I believe this has been answered before, but even if it's not, here's the question:
What is the smallest control city to appear on a BGS?
I think we found one smaller than Delaware Water Gap, but I forget what it is offhand.
Breezewood doesn't count anymore right? MTR FAQ (http://www.roadfan.com/mtrfaq.html#a342) gives Breezewood, but I would think the population has then increased.
If it counts as a control city (MUTCD says "Control city legends should be used...along a freeway...on the bottom line of post-interchange distance signs" and "The third, or bottom line, shall contain the name and distance to a control city (if any) that has national significance for travelers using the route."), Magic Kingdom, population 0.
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By smallest, are we talking in terms of land area, population or name?
If it's by name; Bow, NH could be a contender:
Bow exit off I-89 (http://goo.gl/maps/Oo0C9)
Note: the previous BGS for this exit simply listed BOW on the exit legend.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 15, 2014, 02:56:45 PM
By smallest, are we talking in terms of land area, population or name?
If it's by name; Bow, NH could be a contender:
Bow exit off I-89 (http://goo.gl/maps/Oo0C9)
Note: the previous BGS for this exit simply listed BOW on the exit legend.
Of course we're not talking about name length; that would be silly. And that's not a control city, but a destination name.
Control cities defined: http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2e.htm#section2E13
Surely we are talking "control city" in the sense of the 1 or 2 main cities listed on an Interstate pull-through sign? Because otherwise it would be impossible to find the smallest. Half of place names listed on exits are for places no longer there and with no reference to them off the highway...
Kentucky's parkways have some smaller towns listed as their control cities.
Salyersville (or Prestonsburg) for the Mountain Parkway and Fulton for the Purchase Parkway are the two that come most readily to mind. All the other cities and towns used on the parkways are reasonably-sized burgs for their areas. (Hazard, London, Somerset, Henderson, Owensboro, E-town, Hopkinsville, Bowling Green, Paducah, etc.).
The interstates all use decent-sized cities as their control cities.
West Virginia uses Lewisburg for I-64 east of Beckley, which has always puzzled me. It's not a big town by any means. The other cities/towns used in WV (Parkersburg, Clarksburg, Beckley, etc.) make more sense than does Lewisburg.
I-68 east of Cumberland uses Hancock, which is pretty small.
The smallest in population in Illinois would be Hennepin (pop. 707) as a primary control city for I-180.
Plymouth Meeting, PA (pop. 6,177) along I-476 (http://goo.gl/maps/TKnWx)
Assuming that we're not restricted to only listing those on pull-through BGS' (since many states have reduced the use of such over the last 2 decades) but including interchange ramps onto a highway.
Lima, PA (pop. 3,225) for US 1 at I-476 interchange (http://goo.gl/maps/vCn72)
Salisbury, MA (pop. 8,283) for I-95 (http://goo.gl/maps/QnFra)
Salisbury, MA again for I-495 (http://goo.gl/maps/yihyr)
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 02:55:48 PM
If it counts as a control city (MUTCD says "Control city legends should be used...along a freeway...on the bottom line of post-interchange distance signs" and "The third, or bottom line, shall contain the name and distance to a control city (if any) that has national significance for travelers using the route."), Magic Kingdom, population 0.
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is that a mileage sign in the post-interchange sense, or an upcoming exits sign? plenty of upcoming exits signs in CA, some on the right shoulder, and none have the bottom as a distant destination. (only example I can think of is the one in Albuquerque which wedges the distance to Denver - 454 miles IIRC - between two local exits! but that's because New Mexico.)
This is a difficult question to answer because of the differing definitions of city.
Breezewood, for example, isn't a city, town, borough, or municipality of any kind. There is no Breezewood town council or mayor. It has no definite borders, and therefore, has no definite population. "Breezewood" started as an informal name for small valley along the Lincoln Highway, and the name gradually became more established by appearing on PA Turnpike exit lists, hotel brochures, and eventually a US post office.
It appears that when people give a population figure for Breezewood, they're actually listing the census count for East Providence Township–which is the real municipality containing Breezewood–but the township extends miles beyond what anyone would consider to be the "town". The population of the "town" is probably a couple hundred at most.
Quote from: briantroutman on January 15, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
This is a difficult question to answer because of the differing definitions of city.
PA is a primary offender in that regard. The fore-mentioned Lima & Plymouth Meeting have zip codes but they're not actual towns, cities, townships nor boroughs per say. Similar could be said regarding Paoli (US 202), King of Prussia (US 202), Valley Forge (I-76) & Exton (PA 100).
Delaware Water Gap is formally a borough, according to Wikipedia anyway.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 04:10:13 PM
Delaware Water Gap is formally a borough, according to Wikipedia anyway.
With a listed population of 746 acording to the 2010 census.
At present, unless someone else knows otherwise, Hennepin, IL (pop. 707 from the 2000 census) is still the smallest listed control city by population.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 03:51:16 PM
is that a mileage sign in the post-interchange sense, or an upcoming exits sign?
Definitely the former, since there are two exits between Downtown Disney and Epcot, and the Magic Kingdom exit (which merges into World Drive, another freeway) is only 1/2 mile after the Epcot exit. Though 3/4 miles is for the Downtown Disney exit (it's 1.5 to the first parking lot entrance).
Quote from: briantroutman on January 15, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
This is a difficult question to answer because of the differing definitions of city.
"Control city" is a term of art that doesn't always refer to a city.
Obviously not USA, but Scotch Corner is a primary destination (http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Primary_Destinations#English_Destinations), and has a population of zero, being a road junction (the small nearby settlement is Middleton Tyas). It's signed from nearly 50 miles away when approaching from the west, and nearly 40 when approaching from the south - many 100k towns aren't as prominently signed.
The bridges and tunnels (Dartford Crossing, Humber Bridge, Tyne Tunnel, Forth Road Bridge, Kincardine Bridge, Tay Road Bridge) are similar no population nodes where you wouldn't want to end your journey. As are the various airports (Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Luton, Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow, Prestwick, Belfast City, Belfast International), but you would want to continue your journey at those places.
The most-epically signed zero-population (though you would continue your journey) primary destination is the Channel Tunnel (signed onward from the M23 and M11, though doesn't appear on the copies-of-old mileage signs until off the M25 - though still 50 miles away).
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on January 15, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
This is a difficult question to answer because of the differing definitions of city.
"Control city" is a term of art that doesn't always refer to a city.
Right, but if you're trying to say which is the smallest, you need some kind of boundaries to determine the population.
Lee, MA (pop 5,985) on I-90
Limon, CO. Population 1880. Control city for I-70 eastbound from Denver, as well as other routes that feed to I-70. It also has showed up in Kansas, but seems to be yielding to Denver.
The smallest size place as a control point I can think of on an interstate in Virginia used to be Bowers Hill but I don't think any signs are left on I-64 that have it anymore.
Mapmikey
I'll throw a wrinkle into this mess: What is the smallest control city BY AREA to appear on a BGS?
Quote from: Steve on January 15, 2014, 10:56:57 PM
I'll throw a wrinkle into this mess: What is the smallest control city BY AREA to appear on a BGS?
Magic Kingdom? :bigass:
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 04:10:13 PM
Delaware Water Gap is formally a borough, according to Wikipedia anyway.
It is, of course, also a gap, which tends to muddy the question a bit. The vast majority of travelers along I-80 who reckon their travels according to "Delaware Water Gap" are doing so with respect to the gap itself–i.e., the geographic formation where I-80 crosses the Delaware (on a bridge [with a {rather obvious} tollbooth])–and not the borough.
So if we determine that this instance indeed refers to the gap and not the borough–and since we've also remembered that
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 04:32:32 PM"Control city" is a term of art that doesn't always refer to a city
, then how shall we determine the smallness of Delaware Water Gap? Or should we consider amending the topic heading to "Smallest City that is a Control City"?
If you follow signs for Delaware Water Gap you end up in the borough (it's on the signs for exit 310). Thus the control city is referring to the borough.
Belvidere, SD; pop. 49. SD always has the next junction as a control "city".
Quote from: SD Mapman on January 16, 2014, 12:08:24 AM
Belvidere, SD; pop. 49. SD always has the next junction as a control "city".
On this sign:
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only Rapid City is a control city.
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 11:48:23 PM
If you follow signs for Delaware Water Gap you end up in the borough (it's on the signs for exit 310). Thus the control city is referring to the borough.
I always got the feeling NJ was "pulling a PA" and listing the last possible destination in NJ because PA rarely recognizes other states' control cities. That would make Del Water Gap a reference to the forest/park and not to the PA town.
Quote from: Steve on January 16, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
I always got the feeling NJ was "pulling a PA" and listing the last possible destination in NJ because PA rarely recognizes other states' control cities. That would make Del Water Gap a reference to the forest/park and not to the PA town.
The distance sign at mile 11.3 says Columbia 7 Delaware Water Gap 11. Obviously that's the distance to the bridge, but the actual gap is about mile 1.5 and the NRA begins at about 2.7. I'm going to guess that NJDOT had no idea what the entry in the AASHTO list was supposed to refer to, so they fudged it and used the state line.
Quote from: Steve on January 16, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
I always got the feeling NJ was "pulling a PA" and listing the last possible destination in NJ because PA rarely recognizes other states' control cities. That would make Del Water Gap a reference to the forest/park and not to the PA town.
NJ does this all the time too. 287 North is signed Mahwah, not recognizing anything in NYS. Sometimes they use bridges as control "cities". It's only recently that I started seeing "Wilmington" mentioned on I-295 and the NJ Turnpike. NYC is teh exception, but it would be criminal not to sign that (though it seems that every other exit from I-287 is signed NYC). "Easton, PA" is another counterexample on I-78, but that's all I can think of. And no, "Penna" doesn't count. NY reciprocates too. "New Jersey" for Palisades Parkway, "New Jersey" for GSP, "New Jersey" for 287 South. Never mind that you'd take those different exits to go to different places in NJ
Quote from: briantroutman on January 15, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
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Breezewood, for example, isn't a city, town, borough, or municipality of any kind. There is no Breezewood town council or mayor. ....
Sure there's a mayor in Breezewood. He lives up on top of that hill you see to your left as you arrive from the south on I-70. His name is "McCheese." :bigass:
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 16, 2014, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on January 15, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
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Breezewood, for example, isn't a city, town, borough, or municipality of any kind. There is no Breezewood town council or mayor. ....
Sure there's a mayor in Breezewood. He lives up on top of that hill you see to your left as you arrive from the south on I-70. His name is "McCheese." :bigass:
Good one! :rofl:
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 15, 2014, 10:56:57 PM
I'll throw a wrinkle into this mess: What is the smallest control city BY AREA to appear on a BGS?
Magic Kingdom? :bigass:
Which includes Bay Lake, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bay_Lake.gif).
All 47 folks, yes; but it encompasses 22 square miles.
Quote from: formulanone on January 16, 2014, 03:06:18 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: Steve on January 15, 2014, 10:56:57 PM
I'll throw a wrinkle into this mess: What is the smallest control city BY AREA to appear on a BGS?
Magic Kingdom? :bigass:
Which includes Bay Lake, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bay_Lake.gif).
All 47 folks, yes; but it encompasses 22 square miles.
Er, no. The Magic Kingdom is this (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1105452) (boundaries are a bit iffy but this is about as big as it can be). Disney World, also used as a control city, includes Bay Lake (and Lake Buena Vista).
Quote from: roadman on January 15, 2014, 06:11:46 PM
Lee, MA (pop 5,985) on I-90
Does Lee fit the definition? I think Albany is the WB control city west of Springfield, and New York uses Boston EB east of Albany. There is a mileage sign WB just beyond Exit 3, but it has Lee on top (standard "next exit" distance used on the Mass Pike) and Albany on the bottom.
I think if we count Lee, we can also count West Stockbridge (pop 1416), which is on a mileage sign WB west of Exit 2.
I realize it's not a town, so you can't really determine a population figure, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned Cove Fort. It makes Breezewood, Hennepin, and Delaware Water Gap look like bustling metropolises by comparison.
But anyway, unless someone can come up with something that tops Hennepin, IL at 707, that would appear to be the winner. In fact with the ArcelorMittal steel plant in Hennepin having closed in 2009 (the census data is from 2000), I wouldn't be surprised if the population dropped by a couple hundred since then.
is Cove Fort an actual control city? I believe Utah just uses "Junction I-15", or occasionally "Las Vegas", on I-70 - and the only sign which mentions Cove Fort (except for at the exit itself) is in Maryland, mentioning IIRC Columbus, St. Louis, Denver, and Cove Fort.
I consider that a bit of a gimmicky sign (not that I don't like it, except for the Clearview), and unless actual navigationally useful signs mention Cove Fort, I don't think it counts as a control city.
Quote from: Steve on January 15, 2014, 10:56:57 PM
I'll throw a wrinkle into this mess: What is the smallest control city BY AREA to appear on a BGS?
I'll go with the aforementioned "Junction I-15".
Quote from: Jim on January 16, 2014, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 15, 2014, 06:11:46 PM
Lee, MA (pop 5,985) on I-90
Does Lee fit the definition? I think Albany is the WB control city west of Springfield, and New York uses Boston EB east of Albany. There is a mileage sign WB just beyond Exit 3, but it has Lee on top (standard "next exit" distance used on the Mass Pike) and Albany on the bottom.
I think if we count Lee, we can also count West Stockbridge (pop 1416), which is on a mileage sign WB west of Exit 2.
I-90 being the Mass Pike in this area; the
Lee &
W. Stockbridge listings (and mileage) are more likely referencing the next interchange (Exits 1 & 2 - the toll tickets refers to it as the Lee & W. Stockbridge interchanges) rather than the towns itself.
You are right though, neither town is shown on any I-90 through nor directional BGS'.
Teterboro, NJ? Just 67 residents, up from 18 in 2000.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=teterboro+nj&ll=40.869651,-74.057143&spn=0.010174,0.01929&hnear=Teterboro,+Bergen,+New+Jersey&gl=us&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.869491,-74.056906&panoid=srY5dyM4BykLFIVuEcTxXg&cbp=12,132.95,,0,3.5
I never knew it was that small. the only time I'd ever heard of it was when that Airbus A320 landed in the Hudson River. one of the landing sites considered was Teterboro, so I figured if the place was big enough to have an airport that could (kinda, sorta, maybe) land an A320, it was at least a medium-sized place.
I was mistaken.
Boutte - 3,000 people, see I-10 at I-310.
On an advance mileage sign - Parish Rd. We sign what you actually intersect, not the town itself.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 16, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
is Cove Fort an actual control city?
I thought I had seen it somewhere, but maybe I was mistaken.
At Grand Junction, CDOT uses "Green River" (http://bit.ly/1j9AuDD), which UDOT also uses at least at a few locations in eastern Utah (http://bit.ly/1fCN2mj)
UDOT then uses Salina (http://bit.ly/1j3MBPV) at the trumpet with US 6 West. In Salina, they use Ritchfield (http://bit.ly/Km0Enf) and in Ritchfield, some of the signs appear to read Las Vegas. At the trumpet with US 89, they appear not to use any control city westbound at all (http://bit.ly/1j3V71n).
None of these Utah towns show up on the control cities list, which has Grand Junction as the last city before "JCT I-15" But looking around Street View (which is really quite awful in that part of Utah), I haven't been able to find one guide sign that lists "JCT I-15" as its control city.
Quote from: formulanone on January 16, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
Teterboro, NJ? Just 67 residents, up from 18 in 2000.
As someone else pointed out to me earlier in this thread; the OP's looking for control destinations for or along a highway... not just listed destinations on exit BGS'.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 16, 2014, 04:39:05 PM
I never knew it was that small. the only time I'd ever heard of it was when that Airbus A320 landed in the Hudson River. one of the landing sites considered was Teterboro, so I figured if the place was big enough to have an airport that could (kinda, sorta, maybe) land an A320, it was at least a medium-sized place.
The reference to Teterboro was in reference to Teterboro Airport (TEB), a general aviation airport which straddles into Moonachie Twp. (pop. 2,708 per 2010 census).
Quote from: briantroutman on January 16, 2014, 05:07:25 PMI haven't been able to find one guide sign that lists "JCT I-15" as its control city.
I bet in several years, Google Street View will come with a "simulated velocity" slider, so you can plow through I-70 in the state at 600mph and find such a sign in just a couple of minutes. I think right now their speed is approximately 5mph. anyone that takes a "virtual road trip" using Google Street View has the patience of a saint.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 16, 2014, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on January 16, 2014, 05:07:25 PMI haven't been able to find one guide sign that lists "JCT I-15" as its control city.
I bet in several years, Google Street View will come with a "simulated velocity" slider, so you can plow through I-70 in the state at 600mph and find such a sign in just a couple of minutes. I think right now their speed is approximately 5mph. anyone that takes a "virtual road trip" using Google Street View has the patience of a saint.
I have been able to use Google Street View at 45 MPH. You have to click in exactly the right places (click far away, don't click the arrows!). However, be careful of clicking on roads that are on overpasses/underpasses.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 16, 2014, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: Steve on January 16, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
I always got the feeling NJ was "pulling a PA" and listing the last possible destination in NJ because PA rarely recognizes other states' control cities. That would make Del Water Gap a reference to the forest/park and not to the PA town.
NJ does this all the time too. 287 North is signed Mahwah, not recognizing anything in NYS.
Eventually, "NY Thruway" does show up as a control "city" for 287 north. NJ is enigmatic with control cities.
How about Mackinac Bridge as a control "city" on I-75? I'm pretty sure the population of that is zero.
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8
San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles
But those are districts.
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8
San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles
But those are districts.
The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.
As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.
Quote from: briantroutman on January 16, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 16, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
is Cove Fort an actual control city?
At Grand Junction, CDOT uses "Green River" (http://bit.ly/1j9AuDD), which UDOT also uses at least at a few locations in eastern Utah (http://bit.ly/1fCN2mj)
I think this onramp is now labeled "Utah". In any event, with construction of the new DDI here, the signage will change.
Glennallen, AK (pop. 483) is used as a control city for AK-1(I-A1): http://goo.gl/maps/3yRqI
Quote from: Thing 342 on January 17, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
Glennallen, AK (pop. 483) is used as a control city for AK-1(I-A1): http://goo.gl/maps/3yRqI
Not necessarily a control city (I don't think it's possible to determine if something is definitely one from only a guide sign on an intersecting route/split). The mileage sign up the road (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=61.551084,-149.226351&spn=0.016662,0.056691&layer=c&panoid=64bCzD-00nHWDmuOvsXWdQ&cbp=12,94.96,,0,10.45&cbll=61.551082,-149.226655&t=m&z=15) shows Tok (population
420 1258) to be the actual control city there.
While Breezewood is an unincorporated "place", at the other end of the I-76/70 duplex, New Stanton is a borough, with the 2000 census listing the population 1,906 (according to Wikipedia). Not gonna win the smallest award, and it's more people than I would've thought resided there.
How about longest control "city"? "Lake Shore Drive" for I-55 north (east) of the Ryan might qualify.
Quote from: DTComposer on January 17, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8
San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles
But those are districts.
The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.
As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.
San Pedro is where the Port of Los Angeles is at. How about Winters on I-505 Northbound, CA-12 Rio Vista, thats the smallest Control City in Northern California but more so in Solano, Yolo and Sacramento Counties
Quote from: Brandon on January 17, 2014, 07:22:07 PM
How about longest control "city"? "Lake Shore Drive" for I-55 north (east) of the Ryan might qualify.
Nope. Well, maybe. The control "city" for I-65 North from I-80/94 is "TO Toll Road", which is about 150 miles long, but LSD doesn't have the "TO" banner, IIRC.
http://goo.gl/maps/PfB4g
It's not the smallest, but pull through signs for US 165 southbound at I-20 have Columbia. Population - 500.
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on January 17, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8
San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles
But those are districts.
The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.
As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.
San Pedro is where the Port of Los Angeles is at. How about Winters on I-505 Northbound, CA-12 Rio Vista, thats the smallest Control City in Northern California but more so in Solano, Yolo and Sacramento Counties
Middletown, population 1323, is a NorCal control city (for Route 175) that is noticeably smaller than Rio Vista (population 7360).
Quote from: DTComposer on January 17, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: bing101 on January 17, 2014, 09:29:31 AM
How about Beaches on the West end of I-8
San Pedro on south I-110 in Los Angeles
But those are districts.
The two zip codes that use San Pedro as their "city" total over 80,000 people.
As far as Southern California goes, I'm guessing Artesia on CA-91. Around 16,000, so not that small in the grand scheme of things, but certainly small compared to all the other cities that could have been used.
I forgot I-210 in LA has the control city of San Fernando its small control city for LA county.
Older signage on I-15 north of Barstow uses Yermo and Baker as control points. Neither are very big.
FDOT has a pretty informative presentation on what control cities are (though page 5 is not quite correct): http://www.dot.state.fl.us/trafficoperations/pdf/control_city_pres_web.pdf
Palmdale, FL is used NB on US 27 from Moore Haven northward on mileage signs. I believe it has a two digit population only.
The odd thing is SB it is not used coming from the north.
Take a look at the whole community on GSV.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Palmdale,+FL+33944/@26.944475,-81.31643,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDnzXrMnEmASU9KR_oZRz3g!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x88dc77a2472fd471:0xf6acf25aff11852f
Quote from: roadman65 on March 01, 2014, 06:25:17 PM
Palmdale, FL is used NB on US 27 from Moore Haven northward on mileage signs. I believe it has a two digit population only.
It's never on the bottom line of distance signs on US 27, so it's not a control city. But it is at the bottom of at least one sign on SR 29.
Marineland (population 16) is used on SR 206 eastbound.
Quote from: NE2 on February 24, 2014, 08:36:19 PM
FDOT has a pretty informative presentation on what control cities are (though page 5 is not quite correct): http://www.dot.state.fl.us/trafficoperations/pdf/control_city_pres_web.pdf
I've seen Ft. Lauderdale used for points north of Miami on I-95 such as FL 860 and I-395, and it's on a pull-though sign on I-95 northbound (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=25.92639,-80.207748&spn=0.00605,0.009645&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=25.926339,-80.20781&panoid=2HjAkpyXXZJ_LYmtbsXAaQ&cbp=12,33.04,,0,8.91) inside the Golden Glades Interchange. It's not a terribly common one, though. So those slides aren't quite right, although personally, it makes sense (and I can't find out much more about that specific FDOT Executive Committee describing which ones they've also selected).
Then again, if it's on a pull-though sign...is it technically a control city? After all, things like "Beaches" or "Downtown" are used.
In Connecticut, the smallest control city I can think of is New London which has around 27K people. It's signed on I-95 east of New Haven, with Providence replacing in certain areas. Also along the Merritt Parkway, the Milford Connecter exit signs I-95's control city as New London instead of New Haven. I find this odd since New Haven would seem like a WAY better choice then a small city about 70 miles east of Milford.
TCH 1 west is notorious for poor control cities in Banff & Yoho National Parks on the BC/Alberta border, with Parks Canada (the national parks governing body) signing the only the next population center as the control city. West of Banff, the control cities are:
- Lake Louise (pop. 700) - somewhat justifiable due to it being a significant tourist destination
- Field (pop. 170), https://goo.gl/maps/DiDfWtPcTCpgiPVPA - why?? Ironically BC doesn't sign it at all east of Golden.
- Golden (pop. 4000)
Past Golden, TCH 1 west uses Kamloops.
Even using Banff (pop 8,300) for eastbound TCH 1 is a bit of a stretch when Calgary is only 80 mi further east. Banff is a major tourist destination, but Calgary is over 1 million. Banff is signed east of Revelstoke, BC, but one could easily add Calgary.
Quote from: JakeFromNewEngland on March 07, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
In Connecticut, the smallest control city I can think of is New London which has around 27K people. It's signed on I-95 east of New Haven, with Providence replacing in certain areas. Also along the Merritt Parkway, the Milford Connecter exit signs I-95's control city as New London instead of New Haven. I find this odd since New Haven would seem like a WAY better choice then a small city about 70 miles east of Milford.
IIRC, Providence used to be a control city in the Merritt/Milford/Wilbur Cross until relatively recently. I think New London and/or Providence were used as control cities for the interstate travelers (myself included) who preferred the scenic parkway to I-95 when going from NYC to other parts of New England and vice versa. New London makes sense as the main city between New Haven and Providence, at least from CT's perspective. Also, since the Wilbur Cross goes through New Haven itself, there probably isn't a need to sign it as such on the Milford Connector.
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
The smallest in population in Illinois would be Hennepin (pop. 707) as a primary control city for I-180.
IL has local cities on ramps. I'd say smallest for a 2di entrance ramp is Cairo IL on I-57, 1733 per 2020. Mainly just known for being junction of Ohio and Mississippi rivers.
For Chiswell in VA used in NC on I-77.
Delaware Water Gap, PA population 682 ( per Wikipedia).
Bear Mountain, NY ( No population as it is a peak) but used on US 6 and the Palisades Interstate Parkway.
Quote from: US20IL64 on July 08, 2023, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
The smallest in population in Illinois would be Hennepin (pop. 707) as a primary control city for I-180.
IL has local cities on ramps. I'd say smallest for a 2di entrance ramp is Cairo IL on I-57, 1733 per 2020. Mainly just known for being junction of Ohio and Mississippi rivers.
Well when you have a city that once was over 10k in rapid decline, that will happen.
Peak 1920 - 15,203
1950 - 12,123
1960 - 9348
1970 - 6277
1980 - 5931
1990 - 4846
2000 - 3632
2010 - 2831
It is possible that Cairo within our lifetime becomes a legit ghost town.
In MN, which also uses local cities on ramps, my guess is Jackson on I-90 (3,000), barely beating out Luverne, the next town over.
Quote from: JakeFromNewEngland on March 07, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
In Connecticut, the smallest control city I can think of is New London which has around 27K people. It's signed on I-95 east of New Haven, with Providence replacing in certain areas. Also along the Merritt Parkway, the Milford Connecter exit signs I-95's control city as New London instead of New Haven. I find this odd since New Haven would seem like a WAY better choice then a small city about 70 miles east of Milford.
Smallest one is Winsted on CT 8 (pop 7712). The expressway portion ends there, so it's a default control north of Torrington.
Wisconsin Dells, 2023 est population of 3722. Solely because it is a tourist destination.
For 2di in Ohio, most likely Lodi on I-76 WB from Akron, population 2754. Should really use Columbus as most I-76 WB traffic "default" onto I-71 SB past its western terminus.