsROADS
Quote from: Truvelo on June 21, 2009, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: Stephane Dumas on June 21, 2009, 08:09:25 AM
I saw the map of the project http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/pdf/projectmap.pdf (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/rt1_9t/pdf/projectmap.pdf) and I saw more long-range plans for the future Wittpenn bridge, I wonder where is the future western terminus of this bridge, since part of the future US-1-9 Truck route is part of the future eastern approach?
Although it looks impressive with all those swirly loops I can't help think that this will be an isolated piece of grade separation which will dump traffic onto surface streets at each end or is there a long term plan to completely grade separate Tonnele Avenue?
Also when Wittpenn Bridge is built the bottom end of ramp A will need to be altered or have I missed something?
By the way, if this was planned over here it would almost certainly contain far less grade separation so I'm glad you guys are still building proper roads.
I have knowledge of both projects, having overseen design of traffic elements of the 1&9T project and needing to coordinate with the Wittpenn project.
The west end of the new 1&9T viaduct, where Ramps A and G curve, is where the east end of the Wittpenn Bridge will tie in. Ramp A will be realigned under the bridge project. The current Route 7 bridge is on the alignment of an eastbound exit ramp from the new bridge that would serve Route 1&9T SB and Newark Ave. The western end of the bridge will touch down to the west of Fishhouse Road. The existing Fishhouse Road interchange is to be reconfigured as well.
The redundancy in the movements in the loop ramps actually serves a purpose during construction, as traffic patterns need to change during the complex construction sequence of this project.
I don't think we'll ever see grade-separation on the full length of Tonnele Ave. I do not know of any further projects on grade separation of existing intersections.
Just to clarify, the grade-separation is really intended for the NJ 7 corridor ultimately.
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I don't think we'll ever see grade-separation on the full length of Tonnele Ave. I do not know of any further projects on grade separation of existing intersections.
It would be nice to have for a couple reasons:
- A freeway tie-in to the Pulaski on the east end
- Nice alternative to the NJ Turnpike heading towards the Lincoln Tunnel and the GWB.
- Quicker way to get to places like Union City, parts of Jersey City, North Bergen, and the Ridgefields.
Quote from: njroadhorse on June 22, 2009, 09:03:45 AM
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I don't think we'll ever see grade-separation on the full length of Tonnele Ave. I do not know of any further projects on grade separation of existing intersections.
It would be nice to have for a couple reasons:
- A freeway tie-in to the Pulaski on the east end
- Nice alternative to the NJ Turnpike heading towards the Lincoln Tunnel and the GWB.
- Quicker way to get to places like Union City, parts of Jersey City, North Bergen, and the Ridgefields.
I don't disagree . . . I just don't see it happening. I would love to have seen direct ramp connections in both directions (north-north and south-south) between the Skyway and Tonnele Ave., taking the traffic out of the circle. It would clean up that circle even more.
By the way, there is a modification underway to restore the link across the top of the Tonnele Circle to maintain direct access to the Skyway from JFK Blvd. The City did not like that this access was being taken away.
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By the way, there is a modification underway to restore the link across the top of the Tonnele Circle to maintain direct access to the Skyway from JFK Blvd. The City did not like that this access was being taken away.
That is an NJDOT win right there!
Atlantic City Expressway might eventually go electronic http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4246 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4246)
Already posted this in the NJTP widening thread but since it also includes Garden State Pkwy widening I decided to post it here too http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4252 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4252)
1: NJ 42 is not tolled. ACE is NJ 445 (secret).
2: Yep, Parkway widening from Ints 63-80 is starting up now. Ints 30-63 will be further down the line. Of course, 6-9 Widening (Tpk) is the big one so the Pkwy takes second fiddle while that goes on.
Elevated Rt. 55 Will Be Project For Authority (http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/53781-elevated+rt.+55+will+be+project+authority)
Elevated NJ-55? Talk about a pipe dream. Might as well build the Somerset Freeway while we are at it. Somehow I don't think the SJTA would build and run it, it would be logical for the NJTPA however since it would link to one of their toll facilities.
I believe NJ 55 needs to reach Cape May County. Perhaps not elevated, but either way, it needs to meet the Parkway.
Build Route 60 then :P
Route 55 has been a walking disaster. Remember, it was planned as an Atlantic City Expwy type road.
You know what we need in North Jersey is Route 20 to wrap around to reach into Downtown Paterson, it would be a great connection , were it currently ends is terrible , i think it was planned to reach into Downtown Paterson but ran out of money!
Not going to happen. 19 and 120 have done the job. Paterson doesn't wnat it
The extension of 19 has helped, but NJDOT is not going to destroy the Paterson riverfront or any other urban environment to build more highway. I have not seen Broadway at rush hour, but an improved 20/4 connection may help with downtown access. I'd want to see that get drawn up.
Traffic circle to be eliminated in N.J. (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091005/NEWS/91005046/-1/updates/Traffic-circle-to-be-eliminated-in-N.J.)
QuoteConstruction has begun on a project that ultimately will erase the Somers Point Circle used by thousands of shorebound motorists to enter Ocean City.
Officials broke ground here Friday on the $251 million second phase of the N.J. 52 causeway between Ocean City and Somers Point. Workers are to replace lift bridges at each end of the causeway, eliminate the traffic circle and upgrade MacArthur Boulevard in Somers Point.
Quote from: AARoads on October 05, 2009, 08:46:45 PM
Traffic circle to be eliminated in N.J. (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091005/NEWS/91005046/-1/updates/Traffic-circle-to-be-eliminated-in-N.J.)
One down, 9,999 to go! :pan:
Oh goodie! Another one eliminated! Now to get rid of the US 206/NJ 70 one... X-(
Here we go. :| The Somers Point. I wonder what's next? General Circle?
Quote from: Roadgeek_Adam on October 06, 2009, 05:04:32 PM
Here we go. :| The Somers Point. I wonder what's next? General Circle?
Nah, probably the Collingswood or Brunswick Circles.
Collingswood is correct. I'd be surprised if Brunswick is supposed to be replaced - it's not on a major artery anymore.
You're not talking US 30-130, are you? That one has already been fully converted to a modified jughandle.
SJTA looks at expressway spur to Atlantic City Airport (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4398)
Quote from: mightyace on October 22, 2009, 11:25:03 PM
SJTA looks at expressway spur to Atlantic City Airport (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4398)
Interesting, never sure why it didn't happen a while ago.
Quote from: njroadhorse on October 24, 2009, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: mightyace on October 22, 2009, 11:25:03 PM
SJTA looks at expressway spur to Atlantic City Airport (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4398)
Interesting, never sure why it didn't happen a while ago.
Only in recent years has the idea taken off (pun) of using alternative airports for lower fares. The Port Authority plans for quite a bit of growth at Stewart Airport, to hopefully become NYC's fourth airport. Providence has seen major growth at TF Green and is extending commuter rail there from Providence (and that's Boston's system). Several years ago, people flew into AC at Bader Field, and very few of those people were flying commercially. An expressway makes a lot more sense now than it did to planners before.
Just found this now, but the NJ 36 bridge to Sandy Hook is in the midst of a replacement, hopefully done by 2011
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/route36highlands/ (http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/route36highlands/)
Quote from: AlpsROADS on July 16, 2009, 10:30:20 PM
1: NJ 42 is not tolled. ACE is NJ 445 (secret).
2: Yep, Parkway widening from Ints 63-80 is starting up now. Ints 30-63 will be further down the line. Of course, 6-9 Widening (Tpk) is the big one so the Pkwy takes second fiddle while that goes on.
445 is the Palisades. Check your designations. 446 is the ACE
Quote from: AlpsROADS on October 25, 2009, 01:00:29 AM
Only in recent years has the idea taken off (pun) of using alternative airports for lower fares.
Southwest Airlines is one of the key drivers of this trend, being as they started out of Love Field in Dallas and bases their fare structure around always flying into the smaller airport. If you're flying into Chicago, you're going to Midway.