I saw these articles at
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/nyregion/new-york-soon-to-trail-florida-in-population.html?_r=0
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/us/new-york-florida-population/
For a while California was losing population and I was thinking Texas would catch it in 25-30 years, but it looks like the exodus has stopped for now.
The problem is that Florida is gaining population at New York's expense. You've sent us enough of your old folks. Please unsubscribe us from your mailing list.
Flahrida.
Quote from: realjd on January 03, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
The problem is that Florida is gaining population at New York's expense. You've sent us enough of your old folks. Please unsubscribe us from your mailing list.
It's starting to get the young people now, actually. NC and Atlanta were filling up, SC is starting to, and now parts of Florida.
Quote from: Road Hog on January 03, 2014, 01:27:55 AM
For a while California was losing population and I was thinking Texas would catch it in 25-30 years, but it looks like the exodus has stopped for now.
Just to be clear, California's growth slowed dramatically during the recession, but it never lost population.
http://www.census.gov/popest/data/state/totals/2009/tables/NST-EST2009-01.csv
That said, I do think Texas will overtake California in the very distant future, simply because they have more open land to develop.
Upstate NY struggles as more leave than move in (http://markholtz.info/j0)
Personally, my family moved from upstate New York (Rose, NY, 10 miles away from Lake Ontario) to California over 36 years ago, and I still remember the bitterly cold winters. Now, I want to bolt from California because of the high cost of living combined with a screwed up government and a screwed up economy.
Quote from: Road Hog on January 03, 2014, 01:27:55 AM
For a while California was losing population and I was thinking Texas would catch it in 25-30 years, but it looks like the exodus has stopped for now.
In the early days, though, Texas was bigger. A favorite trivia question of mine is "in what presidential election did California first have more electoral votes than Texas?"
It's somewhat of a trick question, the answer is "1864", for obvious reasons unrelated to the population of either state. :P
Notwithstanding that, California first surpassed Texas in population in the 1940 census, and had 25 electoral votes to Texas' 23 in 1944 (compared to 22 versus 23 in 1940).
Quote from: realjd on January 03, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
The problem is that Florida is gaining population at New York's expense. You've sent us enough of your old folks. Please unsubscribe us from your mailing list.
And yet they'll still gripe about how much better it is in New York eleven months a year.
Quote from: formulanone on January 03, 2014, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 03, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
The problem is that Florida is gaining population at New York's expense. You've sent us enough of your old folks. Please unsubscribe us from your mailing list.
And yet they'll still gripe about how much better it is in New York eleven months a year.
Or about how local TV doesn't show every single Giants or Yankees game. Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
QuoteOr about how local TV doesn't show every single Giants or Yankees game. Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
LOL.
Quote from: realjd on January 04, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Or about how local TV doesn't show every single Giants or Yankees game. Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
I have spotted Taylor Ham at the deli counter in Tampa Bay area Publix. I've also seen it in North Carolina grocery stores too. The biggest problem with the south is the lack of a good bakery. You can't find a decent loaf of rye bread anywhere!
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 05, 2014, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: realjd on January 04, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Or about how local TV doesn't show every single Giants or Yankees game. Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
Quote from: NJRoadfan on January 05, 2014, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: realjd on January 04, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Or about how local TV doesn't show every single Giants or Yankees game. Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
I have spotted Taylor Ham at the deli counter in Tampa Bay area Publix. I've also seen it in North Carolina grocery stores too. The biggest problem with the south is the lack of a good bakery. You can't find a decent loaf of rye bread anywhere!
It's all about the water. I have a friend who moved to Tampa from NJ after college. He found an Italian bakery that made bread and Italian pasteries that closely resembled what you'd find in NY-North Jersey. His special ingredient was NJ water that he'd have sent down from northern NJ to make his doughs with.
Quote from: realjd on January 04, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 03, 2014, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 03, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
The problem is that Florida is gaining population at New York's expense. You've sent us enough of your old folks. Please unsubscribe us from your mailing list.
And yet they'll still gripe about how much better it is in New York eleven months a year.
Or about how local TV doesn't show every single Giants or Yankees game. Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
I live in a metropolitan area that attracts many transplants from New York, and I hear a lot of that.
Quote from: realjd on January 04, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Or about how Publix doesn't carry an obscure hyperlocal specialty product that's only available at one specific grocery up on Long Island.
When I worked there 25 years ago, this was a common question. The unofficial store policy was that if you had enough information about the product, they'd make a good faith effort to order it, if you were willing to buy an entire box/case (usually 6-12 pieces). Nowadays, you could probably order it via internet and ship it home.
That's because NY is moving down here!
REmoved
Quote from: bing101 on February 01, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
Well I know some people from California who moved to Texas. The people that i knew who moved to Texas tended to have a gripe against both Jerry Brown and Arnold Schwarzeneggar. They tend to say both governors are not tea party like people and in the process say the entire state is left wing for not meeting their values. Sure we had drought issues and cities going bankrupt for budget mismanagement. But the only thing some of these people miss about California is fog in Daly city and San Francisco also surf in San Diego and LA. But they sure don't miss Sacramento and Solano counties (my backyard) this area is scapegoated for water rationing from the delta. Well give credit to governor Perry and senator Ted Cruz for attracting Tea Party Californians to Texas.
what
Quote from: corco on February 01, 2014, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: bing101 on February 01, 2014, 01:30:30 PM
Well I know some people from California who moved to Texas. The people that i knew who moved to Texas tended to have a gripe against both Jerry Brown and Arnold Schwarzeneggar. They tend to say both governors are not tea party like people and in the process say the entire state is left wing for not meeting their values. Sure we had drought issues and cities going bankrupt for budget mismanagement. But the only thing some of these people miss about California is fog in Daly city and San Francisco also surf in San Diego and LA. But they sure don't miss Sacramento and Solano counties (my backyard) this area is scapegoated for water rationing from the delta. Well give credit to governor Perry and senator Ted Cruz for attracting Tea Party Californians to Texas.
what
florida = california = texas
Thanks, Obama!
Warm weather, immigration, and propaganda all are factors.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2014, 05:04:59 PM
Warm weather, immigration, and propaganda all are factors.
Don't forget the biggest one: JOBS.
Quote from: Road Hog on February 02, 2014, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2014, 05:04:59 PM
Warm weather, immigration, and propaganda all are factors.
Don't forget the biggest one: JOBS.
...and the close second, TAXES. I fled to Florida 16 years ago for a far better job.
California - CA is not losing gross population (no state is, save only Michigan) bu it is experiencing a deep and long running brain drain. California is no longer a place for ordinary working people.
Florida - Florida is a complex and diverse state. Broad generalizations do apply, including the old "as you go north, you go south and v-v" and "the land of the nearly dead and the newly wed", and there is nothing wrong with an economy base on retirees (although retirement will be rare in coming generations, as the basic wealth of oridinary people is in decline) but FL is adding productive people and jobs with a business friendly climate too.
Texas - Texas has plenty more growth to come. It is the next generation's California, a place where an ordinary person can move early in adulthood and do better than "back home" due to better government.
New York - As technology makes jobs even more portable, what does NYC have left. You can break stocks and account and other such from the internet anywhere.
NY was the most populous state 50 years ago until CA surpassed it. While we're not trying to get political on this forum, the reasons for the rapid population growth in TX and the appeal FL has is for lower business regulations and taxes. CA became a troubled state no longer has the reputation it once had: quality of life is a big issue for living in a certain place: the cost of living and climate are other huge causes of population shifts and migrations from one state to another. Michigan shrank abit because of Detroit continues to witness a major depopulation unlike any major city in the US has experienced before. And CA now has more Latinos than Anglos (the news media seems to avoid this topic), but this is historic considering CA at statehood (1850) was when the last time Spanish-speaking inhabitants were the majority until the peak of its Gold Rush immigration.
NYC is perhaps the last place in NY to have a robust job market. Too bad the cost of living is so high there.
Quote from: vdeane on February 02, 2014, 05:08:20 PM
Too bad the cost of living is so high there.
In my opinion, you pay for the privilege of being inconvenienced the closer you live to The City.
I'm surprised Florida hasn't already jumped New York. It'll be a while before any other state jumps New York, but I look for Georgia and North Carolina to overtake Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Michigan goes without saying.