I-44 has been decommissioned between the junctions with US 50. The milemarkers still read I-44 but the signage is simply for US 50. They still haven't taken all of the signs off of the intersecting roads, but most if not all of the I-44 signs have been removed. Another interstate with a gap in it....
Huh???? :???:
Other than an early April Fool, why on earth would this be done, and what good does it do?
Go to all the trouble to have an interstate across MO, that helped to decommission Route 66 officially, then decide later that part of it isn't necessary?
Is this solely a MODOT decision, or did the Feds have any input?
Sorry, if this is for real, it is a roadfan-shake-my-head moment right up there in the top 10.
Probably just idiocy by MOronDOT. I heard that part of I-35 north of KC was also decommissioned in favor of MO fucking 110 of all things.
Doesn't the FHWA AASHTO have to get involved in order for it to be decommissioned? Otherwise, it's still I-44, it merely becomes unsigned I-44. I don't know MoDOT's modus operandi, but three possibilities come to mind:
1) MoDOT decided, for some bizarre reason, that motorists only need to know about one of the highways they're on and picked US 50. :banghead:
2) You caught them in the middle of replacing signs.
3) A contractor screwed up.
It's possible that MOronDOT just took the I-44 signs down, but why? This is even stupider than AHTD not signing US highways along interstates. This has the potential to confuse the fuck out of out of staters.
It sounds like the I-35 designing along the overlap with MO-110 was merely the first such project to emphasize the non-Interstate end of a freeway cosigning. Will I-55 signage be dropped in Southeast Missouri where it shares pavement with US 61?
One thing is that the area mile markers all have I 44 shields on them, so that helps.
Quote from: corco on March 19, 2014, 10:36:10 AM
One thing is that the area mile markers all have I 44 shields on them, so that helps.
Yeah but they're tiny. My 40 year old eyes can read them, but I doubt an average 65 year old could make them out.
This is the same kind of crap they pulled when they "decommissioned" I-35 where concurrent with the CKC.
This is coming from the DOT that thinks the Death Diamond is a good idea.
Say it ain't so, Moe! (obviously using the pronunciation of the state abbreviation)
Well trolled, bugo.
I'm not kidding about the signs being removed. I should have gotten a picture.
I got some when I took 50 across the state on my way home, I'll post them tonight
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 19, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
This is the same kind of crap they pulled when they "decommissioned" I-35 where concurrent with the CKC.
I wouldn't say "Decommissioned", merely de-signed.
Probably because you know you are on I-44 (with the center ARTEMIS-type milemarkers) and MoDOT may be saving money by not posting an I-44 sign along with the US 50 sign. This is also done north of Kansas City along I-35 with MoDOT simply posting US 69 and MO 110. It seems that this is happening on concurrencies in Missouri. Will US 40 only be posted along I-70 throughout most of the state or will the new I-64 extension go back to what was old by posting only US 40/US 61? I sure hope not.
Personally, I do not like this. It is rather idiotic and tacky. It is just MoDOT using cost cutting measures. Usually, the concurrencies were posted on one sign anyway, so what is the big deal adding another shield and directional banner? Do they cost that much or is MoDOT nearly out of funds?
Quote from: US71 on March 19, 2014, 07:37:42 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 19, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
This is the same kind of crap they pulled when they "decommissioned" I-35 where concurrent with the CKC.
I wouldn't say "Decommissioned", merely de-signed.
There's a reason I put "quotes" around "decommissioned." Fire the "laser."
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 19, 2014, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 19, 2014, 07:37:42 PM
Quote from: Molandfreak on March 19, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
This is the same kind of crap they pulled when they "decommissioned" I-35 where concurrent with the CKC.
I wouldn't say "Decommissioned", merely de-signed.
There's a reason I put "quotes" around "decommissioned." Fire the "laser."
/It
had to be done.
How would taking down existing signs save money?
Quote from: bugo on March 20, 2014, 02:31:54 PM
How would taking down existing signs save money?
Two possible reasons:
1. They will reuse the signs in another part of the state.
2. They're wrong, and they think it will save them money because they're MOronDOT.
Quote from: bugo on March 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
I'm not kidding about the signs being removed. I should have gotten a picture.
It's true. I had driven that part of I-44 in Missouri during the St. Louis meet weekend and can vouch that a number of shield assemblies had US 50 shields standing alone, while the I-44 shields were not present.
An example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/13300026563/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/13300026563/)
Quote from: Dougtone on March 20, 2014, 10:06:13 PM
Quote from: bugo on March 19, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
I'm not kidding about the signs being removed. I should have gotten a picture.
It's true. I had driven that part of I-44 in Missouri during the St. Louis meet weekend and can vouch that a number of shield assemblies had US 50 shields standing alone, while the I-44 shields were not present.
An example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/13300026563/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/13300026563/)
Thanks for sharing that Doug. Here is how that assembly appeared in 2012: https://www.aaroads.com/midwest/missouri044/i-044_wb_exit_269_01.jpg
What pointless concept to remove the I-44 shields along that stretch.
Quote from: 1 on March 20, 2014, 02:39:05 PM
Quote from: bugo on March 20, 2014, 02:31:54 PM
How would taking down existing signs save money?
Two possible reasons:
1. They will reuse the signs in another part of the state.
2. They're wrong, and they think it will save them money because they're MOronDOT.
Oh good, now St Louis has both MOronDOT and IDiOT. :-D
Maybe they just had to borrow the I-44 signs to place on the extended I-44 segment downtown that was formerly I-70 after the new Stan Musial Veterans Memorial Bridge opened. I'm guessing they will replace the I-44 signs once they have more made.
^ I can't remember if all of the I-44/US 50 assemblies looked like this (https://www.aaroads.com/midwest/missouri044/i-044_wb_exit_269_01.jpg) or not, but if they did, they not only took down the I-44 shield to maybe be used somewhere else, but they also put up NEW white directional banners to match the US 50 shield. Why couldn't they have just created new I-44 shields?
This is very puzzling to me. The only thing I can think of is that maybe they will come back and post larger interstate shields on separate posts. I'm all for signing US route concurrencies with interstates, but dropping the interstate..I just don't understand.
I asked the MoDOT twitter account about this, and here is the response:
QuoteNew FHWA reqs. Now use markers shown in link for interstates. Removed shields to reduce clutter. http://epg.modot.mo.gov/index.php?title=903.9_General_Information_Signs#903.9.4_Emergency_Reference_Markers_.28D10-5.29
So they are saying that they are using the mile posts to show that the road is indeed I-44.
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 02, 2014, 10:26:06 AM
I asked the MoDOT twitter account about this, and here is the response:
QuoteNew FHWA reqs. Now use markers shown in link for interstates. Removed shields to reduce clutter. http://epg.modot.mo.gov/index.php?title=903.9_General_Information_Signs#903.9.4_Emergency_Reference_Markers_.28D10-5.29
So they are saying that they are using the mile posts to show that the road is indeed I-44.
Reduce clutter but strain eye sight...
I understand the intent but holy crap that is going to confuse people
I don't get it, honestly.
I asked whether this will happen on other interstates that have concurrent state or US routes, and this was the response:
QuoteIt's the new standard for all interstates. As we install new markers, we'll remove shields.
Here is a link (https://twitter.com/MoDOT_StLouis/status/451365324021981184) to the Twitter thread.
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 02, 2014, 10:38:23 AM
I don't get it, honestly.
I asked whether this will happen on other interstates that have concurrent state or US routes, and this was the response:
QuoteIt's the new standard for all interstates. As we install new markers, we'll remove shields.
Here is a link (https://twitter.com/MoDOT_StLouis/status/451365324021981184) to the Twitter thread.
Sure hope that policy stays confined to Missouri. Would hate to see it in play on NC's Interstates in places like Greensboro.
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 02, 2014, 10:38:23 AM
I don't get it, honestly.
I asked whether this will happen on other interstates that have concurrent state or US routes, and this was the response:
QuoteIt's the new standard for all interstates. As we install new markers, we'll remove shields.
Here is a link (https://twitter.com/MoDOT_StLouis/status/451365324021981184) to the Twitter thread.
That's fucked. When ISTHA added the mileposts with the shields, they were white on green and kept the reassurance shields. IDOT uses them in a few places, but keeps the reassurance shields. Even InDOT does so. MoDOT is showing their MoronDOT side here.
I kinda get it on routes with no concurrency, but on concurrent route you're now giving priority to a route Joe Passerthrough doesn't know exist, which is beyond stupid
So based upon this new found logic, does that mean all of the reassurance markers for I-49 posted on US 71 will now come down? Then you may as well have not even bothered upgrading it to I-49 if you are just going to post it solely as US 71.
Quote from: Alex on April 02, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
So based upon this new found logic, does that mean all of the reassurance markers for I-49 posted on US 71 will now come down? Then you may as well have not even bothered upgrading it to I-49 if you are just going to post it solely as US 71.
Would it not get more funding if designated as an Interstate, even if unsigned? Or do I completely not understand how this works?
I am pretty sure that this violates the MUTCD. Someone should point MoDOT to the relevant language.
Sorry, just had to...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6UN0u6O.png&hash=efb9ab7acd42e6452922883ad17ba908c18d7ed8)
Quote from: corco on March 19, 2014, 03:28:32 PM
I got some when I took 50 across the state on my way home, I'll post them tonight
Not trying to sound demanding in any way, so please don't take it that way. However, could you please post the pic(s) that you said you were going to of this. I'm dying to see.
The small shields on the milemarkers are hard enough for me to see, so they must be really hard for a person with poor eyesight to see. MoDOT are being moronic as usual.
I would love to see that on I-64, which in Missouri has been known by the locals as "Highway 40" from day one.
Quote from: kharvey10 on April 04, 2014, 11:24:41 PM
I would love to see that on I-64, which in Missouri has been known by the locals as "Highway 40" from day one.
I mentioned it in the I-244 April Fools joke, that I-64 in MO would have been much more believable
Just saw this thread. On my trip to Danville, Ill., to cover the local junior college basketball team at the national tournament, I drove up on Mo 110/Not I-35 and came back via U.S. 50/Not I-44.
I'm wondering how many drivers on each, especially on I-44, think they've turned the wrong way somewhere and think they're lost?
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 02, 2014, 10:38:23 AM
I don't get it, honestly.
I asked whether this will happen on other interstates that have concurrent state or US routes, and this was the response:
QuoteIt's the new standard for all interstates. As we install new markers, we'll remove shields.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Will this only apply to concurrencies? :confused:
Quote from: billtm on June 25, 2014, 10:15:15 PM
Will this only apply to concurrencies? :confused:
I was in St Louis a few weeks ago and the only place doing it is St Louis County. I found it interesting that 64 is still signed with US40, and so is I255 with US 50
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