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Title: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: myosh_tino on April 01, 2014, 01:47:33 AM
You know, when I came to the forums this evening and saw the changes made, my first reaction was WTF?!?!?  Then it dawned on me, tomorrow is April 1st...  :-D ...although it's still March 31st on the west coast.

If this is, in fact, an April Fools joke all I can say is "Well Done!"  :clap: :clap: :clap:

BTW, is the font supposed to be Clearview?
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: signalman on April 01, 2014, 01:54:38 AM
I noticed the font change too.  Initially, my reaction was WTF.  Generally I'm not a person who likes change for the sake of change.  I hadn't even considered that today is April Fool's Day; probably because I'm sick and trying to concentrate on keeping water down.  Figures, I would have to get sick on the one day where it's acceptable for me to play practical jokes.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: kj3400 on April 01, 2014, 02:17:06 AM
It's beautiful.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: ZLoth on April 01, 2014, 03:30:04 AM
Must be fourteen-fourteen day. Or is it fourty-one fourteen day?
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: KEK Inc. on April 01, 2014, 05:22:15 AM
Ah, the jokes.  Love it.  Well, hate the font, but you get what I mean. 
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 01, 2014, 06:20:34 AM
This font is horrendous to read!!!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Alps on April 01, 2014, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: myosh_tino on April 01, 2014, 01:47:33 AM
BTW, is the font supposed to be Clearview?
All I can say is, "well done!"
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: SSOWorld on April 01, 2014, 06:56:53 AM
Quote from: ZLoth on April 01, 2014, 03:30:04 AM
Must be fourteen-fourteen day. Or is it fourty-one fourteen day?
Quote from: KEK Inc. on April 01, 2014, 05:22:15 AM
Ah, the jokes.  Love it.  Well, hate the font, but you get what I mean. 
I have no idea what you're saying. ;)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Brandon on April 01, 2014, 07:07:59 AM
Barf: What the hell was that!

Lonestar: Spaceball One.

Barf: They've gone to Clearview.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Roadsguy on April 01, 2014, 08:13:43 AM
Well, now I have a reason for hating Clearview other than on principle. :-D
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: froggie on April 01, 2014, 08:18:32 AM
Wish SMF wouldn't change ALL users layouts to the new one when the mods add a new one...
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on April 01, 2014, 08:47:51 AM
Clearview! Clearview everywhere! :D

(https://i.imgflip.com/7g1q.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: sammi on April 01, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on April 01, 2014, 08:13:43 AM
Well, now I have a reason for hating Clearview other than on principle. :-D

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1383;type=avatar)
Your argument is invalid. :bigass:

To be honest, I don't hate the Clearview here;  but the bolded things are just bolded when it should probably be a different series. :) I also didn't notice anything until I logged in just now, because my phone renders it in Tahoma.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: jbnv on April 01, 2014, 09:28:54 AM
If this modification is intended to make a statement, congratulations, it does. (For the record, you are doing 4/1 right.)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Jardine on April 01, 2014, 09:35:18 AM
I love and don't love the change equally and unequally, except where it is forbidden and permitted, unless it is or isn't.


I'm going to go off and play 2048 Numberwang for a while . . . .
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Zeffy on April 01, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: sammi on April 01, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
To be honest, I don't hate the Clearview here;  but the bolded things are just bolded when it should probably be a different series. :) I also didn't notice anything until I logged in just now, because my phone renders it in Tahoma.

That's cheating - my iPhone rendered it in Clearview somehow.  :ded: 
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 01, 2014, 06:20:34 AM
This font is horrendous to read!!!
Quote from: KEK Inc. on April 01, 2014, 05:22:15 AM
Ah, the jokes.  Love it.  Well, hate the font, but you get what I mean. 
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Molandfreak on April 01, 2014, 11:03:07 AM
I won't read this forum anymore today. Too obnoxious!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: sammi on April 01, 2014, 11:04:42 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 01, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
Quote from: sammi on April 01, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
To be honest, I don't hate the Clearview here;  but the bolded things are just bolded when it should probably be a different series. :) I also didn't notice anything until I logged in just now, because my phone renders it in Tahoma.
That's cheating - my iPhone rendered it in Clearview somehow.  :ded:
I have a Windows Phone, and IE doesn't support the CSS technique that changed the fonts.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: bugo on April 01, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
Just like the signs, this is hard as fuck to read.  You did your joke, now change it back.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Zeffy on April 01, 2014, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 01, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
Just like the signs, this is hard as fuck to read.  You did your joke, now change it back.

SMF uses session verification for changing your theme, for who knows why, so please follow the steps below!

EDIT: Go to 'Look and Layout' in your profile. Then go to 'Change' next to current Theme: Button Copy 2.0 (Clearview). Then select [Use This Theme] on any other theme to leave the Clearview madness.

Sorry mods, it was making my eyes hurt trying to read the Clearview. I had to see if there were other themes available.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Molandfreak on April 01, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 01, 2014, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 01, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
Just like the signs, this is hard as fuck to read.  You did your joke, now change it back.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=theme;sa=pick;th=3;


EDIT: Go to 'Look and Layout' in your profile. Then go to 'Change' next to current Theme: Button Copy 2.0 (Clearview). Then select [Use This Theme] on any other theme to leave the Clearview madness.
Quote
Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Zeffy on April 01, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on April 01, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.

Go to https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=theme; and hit the 'Change' link next to Button Copy 2.0 (Clearview). The rest should be self-explanatory.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Molandfreak on April 01, 2014, 11:34:48 AM
Got it working. :cool:
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: myosh_tino on April 01, 2014, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: Zeffy on April 01, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
Go to https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=theme; and hit the 'Change' link next to Button Copy 2.0 (Clearview). The rest should be self-explanatory.

Thanks for the link Zeffy.

While I understand it's April Fools, the Clearview font made reading this forum very, very painful.  With that said, A+ for effort!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: PHLBOS on April 01, 2014, 12:16:31 PM
This is certainly one case where the Clearview font is not easy to read.

That said, well done w/the April Fool's joke.

Unless there's plans to keep this particular thread in the Clearview font come tomorrow; this whole topic will be rendered irrelevant by then.  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: getemngo on April 01, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Guys! Guys! The reason the forum Clearview is hard to read? It's a negative contrast violation!  :pan: :pan:
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: froggie on April 01, 2014, 08:18:32 AM
Wish SMF wouldn't change ALL users layouts to the new one when the mods add a new one...

That was the only way to set the joke up. About half of the people had manually specified Button Copy rather than the forum default, so there was no other way to inflict the font on them but to have the software change everyone to the new theme. And it wouldn't have been a good joke if only half of the people saw it and everyone else said "I don't see anything different..."

If you simply can't stand it and want an early reprieve from Clearview, go to Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout and select the Button Copy 2.0 theme. (And in the future, if any masochist wants to change back to Clearview after April 1, you can select Button Copy (Clearview) to get it back.)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
(And in the future, if any masochist wants to change back to Clearview after April 1, you can select Button Copy (Clearview) to get it back.)

And for that reason, I added back in the forum logo for that theme. ;)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Thing 342 on April 01, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
Initially, I had thought that some of my system fonts had leaked into the site (as sometimes happen with older sites), but well done!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: sammi on April 01, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
(And in the future, if any masochist wants to change back to Clearview after April 1, you can select Button Copy (Clearview) to get it back.)

And for that reason, I added back in the forum logo for that theme. ;)

It would be great if you could use a Clearview version of the logo instead for the Clearview theme. I mean, the slogan is already in Clearview anyway. :spin:

(On the other hand, I don't know what button copy Clearview looks like. :/)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: jbnv on April 01, 2014, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: getemngo on April 01, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Guys! Guys! The reason the forum Clearview is hard to read? It's a negative contrast violation!  :pan: :pan:
This is true. The positive-contrast disclaimer at the bottom is much more legible.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Brandon on April 01, 2014, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
If you simply can't stand it and want an early reprieve from Clearview, go to Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout and select the Button Copy 2.0 theme. (And in the future, if any masochist wants to change back to Clearview after April 1, you can select Button Copy (Clearview) to get it back.)

As I have already done.  Wish I could do that for my state (Illinois).
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: xcellntbuy on April 01, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 01, 2014, 06:20:34 AM
This font is horrendous to read!!!
I will second that.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: sammi on April 01, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
(And in the future, if any masochist wants to change back to Clearview after April 1, you can select Button Copy (Clearview) to get it back.)

And for that reason, I added back in the forum logo for that theme. ;)

It would be great if you could use a Clearview version of the logo instead for the Clearview theme. I mean, the slogan is already in Clearview anyway. :spin:

(On the other hand, I don't know what button copy Clearview looks like. :/)

I made one, but it might have gotten lost in the upload.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: getemngo on April 01, 2014, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on April 01, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 01, 2014, 06:20:34 AM
This font is horrendous to read!!!
I will second that.

Clearview's not meant for long paragraphs of text. If the whole forums were in Highway Gothic, it would be equally hard to read, with the bonus of us being stuck in the 1950s, everything being way too bold, and having ugly lowercase g's. :happy:
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: sammi on April 01, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
(And in the future, if any masochist wants to change back to Clearview after April 1, you can select Button Copy (Clearview) to get it back.)

And for that reason, I added back in the forum logo for that theme. ;)

It would be great if you could use a Clearview version of the logo instead for the Clearview theme. I mean, the slogan is already in Clearview anyway. :spin:

(On the other hand, I don't know what button copy Clearview looks like. :/)

I made one, but it might have gotten lost in the upload.

Found and fixed the theme to add it. ;)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: CrystalWalrein on April 01, 2014, 09:14:27 PM
Actually, Terminal Design does have a variant of Clearview for applications other than signage (ClearviewText), which AT&T picked up for a while. Someone should have put together some money for that; it would have pissed off the anti-Clearview crowd even more that it's used in pamphlets!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: codyg1985 on April 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
At least y'all didn't turn the site pink like on another forum I visit.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: WNYroadgeek on April 01, 2014, 10:08:27 PM
Clearly this is AlanDOT's doing.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: US71 on April 01, 2014, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
At least y'all didn't turn the site pink like on another forum I visit.

Making a note of that for next year :p
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 01, 2014, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
At least y'all didn't turn the site pink like on another forum I visit.

Making a note of that for next year :p

Got the color code stored and ready for next year. :P lol. :bigass:
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Alps on April 01, 2014, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
At least y'all didn't turn the site pink like on another forum I visit.
I voted for "F0BB80" orange.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: US71 on April 01, 2014, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
Quote from: US71 on April 01, 2014, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
At least y'all didn't turn the site pink like on another forum I visit.

Making a note of that for next year :p

Got the color code stored and ready for next year. :P lol. :bigass:

Make it  fluorescent pink

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.chiefsupply.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fimage%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2F3%2F0%2F3000xp36pkesa_pink.jpg&hash=2400c4030b81e80b6cf7b762b80c304f43e286e1)
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: signalman on April 02, 2014, 02:29:01 AM
Okay, it's officially April 2.  Can we please have the old font back now?  I love reading this forum, but my eyes are bleeding!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: getemngo on April 02, 2014, 02:41:19 AM
Quote from: signalman on April 02, 2014, 02:29:01 AM
Okay, it's officially April 2.  Can we please have the old font back now?  I love reading this forum, but my eyes are bleeding!

Profile -> Modify Profile -> Look and Layout -> Current Theme -> Change.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: signalman on April 02, 2014, 03:04:43 AM
Quote from: getemngo on April 02, 2014, 02:41:19 AM
Quote from: signalman on April 02, 2014, 02:29:01 AM
Okay, it's officially April 2.  Can we please have the old font back now?  I love reading this forum, but my eyes are bleeding!

Profile -> Modify Profile -> Look and Layout -> Current Theme -> Change.
Thanks for the tip.  I was willing to put up with it for April Fool's Day, plus I wasn't feeling well, so I was a bit lazy.  However, now I'm going to manually change it.  I'm feeling better today and am highly annoyed by the font.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: Scott5114 on April 02, 2014, 04:18:25 AM
Aaaand we're back to normal. Sorry to whoever that one guy is who likes the SMF default white and blue theme, I had to set everyone to the Button Copy theme to make the Clearview go away!
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: froggie on April 02, 2014, 07:23:55 AM
QuoteSorry to whoever that one guy is who likes the SMF default white and blue theme, I had to set everyone to the Button Copy theme to make the Clearview go away!

Ahem...that was me...the default is much easier on my eyes than ANY of your button copy options.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: hbelkins on April 02, 2014, 10:35:48 AM
Oddly enough, I didn't even notice that the April Fools font was Clearview. I just noticed that it was different.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: PHLBOS on April 02, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on April 01, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
At least y'all didn't turn the site pink like on another forum I visit.
Was the fore-mentioned forum in question an aviation-based one?  I know of one that did such (for April 1) several years ago.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: getemngo on April 02, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
Now that the default has been switched back, there's exactly one person using the Clearview theme. I'm a Clearview fan and that's hilarious.
Title: Re: Forum Fonts?!?!?
Post by: vtk on April 02, 2014, 09:27:52 PM
I didn't realize the font change was a joke until it changed back.  I like it.  This morning when I saw it had gone back, I switched to the Clearview theme.

Caveat: I use a stylesheet override to add 1px interletter spacing and 2px word spacing to everything on this site – that's been in place for quite a while already.  I think the Clearview would probably look worse without it.

I do wonder about the faux-bold that's going on here.  It's not too bad, but it might (or might not) look better if it used an actual bolder Clearview font.  We could add the following to the stylesheet:
@font-face {
    font-family: 'Clearview';
    src: url('roadgeek_2005_series_4b-webfont.eot');
    src: url('roadgeek_2005_series_4b-webfont.eot?#iefix') format('embedded-opentype'),
         url('roadgeek_2005_series_4b-webfont.woff') format('woff'),
         url('roadgeek_2005_series_4b-webfont.ttf') format('truetype'),
         url('roadgeek_2005_series_4b-webfont.svg#roadgeek_2005_series_4bRg') format('svg');
    font-weight: bold;
    font-style: normal;

}

This would make bold text appear in Clearview 4B.  Of course, the site would have to provide 4B in the necessary formats as it does 4W.  I tried something similar with my own stylesheet override, but my local Roadgeek 4B didn't render as nicely, probably due to the difference in how Firefox renders SVG vs TTF fonts.

And if there's any desire to make the Clearview theme useable for more people, maybe consider adopting my letter-spacing and word-spacing adjustments as mentioned above.