Driving in Tennessee last weekend, I noticed that TDOT does not use the No Passing Zone pennant on its roads. That's something I also noticed in California as well. So far, I have come up with a very short list of states using them (on the DOT level - counties and municipalities may vary):
No pennants, relies solely on paint:
Tennessee
Missouri
Oklahoma
Louisiana
Texas
North Dakota
Washington
Montana
Colorado
Nevada
Washington
Oregon
Idaho
Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
California
Hawaii
Pennants:
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Wisconsin
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania*
Wyoming
Arizona
Utah
Pennants with "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Michigan
New Mexico
Sometimes uses signage, sometimes does not:
Arkansas
*Uses the other signage as noted in a comment below.
Personally, I prefer the pennants with the extra signage as in Michigan - makes the zones easier to see in the snow, rain, and when the paint fades.
OK, as I've been rooting around on Google Maps Street View, I've been able to add and modify my post.
New Jersey uses the pennants. I think they are on mostly county roads though, like this one on CR 514:
http://goo.gl/maps/Xs90M
Based on my observations over the years, I'd say that Massachusetts is about 70/30 - 70% of no passing zones don't use the pennant, while 30% of them do. And, where used, a pennant always supplements a regular "DO NOT PASS" sign.
ODOT used to use NO PASSING ZONE pennants, but they seem to be gone now. I also remember frequently seeing UNMARKED NO PASSING ZONES when crack sealing operations had obscured the yellow stripes.
Pennsylvania uses NO PASSING ZONE pennants, too–I can't guarantee it's absolutely 100% of the time, but close to it. Pennants are usually followed by DO NOT PASS signs, which PennDOT is also infamous for repeating on many rural roads through long no passing zones.
Quote from: Zeffy on April 03, 2014, 01:13:52 PM
New Jersey uses the pennants. I think they are on mostly county roads though, like this one on CR 514:
http://goo.gl/maps/Xs90M
I would say NJ rarely uses pennents. And in this example, it's not used properly. Pennents are used where the No Passing zone begins, not in the middle of it. It's quite possible there used to be a passing zone up to this area, judging by the white spray paint. Since the entire area is now a no-passing zone, the sign should be removed.
When the pennents are used, they seem to be used without rhyme or reason. The vast majority (over 99%) of passing zones don't have them.
They're quite rare in Florida...this one along Snake Road (with its 19 "artificial" curves) is one of the few I've seen in the state.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FCR833nCurveRoad-NoPassingSign.jpg&hash=839b0ccc8948c7d5269f273b81c65965541644d8)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FCR833nBigCypressSeminoleSign.jpg&hash=3ac57b6e90281444325f85a275516e4b4ca6a5d1)
Can't recall any in Alabama or Georgia, either.
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Driving in Tennessee last weekend, I noticed that TDOT does not use the No Passing Zone pennant on its roads. That's something I also noticed in California as well. So far, I have come up with a very short list of states using them (on the DOT level - counties and municipalities may vary):
No pennants, relies solely on paint:
California
Tennessee
The No Passing Zone pennants are very rare in California (I want to say I've seen them but I'm not 100% sure) but the black-on-white DO NOT PASS (R4-1) signs are used pretty extensively.
I feel like I've seen a DO NOT PASS in CA on a yellow background. same rectangular form factor as the white.
I've definitely seen PASS WITH CARE on both white and yellow backgrounds.
I have also seen the pennants here and there. I feel like there's one on CA-36 coming down the hill westbound from Chester, and then maybe on 395 up in Susanville? the reason CA's have stuck out is that they have Series EM text.
Kentucky transitioned from the black-on-white "DO NOT PASS" and "PASS WITH CARE" signs to the black-on-yellow "NO PASSING ZONE" pennants sometime in the 1970s, about the same time we started using retroreflective sheeting, but I don't remember the exact year.
Kentucky also marked the beginning of passing zones by placing three little round white reflectors on a small post on the right side of the road. That practice is not in use quite as much nowadays but you can still find those markers. I don't think their purpose was ever explained, but I figured it out easily enough when I put their location with the start of the painted stripe passing zone's beginning together.
I personally like the black-on-white signs better than the pennants.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 03, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
sometime in the 1970s, about the same time we started using retroreflective sheeting
I think KY has used retroreflective sheeting since the 50s. I've seen an embossed shield with reflective sheeting and I believe it's an early 50s retrofit.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 03, 2014, 02:13:43 PMI have also seen the pennants here and there. I feel like there's one on CA-36 coming down the hill westbound from Chester, and then maybe on 395 up in Susanville? the reason CA's have stuck out is that they have Series EM text.
South Dakota (which uses the pennant extensively) has a similarly nonstandard design, with (if memory serves) "NO" in Series E Modified. I don't think California has its own spec for the pennant anymore--none is listed on the specs download page (http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/signtech/signdel/specs.htm).
Edit: In my experience, there is also state-to-state variation in how intersection no-passing zones are treated. Some states stripe, while others don't. Some of the states that stripe also sign, while others stripe only.
Quote from: myosh_tino on April 03, 2014, 02:02:28 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Driving in Tennessee last weekend, I noticed that TDOT does not use the No Passing Zone pennant on its roads. That's something I also noticed in California as well. So far, I have come up with a very short list of states using them (on the DOT level - counties and municipalities may vary):
No pennants, relies solely on paint:
California
Tennessee
The No Passing Zone pennants are very rare in California (I want to say I've seen them but I'm not 100% sure) but the black-on-white DO NOT PASS (R4-1) signs are used pretty extensively.
Come to think of it, I did see those on the two-lanes out there. It was neighboring Nevada that had nothing but paint.
Quote from: formulanone on April 03, 2014, 01:58:05 PM
Can't recall any in Alabama or Georgia, either.
They are rare in GA, but do exist, mainly in a 2-lane undivided to 4-lane divided transition area, but sign placement is often erroneous there. For a project i was working on in that case, i had a heated argument with a project manager who insisted that the pennant went on the right side of the road. :no: :pan:
I'm a big fan of the pennants because a car overtaking another car is more likely to see a sign on the left side of the road. It's kind of an archaic shape (pointing to the right side so that you move over?) and should probably be regulatory instead of warning, but it certainly gets your attention.
In Michigan, if there's one lane in the direction of travel but two lanes in the opposing direction, a passing zone still ends with the NO PASSING ZONE/DO NOT PASS combo, but a passing zone will begin with either this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.338598,-85.746704,3a,32.3y,252.13h,85.66t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sVgfacH_oY96FH5q-cUjD6Q!2e0), or one of these:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_eIARuH0-x4Y%2FSeUS5PNHs2I%2FAAAAAAAAAqo%2FEpKrKZaw7mY%2Fs400%2Fdont%2Bpass.jpg&hash=c12874bf9b08a9d91267e5fdb5354d5dfd5629fa)
They are rare in Texas, but have been used in US 380 W of Denton.
There were none when I worked for TxDOT, but my boss told me that there used to be some on US 380 W of Denton , but they had been removed. Oddly, after I quit TxDOT, some new ones were installed on this section of road. It is now under construction, so I don't know if they are there or not.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.232406,-97.226429&spn=0.000072,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=33.232392,-97.22623&panoid=NEL0TfxvdL-2nTzDlHP2wA&cbp=12,94.76,,0,13.13 (https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.232406,-97.226429&spn=0.000072,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=33.232392,-97.22623&panoid=NEL0TfxvdL-2nTzDlHP2wA&cbp=12,94.76,,0,13.13)
^^ From what I can see, the pennant is a symbol sign. A big-ass arrow pointing you back toward the right side of the road.
Quote from: Brian556 on April 03, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
They are rare in Texas, but have been used in US 380 W of Denton.
There were none when I worked for TxDOT, but my boss told me that there used to be some on US 380 W of Denton , but they had been removed. Oddly, after I quit TxDOT, some new ones were installed on this section of road. It is now under construction, so I don't know if they are there or not.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.232406,-97.226429&spn=0.000072,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=33.232392,-97.22623&panoid=NEL0TfxvdL-2nTzDlHP2wA&cbp=12,94.76,,0,13.13 (https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.232406,-97.226429&spn=0.000072,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=33.232392,-97.22623&panoid=NEL0TfxvdL-2nTzDlHP2wA&cbp=12,94.76,,0,13.13)
OK, then maybe I need a category of "Uses them some times, and not at others"?
Also, one thing I've noticed, is that these states which do not typically use the pennants are also the same states that typically do not use reflectors mounted on posts on the right side of a freeway (side-marker reflectors)
Quote from: getemngo on April 03, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_eIARuH0-x4Y%2FSeUS5PNHs2I%2FAAAAAAAAAqo%2FEpKrKZaw7mY%2Fs400%2Fdont%2Bpass.jpg&hash=c12874bf9b08a9d91267e5fdb5354d5dfd5629fa)
is this a current-spec sign? looks to use Michigan custom fonts and the verbiage is something found in the 1930s-60s in many other states.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 03, 2014, 04:53:08 PM
is this a current-spec sign? looks to use Michigan custom fonts and the verbiage is something found in the 1930s-60s in many other states.
Hmm, that's a good question. It appears that it's not in the current Michigan MUTCD, but I was still seeing them all over the state less than 5 years ago. Since MDOT tends to replace signs on a 20 year basis, that suggests they were still being posted into the early 1990s.
I know I've seen similar signs in another state in just the last year or two, but I honestly can't remember which one.
Quote from: getemngo on April 03, 2014, 05:08:42 PMHmm, that's a good question. It appears that it's not in the current Michigan MUTCD, but I was still seeing them all over the state less than 5 years ago. Since MDOT tends to replace signs on a 20 year basis, that suggests they were still being posted into the early 1990s.
They aren't in the 1994 Michigan MUTCD either. I don't know if it was that edition that phased them out.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 03, 2014, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 03, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
sometime in the 1970s, about the same time we started using retroreflective sheeting
I think KY has used retroreflective sheeting since the 50s. I've seen an embossed shield with reflective sheeting and I believe it's an early 50s retrofit.
I'm talking about the honeycomb stuff that's prone to peeling off.
As far as the honeycomb (high-intensity) sheeting goes, I'm wondering if the stuff produced when this sheeting type first came out was more prone to peeling than the same type of sheeting produced at a later date. I remember a crossbuck in my hometown that was peeling badly in the 80's that had this type of sheeting.
However, most of the signs in Lewisville are high intensity, and are now well over 10, in some cases 16 years old, and not a one is peeling.
Quote from: roadman on April 03, 2014, 01:18:30 PM
Based on my observations over the years, I'd say that Massachusetts is about 70/30 - 70% of no passing zones don't use the pennant, while 30% of them do. And, where used, a pennant always supplements a regular "DO NOT PASS" sign.
I remember seeing a decent number of the pennants while living in Massachusetts, but it may depend on the region. I thought of US 1 in Topsfield right away when this came up. Numerous passing zones, usually but not always with pennants and accompanying DO NOT PASS (http://goo.gl/maps/LF8zL) signs. Some have just white signs. Much older NO PASSING white signs, in the old font, lasted into the 80s maybe in decent numbers but are very rare anymore.
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Arkansas sometimes uses these signs.
Quote from: bugo on April 04, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Arkansas sometimes uses these signs.
As does Texas, normally in construction areas where there is no striping. Sometimes these signs get left up after the work is completed.
I remember seeing pennants on US 1 in Florida on the way to Key West.
Quote from: bugo on April 04, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Arkansas sometimes uses these signs.
Pennants are rare in Arkansas.
Do Not Pass signs are common,
Pass with Care are less common. IIRC, Illinois uses the pennants to supplement
Do Not Pass which are commonly followed by
Pass With Care
Quote from: US71 on April 04, 2014, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 04, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Arkansas sometimes uses these signs.
Pennants are rare in Arkansas. Do Not Pass signs are common, Pass with Care are less common. IIRC, Illinois uses the pennants to supplement Do Not Pass which are commonly followed by Pass With Care
Do Not Pass and Pass With Care are very rare for IDOT, at least in Districts 1 through 6. They are, however, common on some county highways (Will, for example, uses them).
Washington uses "No passing zone" pennants, but not all the time, only when there's an apparent reason to provide additional reminders, such as where they've had head on collisions or something. I'll update this post once I remember where they hide.
Quote from: PurdueBill on April 03, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Much older NO PASSING white signs, in the old font, lasted into the 80s maybe in decent numbers but are very rare anymore.
Essex County, which comprised the original MassDPW District 5, remained largely stuck in the dark ages when it came to warning and regulatory signs on state maintained highways well into the 1980s. Once the county became part of District 4 instead as part of the 1992 MassHighway district reorganization, most of those outdated signs were replaced fairly quickly. However, to this day, some of the old signing still remains in places.
I was born in 1973, and I vaguely remember an era when the pennants did not exist yet in Kentucky. Back then, we had the DO NOT PASS/PASS WITH CARE signs. Sometimes I'll see DO NOT PASS/PASS WITH CARE in another state, and I'll say, "What is this? The '70s?"
It seems like Kentucky switched to the pennants around the same time it started using the wider shields for 3 or 4 digit route numbers.
Quote from: US71 on April 04, 2014, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 04, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Arkansas sometimes uses these signs.
Pennants are rare in Arkansas. Do Not Pass signs are common, Pass with Care are less common. IIRC, Illinois uses the pennants to supplement Do Not Pass which are commonly followed by Pass With Care
They're all over US 59-270 from the Oklahoma line to Acorn. This is the only Arkansas highway I travel very often, so I don't know about other area roads.
Quote from: roadman on April 04, 2014, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: PurdueBill on April 03, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Much older NO PASSING white signs, in the old font, lasted into the 80s maybe in decent numbers but are very rare anymore.
Essex County, which comprised the original MassDPW District 5, remained largely stuck in the dark ages when it came to warning and regulatory signs on state maintained highways well into the 1980s. Once the county became part of District 4 instead as part of the 1992 MassHighway district reorganization, most of those outdated signs were replaced fairly quickly. However, to this day, some of the old signing still remains in places.
That's where I grew up....I recall lots of old signs, especially in places like Topsfield on US 1, back then. If only I were old enough to drive myself around then and had gotten pictures....
Steve's MA 40 page has an example of an old NO PASSING sign in the old DPW style. Not many of those left out there anymore.
Now that I think about it, PASS WITH CARE probably shouldn't be in regulatory colors and/or shouldn't be phrased that way. Unless of course the pass maneuver is compulsory.
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Driving in Tennessee last weekend, I noticed that TDOT does not use the No Passing Zone pennant on its roads. That's something I also noticed in California as well. So far, I have come up with a very short list of states using them (on the DOT level - counties and municipalities may vary):
No pennants, relies solely on paint:
<...>
Nevada
Although I am not aware of the existence of any pennants currently, I have seen them in the past in areas I believe NDOT wanted to call extra attention to the painted lines.
Where I can recall seeing them was on one or two sections of Alt US 50 between Fallon and Fernley in the early 2000s. This was a busy two-lane section where you might be stuck behind some trucks or a long line for some time, and I think the pennants were used in sections that tended to have more passing accidents or greater likelihood of non-compliance with the painted double yellow lines. The pennants were accompanied by both the "do not pass" and "pass with care" signs. That stretch of Alt 50 was slowly upgraded two divided highway in the mid-2000s, and I haven't seen any pennants in Nevada since then.
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Driving in Tennessee last weekend, I noticed that TDOT does not use the No Passing Zone pennant on its roads. That's something I also noticed in California as well. So far, I have come up with a very short list of states using them (on the DOT level - counties and municipalities may vary):
...
Pennants:
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Wisconsin
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania*
Wyoming
Arizona
Utah
Add Minnesota to this list. Mn/DOT is very good about using the pennant. And it's a larger version than usually used, making it even easier to see.
Looks like Maryland uses black on white DO NOT PASS and PASS WITH CARE along with the NO PASSING ZONE pennant. I cannot think of any local roads with them though, off hand. I know quite a few with just pavement marking.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRGUnPwT.png&hash=66c646ef7edb0a8d5794dad5e61a0d47b4c19d59)
Quote from: Road Hog on April 04, 2014, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: bugo on April 04, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, uses "Do Not Pass" and "Pass With Care" signage:
Arkansas sometimes uses these signs.
As does Texas, normally in construction areas where there is no striping. Sometimes these signs get left up after the work is completed.
I remember seeing a few PASS WITH CARE signs in the 1970s and maybe into the 1980s in a few places around TX. Not as much now, unless in the case of Road Hog's post, when new paving is finished but not yet striped.
For a short while somewhere in TX, the early 1980s I think, there were some pennants I saw used. Maybe they were a tryout, or drivers didn't get the hang of them; could have also been the district(s) that did have them thought it was too much to fool with. By the mid-late 1980s I didn't see any more. The only other place I've seen them was in IA.
QuotePennsylvania uses NO PASSING ZONE pennants, too–I can't guarantee it's absolutely 100% of the time, but close to it.
It's definitely not 100% of the time. In my (mostly eastern PA) experience, I'd go so far as to say they're uncommon. Not rare, but not normal either.
Yep, the pennant has been standard in Wisconsin for as long as I can remember (now with fluorescent yellow sheeting), however I have seen the regulatory DO NOT PASS and PASS WITH CARE sprinkled about the state (mainly in the SE region, Milwaukee and Waukesha counties especially).
I'm a little surprised to see any snow-belt states rely solely on paint.
Quote from: DaBigE on April 05, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
Yep, the pennant has been standard in Wisconsin for as long as I can remember (now with fluorescent yellow sheeting), however I have seen the regulatory DO NOT PASS and PASS WITH CARE sprinkled about the state (mainly in the SE region, Milwaukee and Waukesha counties especially).
I'm a little surprised to see any snow-belt states rely solely on paint.
The DO NOT PASS and PASS WITH CARE signs were standard in WI until the early 1980s.
In addition to the pennants, Indiana uses three small round white reflectors above eye level instead of the pass with care signs at the start of a passing zone. I did not see any of those when I was in Ky this morning.
Louisiana uses the pennant regularly as well as DO NOT PASS/PASS WITH CARE signs.
Quote from: froggie on April 05, 2014, 07:17:06 PM
QuotePennsylvania uses NO PASSING ZONE pennants, too–I can't guarantee it's absolutely 100% of the time, but close to it.
It's definitely not 100% of the time. In my (mostly eastern PA) experience, I'd go so far as to say they're uncommon. Not rare, but not normal either.
They're generally pretty infrequent in SW PA, too. It seems like I see them more in NW and northern PA. They tend to be more common along major through routes.
Louisiana DOES use the NO PASSING ZONE pennant very regularly.
http://goo.gl/maps/Vl36A
http://goo.gl/maps/kJwS3
http://goo.gl/maps/36UB1
http://goo.gl/maps/0tCPP
In addition to using them in tandem with DO NOT PASS, Michigan will also use the NO PASSING ZONE with yellow diamond curve and intersection warnings.
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
Driving in Tennessee last weekend, I noticed that TDOT does not use the No Passing Zone pennant on its roads. That's something I also noticed in California as well. So far, I have come up with a very short list of states using them (on the DOT level - counties and municipalities may vary):
...
Pennants:
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Wisconsin
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania*
Wyoming
Arizona
Utah
Rhode Island also uses them, sporadically. For instance, on one section of RI 2 near me, there were several passing zones in a mile where RIDOT uses the pennant at the end of every passing zone in each direction (I counted about 8 of them both sides within a mile of road). The next mile down the road, again several passing zones, no pennants at all. Most of the pennants look pretty old and faded, so something tells me RIDOT really isn't bothering to replace them when they taken out or stolen.
I've also seen sections of road where there was no passing zone change (solid yellows the whole way) yet there was a random pennant, makes me believe there was once a passing zone, but they took it out (painted solids) and never took down the sign.
Quote from: Brandon on April 03, 2014, 01:04:34 PM
No pennants, relies solely on paint:
Tennessee
Missouri
IIRC, Missouri did have the pennants on the two lane section of US 61 between the spur to US 136 and the freeway section near Canton before that section was upgraded and widened - I think it may have been due to safety issues on that section.
I also recall Missouri having little arrow signs along their roads to indicate the change from passing to no passing for the striping crews. I don't believe those signs are installed anymore.
Going back to the OP, I'd annotate that Mississippi doesn't use them under normal circumstances, but they will use the pennant plus "DO NOT PASS" and "PASS WITH CARE" signs during construction projects involving repaving.
I don't think I've ever seen a "NO PASSING ZONE" pennant anywhere in Maine.
I've seen both pennants and "DO NOT PASS" in Connecticut. I believe that generally the former are newer while the latter are older.
New York uses pennants.
Quote from: jake on April 04, 2014, 07:02:04 PM
Washington uses "No passing zone" pennants, but not all the time, only when there's an apparent reason to provide additional reminders, such as where they've had head on collisions or something. I'll update this post once I remember where they hide.
Rather than update (because no one will see it), I found a "No Passing" penant in Washington.
SR 162 near Orting (http://goo.gl/IpM9sY)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FW0si1A0.png&hash=17549ed80359f0fda3aa83e34cdf824e8b7c03e4)
There was also
this one (http://goo.gl/MHVMCL) near Spanaway on SR 7
QuoteNew York uses pennants.
Only VERY RARELY. Traveled across Upstate from Niagara to Rouses a few days ago, mostly on 2-lane roads. Can count the number of pennants I saw on one hand.
Oregon is wrong. I think you confused ODOT with Ohio's ODOT with vtk's post.
US-101 (Credit: AARoads)
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/oregon100/us-101_sb_app_c_lookout_jct.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/oregon100/us-101_sb_enter_lincln_city.jpg)
US-97
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/oregon097/us-097_nb_app_or-62_01.jpg)
I could swear I've seen No Passing Zone pennants in Oregon, but if they exist, they're so fucking rare. I spent 20 minutes on Google Maps trying to find one and can't find one.
Yeah, I often say ODOT forgetting there's more than one. My bad. Although Ohio was the original O.
Also, to clarify: I'm pretty sure current practice in Ohio is (and has been for a couple decades) to use stripes only. While I remember regularly seeing a pennant when I was a kid, there's a good chance it was the same pennant every time.
Virginia uses the pennants on some roads. I passed a good number of them this past Friday on US-301 between Bowling Green and the Richmond suburbs, including one instance where they were on the wrong sides of the road (I'll post a screenshot when I find that particular dashcam clip). But Virginia doesn't use them on all roads where passing is permitted and I couldn't tell you how they decide when to use them and when not to do so.
Edited to add: Here it is. Going through the videos to find this reminded me that the use of the pennants was inconsistent even on this road. Some of the no passing zones had them, some didn't. Weird. I had not been on this particular portion of Route 301 since July 1985 (that time was a Boy Scout trip heading from Kings Dominion up to Fort A.P. Hill for the jamboree), so I have no idea what the sign status has been over the years.
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In North Carolina, the pennants are present when you take the vision/sign test to renew your drivers license. However, beyond that, they are exceedingly rare finds on North Carolina highways. Most spotted are old, as they seemed to be added during the disco '70s; but newer signs also exist, like this one along NC 38, south of Hamlet; it also had a white "no passing" sign on right (which are typically used as well as "pass with care" signs), my guess that this passing zone had some bad history and NCDOT wanted to reinforce the passing zone end there.
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In South Carolina, they have never used pennants. They also typically use the white "no passing" or "pass with care" signs.
I've seen quite a few pennants on Los Angeles County roadways. San Francisquito Canyon Road, Soledad Canyon Road, and Sierra Highway come to mind.
I don't think NJDOT uses any signage, but Atlantic County definitely uses a combination of pennants and 'DO NOT PASS' signage. Brigantine has several 'DO NOT PASS' signs installed by the city on the main thoroughfares.
N.Y.S. does use all 3 signs, but sparingly. Of the 5000+ locations on my last few sign contracts, the total of all of them was less than a dozen new ones. The one very unfortunate installation of "DO NOT PASS" & "PASS WITH CARE" was at a location where a kid a couple houses on one side of my property killed a lady a couple houses on the other side of my property, and she wound up dying in the front lawn of her parents' house.
The correct location for the pennants is on the left side of the road, as that's where a driver would be if he was passing at the beginning of a no passing zone. This particular arrangement was a common question on permit tests, and might still be.
I don't believe they are mandated by WSDOT, but some counties do post them when they have a surplus sign budget. There are a couple in Skagit and Island counties, but usually only when the status of a road as changed to prevent passing. I remember them being very common at one time, but alas, they have disappeared, and instead we get Watershed signs, speed limit signs, and ugly neon-green signs everywhere.
Quote from: DaBigE on April 05, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
Yep, the pennant has been standard in Wisconsin for as long as I can remember (now with fluorescent yellow sheeting), however I have seen the regulatory DO NOT PASS and PASS WITH CARE sprinkled about the state (mainly in the SE region, Milwaukee and Waukesha counties especially).
The NW Region uses them sporadicly as well. Pepin, Pierce, and Dunn counties seem to be where the majority of them are up here.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on April 13, 2014, 08:39:07 AM
I could swear I've seen No Passing Zone pennants in Oregon, but if they exist, they're so fucking rare. I spent 20 minutes on Google Maps trying to find one and can't find one.
The only pennants I recall seeing are at the Bridge of the Gods - one on the Oregon side and one on the Washington side.
Quote from: cjk374 on April 06, 2014, 09:05:28 AM
Louisiana uses the pennant regularly as well as DO NOT PASS/PASS WITH CARE signs.
Frequently, but not consistently. I recall seeing lots of them on the old US 90 and LA 1 between Morgan City(*) and Golden Meadow when I was young. I'm tempted to say that there is one somewhere out here in central Tangipahoa Parish, but I can't tell you exactly where. Perhaps we use them only on primary highways.
I'm tempted to say there may be one in the scene in
Easy Rider where they cross the bridge east of Morgan City. I definitely recall there being pennants on that stretch of the highway and particularly at that curve.
Quote from: Duke87 on April 09, 2014, 11:34:19 PM
I've seen both pennants and "DO NOT PASS" in Connecticut. I believe that generally the former are newer while the latter are older.
New York uses pennants.
DO NOT PASS signs go back to the wood era of STC signage.....
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But from wayyy back at least in the 40-50s into the early 70's they also used "NO PASSING" like this one (Mike Summa collection)...
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Quote from: KEK Inc. on April 13, 2014, 08:39:07 AM
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Anyone see "SPEED 45" on that one?
Also another image used the pennant on the wrong side of the road.
There are a few in Alabama, but they are steadily disappearing.
I've also seen "Do Not Pass" signs here in Huntsville.
Quote from: andy on April 06, 2014, 01:10:53 AM
In addition to the pennants, Indiana uses three small round white reflectors above eye level instead of the pass with care signs at the start of a passing zone. I did not see any of those when I was in Ky this morning.
Indiana used the regulatory "DO NOT PASS" signs along with the pennants until the mid 1980s when they quickly began to disappear. A handful of them are still posted along turnback routes, like Old SR 37 in northern Johnson County. "PASS WITH CARE" signs were used occasionally, too - SR 37 between 46th St and 75th St in Indianapolis had them prior to be being widened in 1976. For the most part, the three white reflectors have been the norm here.
As a kid living in Wisconsin and Minnesota in the early 1970s, both once used the "DO NOT PASS" sign, but removed them in the 1980s. Minnesota did not use the "PASS WITH CARE" sign as I recall, while Wisconsin did.
North Carolina also uses combinations of all three in some isolated cases. For example, "DO NOT PASS" and "PASS WITH CARE" signs were used along the 3-lane portion of US-19/23 between Clyde and Enka-Candler, while "NO PASSING ZONE" signs were used along NC 16 between Newton and Denver.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 05, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
Virginia uses the pennants on some roads. I passed a good number of them this past Friday on US-301 between Bowling Green and the Richmond suburbs, including one instance where they were on the wrong sides of the road (I'll post a screenshot when I find that particular dashcam clip). But Virginia doesn't use them on all roads where passing is permitted and I couldn't tell you how they decide when to use them and when not to do so.
It seems to be by county. Prince George definitely uses them, but I can't think of ever seeing any in any of the other counties around me.
I'm curious when the yellow "NO PASSING ZONE" pennant first appeared. This YouTube video shows it in Iowa in 1960 (first appearance at the 1:05 mark).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MD_WuK1b8E
Many State driver's manuals and maps only begin to show it in the early 1970's concurrent with the introduction of warning and regulatory signs with picture depiction instead of words.
A bit parochial, but I think it's interesting that Kankakee County, IL uses "No Passing Zone" pennants AND "Do not pass" rectangular signs in tandem at the start of every no passing zone on all of their county roads. I'm going to go ahead and call that downright excessive. Here's an example https://goo.gl/maps/fMT2gc7v7932
Quote from: paulthemapguy on January 25, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
A bit parochial, but I think it's interesting that Kankakee County, IL uses "No Passing Zone" pennants AND "Do not pass" rectangular signs in tandem at the start of every no passing zone on all of their county roads. I'm going to go ahead and call that downright excessive. Here's an example https://goo.gl/maps/fMT2gc7v7932
Not only that, but it looks like the County also uses the larger sized pennant on two posts like IDOT (and also MnDOT) utilizes on State highways. Indiana, like many other States, prefers a smaller version on a single post.